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iPhone Nano To Be Launched By Christmas?

the-s-dog writes writes to mention that while there have been many people wishing on a star for an iPhone nano, it seems that at least one UK news pub is confident that it will happen, and in time for this Christmas no less. Still completely unfounded rumor, but an interesting possibility. "Apple is about to launch a 'nano' version of the hugely successful iPhone. It is expected to be in the shops in time for Christmas. The product will be launched in the UK at up to £150 for pay-as-you-go customers by O2, the mobile phone group owned by Spain's Telefonica. 'This will be a big one,' said an industry source."

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  1. iPhone Slider by e03179 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When does the iPhone Slider with QWERTY keyboard launch?

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    1. Re:iPhone Slider by StreetStealth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If Apple ever does offer an iPhone with a physical keyboard, it won't be a new version of the phone, and it definitely won't have hinges, slides, or latches.

      It will be an accessory. Most likely a minimalist Bluetooth-based slab that you set out on the desk.

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    2. Re:iPhone Slider by Fross · · Score: 4, Informative

      As soon as you try the current iPhone keyboard for more than 10 minutes and see it actually is REALLY good.

      As a long-time Treo 600/650 user I was really sceptical about not having a proper keyboard, but the fact is that I (and everyone I know who has tried it for a while) got used to it surprisingly quickly, 3 days at most I'd say, and now can type on it about as fast as I could my Treo. At first the predictive text (which I have to say is better than most) helped, but now I simply don't make that many mistakes.

      Comments implying it's unusable without a physical keyboard just perpetuate the fallacy that there is no other alternative. There's just stubborn people, the same ones who last generation refused to adapt to touch-tone phones, broadband, automatic gearboxes, digital synths, electric shavers, you name it. Welcome to being a Grumpy Old Man ;)

    3. Re:iPhone Slider by bluemonq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Had an iPhone for a 8 months. Sold it, got a Blackberry Curve instead. The problem with the keyboard is not that it's unusable. I can type out words with it: usable. The problem is the lack of feedback, which leads me to pressing much harder than I need to, which leads to sore thumbs after more than just a few text messages. And I don't like that clicking noise either.

    4. Re:iPhone Slider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Um, that clicking noise IS the feedback. You just can't adjust.

    5. Re:iPhone Slider by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Had an iPhone for a 8 months ... The problem with the keyboard is ... [it] leads me to pressing much harder than I need to, which leads to sore thumbs after more than just a few text messages."

      let me get this straight, you claim the problem with the iPhone is that 8 months was insufficient time for you to learn to stop pressing so hard that it causes you physical pain!?

      I don't think Apple is to blame for you having less capacity for learning than a pet.

      reductio: I have the same problem with silent desktop keyboards. there's no sound to let me know when to stop pressing so by the end of the day I'm just pounding my bloody fists through the table just to hear the click of my shattered bones rattling about.

    6. Re:iPhone Slider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd pay upwards of $400 for an iPhone that lets me teleport between parallel universes.

    7. Re:iPhone Slider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trusting that keyboard's "peck and pray" for WPA keys really sucks.

      even better is the lack of cut and paste.

      sorry, this isn't "grumpy old man" so much as "the goddamn thing doesn't work."

    8. Re:iPhone Slider by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      As soon as you try the current iPhone keyboard for more than 10 minutes and see it actually is REALLY good.

      As a long-time Treo 600/650 user...

      I would imagine that damn near any smartphone would come out ahead when compared to the stinking cesspool that is the Treo 650.

      That's like saying "When comparing the iPhone to, say, a stick in the ass with sandy Vasoline used as lube, the iPhone is REALLY good".

      Not that the iPhone isn't good. Just saying that the Treo 650 made baby Jesus cry.

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    9. Re:iPhone Slider by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      P.S. I use touch-tone phones, I have had broadband for over a decade, my car has automatic transmission, there is a digital synth in the room I'm in right now, and I haven't used a safety blade to shave my face for at least 20 years.

      However, I still like tactile feedback so that I can push buttons without looking. That doesn't make me old and unadaptable, that just means I have a preference that a touch-screen device does not meet.

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    10. Re:iPhone Slider by Repton · · Score: 1

      Download WritingPad from the App Store. For my money (ok, the app was free :-) ), it's even better than Apple's text entry method.

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    11. Re:iPhone Slider by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Comments implying it's unusable without a physical keyboard just perpetuate the fallacy that there is no other alternative. There's just stubborn people, the same ones who last generation refused to adapt to touch-tone phones, broadband, automatic gearboxes, digital synths, electric shavers, you name it. Welcome to being a Grumpy Old Man ;)

      We have a saying: youth is wasted on the young.

      - Electric shaver sucks. I can only guess you're either too young to shave, or a hairy hippy.
      - Manual shift gives you better feel/control.
      - Nobody can afford analog synths unless they're loaded.

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    12. Re:iPhone Slider by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So it was you all along!

    13. Re:iPhone Slider by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Wow. I thought you were gonna say it's really _bad_. I've had an iTouch for several months and I can't stand the keyboard. It's too small, it's slow to type on, and it keeps changing what you type it because it _thinks_ it knows what you're trying to type in, but it seems to have a more limited dictionary than my Verizon cell, so it never gets it right. Not to mention the fact that touchscreens in general are horrible because you can't feel the keys. My cell is an LG VX9800 (aka the Verizon En-V) with a full QWERTY keyboard - the buttons are about a quarter the size of the buttons on the iPhone keyboard, yet I can type several times faster on it. Even though I rarely use it (I usually use the front number pad).

      Don't get me wrong, I _love_ the iTouch for it's apps (I've had mine jailbroken for a while - it's great), but the keyboard is horrible.

    14. Re:iPhone Slider by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      God Damn! I wish I had a funny mod to spend on your last paragraph!

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    15. Re:iPhone Slider by SerpentMage · · Score: 2, Informative

      The lack of tactile feedback is actually as user interface issue. Humans do need tactile feedback as it is something that tells the mind to STOP pushing or doing something.

