1) Yeah, you have to own a Neuros first to even develop this.
2) Yeah, you could look at this like Neuros is changing contract pay to a prize.
But...
A) No one said you personally must participate -and- the neuros community has alot of developers. This was targetted as a bonus for existing Neuros owners who develop, not to try and snooker a bunch of non-Neuros-owning people. Face it, it got put on/. "Developers", so it gets about 1% the traffic of a normal post, its not exactly a marketing coup.
B) Which is better... a developer doing this on their own (which likely would have happened eventually assuming Neuros users care about podcasting) for nothing or have the company say "hey, while you're doing all this free stuff, try this and if it works we'll pay ya for it"?
NOTE: Yes, I own a Neuros (had 2 until one was stolen) and yes I know the owners of Digital Innovations which created the Neuros and when I had the time I was even helping them start to open source parts of the Neuros. However, I don't use my Neuros right now (when the other got stolen they got my upgraded drive and both sync cables and... well.. I'm procastinating because I'm still pissed). I have never worked for DI nor have I developed anything for it (I'm thinking of getting back into it, but my SqueezeBox is also a tempting hack target). Point is... I know the product and the company. Those who don't shouldn't make comments about things they don't know about.
It really doesn't make that big of a difference for mine.
I've used the old Sharp ROM, Sharp 3.x, and OpenZaurus of many flavors and none of them every gets -more- than 2 hours with WiFi or 4 hours without.
Add on to that that you won't find a 5500 with a battery that is less than 18 months old unless you buy a replacement battery and he would probably get significantly less than that.
If he needs double-digit hours there is not a 5500 in the world that will come to even 50% of what he needs.
And using OpenZaurus with MultiSync -does- allow Linux support. MultiSync replaces the (crappy) trolltech desktop app for Sync and also syncs to Evolution... making an nice solution with some fiddling.
Me? I gave up on PDAs completely, but I work from home and only travel a bit.
Agreed. I do OS comparisons for work alot and have always wanted to do a real OSX comparison but haven't been able to justify the cost of even an iMac. A headless $500 box would allow me to plug it in to my KVM and is less than the cost of Windows + Office XP (retail, which is what I have to expense). This would be a no-brainer.
I have a Win2K box that I use for occasional gaming. I keep it patched. I keep stable video drivers on it (ie, usually a version or two behind but not older than that) and I don't have any malware on it.
I still get a crash every few weeks, usually in a game but not always, that can bluescreen the system.
It may be a driver (not an app) causing it, but that doesn't change the fact that my 2 other non-Windows systems keep orders of magnitude better uptimes.
I know, I just didn't want to get called out for being ridiculous by folks who don't believe people can game that much. That is why I said the cost per hour was conservative.
In truth, I know a number of "extreme power player" folks who will probably rack up 15+ hours per day for every day next week except Christmas and possibly New Year's Eve. Easily 75-80 hours. But those are in the far extreme and probably have far less overall effect than the "standard power player".
As a fun little "oh crap" exercise I timed how much ADOM I played this week before finishing it for the first time and I am putting in about 45 hours. Ugh.
It is one thing to for a person or three finish a project out of love without expecting a reward. Key words "a project".
It is FAR different for a company to expect that level of work in a non-ceasing manner from their entire dev staff, knowing full well that it destroys mental and social health.
Not to mention the difference in stress level when you're volunteering that level of effort versus being chided in the hopes of squeezing out even more.
I've worked in both situations. One is a suite kind of pain, the other is an intense kind of anguish.
But many people (like myself and another on this thread) use PayPal for a floating Ebay account. No cost to me (in fact, I make a little interest on it since I went for the investment account). Lets me drop the random dollar here and there pretty easily.
I don't think anyone is going to find fault in not doing this if you don't already have a PayPal account.
Honestly, though I did send my $1, I don't see this getting much attention as the "Developer" section on/. is about the most dead topic... as noted by the whopping 12 or so responses after an hour or two.
If the list was proprietary / internal / confidential / whatever-your-company-calls-it and you steal it, then you have stolen the list. The law wouldn't be worried about the individual addresses but rather the list in total. Especially if said list has commercial value (which it obviously does).
I could definitely see this as corporate espionage. Overall I would say the defendant is getting off pretty easy.
"If your in Europe"... so take the most common currency in Europe. The Euro would be about.74 to the Dollar (that's U.S. dollar for you picky Australians) today.
Exactly... while sad that this type of forethought is not common-place today it will be at some point. It is not Yahoo!'s fault and honestly, I wouldn't want their policy to be any different. They made it clear that if the family had had the password it would not be a problem.
The FCC is part of government, it inherits the responsibility of the government it belongs to and was created by.
You can not create a governmental institution and then have it go against the root purpose of the government (well, yes you can, but that doesn't make it correct or in our case constitutional).
As for making all airwaves private property, while I don't disagree with that idea (the FCC would still be needed to make sure frequencies don't stomp on each other and possible regulate monopolies though I dislike that), that doesn't address the niggling point on this thread.
