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Apple's IPhone 3G Firmware Update Bombs
JagsLive writes "After lots of complaints about iPhone 3G connection issues, Apple released a firmware update Monday with hopes it would fix the issues. But early reports suggest it didn't work as planned.
Complaints have included dropped calls, abrupt network switches, poor reception, and service interruptions.
Apple declined to offer details about its iPhone 2.0.1 update, other than saying it included 'bug fixes.' However, comments in Apple's support forum say plenty about the latest attempt to rectify poor user experiences. In fact, the update seems to be causing new issues, apparently interfering with the GPS function, among others."
Sounds more and more like a hardware issue with the chipset ... so early adopters are may end up suffering ... be interesting to see if they "quietly" roll out a Rev 2 or publicly announce it.
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The crap linked article doesn't even get the version number right - I recommend reading ars techinca's take (the amusingly named Hope you didn't plan to actually make calls on iPhone 2.0.2) or even Apple insider.
I for one welcome our new haha overlords.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
First it's a kill switch, and then when that didn't work, they made the iPhones into bombs. What next? iPhones that leak chemical/nuclear/biological weapons?
"Just Works" post.....
Interestingly, I find it fairly insightful to see how the great unwashed masses are complaining about this, yet, for the most part, Apple is getting a "free pass" from pundit's, media, and most of the public because of past marketing.
What would the reaction have been if this was some other company?
Just a though that rattles around in my brain.
I've been stung before by buying new apple hardware immediately (core duo macbook pro).
:)
Right now, i'm feeling pretty damn happy I decided to wait on the iphone 3g. I do have an iphone and it works perfectly. I think i'll wait for a few more months before I upgrade to the 3g
2.0.1 was the last update 2.0.2 is the most recent. And for the record my first gen iPhone works fine. The update fixed the slow typing bug and the battery drain bug. I don't know yet if it fixed the shuffle my home screen icons bug. True I wish Apple would give a complete change log. It sure would make it easier for us to give them feedback about those bugs if we knew what they were.
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Ummm, the most recent update was 2.0.2. Kind of hard to take the rest of the article seriously when it gets the most basic of facts wrong. Not that I doubt the existence of these 3G problem, just tired of reading poorly researched, poorly edited "news" articles. I don't have a 3G iPhone, so this article doesn't really apply to me, but for my Edge iPhone, 2.0.2 seems to have improved a number of issues, particularly the email.
On my iPhone, 2.02 completely disabled all 3rd party apps. Any apps installed run for just a few seconds before returning to the app screen. Deleting and re-installing doesn't help.
Good job apple.
Why are bug reports on the iPhone always blown way the hell out of proportion? Seriously. Every firmware update on any product is going to have people with issues. But hey, a product that's already sold over 2 million that has some gripes on a support forum? STOP THE PRESSES! Christ, it seems every time an iPhone farts, there's a ton of stuff on the tech sites about how horrible and defective they are! Well, guess what? My iPhone 3G has been running just fine since 2.0. So have the vast majority of the things. Give it a fucking rest already.
Microsoft is upset over the Mac v. PC, Leopard v. Vista commercials. They want to play dirty themselves, obviously, since they're showing idealized videotaped demos of their OS to gullible people under a fake name and saying "That's Vista, ain't it great?". So where are all the Microsoft-purchased ads slamming the iPhone's inability to even be a phone, while Windows Mobile phones get shit done?
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I always find it interesting how you get a slew of "I am glad I never jail broke my iphone" comments when a new release comes out that breaks the jail break.
Well in this case, I am glad I jail broke my iphone because I did not upgrade to the new firmware. In some ways it is nice, because you let everyone else find out what is broken. So in this case, even if they come out with the new pwnage for the new firmware, I am sure I am going to just wait until the new release from apple come out.
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From: steve.jobs@apple.com
To: daniel@roughlydrafted.com
Subj: Hello
Daniel,
Looks like we're in a bit of bind right now. QA signed off on the 3G 2.0.1 update despite not testing it fully. (The guilty parties are being punished as we speak.) For the time being, could you write another pro-iPhone article? Be sure to mention how it is "substantially less buggy" than competitors phones, and how beautiful it is. Also, be sure to make a jab at Zune (the Internet always eats that stuff up.) It'd also be great if you could work chair throwing in there as well. Thankfully, the masses eat up tired memes without even realizing it. One article should buy us enough time and mindshare to fix these issues.
Sincerely,
Steve
First off, the firmware that was just released was 2.0.2, not 2.0.1 which had been out for a while already. Second, Apple never claimed that this update contains the 3G fix. As usual, they have been secretive and cryptic about what the update actually contains, but this was just a minor update, not the big radio firmware fix we've been waiting for. And finally, although a few people have complained about the GPS in the new version, most of the reports seem to indicate that the GPS has IMPROVED.
Disclaimer: I own an iPhone and am suffering from the 3G issues. I'm certainly no fan of the way Apple has handled this so far, but this article is just a pointless and error-filled troll.
My Nokia is about 10 software revisions out of date. It appears that my carrier doesn't want to bother to upgrade the firmware to correct pre-existing bombs in the old software, and I don't have the special cable (which will cost me perhaps $40).
Virtually every modern phone has upgradeable firmware to address "bombs". Low-end Motorolas, Nokias, BlackBerries, Treos, LGs, Sony/Ericsons, Samsungs, Verion-branded phones ... ALL of them.
The only interesting part is that iPhone users can drive the software update process without it being forced upon them by the carrier, and/or users can upgrade it without having to buy a rarely-available cable.
Quit voiding your warranty!
It isn't like you paid for the hardware, paid for the service, have the device in your name, are responsible for it and hold it in your hand 99.99999% of it's lifecycle. IT BELONGS TO APPLE! See the logo? That's APPLE's logo. Not your logo.
You should consider it a privilege to be blessed with an Apple product in your hand.
There have been complaints about GPS for a while since 2.0.0, so this isn't new. It may take a while to acquire an initial position, especially if your time is not accurate on the device.
Keep it outdoors, and prevent it from locking for 15-30 minutes.
Windows Mobile can't get shit done. I own a WM smartphone and it sucks incredibly. No usable browser, crappy "e-mail" client which can't do IMAP correctly, let alone IDLE, lame applications.
A Mac versus PC ad is at least fair -- both computers are capable of doing things, and you can get a PC that's equal to or superior to a Mac hardware-wise. (I own a MacBook, FWIW.) Macs can run the same software PCs can, either Mac OS X applications or Windows via Parallels/Fusion/Boot Camp. Windows Mobile is a whole different story -- it's not even close. Even if you have a Pocket PC, which is equipped with a touchscreen, better CPU, and significantly better version of Windows Mobile, you're still out of luck.
For what it's worth, I have a 16GB White 3G iPhone that I bought about a week after launch, and have had no call issues (call quality is actually reported by people I talk to as being "amazing"), no GPS issues, etc.
The first weekend I had it I lost internet and had to restart it, and since then have had no issues with big things like GPS/3G/etc. I updated to 2.0.2 last night and used the GPS in town and it was actually super-fast and stable.
That said, the contact/SMS slowdown business, and somewhat crash-happiness it exhibits haven't gone away, although seem somewhat better. 3rd-party apps, especially games (I'm looking at you: Super Monkey Crash-a-million-times Ball) seem really rushed and quick to fail.