      By saying, "oh this is not Apple's fault, but your own" is being a typical Apple drone where if it does not work then something is wrong with you. Guess what people Apple is not the end, just another solution.

      BTW one of the reasons you need a keyboard is that a keyboard with its tactile feedback requires less accuracy than say a keyboard like in the Apple. With a non-tactile feedback keyboard it is absolutely important to align your fingers with the coordinates of the keyboard. Whereas with a tactile feedback keyboard your fingers can adjust just as they touch the keyboard. You don't notice this behavior, but it does happen.

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    16. Re:iPhone Slider by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      My problem is the size of the keys. I have fat fingers, and without tactile feedback, it's hell trying to fit the tips of my finger into the space for a key.

      Me, I'm looking at a Nokia E71 instead.

    17. Re:iPhone Slider by emj · · Score: 1

      The lack of tactile feedback

      Can they just us the vibrate funtion in some ingenious way then?

    18. Re:iPhone Slider by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      ... "oh this is not Apple's fault, but your own" ...

      Actually, a friend told me his G3 used to come up with the error "it's not my fault" occasionally.

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    19. Re:iPhone Slider by Candid88 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but I simply disagree. I've found typing text messages on the iPhone to be far slower than my old phone's conventional keyboard.

      I also think using touch to tell if a key has been pressed is far more efficent than using a ever-so-slightly delayed audio sound.

    20. Re:iPhone Slider by Fross · · Score: 1

      Assuming your fingers are rounded and not completely fat, it isn't an issue. The screen reacts as soon as the tip of your finger touches it (and helpfully shows which letter you're on by popping that up above, so that if you hit the wrong one you can drag to the correct one)

      Ironically the space for each key on the iPhone interface is larger than that on most physical keyboards on mobile devices, eg Treos

    21. Re:iPhone Slider by Fross · · Score: 1

      Whatever your opinion on how good the Treo is overall, I was referring specifically to the keyboard, which has been universally praised for its utility in the restricted space, especially with its bevelled keys, slightly curved design, and so forth.

      Certainly I could type a lot faster on it than most other people I knew could on similarly sized devices, and I managed to adapt to the iPhone keyboard well, which is the issue.

    22. Re:iPhone Slider by Tano · · Score: 1

      Bad idea - the keys on the E71 are smaller than the ones on the iPod Touch (same as the iPhone's) virtual keyboard...

      Just a warning, I've used both, and on the iPod Touch I can type normally (albeit annoyingly slow compared to a normal keyboard), but on the E71 I can barely press the keys, as my fingers are too big for them. Not to mention that they're also incredibly rounded, making them easier to miss in my case.

      That's not to say normal people wouldn't be able to use it - it's just that if you think the iPhone keyboard is too small, then choosing the E71 is a grand step backwards.

      I suggest going to a shop and trying the E71 first, for a longer time - try typing a mail, or a longer note, and see how it fits ; Don't just order it online, you might be really disappointed...

    23. Re:iPhone Slider by vertseven · · Score: 1

      Touch tone phones? That figures. I haven't owned a land line phone for over 8 years.

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    24. Re:iPhone Slider by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      As soon as you try the current iPhone keyboard for more than 10 minutes and see it actually is REALLY good.

      As a long-time Treo 600/650 user I was really sceptical about not having a proper keyboard, but the fact is that I (and everyone I know who has tried it for a while) got used to it surprisingly quickly, 3 days at most I'd say, and now can type on it about as fast as I could my Treo. At first the predictive text (which I have to say is better than most) helped, but now I simply don't make that many mistakes.

      As a long time Treo user and new IPhone user as well, (650-700p-700w-700wx) I agree with your keyboard comments. Once you adapt to teh idea that lifting the finger releases the key, not the press, it is a remarkably good keyboard.

      Apple makes stuff that works well - it's the first phone that I've heard people who used to think a phone is a phone say "I love this phone, I won't use any other;" beacuse Apple has the user experience down.

      It has its quirks - no cut and past, no tethering, can't edit word or excel (it's the first phone I would actually try to use as a mini-pc; Docs to Go was just too painful for anything but writing a first draft). I'd also like to be able to customize it more - set blackout times on weekends so I don't get emails ( so I can have that thing rumored to be a life), synch tasks, record videos, to name a few. I trust Apple will add features,especially those for busienss use, with new software releases, as eveidenced by teh addition of Exchange.

      I wish it had HWR - but after living throught the Nevtin, Nowton, err Newton's HWR I can understand Apple's reluctance to risk aggravating iPhone users.

      Finally, Apple understands tech support - my phone died yesterday. Went to teh Apple store, no appointments available. teh guy in orange signed me up for a walkup - 10 minutes later Jill was helping me. Two hours later, my phone was working - turned out ATT screwed up the SIM activation. Did Jill say - go to ATT? No, she got me a new SIM and solved the problem.

      Jill at the Grove in LA - you are a godess.

      Comments implying it's unusable without a physical keyboard just perpetuate the fallacy that there is no other alternative. There's just stubborn people, the same ones who last generation refused to adapt to touch-tone phones, broadband, automatic gearboxes, digital synths, electric shavers, you name it. Welcome to being a Grumpy Old Man ;)

      There is a difference from refusing to adapt and believing taht just because something is new that it is automatically better. New technology has it's own limts - ever dial a touch tone phone using the hook? Navigated a ship when LORAN-C was not able to lock or you can't get a GPS signal? Keeping old capabilities while using new ones is a good thing, IMHO.

      Finally, if you like cars, driving performance car with a stick on a windy country road is a joy not to be missed.

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    25. Re:iPhone Slider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for that useless fact about your pathetic life.

    26. Re:iPhone Slider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be one of those people who doesn't quite "get" touchscreens. (I don't mean this to be insulting in any way, I hope it doesn't come across as such -- some people just seemed to be "programmed" for physical keys).

      I see it all the time with those touchscreen kiosks at movie theatres. . . people stand there pressing there finger or thumb harder and harder into some onscreen button wondering why it doesn't react. Touchscreen buttons need to be tapped, not pressed. The button event will fire when you take your finger off of it.

