Okay, once again I'm actually surprised by the response. It never occurred to me that there are people such as yourself (on slashdot no less) that behave in the opposite way by not only believing the labeling to a ridiculous level, but altering their behavior as a result.
Now, part of me thinks "What kind of an idiot would buy a blender that has a cord made out of lead?" But, still more astonishing to me is that you apparently truly believe that the synthetic insulation on your blender cord actually contains lead and that it contaminates your hands whenever you touch it.
I'll bet your mattress and pillows still have their tags on them. [Hint: that was sarcasm]
What products exactly are they buying and using that are labeled as such that were referenced in this thread? Buildings? You mean they're protecting all of those consumers out buying buildings? Or those masses of consumers buying GaAs for their many home semiconductor recipes?
I can't believe you think labeling the shit out of anything and everything is even remotely reasonable. It's actually dangerous. Why? Because people stop taking ALL of the warnings seriously.
Fuck dude. Did you think Reefer Madness was a documentary too?
Okay, perhaps I'm missing something here. The Mac iTunes client popped up a fairly prominent window [well, only after I clicked iTunes because it was bouncing in the dock] indicating that there was an update available. I had three options: cancel, download but don't install, or download and install. I didn't want the update at the time, so I chose the download only option. Now I can do the install whenever it's convenient for me.
Weren't those options available for you? If they were, perhaps another warning should be added indicating that your phone will be unavailable while the download occurs if you choose the install option.
I really think they need to remove the Flamebait mod option.
Realistically, all statements can be considered flamebait by someone. I'm sure that's going to include my above statement also, but then I don't care about/. karma anymore.
Yet another reason to browse +Flamebait. Your points are well taken at least by me.
Exactly what I'm talking about. You go all off on your attacks because you're coming from a mode of fear. Although I didn't need to re-read your post, I did and there's no change in my analysis. Because you don't like something, it's obviously inferior and anyone that does like something you don't like has some severe fault allowing them to like that thing.
Your response is just more of the same. People who don't have what you have suffer from "brand loyalty crap". And since I actually deigned to point it out, I "can't comprehend plain English", and am "a twit" that "can dish out criticism but can't take it". Even though you never once criticized me in your original post because - hey - I wasn't even in your discussion line. If it would make you happy I suppose I could go all defensive to try to make your point for you and start calling you names. But then we'd both be acting that way.
No. He was laughing at him for going on an insecure rant wherein his intelligence and self worth are defined by his purchases and are threatened by anyone that deviates from his approved purchases.
Well, last I checked no one was requiring anyone to buy every phone as it becomes avail. Show some restraint.
As to value, I was gonna buy 5,000 of the original iPhones as a long term investment, but my broker managed to talk me out of it. Really - who buys a cell phone thinking it's going to be an investment? I have a drawer cluttered with a couple of StarTACs (analog & digital), some Qualcomm thing, my old Samsung, who knows what else. I suppose I should get around to tossing them, but I'm really hoping they'll appreciate. Yeah. That's it.
Agreed. I was afraid I might make it past more than 4 or 5 posts without the word Kaminsky in them. But I think a better title would have been "Kaminsky DNS Flaws Still Plague Apple".
Jeez - if you don't understand the joke then just don't mod it. Here - I'll clue you in...
Jeet? No, jew?
Translation... Did you eat? No, did you?
See how that works? Now someone please give the AC the funny mod they should have gotten to start with. This is why I browse +6 on flamebait/troll/offtopic (and -6 on insightful).
Wow. That's you!? Cool. Myself, I've been using the pseudonym Anonymous Coward here for absolutely ages. Millions of posts. But yeah - 5 years. Gosh. You really ARE an expert.
Ahhh... so that's the fuss. Honestly, I really don't see the dropping of the alt groups as being that great of a loss. I would imagine masturbatory youths (and adults) may disagree, but ultimately it wasn't exactly a great haven for the discussion of ideas. Well - the rec. and comp. chains probably weren't either. But, like the alts, they definitely were fun, if only mentally masturbatory.
Yes - I know - I'm sure there are alt groups of some use, but the majority of it tends toward porn and warez. The ones that weren't (at least non-binaries) frequently have dupes in the other trees anyway. It seems to me that the core of the problem is that the alt chain doesn't require an RFV for creation, so you end up with a rather polluted chain.
Perhaps the real danger is that once everyone drops the alts, then all of the porn and warez will just flood the rest of the newsgroups, eventually leading to their demise or moderation.