-Matthew Riley "TofuMatt" MacPherson
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since 2.0.1 is such a steaming pile, that I'm using 2.0.2. So far no problems.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Posting as AC for obvious reasons. The talk is strong to recall the new iPhones here in Cupertino.
Apple is vulnerable to third party hardware suppliers. These third parties want Apple, with their BILLIONS (windfall profit tax anyone?) to buy them out because they feel the world economy is going to get worse before it gets better.
I wonder how all the apple fanboys feel when they say their products "just work", as this update is clearly showing. /sarcasm
Meanwhile, it'd be nice to see the iphone actually work, although I'm impressed by the continual problems sprouting up. How did something look so sleek end up so crappy? It's like putting a prius engine in a ferrari or something.
Steve should stop giving his gifts to this ungrateful world, and go away like he did before so that the people will really appreciate that which is cool.
Would serve you right you ungrateful pricks!
I do not care! Enough with the IPhone articles.
First, let me say that others have not had the same experience, so it isn't universal, but I've also seen others saying they had the same result, so it isn't unique to my iPod Touch either.
After I updated to 2.0.2 on my 16 GB iPod Touch, I could no longer launch any 3rd party apps. They would start to load, then quit back to the home screen. I tried powering off and starting back up. Didn't help. I tried a restore and setup from backup. No help. Finally I resorted to a restore and setup as a new iPod. This worked (at least so far). Of course, it means that I lost all my app data. Fortunately all my key data was recoverable (contacts, calendar, email and SplashID), but my progress in the game Vay, for example, is gone as well as other games.
This isn't the first problem I've had with 2.0.x firmware. Previously I had individual applications stop working. In some cases powering off and on would fix it, but more recently (with 2.0.1) I had some applications where that didn't help. In fact, neither did a restore and setup from backup. Indeed, the most recent restore and setup as a new device is the *second* time I've done it.
Also, twice I experienced a problem where I tried to launch the AppStore app where it never finished loading. It didn't quit to the home screen, it just got stuck. Pressing Home didn't do anything. Nor did pressing the sleep button. Finally I held the Home button down to force quit the AppStore, but instead of just force quitting the app, it caused an onscreen flash and then my iPod started to reboot, but it never finished. I tried forcing another reboot and still it didn't finish starting up. Endless Apple logo. I let it go for hours and it never finished. Finally I had to force my iPod into recovery mode and do a restore and setup from backup. In this case, that worked, but it happened again another time and again I had to restore from backup.
The 2.0.x firmware has, as far as I'm concerned, been pretty much a disaster. I love the features it brings to my iPod, but this is beta, or really alpha software. It shouldn't have been released, or at least it should have been labeled as such and not been distributed through normal means. Then the problems wouldn't sting quite so much if you ran into them.
I hope the promised September update will put all this nonsense to rest and finally give us release-quality firmware. I must admit to being a bit skeptical, though.
--- What?
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OS-X: it Just Costs(tm)
Linux: it Just Works In Text-only Mode(tm)
I'm running 2.0.2 on a 3G with no visible issues so far. In fact, 2.0.2 fixed a lot of the app slowness that I was seeing, especially the Contacts app, which previously had a 5-10 second lag when starting. With 2.0.2 the contacts app is usable as soon as it opens up. As for the 3G problems, the 3G coverage in the areas move between is less than stellar, so I typically just leave 3G off.
I am more frustrated at the fact it has to do a complete reload, not just a patch. I've been generally happy with my iPhone (3G) but tying up your phone for almost 30 minutes while it downloads (at work no less) isn't pleasant. Then, I absolutely had to use it and forgot it was still downloading. I had a brick until I could spend another 10-20 minutes doing a "restore". The Apple software doesn't update after a restore, so guess what...I clicked, "Next" thinking it would continue to something else, but nope, got to wait another 20 minutes while it restored a second time.
As far as changes, I still have keyboard lag and the little quirks it had before 2.01 and 2.02. Battery drain I can't comment because I'm constantly plugging it in due to the habit I formed after having it die so often the first week I had it. I now instinctively plug into the car charger while driving, plug in at work, and then plug in at home. I even leave a cable attached to my XBOX360 to charge (even though the 360 won't recognize the iPhone like it would my iPod Video).
So far so good. Now if only Apple would fix the 'mangle photo before email' problem, so that I can email full-size photos with full EXIF information instead of having to tether to get them...
I have a 2nd revision aluminum iMac 20 inch and the 16 GB version of the first iPhone... the one that came out 6 months before the first release date. I have had unusual reception issues, where my reception jumps up and down constantly in places when before the 2.0 update it was consistent. They aren't severe though, as this usually only happens in areas with poor receiption anyway. But that does make me sympathize with the 3G users and makes me think it's a firmware issue.
Even so, in terms of roll outs of new products, the 3G has not gone as well as other roll outs have. Hell even the original iPhone was much better than this. At the same time, the press is right of the most part, but it's also being bolder than usual. I think this is due to the fact that #1 Vista went badly, and they are emboldened by the fact that they were able to trash that so thoroughly, and #2 the press recognises that readers seem to love reading about when a giant stumbles or falls.
I'm not saying the press isn't justified, nor am I saying that this is the end of Apple. Not everyone is having problems, but more people than one would usually expect for an Apple product are having problems. And the press is leaping on it like a starving tiger.
Such is the world. I look forward to the iPhone releases in the next two years when I possibly consider an upgrade.
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"After complaining to a manager, Goodman was able to get a replacement unit, but the reception issues persisted. On Thursday, he was told by an AT&T customer service representative that its cell towers are having trouble recognizing the iPhone 3G on the network, and that a fix was forthcoming."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10017657-37.html?tag=nefd.lede
This is the first comment by an AT&T employee where they appear to admit that these issues are partially their fault. Did I call it or what? I bet they decided to call Fido as I suggested on various boards and ended up finding something.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
Seriously?
I'm answering the question! Sorry, should I not have questioned the superiority of everything that comes out of the fruit-based company?
Perhaps slashdot ought to have "-1, Heresy"
The emperor is fully clothed!
Some settling may occur during posting.
How about not buying a cell (particularly one so expense) that doesn't function properly?
Mine works fine under 2.0.2, as it did under 2.0.1. This is clearly not a universal problem -- I know a dozen or so others with 3G iphones online and in Real Life who have had no problems. Maybe someone should start a database of serial numbers to see if there's some kind of trend in which phones are problematic?
everything in moderation
I activated my 3g iPhone last week, and I haven't had any issues anywhere in the city.
Is it just crowded places like San Francisco that are having issues?
Do I have a newer revision of the 3g since it was on sale just a week ago?
"I buy Apple products. It just makes me feel special."
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I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Actually, I chalked it up to a little bit of journalistic integrity. There's no way you can download a new firmware update that has NO description of what was improved/changed in the description (other than "misc. bug fixes"), read about 24-48 hours worth of random comments on forums, and write a good article explaining the "fact" that said upgrade was GOOD or BAD!
Over on macrumors.com, I was following this update, yesterday, and I got the distinct impression that results were quite mixed. A good percentage of people reported about 1 more bar of signal strength on the 3g network than they saw before the update, and there were misc. reports of such things as, "I can now make a call inside my Chicago apartment, in the same room where previously, people always said my voice was garbled when I tried to call them."