      Those screens are NOT pressure sensitive.

    27. Re:iPhone Slider by teh+kurisu · · Score: 1

      I've never had a problem telling whether a key has been pressed on an iPhone or Touch. The touchscreen is sensitive enough that if I can feel the screen with my finger, the key has been pressed.

      (In fact, the reverse problem with my work Nokia N95 causes me no end of frustration - sometimes the buttons 'click', but the hardware doesn't register the key-press. Bad feedback is worse than no feedback.)

      The real problem with the soft keyboard is that you can't feel the location of the keys before you press them.

    28. Re:iPhone Slider by Fross · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I thought I would miss cut and paste more than I have, because I used to use it a lot on the Treo. E.g. someone texts you someone else's number, you copy and paste it into a new contact etc. Or, you have a note you wrote to yourself and want to add it as a text to someone. But the iPhone's interface is compensates for this very well, generally allowing you to move this sort of data around without needing to copy and paste - that's genius. I'm sure it only works 95% of the time, but I'm surprised I've not missed the feature.

      As for the other ones you mention, I'm sure they will come in time. Tethering is certainly in the birthing process right now ;)

      For your email blackout, why not just turn off Push for that time? Sure it's not automated, but easy to get to.

      Finally, Apple understands tech support - my phone died yesterday. Went to teh Apple store, no appointments available. teh guy in orange signed me up for a walkup - 10 minutes later Jill was helping me. Two hours later, my phone was working - turned out ATT screwed up the SIM activation. Did Jill say - go to ATT? No, she got me a new SIM and solved the problem.

      Jill at the Grove in LA - you are a godess.

      Have to agree with the quality of that - I had a strange MobileMe/iPhone bug on launch, aside from all the service unavailability :) Push would just turn itself off until the email account was removed and restarted. As it was so new, the tech support guy didn't know the solution either, but worked with me for 20 minutes or so to diagnose it. I really appreciated that instead of being fobbed of or being told "dunno" by a vacant sales monkey.

      There is a difference from refusing to adapt and believing taht just because something is new that it is automatically better. New technology has it's own limts - ever dial a touch tone phone using the hook? Navigated a ship when LORAN-C was not able to lock or you can't get a GPS signal? Keeping old capabilities while using new ones is a good thing, IMHO.

      Finally, if you like cars, driving performance car with a stick on a windy country road is a joy not to be missed.

      Oh, absolutely. Interestingly enough, the list includes some things I much prefer the old version of (eg, wet shaving), but some I prefer the new of too. The point is I *tried* them all enough to decide I preferred one over another, which I think everyone needs to do before they discount something. Sometimes it surprised me too (I wish I preferred electric shavers, so much more convenient) There are a lot of very entrenched bigots out there, and closed-mindedness is the most unfortunate thing.

    29. Re:iPhone Slider by teh+kurisu · · Score: 1

      If you were getting sore thumbs, you were pressing way too hard. The feeling of your finger touching the screen should have been feedback enough, the screen is that sensitive.

      And the clicking noise can be turned off, Settings -> Sounds -> Keyboard Clicks. Turning it off was the first thing I did when I got my iPhone.

    30. Re:iPhone Slider by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I thought I would miss cut and paste more than I have, because I used to use it a lot on the Treo. E.g. someone texts you someone else's number, you copy and paste it into a new contact etc. Or, you have a note you wrote to yourself and want to add it as a text to someone. But the iPhone's interface is compensates for this very well, generally allowing you to move this sort of data around without needing to copy and paste - that's genius. I'm sure it only works 95% of the time, but I'm surprised I've not missed the feature.

      As for the other ones you mention, I'm sure they will come in time. Tethering is certainly in the birthing process right now ;)

      For your email blackout, why not just turn off Push for that time? Sure it's not automated, but easy to get to.

      Hmm, I still haven't fiqured out how to move data - the downside of having no printed manual to read.

      turning off push works; I just liked the Treo's ability to select when to receive Push email and when to not to.

      As big a palm fanboy as I am; unless they come out with some real improvements in the next generation Treo their day may have passed; especially once other major US carriers get iPhones. At $199 it's now a viable alternative to Treos; if they implement Blackberry Connect RIM will be next in Apple's sights; although by implementing Exchange Activesync their letting MS make RIM less relevant. As one boss I admired said - if the 800lb gorilla will fight your battle for you, let it.

      Oh, absolutely. Interestingly enough, the list includes some things I much prefer the old version of (eg, wet shaving), but some I prefer the new of too. The point is I *tried* them all enough to decide I preferred one over another, which I think everyone needs to do before they discount something. Sometimes it surprised me too (I wish I preferred electric shavers, so much more convenient) There are a lot of very entrenched bigots out there, and closed-mindedness is the most unfortunate thing.

      I think we're in violent agreement here - as my mom used to say - "Don't say you don't like something until you try it." Interetsingly enough; it works both ways - some people are so enamoured of the new that they refuse to give the old a second look; or act like you're some kind of a Luddite becasue you respond to their "you really should use this" with "Why? What I have works fine,is reliable, and does exactly what I need." That's the flip side of the grumy old man.

      And, Mom, if your reading /.; I still hate cooked tomatoes.

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    31. Re:iPhone Slider by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      That is some pretty creative thinking... You should patent that. Ooops Slashdot...

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    32. Re:iPhone Slider by TheSync · · Score: 1

      The problem with the keyboard is not that it's unusable. I can type out words with it: usable. The problem is the lack of feedback, which leads me to pressing much harder than I need to, which leads to sore thumbs after more than just a few text messages. And I don't like that clicking noise either.

      iPhone 2.0 software now makes the letter you press appear next to the key you press, which is a nice visual feedback.

      (also for those who don't know, the key click can be turned off)

      The Blackberries I had all had horrible web browsers compared to the iPhone. But they were a bit more sturdy.

