Yes, we complained about backwards compatibility. Then intel came out and did a fucking horrible implemtnation of hp's work (ia53 simply being parisc 3.0). That said, amd has an exceptionally well implemented core and a fairly sane extension of x86. and they/have/ dropped a lot of cruft. Go learn about x86-64.
But MSDN showed us a VB IE startup fix that does the same thing [microsoft.com
Excellent! It's built in to almost all the unix browsers from the get go. Good show microsoft, meeting your customers needs!
* But I can get that many themes for XP, and plus I actually know how to change the backgrounds and icons in Windows myself. YOu haven't shown me how to do that yet with Linux. This frickin' sucks.
Fantastic! You've caught up with Unix which has been doing this since at/least/ 1995. Welcome to the 90's!!
* But I can do the same thing with Windows telnet, or better, Windows terminal services since I can actually see what I am doing. And I know DOS; BAT files are cool.
Excellent! and a malicous user, or l33t haq0r can sniff your password over the line. Key thing here about ssh, it's secure and it forwards X connections easily. Try not having a direct IP connection to your windows box, watch it fail. SSH handles NAT and other situations with grace.
* Uh, yeah, we use the Services admin panel and Add/Remove programs for that. For server only installations, we just don't hook a monitor up.
Yet another cop out. You/can/ do this, but it simply doesn't work that well, nor do you have the flexability of a pure command line enviornment.
* But if I only want Windows on my system, why do I care? If I could access the Linux partitions it would be like having FAT32 partitions on an NT machine... pretty pointless.
You've never worked in a large IT shop before, obviously. Or if you have, you were one of the bottom of the heirarchy tech bitches.
* Yeah, when services go down in Windows, it still starts up fine and you just look in the system log. If a driver goes down, I just restart in safe mode, removed the device, and everything is fine. No big deal. Who needs a scanner on a server anyway? It looks like if I do this Linux thing I have to go through all these damned scripts to figure out what went wrong... and where's the safe mode? If I screw up the scripts, it looks like my machine is hosed.
Excellent! So when my videocard fucks up I can fart around in safe mode instead of having my database server continue to provide access for employee's. Excellent! So while my videocard is broken, my company has to stop work altogether. What a deal!
Yeah... uh, we do that. Where's the network neighborhood icon?
Well, you are an MCSE so you should know how to find that stuff without a pretty icon. You're supposed to be well trained after all.
We do that with Windows terminal services like we said. You really should conserve some network bandwidth and just go sit down at the machine though. Wait a sec... did he say "fat pipe?" Huh huh...
Wait, you just got terminal services a few years ago. we had the same shit since 1984. Thanks for playing, please come again! Besides, sometimes remote X helps if you're not on the same content and you really want to use X on that system. like using remote X to do a presentation to three contenents.
If we want to install a new version of msvcxxrt.dll without restarting the box, I just close all the apps that are using it and then copy the new DLL into place. It's not that difficult. It breaks a bunch of stuff though, but I bet this glibc messes things up too. What are you doing monkeying with the kernel? That doesn't need updating, it's the frickin' kernel. If it's broken, we get a reinstall going while we go to lunch. Huh... fat pipes are cool.
You're too cute. Maybe you should think about taking a 3 year college program or something, you might have a clue about what you speak about then.
Format string errors? That's C. No, C++ in the webserver will bring you the joys of doing template code instantiation on every single page lookup! Fun for the whole family!
Quite simple. Companies have money. When you have money you can make anything you want illegal. If you've played your cards right once you've made things illegal you're the only source for some product or service, or at least one of the few sources. It's a dangerous spiral that makes sure the rich keep on getting richer. Mind you, it does end at some point with the companies back being broken under it's own weight.
Yeah, they're called overlays. We've used'em for a while. Apart from that many people use function
pointers to load code into an executable at runtime.
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Why a fat connection? To make it cheaper for the sceners of course.:-)
I'm not there, but I *was* planning on doing a demoparty tour next summer as a trip with some friends. I'm Canadian and it costs to go to europe. So if I go to a demoparty it had better fucking well be worth my time. If I want to watch people run around and shoot people I can stay home and stay in observer mode in these videogames.
dreamhack is a DEMO party. For art, not for playing retarded videogames all night. It's
for hacking out that great 4k intro with the full
first level from decent. Or faking that multiple light source "phong" with a picture of your mate holding a coke can. Not for playing videogames.