Uh, no. Remember that the UU in uuencode is part of the unix to unix suite (along with uucp, etc.) for relaying mail (and other data) across Unix systems and other email servers.
7-bit ASCII encoding was quite common for modem transmissions. Thus preventing transmission of binary data without some type of encoding. IIRC, Compuserve and the like used jmodem, ymodem and other protocols for transmitting binaries. Otherwise you were likely to get a dropped carrier as the binaries inevitably had random modem control characters embedded in them.
Thanks for making the point for me (probably more clearly than I would have). I suspect that BT users are too far removed from the scene to even be aware of rapidshare and its ilk.
Hey bro - the mere fact that I'm posting here at/. rather than over at your PC mag blog points out one of the problems with the current discussion systems. I had no desire to create yet another account merely for a one-shot discussion. And you can pretty much bet that I would have used yet another name, which makes it difficult to have any thread of continuity regarding posting histories and social interaction. It doesn't appear that OpenID is getting much traction in the population at large. And creating a new USENET ID is a lot easier than creating a new blogosphere ID. With the added bonus that I don't have to give a whole bunch of info to USENET like I do to websites for the "privilege" of adding content value to their site. Although in my case I suppose the value of the content may be dubious at best.
The only reason I was even going to post at PC mag was because of the abundesen post wherein he first steps on his own dick because he didn't bother to read your article, and then spends time spinning ever more fanciful polemics to try to retrieve his dick from under his foot.
On a USENET group thread he most likely would have gotten called on that crap by a bunch of people (and might have actually learned a little netiquette and apologized before trying a different approach). You still would have gotten flamed to an extent like you are here, and the discussions in support of your position would have been there also (same as here). However, I would have had an opportunity to killfile him if he stubbornly persisted (well, I could have done it on a whim too), and the thread wouldn't necessarily die after a day or two (sometimes hours) like they do on slashdot and blogs in general. USENET threads can be actively revived after lying dormant (particularly with ISPs tending to keep longer USENET posting histories than they once did) - something that doesn't happen here, and rarely happens elsewhere.
It seems to me that if the/. admins were as into freedom of information as they are so often assumed to be, they'd offer free xml feeds of their comments sections. It wouldn't be terribly difficult to fix some of the deficiencies in their system. Unfortunately, they have a near monopoly on the tech discussions taking place in geekdom because they won't open source their comments, which is where the real value is. It's certainly not in their software. Frankly, if they offered a decentralized store for their feeds and offered the ability to do user authentication, it would be fun to offer them some competition. But I suspect that when it comes to truly open competition, people are a lot more proprietary, capitalistic, and protective than they think
Maybe I'll have a moment of net silence in remembrance of PLONK.
I hear ya. As I recall the first retort out of my mouth was an incredibly sarcastic "uh... you mean like input1 and input2?".
Honestly, I was almost impressed with his ability to not only type them repeatedly but actually keep them from being confused with one another. Almost.
I did a code review of a perl utility someone in my group at work had written. He had two file streams. One was named InPuT and the other was named iNpUt. When asked about it, he said that he did that because he didn't have time to come up with good names.
Nowhere in the post does he talk about getting any sort of disk from Apple. Nowhere in the post does he talk about having an Apple XServe machine. In fact, nowhere in the post does he even talk about having Mac OS X Server software. The most I could surmise from his statements is that he recommends against throwing a desktop version of OS X on a network and trying to turn it into a server by randomly changing networking options. Which is relatively good advice for any system.
On a related note, OS X Server (the shrinkwrap box of software) has been around for a long time. I did my first install on a Beige G3 desktop box that had previously been running MacOS 8.something (or maybe is it was 9.1 - it's been a while). As I recall, that version of the system was known as 1.2.
Oh, and don't claim you hated Microsoft prior to 1995, you know it's a lie. It was only after Linux came on the scene that geeks turned on him like the fickle fashionistas that they claim they aren't.
You might want to check your Linux history before bandying about dates. The pre 1.0 kernels were quite usable and the Slackware distributions worked quite well.
I found writing some simple iPhone apps absolutely trivial. Of course, I used these new fangled thing-a-ma-jigs called them there tutorials and such. Yeah - I know. Crazy talk.
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Okay, once again I'm actually surprised by the response. It never occurred to me that there are people such as yourself (on slashdot no less) that behave in the opposite way by not only believing the labeling to a ridiculous level, but altering their behavior as a result.