    33. Re:iPhone Slider by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      It has its quirks - no cut and past

      You call it a quirk, I call it a bug, no different to if it didn't have a Delete key, for example. If any other phone missed out on fundamental features, it'd be a laughing stock if there were nonetheless so many stories about it on Slashdot - but because it's Apple, it's seen as worth sacrificing.

      I trust Apple will add features,especially those for busienss use, with new software releases, as eveidenced by teh addition of Exchange.

      That's just it though - I expect a phone to Just Work, and not have to wait until Apple decide for me that I need those features.

    34. Re:iPhone Slider by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      If you've ever actually stop and notice how your hands grip things, you'll notice that while you're typing on an iPhone, you're pushing against your other fingers, which are holding the back of the phone. Now, I don't know the size of your hands, but mine are large enough I cannot comfortably grip the back with anything more than maybe the first knuckles of my index and middle fingers.

      Try holding an iPhone like that; maybe you'll get up to the second knuckle. Regardless, notice that when typing different letters in different positions, there will be torque. So what do you do? You grip it tighter. Coupled with the fact that I was typing on a $400 phone that I paid cash for, I subconciously kept a larger force than I needed to.

      Contrast it with the Blackberry Curve. Still fairly small, still fairly expensive. The difference? A physical keyboard where the keys sank in, letting me know, "Hey Mac, that's far enough." Besides sparing my thumbs, I could text without looking at the damn thing. Or were you one of those folk who insisted on looking at the keypad when you dialed?

      By the way, desktop keyboard? Feedback from the membrane/springs. Try typing withone of those laser-projected keyboards for 15 or 20 minutes. I can guarantee your hands won't be as comfortable as if you had used a physical keyboard.

    35. Re:iPhone Slider by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      Yes the keys on most physical thumbboards are smaller than the iPhone virtual thumbboard (usually in the vertical axis). The difference? On thumbboards like the Treos, they're slightly rounded, so you can feel the separate keys. Even if your thumb covers up three keys (as mine does all the time), you can figure out which direction to nudge your thumb to activate a particular key.

    36. Re:iPhone Slider by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      I remember that on some car audio receivers they had touchscreens that gave you the sensation of something pushing back when you pushed buttons. Don't remember how they did that, but at least for typing I feel that would be more optimal.

    37. Re:iPhone Slider by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      Not offended, just mildly amused since I'm typing this on a Fujitsu P1620 (has a passive digitizer) and a Treo 800w (ditto). Despite what some of my detractors may have said, I have found that it IS possible to touch the screen on an iPhone too lightly. Oh, sure, the phone could have been lagging every single time I touched it really lightly. Doubt it though.

      With the 800w, the resistive touchscreen is just flexible enough that I can feel the give when I tap on something. The touchscreen of the Fujitsu has palm-rejection technology (for inking with), so I end up having to use a fingernail when I use my fingers on the screen. The fingernail itself flexes a little bit, providing the feedback I need.

    38. Re:iPhone Slider by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      I did turn off the clicking (which I found irritating when typing at high speeds).

      Whenever I started typing, I would tell myself to stop pressing too hard. While it worked in the beginning, I'd go on auto-pilot soon enough while thinking about what I was writing.

    39. Re:iPhone Slider by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >By saying, "oh this is not Apple's fault, but your own" is being a typical Apple drone

      hey I got to +5 so less of the "typical" thanks.

      with technology, sometimes a little effort and learning is required from the user.

      and there will always be people who are unwilling or unable to adapt. basically, 'old' people.

      do you honestly think it's all on Apple (or anyone else) to develop better products with no demands on users to make small efforts to use them? I'd say 'grow up', but once again, that's more of the attitude of an 'old' person.

      think of something interesting and 'futuristic' like the Minority Report interface. you'd be the guy bitching that your arms get tired and your eyes start to hurt because of the low contrast. true enough, but just because we don't like listening to you bitch doesn't make us 'drones' (hint: you're the one droning... [ho ho ho]).

      at the moment, all Apple is asking from its users is:
      1. have opposable thumbs
      2. rely on visual and/or audio feedback from keys instead of touch*
      3. use the suggestion/correction software instead of always trying to hit every key
      I think that's reasonable.

      don't agree? don't buy it. but don't bitch from the sidelines that no one's given you your flying car yet - it was scrapped when the focus group complained it was 'too weird and difficult' to not feel the road underneath them.

      * incidentally, the iPhone DOES provide touch feedback: when I'm not touching it, I don't feel it. when I do touch it, I feel it. sure, this isn't any guarantee my touch has been correctly recognised but the exact same thing can be said for 'physical' keyboards where the feedback contains no information about which letter key was pressed (f/j aside) or how that press was interpreted by software. so let's not start getting all teary eyed and nostalgic:

      "back in my day we had REAL keys. you could type 500 words a minute all day long without the slightest ache AND we didn't need no newfangled software to help us..."

  2. Oh, how user friendly! by Major+Blud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "One expert suggested the nano phone would have a touch wheel on the back and display on the front so that numbers would be dialled from behind." I can't even fathom how hard it would be to try to use something like this. If this were the case, it would mean that there is no touchscreen, otherwise you would just dial directly from the screen. This is a rumour that I expect will never come to fruition, given the current price of the 3G.

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    1. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by p0tat03 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not to self: Never let financial market speculators design a phone. Clearly they are retarded in this respect.

    2. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno, depending on the size, position, etc. I could see that being really easy...

      Move finger/wheel up for higher digit, down for lower digit, one tap for "Next Digit" two taps for Dial, but it would work a lot better with a "real" wheel, like a mouse wheel where it has that resistance between each scroll/click.

      You could dial, while the phone is already next to your ear, dial without even looking at it, dial while looking at the screen (instead of it being covered by your finger) etc.

    3. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Geez...with the price drop, it isn't that expensive anymore.

      From what I see on the 'nano' version of the phone, from the description, why would anyone want one? Sounds just like a normal phone...not a smartphone, which is what makes the iPhone interesting. And smart phones can only get just so inexpensive....

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    4. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One expert suggested the nano phone would have a touch wheel on the back and display on the front so that numbers would be dialled from behind.