I updated my boss's iPhone 3g to the new firmware yesterday afternoon, and so far, he hasn't noticed anything really "better" OR "worse" about it.
Meanwhile, people have reported completely different things they say were fixed in firmware 2.02 from 2.01, including Arabic web sites now displaying native language characters properly.
It seems likely to me that the more major 2.1 firmware update (that's now in beta testing by developers) would do more to attempt to address connectivity issues. This, at most, was probably just a small tweak of some parameters for how strong a signal needs to be before the iPhone decides it can use 3g vs dropping to EDGE, and vice-versa.
(Before the happenings of this post, I had replaced the SIM cards in my and my wife's 3G iPhone's once previously, about 2 weeks ago, with no significant improvement in service.) After updating to 2.0.2 I am completely unable to make or receive calls when 3G is enabled. Disabling 3G while standing in the same location results in 3-5 bars of EDGE, and turning on 3G again results in "No Service" (when previously the phone would at least drop down to EDGE when 3G was unavailable). Also, even with 3-5 bars of EDGE, I had 5 calls last night that did not ring at all to my phone (I got the voicemails about 30 min later). Disabling Wifi, doing a Network Reset, and rebooting did nothing to resolve the issue. I reported these issues to AT&T Technical Support after getting bounced to Apple and then back, and requested a refund for the month or so of incredibly poor phone service that I've received. The representative was happy to comply, discounting a significant portion of next month's bill. I refuse to pay for poor phone service, and I suggest any who are having issues do the same until these problems are resolved.
The 3rd party app bug is not new, and Apple has acknowledged that it is working on it. I had the same problem with the old firmware after an update of a 3rd party application. Doing a restore solved the problem.
The location feature on every 1st gen iPhone I know of (around 12) have not been working since the 2.0.0 update. Apple say that they know about this, but there has been no sign of a fix yet :(
Here's a practical experience from last night: I upgraded to 2.0.2 the night it came out. Last night I was sitting next to a friend in a coffee shop who still had 2.0.1. We both joined the coffee shop's public wifi network. She was able to surf, but I kept getting connection errors and freezes and was not even able to view a web page. And as I was sitting in the coffee shop in the middle of a major metropolis, my signal bars kept fluctuating from 3 to 0. In conclusion, :(((((
I got the distinct impression that results were quite mixed. A good percentage of people reported about 1 more bar of signal strength on the 3g network than they saw before the update
It appears that Apple may have changed how many bars are displayed for different signal strengths.
That could explain the contradictory information.
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Makes me want to whack some crazy Apple fanboy with a one-button mouse while they're down.
Similes are like metaphors
I happen to know the guy who headed the RF software group for the original iPhone. He's a low-key sort, from the industrial high-reliability real time world. He did not like being yelled at by Steve Jobs. So, shortly after the first iPhones were out and working, he quit.
Apple found someone else to do the 3G version. Probably not someone from the industrial high-reliability real time world.
Vista: ... ?
Go ahead and mod me down you a-holes! :D :D :D
So where are all the Microsoft-purchased ads slamming the iPhone's inability to even be a phone, while Windows Mobile phones get shit done?
"Hi, my name's Peter, and I have a T-Mobile Windows Powered Phone."
"HI PETER!"
"I'm using a $50 Nokia and a refurbished Clie, because my Windows Powered phone hangs if I try to place a call while using Streets and Trips, and I've had Activesync fail to recover my backed up data after a crash. I can't rely on it. I'm... such a backslider."
"ANYTHING ELSE?"
"I installed Windows XP on my Vista laptop."
"THANK YOU FOR SHARING, PETER!"
I'm surprised any negative comments are showing up in the Apple forums. When the iPod first came out Apple was very good at deleting any negative comments in the forums.
It Just Lurks (tm).
Vista: It Just Works (on tomorrow's hardware)
We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it
Most folks assume you can simply turn off the iPhone and it will magically clear up everything. They need to do a hard shutdown, which is a different proceedure. Hold down the Standby and the Home button for a few seconds. You will see the prompt to shut down, but do NOT let up from the buttons. A few seconds later the phone will shut off on it's own. I find this fixes most app issues as well as a host of other issues. It's ALWAYS a good idea to do this after an update. As for 2.0.2, folks are bitching about an update that they don't even know if it resolves their specific issue. Apple is to blame for this as they don't release details on what their actually fixing. That said, since they haven't said they've fixed it, I have no expectation that this will fix the 3G issue. My signal strength is indeed stronger but then again, I have never dropped a call. Until they do announce a fix for it, its a simple matter to simply turn 3G off. Guess what? It works perfectly in Edge. I can wait for a fix.
Vista: ... ?
it Just doesn't work(tm)
I still think my answer was an adequate insight into the mind of someone taking delight in apple having problems :)
Buy the Freerunner... do not bother with phones which are not even open source now.
No way man, you're forgetting how Macs are like, TOTALLY the gold standard in interface design unless you want to do something crazy like look up stuff in the help feature or add titles to a video or change the box sizes for titles in iMovie or close a rules window in Mail without having to hide your dock or extract stills in iMovie without adding the still to the video or have it wait until you're finished recording multiple videos before it makes you wait for it to break them up or upload a picture to photobucket that iPhoto has kidnapped or actually have a fucking clue what your emails to others will look like when you embed pictures in the text or want to see at a glance which email address you're sending to or use Adobe Acrobat without annoying update warnings that require good reflexes to turn off or charge your iPod without having good enough reflexes to keep it from deleting everything when you don't want to sync or move the iPod library on one computer to another or ...
Oh, I'm sorry, was it hard for you read all of that in one sentence? Now, pretend I told you that that style was the gold standard in writing, and now you know what it's like to use a Mac.
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
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Apple fans certainly didn't complain when the media hyped the iPhone as the be-all and end-all of cell phones. Now, they complain about the iPhone getting increased scrutiny when it develops problems. Smells like sour grapes, if you ask me.
We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it
Actually, some independent analysis has shown that's the issue - the firmware is too anxious to jump to EDGE. Another problem is that in some places, ATT's equipment is placed at 2.5G distances, but 3G needs closer towers, so ATT needs to step up and get some upgrades in place. But there are a lot of indicators that it's the immature software ON the infineon chip, not the chip itself, that is causing issues.
the Mon. update is 2.0.2, not 2.0.1.
Because I was just reading a Nokia E71 review the other day, and it's $500, and the iPhone is simply better (for me, anyhow).
Tom's Hardware just said that Mac and PC prices are about equal when you take into account the components. I think the perception that Apple is more expensive comes from the fact that they just don't compete in the low-end segment of the market.
Apple is still the best company, PERIOD. THeir products stand head and shoulders above the rest. They have the best smart phone, the best computers, the best servers, the best MP3 players, the best EVERYTHING. All you critics and whiners just hate people who are smart and successful, which is why you attack us with your false accusations and your petty complaints. Go back to your windblows and your linsux, and leave the rest of us alone.