I wish people would grab a clue. Gamerlamers used to get chastized or beat up for going to demoparties, sadly this isn't the case anymore.
I doubt i'll even bother ever going to asm if this is what they have become. There's no thrill in watching some dorks play videogames. There *is* a thrill in seeing the latest wizzbang effects on the screen and figuring out for yourself just how they worked so you can do that plus more in your next demo.
Indeed, I actually just found a BBS listing of mine from '98 which had at least 15 active bbs's on it. Speaking of which, is anyone from victoria interested in reviving a small BBS? ssh/telnet on a Linux system, naturally. I was thinking small close nit sort of thing like dark side, vortex, tigers or such...
Or even just getting a bunch of the old bbs people/sysops together for an oldstyle meet.
sshack at cln.etc.bc.ca
if anyone is interested.
I agree with you. Have a look inside a NeXT cube, not one single jumper, anywhere. I've got a '040 board in there, a cubedigital IO and a sound aquisition board. peecee's are toys. Engineers need to start saying no to marketing and ship products and specs when they're ready. Not a second before.
I'll take the $20. Because it is a slippery slope. Have a look at the article earlier today about.uk.
To be honest you are a fool, you are willing to give up some security and privacy for "safety" you deserve no security and no privacy at all. You are part of the problem, In fact i'd go so far as to label you a sheep or a mark.
Fantastic, you've got 3 months uptime on your small webserver in the corner of your bedroom. Now go run win2k on a production database server with 20,000 transactions an hour. You can't do that. I have, and those systems have been up since 97. They're due for their ups's being replaced soon.
This will be the first downtime these machines have EVER seen. Microsoft cannot claim this of any of it's product.
FYI the systems are custom built Dual PII-300 systems running debian 2.1 and a 2.0 kernel.
Go have a look at HP's systems. Their graphics hardware far outperforms apple, suns and sgi's stuff. Their chips are also quite fast, though I do not have numbers handy at the moment.
This is trollbait, but i'll bite regardless.
On your point with respect to detecting hardware, "Any OS should be able to automatically detect hardware", have you ever considered even for a second that not all hardware cannot be reliably detected? Yes, that's right, that isa ne2k card that you plugged in your computer 5 minutes ago might just hang your system. Go ahead windows find my hardware right now for me.
My mother recently got a computer, it has NT 5 on it. She comes across things she HATES about windows on a regular basis, she likes some of the things my unix system at home has. She has never owned a computer until recently. Your argument about unix (you mentioned linux specifically) as being 2 parts gui and 500 parts command line, this is rather a moot point considering windows is very similar if you want the same functionality as a unix system. You also
seemed to have entirely ignored OS-X and NeXTstep (on which I am typing this now).
In short, you should probably go back. Erase all your preconceptions and bias and then look again. Short term and then again long term.
In the short term perhaps windows will win. But long term windows has no fucking chance.
Fantastic. Now we have cards like the soundblaster 64 taking over. This is instead of the fantastic sound quality and effects the GF1 (Gus) could produce.
Me. I keep my financial records on my computer.
I don't want someoen wandering up, sitting down at my computer and seeing "oh hey he's got 8K in bt stock." or "oh hey. I can read his love letters with his girlfriend." Almost everyone has something worth encrypting. As almost everyone makes money, pays taxes, etc. If you would lock it up in a filing cabinet then you should encrypt it on disk.
Yes this has happened. Accusys, a taiwanese company distributed binary only copies for redhat/suse disks patched with a driver for their raid controller they make. When asked for the source code they produced source not under the gpl and tainted with code from intel and wind river systems. The intel/wind river stuff was i2o code which should not have been used in the first place. Why reinvent the wheel when they can use 2.3's stuff?