      It would appear that their "expert" is not an expert in technology products, but in hallucinogenics, where trippy higher-dimension flying rainbow cow eyes on the tips of your disconnected fingers could make this quite plausible, and super-enjoyable to boot.

    5. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by polle404 · · Score: 0
      I'd believe in a iPhone Shuffle before this.

      A Nano, aimed at pay-as-you-go customers?
      these are not the customers Apple usually target, and when has Apple ever tried to target any low end marked, such as a pay-as-you-go phone usually is?

      this is inventing news, where none are...

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    6. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      I imagine whatever guy in the office came up with this rumour decided to throw in some of (Microsoft's?) "see-thru tablet PC" idea for good measure.

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    7. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      People really love this touch sensitive back idea. It seems like it would be a good contender for the worst UI ever. And seeing as how I can't think of a single successful device that uses that system....

    8. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by piltdownman84 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe apple is bringing back rotary dialing. You spin the click wheel on the back and the dial spins on the screen on the front. Hopefully it will make all the clicking sounds that those old phones did.

    9. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by GigG · · Score: 4, Informative

      Already out as an App. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284926166&mt=8 Sorry have to have iTunes to see it.

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    10. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by PacoCheezdom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or, you could use a touch-wheel to dial a phone number like ... a rotary phone dial! It would be such a novel concept.

    11. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by davidlowie · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about a dial with numbers 0-9 on it, with small holes next to each number. To input a particular number you would place the included stylus into the corresponding hole, then turn the dial clockwise until it stops. Upon releasing the stylus, the dial will return to its resting position, and your chosen digit will appear on the screen.

    12. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw, on Slashdot I think, a technology that was touch and hover sensitive on the back and showed the position of your fingers on the screen. So in one sense it's better than the iPhone because you're not obscuring what you're working with.

    13. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      I know your being funny/sarcastic... but thats not a bad idea either, for most people it would be difficult, or rather clumsy, but for blind people, it would be good, they can feel the digit their finger is on, rotate etc... although you could do the same with with a scroll, it would just have to be bigger (like briefcase/suitcase combo-lock style) or a rolling conveyor belt (not a good idea)...

      Personally, I still prefer the 10/12 button "square"... but still can see the wheel being a decent idea, plus it has other benefits, like scrolling the webpage/text/etc...

    14. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      What? A rotary dial on a phone? It'll never happen.

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    15. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      lol @ own comment "but still can see the wheel being a decent idea"

      Yeah shit, someone should invent the wheel already FTW!

    16. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by sexconker · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know, if you gave a rotary phone to an average teenager, they'd be unable to make calls.

    17. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 1

      Nokia already did that. Check out the Nokia 7380.

      I love how Nokia beat Apple at their own game. They made a form-over-function phone, using something Apple is known for (the touch wheel), and with Scandinavian coolness in place of Apple pretentiousness.

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    18. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by orasio · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why it is insightful a comment that basically just states your lack of imagination.
      The display can show your finger as you slide it, so you know which button/hole you are tapping/dialing.
      That's the whole idea. I know touch interfaces are not that great, but there are ways to make them work, somewhat. They have been very successful with the old iPod. It doesn't have to be a good interface, it just has to be easy to learn, and well marketed.

    19. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall that came from Microsoft Research (you know, the guys that don't do anything but copy and steal).

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    20. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by El+Icaro · · Score: 1

      Except it's a piece of crap. Not easy to get used to.

      I doubt Apple will go with it. You can say what you want about the on-screen keyboard, but Apple's interface is the best from all the phones I used.

      You'll complain and say your Blackberry or your Windows-based device gives you more power, and I agree, but it definitely isn't as enjoyable to use.

    21. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by orasio · · Score: 1

      Are you saying my girlfriend is unsuccessful? Who are you to judge her?

    22. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by orasio · · Score: 1

      You don't need to be a genius to think of that. I posted the same thing in this thread, and I had never seen anything like that.
      I don't mean I am _not_ a genius, but still. It's just obvious.

    23. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded funny? This is insightful! I knew a 16 year old kid who was trying to dial by pressing the numbers in a rotary phone - and this was 8 years ago.

    24. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Facegarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you give a Windows Mobile phone to the average 50 year old, they'd be unable to do much of anything. Just saying.
      -Taylor

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    25. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you give a Windows Mobile phone to the average 50 year old, they'd be unable to do much of anything. Just saying.
      -Taylor

      Yeah, but a hip 15 year old couldn't do anything with Windows Mobile, either.

    26. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not hearing a down side.

    27. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We NEED to get rotary phones to all the average teenagers right away then!

    28. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by korean.ian · · Score: 1

      If you give a Windows Mobile phone to the average 50 year old, they'd be unable to do much of anything. Just saying. -Taylor

      Yeah, but a hip 15 year old couldn't do anything with Windows Mobile, either.

      So really you're saying that nobody can do anything with Windows Mobile except losers?

    29. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I love how Nokia beat Apple at their own game.

      Except they didn't. Nobody's heard of that Nokia thing; everybody's heard of the iPhone. I wonder how the sales numbers of each stack up against each other?

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    30. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like an ideal phone from a parents point of view, kid can't make any calls, kid can't make a massive bill.

    31. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah! How many WM bashers have actually used it? I've stuck with WM for the last 5 years (multiple phones) and it's both very nice to use and rock-solid reliable.

      And yes my wife has an iPhone and yes I've used it a lot and yes I still love Windoze Mobile. :)

    32. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by n3tcat · · Score: 1

      Or they would just pull out their cell phone instead.

      Just sayin...

    33. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      How about a dial with numbers 0-9 on it, with small holes next to each number. To input a particular number you would place the included stylus into the corresponding hole, then turn the dial clockwise until it stops. Upon releasing the stylus, the dial will return to its resting position, and your chosen digit will appear on the screen.

      Done, except the iPhone doesn't support a stylus.

    34. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by chrispugh · · Score: 1

      You could dial, while the phone is already next to your ear, dial without even looking at it, dial while looking at the screen (instead of it being covered by your finger) etc.