Think Different. Think BETTER. THINK APPLE!!!!
almost every new apple product has serious hardware problems - ipod battery anyone ? defective power cord plug on laptop anyone ? i'm not old enough to rmember earlier stuff, but would bet dollars to donuts there were problems in earlier stuff goign back to the lisa
TAKE HOME: new apple stuff often has serious hardware/software problems (which makes u wonder, the peopel who talk about apples obsession with detail)
This is sort of darwinism in action - u stupid enuf buy new apple hardware, get what u disserve
...however, since everyone is offering anecdotal "evidence", I'll point out that we have two 3G iPhones in our home, and neither have had 3G issues. A few applications crash on startup, but most of my apps run just fine, before and after the 2.0.2 update.
My biggest gripe is -- Apple has neither stated there is a known 3G connectivity problem, nor did they state the 2.0.2 patch contains a 'fix' for any such problems. So ask yourself, how have these people writing articles about it able to claim such a thing? The answer is, the same reason everyone thinks there's a widespread problem with 3G... hear-say.
Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
Steve Jobs likes to provide his UIs the way Henry Ford liked to provide his cars. Any color you want, so long as it's black.
I haven't used a Macs enough to complain about them, but I've been using an iPhone for a few weeks now. I'm not going to say the device is crap, it's not, but I definitely would not call the UI a gold standard. I'm still trying to figure out who's nephew they hired to make the decision that you should need to plug the phone into an entire computer to get audio onto this wifi device. I mean really. They shipped a wifi enabled, web surfing music player that cannot download PODCASTS from the internet. I do find it funny though that when Apple implemented a UI element that has been in Lotus Notes from the beginning, the UI element magically went from being the worst thing ever to being a gold standard.
...to IPhuckedup :-)
You forgot the clever design that prevents people from resizing their windows from any edge, like we've been able to do side the first GUI days in the 80s. Obviously we didn't need to do that and the Almighty Jobs decided we should only be able to do it from the bottom right corner. Mustn't forget about changing the system font, oops, need a 3rd party tool to do that. But you soon learn some apps have the font hardcoded. Best of all is the inability to change the background color. Don't like the handful they let you choose (that's right, there is no color wheel), you have to make an image with that color and know where to put it! So do Apple users even switch their machines on? I tried a powerbook and mac pro, within a year I was back on linux on generic Intel.
No problems here, either before or after the update - I'm quite pleased with my phone.
Apple should be clearer about timelines, possible issues, and the bug fixes they release, and avoid all this pointless speculation. 'Bug Fixes' is a joke as a description. As it is their silence leaves an echo chamber for negative complaints to become the only story for the iPhone.
I wonder how many of these problems are down to poor network service though? They certainly seem to be concentrated in the US.
Is it possible that this is a service issue more than an Apple HW issue? Why is Apple taking all the blame for poor network quality when it's well known that AT&T service in the US is sub-par at best.
While I do agree that WiFi transfer would be nice, I would hardly call that a UI problem. That's more like a missing feature than a UI problem or inconsitancy. I've never used Lotus Notes, so I have no idea what UI element you are refering to with the last statement.
What I don't understand is, where is the BLUETOOTH transfer? Isn't this what Bluetooth was DESIGNED to do, is to sync hardware devices by simply being in proximity? My Mac Pro has Bluetooth, my iPhone has Bluetooth, so where's my auto-sync?
Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
I never buy Apple products until Service Pack 4 comes out. Oh... wait... that's Microsoft... or is it?
*confused*
Clearly there is no issue here - Steve told me!
No problems with using my iPhone 3G with the 2.0.2 firmware. Updating from 2.0.1 to 2.0.1 was and still is a problem though. ...
I started the update in iTunes.
iTunes downloaded the 2.0.2 firmware and started the update.
About 40 to 60 minutes later iTunes reports a problem updating my iPhone and the iPhone is in recovery mode. You must restore this iPhone from backup before iTunes can
So I restore the iPhone.
iTunes then gives me the choice to setup as a new iPhone or restore from an existing backup.
About 60 minutes later the restore from backup is done but same iTunes screen is present: setup as a new iPhone or restore from an existing backup.
With seemingly no other choice I chose restore from existing backup and clicked continue again.
Another 60 minutes or so...
Same setup screen in iTunes!
OK. Disconnect iPhone. Power off iPhone. Close iTunes. Logout.
Login. Start iTunes. Power on iPhone. Connect iPhone. Same damn iTunes setup screen: setup as new iPhone or restore from existing backup.
With that Setup screen in iTunes you don't get the iPhone sync screen. No new music, no new apps, sync of data, no new backup. No control of the iPhone from iTunes at all.
The iPhone itself has all of the data and apps exactly as before upgrading to 2.0.2 and reports that it is running 2.0.2. It works just as before except the battery is definitely not draining as fast today and it won't sync with iTunes.
It was late last night when I was done with the above. I'll call for support when I get home today.
Today, 8/20/08, on docking my ORIG version iPhone, i was told i coujld upgrade to v. 2.0.2 so i did so.. I also tried to view the link on the 'update?' box that was described as letting me view the fixes (ie, the last of the several links in the 'Agreement' box). Naturally, at that site there was NO ref to any fix, even clicking the 'iphone' dropdown menu revealed nothing about it. BUT, interestingly, there was a 'how to transfer your original iphone config to a new G3 unit' that included wording including this: "If you wish to change your carrier (!!!), first ask your new carrier how to do it .. " (a rough
sort-of-a-quotation)
Does this mean Apple is preparing to let carriers other than ATT work with the iphone???????
"There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
Are any of these complaints about Mac OS X itself? Seems like a lot of bitching about iphoto, mail, acrobat, and itunes. Yes, all of those bite. Use aperture/lightroom, gmail, preview, and ... well, you're stuck with itunes.
Dont like it? Enjoy your Treo 800 or Blackberry Curve.
Most software kind of sucks. I happen to think the iphone sucks the least of all the smart phones.
And you probably are wondering why you are called a fanboy that often, right?
I have a friend with a $500 Nokia (N95) phone, that would shut down, if anybode called that wasn't in his phonebook. It would shut down immediately, before ringing or writing anything in the log of incoming calls. The phone could be off for hours, as he only looked at it, when it rang and it didn't ring when off. The issue was fixed by a firmware upgrade after some weeks.
Nokia screws up with their expensive phones as well. My friend now has a 3G iPhone and is having trouble with the reception. Always the early adopter. :-)
It will probably randomly explode user's iPhones killing them in the process just because it can.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
On systems that allow resizing of windows along one axis by dragging on the side, I have, at times, resized a window when I didn't intend to; that doesn't happen to me in OS X.
On the other hand, being an old fart, I like to have my terminal windows 80 columns wide, and it's annoying that I can't conveniently change only the height of a Terminal window - and whether "having fewer places where you will end up resizing a window when you don't intend to" is the rationale for only allowing resizing from the corner, and whether it's an adequate rationale for that, is another matter.
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I've had an original iPhone for almost a year and have had no problems at all. When the 2.0 software loaded on it everything pauses now for a few seconds before you can do anything. Open the contacts list, wait, wait, wait scroll. Open the photos wait, wait, wait scroll. It is pissing me off.
Is buying a Harley Davidson as your first motorcycle since you were 16 at age 49 a midlife crisis issue?
Makes me enjoy my Samsung Instinct a tad bit more. It may not be as sexy or have all the bells and whistles and fancy little apps, but at least it works.
Are any of these complaints about Mac OS X itself? Seems like a lot of bitching about iphoto, mail, acrobat, and itunes.