Troll. The reason windows has these often used audio api's is marketing nothing but. The Gravis ultrasound from way back in the early 90's had 32hardware channels and was supported for windows and linux equally well. As far as needing "....a good way to get huge amounts of data and commands to the sound cards" well you certainly shouldn't be looking at soundblaster cards. Again the GUS did this right in the early 90's where you would load the card with the samples you needed and then trigger the samples when you wanted to play them. An interrupt would be triggered when a channel was done playing. ( You could also have samples loop, decay, etc) and all this had full support in windows AND Linux. In short go away troll; or at least read up before you speak.
SGI released the B1 stuff a long time ago. I've had a copy from cvs on my system for months now. It's interesting code. But uh... K&R C? I'll leave you to form your own ideas.
I've spoken with Mathew once on the phone while talking about things not related to this. He won't have any representation at the hearing because apparently if he _does_ have any representation then that might stretch the jurisdiction or him to suddenly be under the jurisdiction of american law. I don't know how this exactly works. But hey. I'm rooting for Mathew. Great coder, really nice person and he's getting screwed over. Not only that but mattel has(had it's gone now) a chance to make it's corporate image really shine.
The Ppro and higher arches have the normal 32bit memory limit. but also have the 4 extra adressing bits. This leads to one problem though. Applications have to have specific support for the extra addressing. Large database programs have such. It's really a kludge and not worth it at all . But then again if you are silly enough to try to deal with that sort of thing you're probably running NT and not a unix system where you can change hardware arch's at a whim.
No. Because x86 systems are notorius for lacking registers. Because of the lack of registers the memory bandwidth that they do have is severly limited. Used for storing things to temporary memory addresses that on risc systems you could just use a spare register. Aside risc workstations/servers happen to have better memory bandwidth/throughput. I could go on for quite a while but I won't. The original posting was fud. Ignore it. If it even has a glimmer of truth to it which I doubt it does i'd say that there's a reason behind it. Perhaps you should look at an actual real world test. e-commerce seems to be all the rage these days. Lets benchmark that and see who wins. Myself i've worked with hpux just a little (Working with the parisc-linux guys) it's nasty to work with from a user perspective. But I think solaris has a good chance of kicking nt2k's ass.
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Yes, we complained about backwards compatibility. Then intel came out and did a fucking horrible implemtnation of hp's work (ia53 simply being parisc 3.0). That said, amd has an exceptionally well implemented core and a fairly sane extension of x86. and they /have/ dropped a lot of cruft. Go learn about x86-64.
But MSDN showed us a VB IE startup fix that does the same thing [microsoft.com
/least/ 1995. Welcome to the 90's!!
/can/ do this, but it simply doesn't work that well, nor do you have the flexability of a pure command line enviornment.
Excellent! It's built in to almost all the unix browsers from the get go. Good show microsoft, meeting your customers needs!
* But I can get that many themes for XP, and plus I actually know how to change the backgrounds and icons in Windows myself. YOu haven't shown me how to do that yet with Linux. This frickin' sucks.
Fantastic! You've caught up with Unix which has been doing this since at
* But I can do the same thing with Windows telnet, or better, Windows terminal services since I can actually see what I am doing. And I know DOS; BAT files are cool.
Excellent! and a malicous user, or l33t haq0r can sniff your password over the line. Key thing here about ssh, it's secure and it forwards X connections easily. Try not having a direct IP connection to your windows box, watch it fail. SSH handles NAT and other situations with grace.
* Uh, yeah, we use the Services admin panel and Add/Remove programs for that. For server only installations, we just don't hook a monitor up.
Yet another cop out. You
* But if I only want Windows on my system, why do I care? If I could access the Linux partitions it would be like having FAT32 partitions on an NT machine... pretty pointless.
You've never worked in a large IT shop before, obviously. Or if you have, you were one of the bottom of the heirarchy tech bitches.
* Yeah, when services go down in Windows, it still starts up fine and you just look in the system log. If a driver goes down, I just restart in safe mode, removed the device, and everything is fine. No big deal. Who needs a scanner on a server anyway? It looks like if I do this Linux thing I have to go through all these damned scripts to figure out what went wrong... and where's the safe mode? If I screw up the scripts, it looks like my machine is hosed.
Excellent! So when my videocard fucks up I can fart around in safe mode instead of having my database server continue to provide access for employee's. Excellent! So while my videocard is broken, my company has to stop work altogether. What a deal!