Why? Because the satellite providers are still using regulated (and I believe most often leased) spectrum. The difference is in that they use a subscription model and/or proprietary equipment to get around being regulated. If it is purely because these services are on AM/FM/VHF/UHF/HDTV that would be different, but the way the decisions read it seems that if you encrypt and then require a subscription (one of the uses that has been discussed for the HDTV partial freqs has been for data services) then the FCC say "oh, ok".
The FCC isn't being clear about the who/what/why/how of content regulation. They are being just vague enough to make all of the satellite folks wonder if they will get yanked later.
Based on your "tyranny of inoffensiveness" comment I think we agree on the core principles of where the market should be allowed to go and this is rambling, so I'll drop it.
Why? Because the FCC is a government entity and was created to protect and serve the people.
I, and many people with the same opinions, am one of those people.
Then realize that you're talking about an organization that has moved from managing the technical usage of an assett used by non-governmental private companies to managing the content that is distributed over said asset.
In other words, the FCC is no longer acting in what I see as a proper method for a governmental entity, it is acting as a super corporation and improperly influencing the actions of the private market.
If you insist on not seeing it any other way, then consider this the voice of a shareholder (I pay taxes and vote) speaking out against company policies.
If you think the analogy is flawed... I agree... but it is not my fault that the FCC has tried to move into the realm of business controls.
Yeah, I know. Having travelled to Norway, the UK and Ireland I am familiar with how weird U.S. television policies have become.
Interestingly to me, while there was more sexuality on overseas there were less crime dramas and less violence overall in those areas. I know which of the two I would rather a developing mind see.
Except I have to pay for those services... I am talking about the current advertising-only supported media doing the same thing but providing the service for free (obviously they would do so with equipment that they can protect from something like my lovely TiVo).
I am not fishing for South Park movies or PBS tasteful nudes. If I want to see such things I'll find them online or at the video store.
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People are complaining about this off the bat.
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/. "Developers", so it gets about 1% the traffic of a normal post, its not exactly a marketing coup.
... a developer doing this on their own (which likely would have happened eventually assuming Neuros users care about podcasting) for nothing or have the company say "hey, while you're doing all this free stuff, try this and if it works we'll pay ya for it"?
... well .. I'm procastinating because I'm still pissed). I have never worked for DI nor have I developed anything for it (I'm thinking of getting back into it, but my SqueezeBox is also a tempting hack target). Point is ... I know the product and the company. Those who don't shouldn't make comments about things they don't know about.
1) Yeah, you have to own a Neuros first to even develop this.
2) Yeah, you could look at this like Neuros is changing contract pay to a prize.
But
A) No one said you personally must participate -and- the neuros community has alot of developers. This was targetted as a bonus for existing Neuros owners who develop, not to try and snooker a bunch of non-Neuros-owning people. Face it, it got put on
B) Which is better
NOTE: Yes, I own a Neuros (had 2 until one was stolen) and yes I know the owners of Digital Innovations which created the Neuros and when I had the time I was even helping them start to open source parts of the Neuros. However, I don't use my Neuros right now (when the other got stolen they got my upgraded drive and both sync cables and
/. is now using cell technology to deliver news.
It really doesn't make that big of a difference for mine.
... making an nice solution with some fiddling.
I've used the old Sharp ROM, Sharp 3.x, and OpenZaurus of many flavors and none of them every gets -more- than 2 hours with WiFi or 4 hours without.
Add on to that that you won't find a 5500 with a battery that is less than 18 months old unless you buy a replacement battery and he would probably get significantly less than that.
If he needs double-digit hours there is not a 5500 in the world that will come to even 50% of what he needs.
And using OpenZaurus with MultiSync -does- allow Linux support. MultiSync replaces the (crappy) trolltech desktop app for Sync and also syncs to Evolution
Me? I gave up on PDAs completely, but I work from home and only travel a bit.
At least put your ads in banners.
/." when people complain about threadvertising, but this is a new and blatant low.
I usually say "but this is
Not just advertising ... they were in CompUSA stores in November as well.
Is editorializing necessary on every darn news story?
Unfortunately it is or the article will get ignored by the folks who approve submissions.
I think you mean leave -in- every 9th word or so.
Agreed. I do OS comparisons for work alot and have always wanted to do a real OSX comparison but haven't been able to justify the cost of even an iMac. A headless $500 box would allow me to plug it in to my KVM and is less than the cost of Windows + Office XP (retail, which is what I have to expense). This would be a no-brainer.
And that is still common enough.
I have a Win2K box that I use for occasional gaming. I keep it patched. I keep stable video drivers on it (ie, usually a version or two behind but not older than that) and I don't have any malware on it.
I still get a crash every few weeks, usually in a game but not always, that can bluescreen the system.
It may be a driver (not an app) causing it, but that doesn't change the fact that my 2 other non-Windows systems keep orders of magnitude better uptimes.
Believe me, going from Georgia (or in my case Alabama for a few years) to -real- snow is a major event.