...You're kidding. You're asking: OTHER than all the software that comes with the OS, that they ADVERTISE as coming with the OS and making it awesome, and which they specifically promote as integrating so SEAMLESSLY and making your experience with the OS that much f'ing better than Windows -- implying that you're actually supposed to USE it -- do I have any complaints about the OS?
Right...
And let me guess: OTHER than the waitresses with tits hoisted up and crammed into each other, what did I think about Hooters?
OTHER than the fighting, how did you like the war?
OTHER than the death of your husband, how did you like the play?
OTHER than the lack of substance, how do you like the void?
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
The 2.0 software release has honestly been a complete disaster. I've got 3 friends who have bought, and subsequently returned, their 3G phones. They knew I loved my 1.1.4 phone, and their experience has been nothing like that.
I'm still rockin' my jailbroken / unlocked 2.0.1 original iPhone on T-Mobile, and it's simply slow, laggy, and crashy. It's so bad that I'm seriously considering rolling back to 1.1.4 until they fix this mess.
Windows XP: it Just Works(tm).
The word you were looking for is "barely".
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
My iPhone update didn't work at first with a "(-19)" error, the fix for which was to unlock my iPhone with my password. Then I had to reboot my Macintosh, since it has it's own problems, so that iTunes would work. After that the firmware update worked just fine and flawlessly. Par for the course when doing a firmware update on almost any device.
Sure there are a few glitches but overall I'm quite happen with the iPhone. It's not my old flip phone like Kirk's communicator but it's quite fine.
I hope Apple realizes this is the same situation as the Newton. Talk about De ja vu. And make the correct decision this time around or the iPhone will be like the Newton when the gPhone/Android, LG LiMO, or 2.0Motomax phones come out by the end of this year.
Despite bad reviews, that OpenMoko phone is starting to look better and better--especially for development.
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Are you retarded? The discussion was about Mac OS X's GUI. The applications such as iMovie are not part of the OS, they are applications. Therefore, they are irrelevant to the topic of OS X's GUI.
... and then they built the supercollider.
Hell no! - that's about the most insightful summary of the Mac experience that I've ever seen!
Three Squirrels
There's bound to be an app to do that for you, for the low, low price of $29.99.
Why is it that you have to buy apps just to get basic functionality, like sending pictures over MMS?
If the applications are made specifically for OSX by the very same company that made OSX, and yet can't play nicely with the GUI, I think that says something about the GUI.
As someone posted earlier. This article is inaccurate in that Apple never claimed that the 3G issues would be resolved by this update. This was just an assumption made by some users.
Furthermore I think there is one interesting piece of this puzzle that is being left out. The SIM card either the type or how it is programmed or both, may play a role in this. The reason I say this is that apparently some people are having little to no problems, while others are having major issues.
A fried of mine bought a 3G recently, he decided to try swapping it for another one because he felt the accelerometer was acting up. His old one had no reception issues. The new one has major issues. It doesn't make sense that this would be a chip design issue as all phones of a given revision should essentially have the same issues. The only other variable that may have changed in all of this that might have this kind of significant impact would be the SIM that came with the new phone.
No Mac/Apple user ever says that. The only idiots that ever say that are the trolls.
My last experience with a Mac was one of the original PowerPC based ones, which had the power button next to the floppy drive, right where every other PC had the floppy eject button. To eject a floppy, you had to use a paperclip right after pressing the power button by mistake. There was also a software eject somewhere in the system menu for those rare cases where you got your work done without a system bomb (the Mac equivalent of a bluescreen).
I do agree, it would be nice to have bluetooth sync. However, the computer I use to sync my iphone only has USB 1.1 and it is painfully slow. For how long it would take to sync a bunch of songs over bluetooth, you might as well plug it in because your going to be there a while. I think wifi sync would be much more useful. The distance is better, the speed is better. It might take more power but the wifi radio would be on for much less time than the bluetooth radio would be.
Ok, just how can a FACTUAL posting about my iPhone experience with the update be deserving of the label "TROLL"? That's just not right of whom ever moderated the parent to this comment. The post was relevant and while contrary to the article it provided some actual evidence that not all was wrong with the iPhone update, not all was right with it either!
So I don't see how you get "troll" as a category. Maybe informative and boring, but troll? Yesh...
No Mac/Apple user ever says that. The only idiots that ever say that are the trolls.
What the fuck are you talking about? Have a look at the number one reason from Apple's get a mac advertising campaign from 2006.
Complete self delusion - the RDF is strong in this fanboi.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
the poeple it doesn't work at all for any more got a new sim card, then it worked.
Indeed. I was going to say that software cannot change real signal strength. Sure, perhaps the firmware can instruct the chips to go into some other mode that better uses the existing signal. But if you had 2 bars (whatever that means) of signal strength yesterday and you have 3 bars today, either the signal characteristic has changed (due to different things going on in the RF environment that has nothing to do with the software) or your phone has changed its definition of 3 bars.
The iPhone 2.0 software has a serious bug that renders all iphones useless. Apple has released 2 updates since the release of 2.0 software and this issue has not been solved. This is a serious problem. The iPhone right now as it is.... is a waste of money. Do not buy it. Read on. Apple refuses to describe the bugs it fixes, so we dont know what they're doing with these updates, and they have not acknowledged this issuse. Many iPhone users are left in the dark.
http://www.macworld.com/article/134923/2008/08/iphonedebug.html#commentsjump
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/08/07/white-apple-logo-screen-of-death-stops-iphones-in-their-tracks/
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1600894&tstart=25&start=500
lol, 'tomorrows' hardware, that is great and very true.
Another reason to love Linux, it runs and runs and runs on 'many-years-ago' hardware. It just does everything faster on today's hardware or tomorrow's for that matter
Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.
Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:
P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)
P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)
Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)
Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:
Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)
Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)
And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:
Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312
Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057
Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.
Martin
I just upgraded to 2.0.2. If this whole thread and TFA off base or what?
show us ur yabos
I said Mac user you tool. Apple marketing is marketing.
They could have made a 3g one 12 months ago, even if it was a dev only , twice the weight, half the battery life version just for apple/dev staff and jobs to hash out all the bugs/errors.
Projects too closed and secret have too few testing done.
Jobs, your secret dev attitude worked in simple 80s, but now you have to just give it up, let the world know you're making something.
Even i knew that apple would make an iphone 18 months before hand, it was the only option since mp3 players were going down to $1 profits. I can buy a 1gig player for $5 - crap quality yes, but still any 4yo would be happy with it.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
No you are right - because it's all of them. See my other post about
Sony Ericsson a little down. Early adopter get screwed left right centre.
you're right. bad mods happen more and more imo.
(now for offtopic -- digg style mods are much better)
http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/iphone3g/index.html#d20aug2008
hardly positive really.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
I said Mac user you tool. Apple marketing is marketing.
So why didn't you say something like:
No Mac/Apple user ever says that. The only idiots that ever say that are the trolls and Apple themselves.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
Apple doesn't even say it. If you think Apple ever says "everything we ever make is perfect, including all new products and future concepts we haven't thought of yet and never fails", you are an idiot.
Apple doesn't even say it.