      I can do all that on my N95, all through the magic of PHYSICAL BUTTONS! They're going to be the next revolution in communications, I assure you.

    35. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by netrage_is_bad · · Score: 1

      I want to see someone text with a rotory dial. I think it would be amusing....

    36. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by timftbf · · Score: 1

      Not at all - your girlfriend has exceptional market penetration.

    37. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by shadow349 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how the sales numbers of each stack up against each other?

      I know for a fact that the Nokia outsold the iPhone G3 during the first 10 days of July this year.

    38. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since when was that a bad thing?

    39. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by teh+kurisu · · Score: 1

      this is inventing news

      This is the Daily Mail. I would not put it past them.

    40. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Me? I used it for 3 years, including a year of bashing the iPhone on its feature set. Now i have an iphone, because even hacking an iphone to run non-approved code and then installing a few apps is easier than finding and installing (and then using) that stuff for windows mobile, even though you don't have to hack it. The interface is terrible. I don't want to use a stylus. I mean, i'm not downright opposed to them, but i shouldn't have to use a stylus to dial a number, and after like 6 failed attempts at trying to dial my parents one night while driving, i decided fuck it, i'm leaving. Unless i was standing completely still, i always had trouble dialing with my fingers. That particular problem is largely hardware related, but the interface doesn't freaking help. Even if i had succeeded in making that call, i would have needed a stylus to turn on bluetooth or speakerphone, etc. That is really annoying when i am trying to do things quickly. Also, i still haven't seen a browser that's better than the iPhone's (though the new opera mobile might come close), but even then, i would have has to wait all this time for this release of opera (the old one wasn't all that great in my opinion).

      Oh yeah, and the phone crashed every day, and needed hard resets every few months.

      Windows mobile is just shitty and old. Maybe when WM 7 comes out i will feel different, but by then android will be out, or i'll just get a 3G iPhone.
      -Taylor

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    41. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Everyone's heard of Nokia (even without all the free advertising and spam that Apple get for their phone). The only difference is that because Nokia make more than one phone, people tend not to remember every single model of phone they make.

    42. Re:Oh, how user friendly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor could the average slashdot user do anything with a naked female.

  3. My only question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my only question:

    will it come with a bag of cheesy poofs?

  4. Move along, nothing to see here by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the Daily Mail, FFS. They're as gullible as they are deranged.

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    1. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

      Amen.

    2. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by TeknoHog · · Score: 0, Troll

      What kind of a word is "gullible"? Have you checked the dictionary?

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    3. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by ATMD · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those across the pond who haven't heard of the Daily Mail, they're pretty much our equivalent of Fox News. They'll publish any story if they think it'll sell papers, but they usually play on Joe Public's apparent dislike of immigrants, gays, people whose skin is too dark, etc.

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    4. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fox news is quality journalism compared to the Daily Fail.

      Think the National Enquirer with a racist agenda and you're getting somewhat close.

    5. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by socz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      hhahahahahah Then that's pretty bad, dude.

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    6. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by ATMD · · Score: 1

      Haha, "Daily Fail" - I haven't heard that one :)

      I call it the HateMail sometimes, because that's pretty much all they peddle...

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    7. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's so much a racist agenda as it is a "let's see just how much we can shock people" agenda.

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    8. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Syrente · · Score: 1

      What the parent said - The Daily Mail are always lampooned for reporting exaggerations, mistruths and downright lies!
      http://www.voiceoftheturtle.org/dictionary/dict_h1.php#hurrah for instance, and...

      They report a lot of things out of context... for instance compare
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7471724.stm
      with
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1027990/Invasion-bobby-snatchers-Police-helicopter-close-encounter-UFO.html
      and then tell me you can trust them?

    9. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It is an English word.

    10. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think the National Enquirer with a racist agenda and you're getting somewhat close.

      Fox News is exactly what you are thinking of.

    11. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Das+Modell · · Score: 1, Troll

      You mean they publish politically incorrect information? Gasp! How dare they!

    12. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      Think the National Enquirer with a racist agenda and you're getting somewhat close.

      And the Daily Mail is WORSE than that???

    13. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by tomblag · · Score: 1

      For those across the pond who haven't heard of the Daily Mail, they're pretty much our equivalent of Fox News. They'll publish any story if they think it'll sell papers, but they usually play on Joe Public's apparent dislike of immigrants, gays, people whose skin is too dark, etc.

      They are not the equivalent. They are Fox News. Rupert owns the Daily Mail.

    14. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think the National Enquirer with a racist agenda and you're getting somewhat close.

      Oh, so it's like a British version of Fox News?

    15. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by fbjon · · Score: 1

      You mean they publish politically incorrect information? Gasp! How dare they!

      No, just plain incorrect information, apparently.

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    16. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Winders · · Score: 1

      In the words of Lord Northcliffe, its original owner in the nineteenth century, "it was written by office boys for office boys".

    17. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by ATMD · · Score: 1

      Actually he doesn't, although you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise. Instead he owns the Times (upmarket right wing) and the Sun (downmarket, more right wing, with breasts), and last I checked he part-owned BskyB, which runs the UK's satellite broadcasting racket, has its own cable/satellite TV channels (including Sky News which, while having a higher quality of journalism than Fox, seems to show clips lifted directly from Fox News on a regular basis - or it did last I checked). It's now also one of the country's biggest ISPs.

      The Mail seems to have remained pretty much independent, (according to Wikipedia it's owned by Associated Newspapers Ltd), which allows it to be more racist, hate-provoking and hypocritical than NewsCorp could ever get away with - resulting, apparently, in one of the biggest circulations of any one newspaper in the country today.

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    18. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by acb · · Score: 1

      Or the Daily Heil. (They were, infamously, quite fond of Hitler in the 1930s.)

    19. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

      There is a reason that rag is often known as The Daily Hate Mail over in this country - everything is, according to them, the direct fault of gays, immigrants and non-whites.
      Especially house price collapses, they LOVE to take on "and read how this will affect the value of your home" to every article they dredge.