Now, part of me thinks "What kind of an idiot would buy a blender that has a cord made out of lead?" But, still more astonishing to me is that you apparently truly believe that the synthetic insulation on your blender cord actually contains lead and that it contaminates your hands whenever you touch it.
I'll bet your mattress and pillows still have their tags on them. [Hint: that was sarcasm]
What products exactly are they buying and using that are labeled as such that were referenced in this thread? Buildings? You mean they're protecting all of those consumers out buying buildings? Or those masses of consumers buying GaAs for their many home semiconductor recipes?
I can't believe you think labeling the shit out of anything and everything is even remotely reasonable. It's actually dangerous. Why? Because people stop taking ALL of the warnings seriously.
Fuck dude. Did you think Reefer Madness was a documentary too?
Okay, perhaps I'm missing something here. The Mac iTunes client popped up a fairly prominent window [well, only after I clicked iTunes because it was bouncing in the dock] indicating that there was an update available. I had three options: cancel, download but don't install, or download and install. I didn't want the update at the time, so I chose the download only option. Now I can do the install whenever it's convenient for me.
Weren't those options available for you? If they were, perhaps another warning should be added indicating that your phone will be unavailable while the download occurs if you choose the install option.
I really think they need to remove the Flamebait mod option.
Realistically, all statements can be considered flamebait by someone. I'm sure that's going to include my above statement also, but then I don't care about /. karma anymore.
Yet another reason to browse +Flamebait. Your points are well taken at least by me.
Exactly what I'm talking about. You go all off on your attacks because you're coming from a mode of fear. Although I didn't need to re-read your post, I did and there's no change in my analysis. Because you don't like something, it's obviously inferior and anyone that does like something you don't like has some severe fault allowing them to like that thing.
Your response is just more of the same. People who don't have what you have suffer from "brand loyalty crap". And since I actually deigned to point it out, I "can't comprehend plain English", and am "a twit" that "can dish out criticism but can't take it". Even though you never once criticized me in your original post because - hey - I wasn't even in your discussion line. If it would make you happy I suppose I could go all defensive to try to make your point for you and start calling you names. But then we'd both be acting that way.
Based on that logic, I can see that you're a coward but you don't want anyone to know.
No. He was laughing at him for going on an insecure rant wherein his intelligence and self worth are defined by his purchases and are threatened by anyone that deviates from his approved purchases.
Well, last I checked no one was requiring anyone to buy every phone as it becomes avail. Show some restraint.
As to value, I was gonna buy 5,000 of the original iPhones as a long term investment, but my broker managed to talk me out of it. Really - who buys a cell phone thinking it's going to be an investment? I have a drawer cluttered with a couple of StarTACs (analog & digital), some Qualcomm thing, my old Samsung, who knows what else. I suppose I should get around to tossing them, but I'm really hoping they'll appreciate. Yeah. That's it.
Well, first he stated something as a fact. Then he said what he believed. And then he reached a tenuous conclusion based upon his statements.
That may be true. But not being funny doesn't make it flamebait.
Agreed. I was afraid I might make it past more than 4 or 5 posts without the word Kaminsky in them. But I think a better title would have been "Kaminsky DNS Flaws Still Plague Apple".
Jeez - if you don't understand the joke then just don't mod it. Here - I'll clue you in...
Jeet?
No, jew?
Translation...
Did you eat?
No, did you?
See how that works? Now someone please give the AC the funny mod they should have gotten to start with. This is why I browse +6 on flamebait/troll/offtopic (and -6 on insightful).
Wow. That's you!? Cool. Myself, I've been using the pseudonym Anonymous Coward here for absolutely ages. Millions of posts. But yeah - 5 years. Gosh. You really ARE an expert.
Sounds to me like he's 100 miles from San Jose, where Sun Computer has its HQ.
Get it now?
Just letting you prove the fact that you're a troll and not someone who knows jack about USENET. Well done.
Ahhh... so that's the fuss. Honestly, I really don't see the dropping of the alt groups as being that great of a loss. I would imagine masturbatory youths (and adults) may disagree, but ultimately it wasn't exactly a great haven for the discussion of ideas. Well - the rec. and comp. chains probably weren't either. But, like the alts, they definitely were fun, if only mentally masturbatory.
Yes - I know - I'm sure there are alt groups of some use, but the majority of it tends toward porn and warez. The ones that weren't (at least non-binaries) frequently have dupes in the other trees anyway. It seems to me that the core of the problem is that the alt chain doesn't require an RFV for creation, so you end up with a rather polluted chain.