Didn't say what? Apple certainly said "It just works"
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
God damn, you can't read worth shit. They have never said every single product they ever make just works. Pull your head out of your ass for one second so you can get some oxygen. Then maybe you can think clearly. Show me anywhere that says Apple saying "All our products work perfectly 100% of the time"
I think Apple would have done better by waiting for a year or so, with some limited release of quality testing by consumers before this.
They have a history of releasing products and, if they do well, coming out with new versions very quickly. That may have worked well for the PC market, one that is well-known, but not for the cell phone market.
I personally am ditching my iPhone for a reliable Blackberry.
YMMV.
I used to spend some time here, because there were positive comments about the Mac mixed in with criticism. Now nobody goes here but the haters. One story after another.
I just bought an iPhone. I like it a lot. It's very good where I live. I never get a dropped call. Apparently that makes he a fanboy.
It's sad, really. For you. Amazing how many little people love to bash Apple for their perceived awfulness, and how few of you actually understand what's real and what's not.
When I first saw the title of the article, I thought Al Qaeda was converting iPhones into IEDs.
What I don't understand is, where is the BLUETOOTH transfer? Isn't this what Bluetooth was DESIGNED to do
What I don't understand is, where is the CAPS LOCK key?
Songs? Yeah, that would be slow. I wasn't talking songs, we all know that Bluetooth would be a dog for syncing A/V files. I was thinking more in terms of updating calanders, emails, possibly text files (like with FileMagnet). And maybe streaming A/V signals (that would be great).
For a device that has both WiFi and Bluetooth, it seems to have very little wireless connectivity. And it has VIRTUALLY NO bluetooth connectivity... I don't even know why they bother having it.
Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
OP: After this, every apple zealot loses his license to use "it just works".
You: No Mac/Apple user ever says that. The only idiots that ever say that are the trolls.
Me: Links to Apple marketing campaign with the slogan "It just works".
You: God damn, you can't read worth shit. They have never said every single product they ever make just works. Pull your head out of your ass for one second so you can get some oxygen. Then maybe you can think clearly. Show me anywhere that says Apple saying "All our products work perfectly 100% of the time"
*shrug* - whatever dumbass.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
Yeah you sure are. You can't tell the difference between Mac users and Apple, or assume it just works is some sort of blanket statement for all Apple products. Go back to grade 2 faggot
You can't tell the difference between Mac users and Apple,
You don't think the people at Apple are Mac users?
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
What?
There are other applications that do the things complained about just fine. That indicates that it's a "problem" with the applications, not the OS.
In any case, it isn't even a case of the applications "not playing nicely" with the GUI. They play fine with the GUI. It's just the applications were designed with different interface philosophies. Use a professional video editing application on OS X, and the things you can do are completely different than what you can do with an application designed for consumers. I don't like the interface on the iLife applications at all, so I don't use them. But other people like the way it works, and the simplicity. So, choose the application that suits your needs.
How does any of this indicate problems with the Operating System's GUI? The OS isn't preventing any of the functionality that was complained about - it's the application design. You can't please everybody with a single application. That's why there are different choices.
... and then they built the supercollider.
Settings -> Keyboard -> Enable Caps Lock
set it to on, and double tapping the shift will set caps lock.
iPhoto bites? could have fooled me. I've used it to sell Macs before, and I use it for managing my photos. I've sold Aperture to pro photographers, they love it, but it's more than I need.
Mail has a few stability issues that Apple needs to fix. But overall, I like it better than anything else out there, including my old favorite Eudora. (ok, some days I still use pine. and I like pine. but pine isn't very good at dealing with the majority of email I get these days. stop sending HTML email, people. It's just wrong.)
And iTunes? I used it before it was iTunes, back when it was SoundJam. I liked it then, I still like it now. It doesn't deal as well as I'd like with a few things (my music is on my Mac OS X Server box, and I use the same library in 3 places. It's harder than it should be to manage that) but overall it's a great program, and it's better than anything else I've seen.
Acrobat isn't an Apple program. Apple doesn't ship it. You have to download and install something that doesn't work as well as what comes from Apple. Don't do that.
For sure it didnt work as planned. Actually I've never had any problems with 3g but after updating to 2.0.2 it broke my 3g functionality.
FE. its almost impossible to make any calls because they keep droppin all the time. Thank you apple.
This guy has been a huge apple fanboy and even he's turned against the iPhone http://pcmike.com/breaking/shame-on-apple-iphone-3g-is-sub-par
So you've uploaded a picture that's being managed by iPhoto to a neutral site like photobucket before? Because for me, that has on occasion been so unusable that I had to upload the photos straight from the external drive. Sorry, iPhoto is completely unintuitive, and it's been really flaky before with letting me edit and use a photo I brought over from photobooth.
Mail: So do you like how it darkens the background of the the subject lines in the view that lists all of your emails? Because it sure did that for me and Help was no help. Do you think it's acceptable for a Rules window in Mail to be uncloseable? In my case, it spilled over onto the dock so I couldn't click cancel to get out. NO, COMMAND-W DID NOT WORK, THANKS FOR ASKING, not that that would be acceptable anyway.
Do you think it's acceptable practice to make it look like my emails to others have photos embedded in the text, when in reality, the photos will only show up to them as separate attachments? Do you think it's acceptable to immediately and meticulously hide the actual email address I'm sending to and replace it with the person's name? (Yes, Having to double click on it is a big issue when all you have is a trackpad to move the pointer around with.)
Do you think it's acceptable that iTunes can't do something basic like play podcasts in chronological order automatically and starting from the first one you haven't listened to? Or that you need good reflexes to stop it from deleting your library when you plug into a new computer unless you have good reflexes?
Acrobat isn't an Apple program. Apple doesn't ship it.
No, but it damn well ships Safari. You know, the web browser that I'm supposed to access online pdf's with? And I know Apple is perfectly capable of implementing the PDF standard. So, to the extent that it makes "you must download Adobe to view this online pdf" the default option, yes it is fair game. Furthermore, on Windows, when Acrobat wants to update, I get precisely one warning -- when it starts. But on Safari (that's an Apple program, btw), I get the warning every 5 seconds, unless I have good enough reflexes to catch it in the one-second interval in which it pops up. So ... does Adobe just hate Windows? Why is it that Acrobat can be extremely useless and annoying on Mac but not Windows?
In the past, Apple users have given me HILARIOUS rationalizations for the user interface screwups I've found, and I can't wait to hear yours.
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
Settings -> Keyboard -> Enable Caps Lock
set it to on, and double tapping the shift will set caps lock.
You ruined my joke :(
But it's as funny in the ruining as in the telling. :)
So you've uploaded a picture that's being managed by iPhoto to a neutral site like photobucket before? Because for me, that has on occasion been so unusable that I had to upload the photos straight from the external drive. Sorry, iPhoto is completely unintuitive, and it's been really flaky before with letting me edit and use a photo I brought over from photobooth.
Sure. Just drag the photo from the iPhoto window to wherever you want it, including the upload dialog for a website. It just works, and if you think about it, it's VERY intuitive if you're not trying to do things the hard way. I can't address your flakiness from photobooth, I've never seen that fail to work perfectly.
Mail: So do you like how it darkens the background of the the subject lines in the view that lists all of your emails? Because it sure did that for me and Help was no help.
What are you talking about? I've never see it do that unless you've got a rule set to change the background color of a message - and you'd have to do that intentionally.