Yeah... uh, we do that. Where's the network neighborhood icon?
Well, you are an MCSE so you should know how to find that stuff without a pretty icon. You're supposed to be well trained after all.
We do that with Windows terminal services like we said. You really should conserve some network bandwidth and just go sit down at the machine though. Wait a sec... did he say "fat pipe?" Huh huh...
Wait, you just got terminal services a few years ago. we had the same shit since 1984. Thanks for playing, please come again! Besides, sometimes remote X helps if you're not on the same content and you really want to use X on that system.
like using remote X to do a presentation to three contenents.
If we want to install a new version of msvcxxrt.dll without restarting the box, I just close all the apps that are using it and then copy the new DLL into place. It's not that difficult. It breaks a bunch of stuff though, but I bet this glibc messes things up too. What are you doing monkeying with the kernel? That doesn't need updating, it's the frickin' kernel. If it's broken, we get a reinstall going while we go to lunch. Huh... fat pipes are cool.
You're too cute. Maybe you should think about taking a 3 year college program or something, you might have a clue about what you speak about then.
Format string errors? That's C. No, C++ in the webserver will bring you the joys of doing template code instantiation on every single page lookup! Fun for the whole family!
Quite simple. Companies have money. When you have money you can make anything you want illegal. If you've played your cards right once you've made things illegal you're the only source for some product or service, or at least one of the few sources. It's a dangerous spiral that makes sure the rich keep on getting richer. Mind you, it does end at some point with the companies back being broken under it's own weight.
Yeah, they're called overlays. We've used'em for a while. Apart from that many people use function
pointers to load code into an executable at runtime.
Why a fat connection? To make it cheaper for the sceners of course. :-)
I'm not there, but I *was* planning on doing a demoparty tour next summer as a trip with some friends. I'm Canadian and it costs to go to europe. So if I go to a demoparty it had better fucking well be worth my time. If I want to watch people run around and shoot people I can stay home and stay in observer mode in these videogames.
dreamhack is a DEMO party. For art, not for playing retarded videogames all night. It's
for hacking out that great 4k intro with the full
first level from decent. Or faking that multiple light source "phong" with a picture of your mate holding a coke can. Not for playing videogames.
I wish people would grab a clue. Gamerlamers used to get chastized or beat up for going to demoparties, sadly this isn't the case anymore.
I doubt i'll even bother ever going to asm if this is what they have become. There's no thrill in watching some dorks play videogames. There *is* a thrill in seeing the latest wizzbang effects on the screen and figuring out for yourself just how they worked so you can do that plus more in your next demo.
Indeed, I actually just found a BBS listing of mine from '98 which had at least 15 active bbs's on it. Speaking of which, is anyone from victoria interested in reviving a small BBS? ssh/telnet on a Linux system, naturally. I was thinking small close nit sort of thing like dark side, vortex, tigers or such... Or even just getting a bunch of the old bbs people/sysops together for an oldstyle meet. sshack at cln.etc.bc.ca if anyone is interested.
I agree with you. Have a look inside a NeXT cube, not one single jumper, anywhere. I've got a '040 board in there, a cubedigital IO and a sound aquisition board. peecee's are toys. Engineers need to start saying no to marketing and ship products and specs when they're ready. Not a second before.
I'll take the $20. Because it is a slippery slope. Have a look at the article earlier today about .uk.
To be honest you are a fool, you are willing to give up some security and privacy for "safety" you deserve no security and no privacy at all. You are part of the problem, In fact i'd go so far as to label you a sheep or a mark.
Fantastic, you've got 3 months uptime on your small webserver in the corner of your bedroom. Now go run win2k on a production database server with 20,000 transactions an hour. You can't do that. I have, and those systems have been up since 97. They're due for their ups's being replaced soon.
This will be the first downtime these machines have EVER seen. Microsoft cannot claim this of any of it's product.
FYI the systems are custom built Dual PII-300 systems running debian 2.1 and a 2.0 kernel.
Go have a look at HP's systems. Their graphics hardware far outperforms apple, suns and sgi's stuff. Their chips are also quite fast, though I do not have numbers handy at the moment.
This is trollbait, but i'll bite regardless.