      To accept the Daily Hate Mail as a source fo tech news woudl be utterly stupid.

    20. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Das+Modell · · Score: 1

      I like how I got modded troll for no apparent reason.

    21. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      It's the Daily Mail, FFS. They're as gullible as they are deranged.

      Yes, but unless these iPhone Nanos are:

      • Being smuggled in by illegal immigrants
      • Being used by convicted pedophiles to exchange indecent images
      • Being given away by "Loony Left" councils (at taxpayers expense) to young offenders as a reward for not stealing any cars this week
      • Programmed to automatically censor the lyrics of "Baa Baa Black Sheep".
      • Not programmed to automatically censor the lyrics of Eminem tracks
      • Responsible for the huge rise in knife crime (or rather the apparent rise in knife crime now that any scuffle outside a pub anywhere in the land in which something shiny is wielded now counts as front page national news)

      ...then I can't for the life of me work out why the Daily Mail would be bothered to make it up, so it might even be true!

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    22. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He isn't exactly a rightist either, since he was a supporter of Tony Blair for a long time. Rather, Murdoch's first, last and only principle is Sir Rupert.

    23. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Das+Modell · · Score: 1

      Anything that's politically incorrect is automatically painted as factually incorrect.

    24. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 1

      Because "politically incorrect" is generally used to smear people?

    25. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by Das+Modell · · Score: 1

      So now I was smearing the Daily Mail instead of makign a point in its favor?

      Wow. Just wow.

    26. Re:Move along, nothing to see here by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      (Don't forget whether it will affect house prices, or whether it's made by gypsy lesbians!)

      It might be true, it might not. The point is, the source is unreliable, and speculation is not news. If this was anything other than Apple, people would be ridiculing it as vaporware.

      Will it run Duke Nukem Forever?

  5. iPhone SJ version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    When does the Steve Jobs version ship? The one with the brain implant that lets you control and direct the iPhone with your mind? Oh wait. Crossed wires there. That's actually the version that has the brain implant but you can only do what Steve Jobs tells you to do...no, wait. Or is the version with the home lobotomy accessory? I get so confused. I keed! I keed! I'm hankering for the next iteration of the iPod touch myself. mm hmmm. hmm hmmmm hahahahHhAHAHah! I worked in "touch myself"!~!! I rule. No seriously. I want an iPod touch for the apps and wifi but I don't want to pay the $30+ a month for always on access.

    1. Re:iPhone SJ version by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      Why, it could only be a touch with fewer features?

    2. Re:iPhone SJ version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The all new iPod Touch-Myself, comes preloaded with a huge assortment of pornographic wallpaper, and the ringer can only be set to "vibrate." ...I can't wait!

    3. Re:iPhone SJ version by orasio · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have the version from Steve's long lost sister, Brenda. The iPhone BJ seems as a strong contender.

    4. Re:iPhone SJ version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in august 22, 7 countries will have iPhone

  6. Predicting its success by bonch · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm going to base my prediction of its success on the comments to this article, since Slashdot mocked both the original iPod and the iPod nano before they went on to become huge sellers and icons of our pop culture.

    What will it be, Slashdotters? Do you hate it? If you do, does that mean I should buy more Apple stock?

  7. iPhone Dick Tracy Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear the iPhone Dick Tracy Watch will be shipping in time for Kwanza and that the iPhone Shoe will be available for fans of Steve Carrel just after Ramadan.

  8. Au contraire, mon frere by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Funny

    'This will be a big one,' said an industry source."

    No. It will be a tiny, tiny, tiny one. One billionth the size of an iPhone. So small you will need a stylus the width of just a few carbon atoms in order to dial out.*

    It is, after all, an iPhone nano.

    *But that's ok, you can compensate for the tininess of your stylus by the smugness of owning the latest and greatest Apple offering.

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    1. Re:Au contraire, mon frere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Amy, did you inhale your phone again?" -- Leela

    2. Re:Au contraire, mon frere by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      So small you will need a stylus the width of just a few carbon atoms in order to dial out.

      Dude, next time you shrink yourself, make sure you hold on to the iPhone when you make yourself big again. After all, that instruction manual^W^W iPhone is irreplaceable!

      Now go put your red suit away.

    3. Re:Au contraire, mon frere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *But that's ok, you can compensate for the tininess of your stylus by the smugness of owning the latest and greatest Apple offering.

      Or a Corvette, that seems to be a popular compensation method too.

  9. Insider knowledge... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The new iPhone nano will not include a qwerty keyboard, as the new form factor would not allow it. I'm posting anon for obvious reasons, but as an Apple insider I will inform you that there is "slider" technology -- you see, the new form factor is a closely-guarded secret because it will be the must-have gadget of all Apple fans: it's a butt-plug! Yes, the gadget which all Mac users secretly desire but were afraid to ask for. What did you think they wanted to do? Pick up WOMEN? The female Maccies could simply use their imagination to put the iPlug to good use.

    1. Re:Insider knowledge... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol

    2. Re:Insider knowledge... by claytonjr · · Score: 1

      The new iPhone nano will not include a qwerty keyboard, as the new form factor would not allow it. I'm posting anon for obvious reasons, but as an Apple insider I will inform you that there is "slider" technology -- you see, the new form factor is a closely-guarded secret because it will be the must-have gadget of all Apple fans: it's a butt-plug! Yes, the gadget which all Mac users secretly desire but were afraid to ask for. What did you think they wanted to do? Pick up WOMEN? The female Maccies could simply use their imagination to put the iPlug to good use.

      Too late: http://www.ohmibod.com/ (NSFW)

    3. Re:Insider knowledge... by TravisO · · Score: 1

      Well at least the iPhone will have an optional iReachAround that makes the plug more versatile.

      As for as the Zune is concerned, you have to buy a 3rd party plug component and download the DoesntCallBack system update, and that's not really as fun.

    4. Re:Insider knowledge... by hcoal · · Score: 1

      The female Maccies could simply use their imagination to put the iPlug to good use.

      Females don't have butts too?