Perhaps the real danger is that once everyone drops the alts, then all of the porn and warez will just flood the rest of the newsgroups, eventually leading to their demise or moderation.
Uh, no. Remember that the UU in uuencode is part of the unix to unix suite (along with uucp, etc.) for relaying mail (and other data) across Unix systems and other email servers.
7-bit ASCII encoding was quite common for modem transmissions. Thus preventing transmission of binary data without some type of encoding. IIRC, Compuserve and the like used jmodem, ymodem and other protocols for transmitting binaries. Otherwise you were likely to get a dropped carrier as the binaries inevitably had random modem control characters embedded in them.
Thanks for making the point for me (probably more clearly than I would have). I suspect that BT users are too far removed from the scene to even be aware of rapidshare and its ilk.
Wow. It's KotM Right Reverend Colin James III. I wondered where you went.
Although, had you just slipped in a little pseudo physics I might have mistaken you for Archimedes Plutonium.
Hey bro - the mere fact that I'm posting here at /. rather than over at your PC mag blog points out one of the problems with the current discussion systems. I had no desire to create yet another account merely for a one-shot discussion. And you can pretty much bet that I would have used yet another name, which makes it difficult to have any thread of continuity regarding posting histories and social interaction. It doesn't appear that OpenID is getting much traction in the population at large. And creating a new USENET ID is a lot easier than creating a new blogosphere ID. With the added bonus that I don't have to give a whole bunch of info to USENET like I do to websites for the "privilege" of adding content value to their site. Although in my case I suppose the value of the content may be dubious at best.
The only reason I was even going to post at PC mag was because of the abundesen post wherein he first steps on his own dick because he didn't bother to read your article, and then spends time spinning ever more fanciful polemics to try to retrieve his dick from under his foot.
On a USENET group thread he most likely would have gotten called on that crap by a bunch of people (and might have actually learned a little netiquette and apologized before trying a different approach). You still would have gotten flamed to an extent like you are here, and the discussions in support of your position would have been there also (same as here). However, I would have had an opportunity to killfile him if he stubbornly persisted (well, I could have done it on a whim too), and the thread wouldn't necessarily die after a day or two (sometimes hours) like they do on slashdot and blogs in general. USENET threads can be actively revived after lying dormant (particularly with ISPs tending to keep longer USENET posting histories than they once did) - something that doesn't happen here, and rarely happens elsewhere.
It seems to me that if the /. admins were as into freedom of information as they are so often assumed to be, they'd offer free xml feeds of their comments sections. It wouldn't be terribly difficult to fix some of the deficiencies in their system. Unfortunately, they have a near monopoly on the tech discussions taking place in geekdom because they won't open source their comments, which is where the real value is. It's certainly not in their software. Frankly, if they offered a decentralized store for their feeds and offered the ability to do user authentication, it would be fun to offer them some competition. But I suspect that when it comes to truly open competition, people are a lot more proprietary, capitalistic, and protective than they think
Maybe I'll have a moment of net silence in remembrance of PLONK.
I hear ya. As I recall the first retort out of my mouth was an incredibly sarcastic "uh... you mean like input1 and input2?".
Honestly, I was almost impressed with his ability to not only type them repeatedly but actually keep them from being confused with one another. Almost.
I did a code review of a perl utility someone in my group at work had written. He had two file streams. One was named InPuT and the other was named iNpUt. When asked about it, he said that he did that because he didn't have time to come up with good names.
Seriously.
Nowhere in the post does he talk about getting any sort of disk from Apple. Nowhere in the post does he talk about having an Apple XServe machine. In fact, nowhere in the post does he even talk about having Mac OS X Server software. The most I could surmise from his statements is that he recommends against throwing a desktop version of OS X on a network and trying to turn it into a server by randomly changing networking options. Which is relatively good advice for any system.
On a related note, OS X Server (the shrinkwrap box of software) has been around for a long time. I did my first install on a Beige G3 desktop box that had previously been running MacOS 8.something (or maybe is it was 9.1 - it's been a while). As I recall, that version of the system was known as 1.2.
Oh, and don't claim you hated Microsoft prior to 1995, you know it's a lie. It was only after Linux came on the scene that geeks turned on him like the fickle fashionistas that they claim they aren't.
You might want to check your Linux history before bandying about dates. The pre 1.0 kernels were quite usable and the Slackware distributions worked quite well.
I found writing some simple iPhone apps absolutely trivial. Of course, I used these new fangled thing-a-ma-jigs called them there tutorials and such. Yeah - I know. Crazy talk.