On your point with respect to detecting hardware, "Any OS should be able to automatically detect hardware", have you ever considered even for a second that not all hardware cannot be reliably detected? Yes, that's right, that isa ne2k card that you plugged in your computer 5 minutes ago might just hang your system. Go ahead windows find my hardware right now for me.
My mother recently got a computer, it has NT 5 on it. She comes across things she HATES about windows on a regular basis, she likes some of the things my unix system at home has. She has never owned a computer until recently. Your argument about unix (you mentioned linux specifically) as being 2 parts gui and 500 parts command line, this is rather a moot point considering windows is very similar if you want the same functionality as a unix system. You also
seemed to have entirely ignored OS-X and NeXTstep (on which I am typing this now).
In short, you should probably go back. Erase all your preconceptions and bias and then look again. Short term and then again long term.
In the short term perhaps windows will win. But long term windows has no fucking chance.
Fantastic. Now we have cards like the soundblaster 64 taking over. This is instead of the fantastic sound quality and effects the GF1 (Gus) could produce.
Me. I keep my financial records on my computer. I don't want someoen wandering up, sitting down at my computer and seeing "oh hey he's got 8K in bt stock." or "oh hey. I can read his love letters with his girlfriend." Almost everyone has something worth encrypting. As almost everyone makes money, pays taxes, etc. If you would lock it up in a filing cabinet then you should encrypt it on disk.
Yes this has happened. Accusys, a taiwanese company distributed binary only copies for redhat/suse disks patched with a driver for their raid controller they make. When asked for the source code they produced source not under the gpl and tainted with code from intel and wind river systems. The intel/wind river stuff was i2o code which should not have been used in the first place. Why reinvent the wheel when they can use 2.3's stuff?
Troll. The reason windows has these often used audio api's is marketing nothing but. The Gravis ultrasound from way back in the early 90's had 32hardware channels and was supported for windows and linux equally well. As far as needing " ....a good way to get huge amounts of data and commands to the sound cards" well you certainly shouldn't be looking at soundblaster cards. Again the GUS did this right in the early 90's where you would load the card with the samples you needed and then trigger the samples when you wanted to play them. An interrupt would be triggered when a channel was done playing. ( You could also have samples loop, decay, etc) and all this had full support in windows AND Linux. In short go away troll; or at least read up before you speak.
Was the PSX SDK that this guy wrote GPL'ed? If it was I hope someone has a copy of it around.
I think most people with common some sense would agree with you.
SGI released the B1 stuff a long time ago. I've had a copy from cvs on my system for months now. It's interesting code. But uh... K&R C? I'll leave you to form your own ideas.
My mirror is up at http://ivc.yi.org/docs/cp4break.html
I've spoken with Mathew once on the phone while talking about things not related to this. He won't have any representation at the hearing because apparently if he _does_ have any representation then that might stretch the jurisdiction or him to suddenly be under the jurisdiction of american law. I don't know how this exactly works. But hey. I'm rooting for Mathew. Great coder, really nice person and he's getting screwed over. Not only that but mattel has(had it's gone now) a chance to make it's corporate image really shine.
The Ppro and higher arches have the normal 32bit memory limit. but also have the 4 extra adressing bits. This leads to one problem though. Applications have to have specific support for the extra addressing. Large database programs have such. It's really a kludge and not worth it at all . But then again if you are silly enough to try to deal with that sort of thing you're probably running NT and not a unix system where you can change hardware arch's at a whim.
You've just made my day!
No. Because x86 systems are notorius for lacking registers. Because of the lack of registers the memory bandwidth that they do have is severly limited. Used for storing things to temporary memory addresses that on risc systems you could just use a spare register. Aside risc workstations/servers happen to have better memory bandwidth/throughput. I could go on for quite a while but I won't. The original posting was fud. Ignore it. If it even has a glimmer of truth to it which I doubt it does i'd say that there's a reason behind it. Perhaps you should look at an actual real world test. e-commerce seems to be all the rage these days. Lets benchmark that and see who wins. Myself i've worked with hpux just a little (Working with the parisc-linux guys) it's nasty to work with from a user perspective. But I think solaris has a good chance of kicking nt2k's ass.