Do you think it's acceptable for a Rules window in Mail to be uncloseable? In my case, it spilled over onto the dock so I couldn't click cancel to get out. NO, COMMAND-W DID NOT WORK, THANKS FOR ASKING, not that that would be acceptable anyway.
Try command-period to cancel, or return to accept. Or hiding the dock. Yes, it's a bug. No, it shouldn't do that. I've written it up and submitted it to Apple - I hadn't seen it before today.
Do you think it's acceptable practice to make it look like my emails to others have photos embedded in the text, when in reality, the photos will only show up to them as separate attachments?
Yes. Those photos will show up as inline images on any mail reader that displays inline images.
Do you think it's acceptable to immediately and meticulously hide the actual email address I'm sending to and replace it with the person's name? (Yes, Having to double click on it is a big issue when all you have is a trackpad to move the pointer around with.)
That's actually a nice feature. It lets you know that person is in your address book. And you don't have to double click to edit the address, just click the triangle that appears to the right of the name. It's not a problem, it's the correct behavior.
Do you think it's acceptable that iTunes can't do something basic like play podcasts in chronological order automatically and starting from the first one you haven't listened to?
If you think it's a problem, write it up as a bug. I'm fine with it, I rarely listen to hours of podcasts all at once.
Or that you need good reflexes to stop it from deleting your library when you plug into a new computer unless you have good reflexes?
It doesn't do that. It asks if you want to replace the library.
Acrobat isn't an Apple program. Apple doesn't ship it.
No, but it damn well ships Safari. You know, the web browser that I'm supposed to access online pdf's with? And I know Apple is perfectly capable of implementing the PDF standard. So, to the extent that it makes "you must download Adobe to view this online pdf" the default option, yes it is fair game.
I'm calling bullshit on this one. I happened to have a clean install of 10.5.4 sitting here on a customer's machine. Safari doesn't say a thing about Acrobat. It displays the PDF, just like it's loading a web page. Acrobat is not installed on, and has never touched, that machine. It's not an Apple bug, it must be an Adobe bug.
Furthermore, on Windows, when Acrobat wants to update, I get precisely one warning -- when it starts. But on Safari (that's an Apple program, btw), I get the warning every 5 seconds, unless I have good enough reflexes to catch it in the one-second interval
Alright, so ~half your response is, "I didn't have it on my personal machine, therefore it does not exist." Not a good start. Let's look at the rest.
Sure. Just drag the photo from the iPhoto window to wherever you want it, including the upload dialog for a website. It just works, and if you think about it, it's VERY intuitive if you're not trying to do things the hard way.
HAHAHAHAHA! You're kidding, right? So, I'm in Safari. I want to upload to photobucket.
Windows: Click button, navigate a bit, double click, click upload.
Mac: Deny existence of any flakiness with download interface. Demaximize Safari Window. Drag it to the side. Resize it as needed. Open completely different program. Navigate to appropriate album somehow. Deminimize it. resize it so I can have Safari and iPhoto open at the same and relevant stuff is visible in each window. (Again, doing all of this with just a trackpad.) Drag photo over, requiring two hands, or extreme discomfort with one. Click upload.
And you you think your method is more intuitive??? More user-friendly? What a fucking JOKE.
Try command-period to cancel, or return to accept. Or hiding the dock. Yes, it's a bug. No, it shouldn't do that. I've written it up and submitted it to Apple - I hadn't seen it before today.
Yep: that's pretty much the story of your fanboyism. You don't actually *do much* with your mac, so you don't find inexcusable shit like this (yes, I eventually figured out how to hide the dock, something I never learned how to do, since i shouldn't have to), so you carry on like Macs are somehow the gold standard in interface design. Go fig.
Yes. Those photos will show up as inline images on any mail reader that displays inline images.
They didn't. I sent them to an Outlook user, and they weren't embedded so my email made no sense. I checked my outbox in Mail and it had stripped my formatting there too.
That's actually a nice feature. It lets you know that person is in your address book.
No, the fact that the full address popped up after just a few letters "let me know that person is in my address book", genius. Hiding the full address from my immediate view is NOT doing me a favor.
And you don't have to double click to edit the address, just click the triangle that appears to the right of the name. It's not a problem, it's the correct behavior.
What a NOBLE defense there, bro! Gosh, because it's a single click instead of a double click, I guess it suddenly becomes convenient to move the pointer all the way over to the "To:" line when using a trackpad.
If you think it's a problem, write it up as a bug.
And heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go again. Macs "just work" "out of the box" ... er, and you submit bug reports for a dozen violations of basic user interface design.
I'm fine with it, I rarely listen to hours of podcasts all at once.
LOL!!!!!! I can't believe you! Listening to TWO tracks of a podcast in a row somehow constitutes "listening to hours of podcasts all at once"??? You can't make this stuff up.
Let me guess: iPods aren't meant to be plugged into your car's stereo system, because who the hell needs that? Right?
I have never seen this behavior. I have seen many Macs with Acrobat installed, and the Adobe updater is buggy, but I've never seen it flash anything that would require good reflexes.
I was going to ignore this because it was your usual "verifiable screwups don't exist even though you can demonstrate them" [1]lie, but I'm just going to add here that I was indeed unable to view pdfs in Safari before downloading adobe, or I 100% guarantee you I would not have downloaded it. Plus, the warning system is 100% different on Windows.
Now you just s
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
Right now I own Motorola W510 -- very simple phone. I was thinking about buying a smart phone. Basically what I would normally be doing is -- storing my weekly schedule, phone numbers, and sync with Mac, or Linux. So, I would need something that will work with Linux & Mac.
Even veals have more autonomy!
I start using Mac last month, and I gotta say my relation with it is a love hate one. I will start with a good stuff here -- it is rock solid, although time to time it does need to be reboot. No virus, no spyware etc is an added bonus. 2nd biggest plus -- OSX at its core is unix based. I really love this stuff. Also ability to run linux based application is just takes my breath away. Bad thing, some mac users are very cult like -- say anything bad and ready to be flamed. Also, the price of its hardware is lot to be desire. I have same issue with iPhone, however, if it is Linux friendly I would buy it in near future.
Even veals have more autonomy!
You could configure it to only sync contacts and calendar over BT.
On the other hand, if it syncs continuously once it gets in range, it wouldn't be a problem if it takes 30 - 60 minutes to sync...
Either way, it should be a user choice.
For a company that is embraced by "individualists" and such, they have a rather strange aversion to letting it's customers choose for themselves.
/.Mattsson - My native language is not English, so please don't whine over linguistic errors. (That's lame anyway...)
I'm not going to bother quoting your reply, because now you're just being hostile.
As for problems not being on my personal machine, when I say "I've never seen it" it really means that on the thousands of Macs I've worked on over the years, I've never seen one exhibit that behavior. I fix Macs for a living.
As for iPhoto uploads, if you don't like doing it the Macintosh way, in 10.5 there is now a way of accessing the iPhoto library directly from the standard file open dialog in Safari. In the left pane of the standard file dialog in Safari, turn the triangle beside Media down, and you'll see Photos. You have direct access to your iPhoto library, browse to what you want to upload. That said, I'd rather drag from iPhoto to Safari, one handed, while using a MacBook, lying on a couch. I don't consider the trackpad I'm using to be an impediment.