... but only as Mason-Dixon line levels :)
I haven't seen my yard in 2 months and probably won't for another 3-4. Snow is nice
I know, I just didn't want to get called out for being ridiculous by folks who don't believe people can game that much. That is why I said the cost per hour was conservative.
In truth, I know a number of "extreme power player" folks who will probably rack up 15+ hours per day for every day next week except Christmas and possibly New Year's Eve. Easily 75-80 hours. But those are in the far extreme and probably have far less overall effect than the "standard power player".
As a fun little "oh crap" exercise I timed how much ADOM I played this week before finishing it for the first time and I am putting in about 45 hours. Ugh.
I have a phonetic memory with good spelling. Makes for some weird typos.
No, because anyone who wants to stop developing open source can stop. It won't affect their family or their livelihood.
It is not ironic at all. And some of us donate to projects we use and/or work in a professional capacity that helps support the open source community.
Phooey.
It is one thing to for a person or three finish a project out of love without expecting a reward. Key words "a project".
It is FAR different for a company to expect that level of work in a non-ceasing manner from their entire dev staff, knowing full well that it destroys mental and social health.
Not to mention the difference in stress level when you're volunteering that level of effort versus being chided in the hopes of squeezing out even more.
I've worked in both situations. One is a suite kind of pain, the other is an intense kind of anguish.
But many people (like myself and another on this thread) use PayPal for a floating Ebay account. No cost to me (in fact, I make a little interest on it since I went for the investment account). Lets me drop the random dollar here and there pretty easily.
/. is about the most dead topic ... as noted by the whopping 12 or so responses after an hour or two.
I don't think anyone is going to find fault in not doing this if you don't already have a PayPal account.
Honestly, though I did send my $1, I don't see this getting much attention as the "Developer" section on
If the list was proprietary / internal / confidential / whatever-your-company-calls-it and you steal it, then you have stolen the list. The law wouldn't be worried about the individual addresses but rather the list in total. Especially if said list has commercial value (which it obviously does).
I could definitely see this as corporate espionage. Overall I would say the defendant is getting off pretty easy.
"If your in Europe" ... so take the most common currency in Europe. The Euro would be about .74 to the Dollar (that's U.S. dollar for you picky Australians) today.
And something tells me you knew what they meant.
Exactly ... while sad that this type of forethought is not common-place today it will be at some point. It is not Yahoo!'s fault and honestly, I wouldn't want their policy to be any different. They made it clear that if the family had had the password it would not be a problem.
We tried that in the 70's ... notice how well it worked out?
The FCC is part of government, it inherits the responsibility of the government it belongs to and was created by.
You can not create a governmental institution and then have it go against the root purpose of the government (well, yes you can, but that doesn't make it correct or in our case constitutional).
As for making all airwaves private property, while I don't disagree with that idea (the FCC would still be needed to make sure frequencies don't stomp on each other and possible regulate monopolies though I dislike that), that doesn't address the niggling point on this thread.
Why? Because the satellite providers are still using regulated (and I believe most often leased) spectrum. The difference is in that they use a subscription model and/or proprietary equipment to get around being regulated. If it is purely because these services are on AM/FM/VHF/UHF/HDTV that would be different, but the way the decisions read it seems that if you encrypt and then require a subscription (one of the uses that has been discussed for the HDTV partial freqs has been for data services) then the FCC say "oh, ok".
The FCC isn't being clear about the who/what/why/how of content regulation. They are being just vague enough to make all of the satellite folks wonder if they will get yanked later.
Based on your "tyranny of inoffensiveness" comment I think we agree on the core principles of where the market should be allowed to go and this is rambling, so I'll drop it.
"IREFOX" ... I like it ... screams for the Firefox logo salivating as if rabid. Another name change anyone?
I would counter with the fact that so few people being able to cause such a stink and so much monetary and social damage is a debacle.
I don't say that it was the fault of Jackson that it happened, but it was a debacle and it was attached to her name.
No, my argument is well within the point.
... I agree ... but it is not my fault that the FCC has tried to move into the realm of business controls.
Why? Because the FCC is a government entity and was created to protect and serve the people.
I, and many people with the same opinions, am one of those people.
Then realize that you're talking about an organization that has moved from managing the technical usage of an assett used by non-governmental private companies to managing the content that is distributed over said asset.
In other words, the FCC is no longer acting in what I see as a proper method for a governmental entity, it is acting as a super corporation and improperly influencing the actions of the private market.
If you insist on not seeing it any other way, then consider this the voice of a shareholder (I pay taxes and vote) speaking out against company policies.
If you think the analogy is flawed
Yeah, I know. Having travelled to Norway, the UK and Ireland I am familiar with how weird U.S. television policies have become.
Interestingly to me, while there was more sexuality on overseas there were less crime dramas and less violence overall in those areas. I know which of the two I would rather a developing mind see.
Except I have to pay for those services ... I am talking about the current advertising-only supported media doing the same thing but providing the service for free (obviously they would do so with equipment that they can protect from something like my lovely TiVo).
I am not fishing for South Park movies or PBS tasteful nudes. If I want to see such things I'll find them online or at the video store.