As for the rest of it, since you bring up money, you've reminded me that I don't invoice anyone for posting to slashdot. So, if you'd like to pay me to help you troubleshoot the rest of your issues, I'll even give you a discount and only charge you $100 per hour.
[citation needed] that doesn't print an error. Please post a corrected link.
i am a soviet space shuttle
As for iPhoto uploads, if you don't like doing it the Macintosh way, in 10.5 there is now a way of accessing the iPhoto library directly from the standard file open dialog in Safari. In the left pane of the standard file dialog in Safari, turn the triangle beside Media down, and you'll see Photos. You have direct access to your iPhoto library
Yes ... if that interface isn't flaky (i.e. half the time).
As for the rest of it, since you bring up money, you've reminded me that I don't invoice anyone for posting to slashdot. So, if you'd like to pay me to help you troubleshoot the rest of your issues, I'll even give you a discount and only charge you $100 per hour.
ROFL!!!! I'm not posting for your troubleshooting help, genius. Troubleshooting is when something isn't working as intended, and needs some tweaks to get back that way. The stuff I've listed is working exactly as intended; it's just that the design really, inexcusably sucks. For example, the issue with the rules window in Mail covering the dock was not a failure on my part to configure my machine or software right. It resulted directly from Apple's design philosophy that told them not to have features that would have saved me there.
Second, the fact that it's so freaking expensive to hire someone to repair the numerous Mac problems should tell you a little something about whether Macs "just work".
Btw, I just added some videos to my Mac, and as usual, iPhoto hijacked them. Okay, well, iPhoto is where they should be, right? I go to iMovie and click on the item for "iPhoto videos" ... and nothing shows up! (even with "all clips" selected) Well, I just need to import from the place where obviously they should be, right? So, I go to help and type in "import video from iPhoto" ... and nothing! "import from iPhoto", for its part, tells me how to import photos as still videos.
Hey! That means I have to go on the internet to figure out how to do something basic on a mac ... AGAIN! (Yes, I supposed I could dig through the directory for the very deep place where it hides iPhoto stuff [which I'm never ever ever supposed to need to know], but I thought APPLE apps were all supposed to work together so SMOOTHLY. This ain't smooth, bro.)
It's kind of funny how you feel threatened when someone points out problems with Macs.
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
*sigh* You really aren't getting this, are you?
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Me: Um, those programs suck and lack basic functionality. They fail to meet basic UI guidelines.
You: OH!!! Well, GEEE, if you want to be so DEMANDING, so HIGH maintenance, and what to do advanced stuff like extract stills, then of COURSE you're supposed to buy the expensive software, what the hell did you expect out of OSX?
Me: But then I'm no better off than on Vista, where I have to buy expensive software
You: No, you don't need expensive software, you get what you need RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!
Me: *Falls out of chair*
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
What are they talking about? I am posting this comment from my iPhone with the new firmware, and I haven't noticed any prob/#$%#*CARRIER DROP*
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sounds to me like a lot of the problem is you don't really understand how your computer works and instead of figuring it out you just blame the computer. iphoto doesn't "hijack" pictures unless you tell it to grab pictures/videos off your camera and then also tell it to delete them off the camera. it won't just do it by itself, you've gotta click the "download" button or whatever.
*sigh* Looks like we got a slow one today.
Yes, I'm aware of all of that. I know that you don't have to let iPhoto delete stuff. And believe me, if the question of whether iPhoto has to delete stuff were the only problem, I wouldn't consider the claim of "Macs are the gold standard in user interface design" to be complete B/S.
The problem is that it's such a pain in the ass to do anything once iPhoto is the only place where your photos are. Or anything, in any program.
If you were right, that the problem is me just not knowing how to do stuff on a Mac, then whenever someone tells me how to do something on a Mac, it should be easier than the method I tried myself and complained about. RIGHT? But what do we see instead? Mac fanboys telling me "the" easy way ... and that method being much harder than it would be on Windows, or what I ended up using ... and then hearing a convoluted rationalization why it's "really" easier!
Seriously -- look at the explanation DarkVader gave for how to upload to photobucket: First, I have to use a method that wasn't even available until '07 (years after MacBooks were released). Then he gives instructions that require HELLO, ANYONE HOME THERE? opening a completely different app, resizing two windows manually, and then dragging an object, something that's a pain to do with a trackpad.
Admit it: Macs are NOT the gold standard. They're the arsenic standard.
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.
Try to look through your haze of frustration. Your photos needn't be in iPhoto - hell, I don't even -have- a copy of iPhoto on my macbook. All it requires is you not clicking 'import' when you plug your camera in. You can even set up iPhoto (I know, it's so difficult, bear with me) to not open automatically when you plug in a camera.
Look in Applications for an app called Image Capture, it'll take images/videos off your camera and dump them in whatever folder you tell it to.
And as for your issue with dragging things between windows, set up expose. If I had iPhoto, dragging photos out of it is as simple as picking up the photo in iPhoto, dragging into the corner to see all windows, hovering over whatever window I want, then dropping it once it's focused. Or if you're really that hard up about trackpad use, it's as easy as clicking the photo and holding as if you were going to drag it, then pressing whatever key the expose all windows key is (on mine it's F9, on the newer ones it's F3 or something), then hovering over whatever window you want.
I'm not a mac fanboy, I use whatever works, and you can use whatever the hell you want. But I really don't see how having to navigate some 'file open' dialog to upload a picture is easier than dragging an object (photo) and dropping it onto another object (upload box). If you can't work a trackpad, use an external mouse. If you can't figure out how to drag things between windows without resizing them, maybe you should just sell the macbook and buy a Vista box. At least it'll baby you through it.
Try to see through your own haze of ignoring everything I say. Look, I KNOW HOW TO UPLOAD STUFF FROM A CAMERA WITHOUT ADDING THE PICS TO IPHOTO. That's not the problem. Please, get it through your goddamn head. Don't make me say it again.
Second, dragging stuff is not very comfortable on a trackpad as I've explained umpteen times, so dragging to the corner and back isn't a very useful suggestion. Third, I can't always use a mouse, and carting it around with me is another inconvenience. Wasn't the whole point to avoid inconveniences?
Fourth, yes, I can use a different app for the images, but my point is that Mac fanboys are WRONG to claim that iPhoto somehow makes things easier, that I can just (as someone claimed) give photos to iPhoto and use that as the platform for anything I'd ever want to do. (hah!)
Fifth, if I used the F9 method, I still have to open a separate app, and rearrange my existing windows, adding irritating steps to what should be a simple procedure.
Sixth, I don't use Vista and wasn't claiming it was better, nor would you replace a notebook computer with a "box". (FWIW, I have an XP desktop machine at home in addition to the Mac, and haven't had anything CLOSE to the avoidable frustrations I've had on a Mac, and, more importantly, they usually don't go away upon learning more stuff.)
Seventh, whether or not I know how to drag things between windows, it doesn't follow that I'm too stupid to use a Mac, nor that Vista is somehow better.
8th, looking up and configuring and learning Expose counts as another inconvencience, further refuting the claim that Mac are better at user interface design.
To repeat: please focus on the general point I'm trying to make, that the Mac way of doing things turns out to be much harder and more uncomfortable, even and especially if you know the "right" way to do it on a Mac!
Information theory is life. The rest is just the KL divergence.