  10. So iPhone Shuffle is next? by tjansen · · Score: 4, Funny

    No display, and dials random numbers.

    1. Re:So iPhone Shuffle is next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This wasn't even funny in January 07 when I heard it the first million times...

    2. Re:So iPhone Shuffle is next? by catwh0re · · Score: 4, Funny

      My broken Nokia has had this feature for years, APPLE NEVER INNOVATES.

    3. Re:So iPhone Shuffle is next? by piltdownman84 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Well at least you'll have an accuse for drunk dialing your ex girlfriend. "The phone did it honest, I was trying to call Josh, but while your on the phone I miss you, do you miss me too..." CLICK "... are you still there? Hello? Hello? Stupid iPhone Shuffle!"

    4. Re:So iPhone Shuffle is next? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that it's only got 1 button.

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    5. Re:So iPhone Shuffle is next? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Followed by the iPhone micro. It's a set of wireless headphones with no base unit. You have to supply the music by humming and both sides of the phone conversation.

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    6. Re:So iPhone Shuffle is next? by joe170 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they'll release one in this (apple leaked!) form factor:

      http://brent-noorda.blogspot.com/2007/08/apples-new-ipod-freestyle-to-good-for.html

      The ipod freestyle.

    7. Re:So iPhone Shuffle is next? by yabos · · Score: 1

      That's a year old and the pics are still there. So I highly doubt that's actually real. If it was then the pictures would have been gone within hours.

  11. Screenless cellphones... by dotancohen · · Score: 1, Interesting
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    1. Re:Screenless cellphones... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Now I feel old. Until I was in junior high almost no phone had a screen. Including the luggable car phones.

      Now a screenless phone is a novelty, and Slashdotters don't think it will work.

    2. Re:Screenless cellphones... by earnest+murderer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It'll have a screen, but this is the most compact delivery of a truth I've seen around here in a while.

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    3. Re:Screenless cellphones... by socz · · Score: 1

      "Effective January 2007 the retail price of the Owasys 22C in the United States is $549.95. This is the price when the 22C is purchased without telephone service."

      hahaha can anyone explain to me why it would cost so much? My PPC 6800 costs less than that! And it has a full touch screen and a slide out keyboard.

      That's just CRAZY!

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    4. Re:Screenless cellphones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a specialized cell phone for blind people, with the custom user interface you would expect in it. So, basically, FAIL.

    5. Re:Screenless cellphones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's so bad about it? this one says it was designed for blind users. why would they need a screen?

    6. Re:Screenless cellphones... by puppyfox · · Score: 1

      It's a specialized phone for blind people with voice activated commands only. The price is not that crazy if you consider that.

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    7. Re:Screenless cellphones... by ip_fired · · Score: 1

      Good Grief! That phone costs over $500 without a contract (or $250 with a two year contract with T-Mobile). If you need a screenless cellphone that bad, buy a cheap nokia bar phone and put electrical tape on the screen.

      That has *got* to be a joke.

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    8. Re:Screenless cellphones... by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      Thing is, Jobs thinks buttons are stupid. So no screen, and no buttons... makes for a rather interesting interface (unless you `talk' numbers into the phone).

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    9. Re:Screenless cellphones... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I saw a phone like that. Everything went through the voice interface. I can't remember where it was. Maybe it was one of those cutting edge Japanese ones. Since I haven't seen anything like it again, I suspect it didn't work out so well.

    10. Re:Screenless cellphones... by socz · · Score: 1

      So i can have our robotic overlord read slashdot posts to me, but i can't get a cellphone to read me the caller id? my moms home phone has that function... on by default hahaha it never shuts up "CALL FROM..."

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    11. Re:Screenless cellphones... by socz · · Score: 1

      yeah i understand it's for blind people, and yes i know its not a great example to compare to, but my phone will do the same exact things that phone can do. (But only because it's a PPC)

      I just feel they're robing their customers because it's for special needs, and that's never cool.

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    12. Re:Screenless cellphones... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Blind people can't use those, the phone gives no feedback apart from the screen.

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    13. Re:Screenless cellphones... by bubblejet · · Score: 2, Informative

      I work in a research lab that develops technology to be used by the blind. The price of this phone doesn't surprise me at all. I'm not familiar with this specific phone, but when designing a system like this, a lot of work goes into making the design easy to use for a blind person. Because it is such a specialty product, the cost of design and manufacturing is spread out among fewer people. It's unfortunate that devices like this end up costing so much, but trust me, I don't know anyone who's getting rich by making these things.

    14. Re:Screenless cellphones... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      what's so bad about it? this one says it was designed for blind users. why would they need a screen?

      Actually, this one which is designed for blind users really does fill a need. I found it while gooling for another model, that was a real flop. I still cannot find the one I'm looking for.

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    15. Re:Screenless cellphones... by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Thing is, Jobs thinks buttons are stupid.

      That explains those shirts!

      So no screen, and no buttons... makes for a rather interesting interface (unless you `talk' numbers into the phone).

      Maybe it is a Guantanamo Bay model: you get what you want out of it by punching and kicking it.

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    16. Re:Screenless cellphones... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      If it makes you feel any better, I remember when the old cell phones were the size of an adult forearm and before that, when the battery was a separate unit the size of a backpack.

      We still used little black books to keep track of our contacts back then. I actually had nine or ten numbers memorized, that I could recite and dial on the fly. Nowadays, I'm lucky to even be able to incant my home phone without hesitating.

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    17. Re:Screenless cellphones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just feel they're robing their customers because it's for a handicap, and that's never cool.

      Fixed that for ya.

    18. Re:Screenless cellphones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      User: Baka!
      Phone: calling Steve Ballmer.

    19. Re:Screenless cellphones... by puppyfox · · Score: 1

      I also worked in a research lab (ASU's CUbiC, to be precise), and I second your assessment. It LOOKS like your phone does those same things, but if you actually have someone with special needs try and use it, they will have numerous challenges. Also, phones without a subsidized phone service cost almost that much too! Smartphones normally run $500+ without a contract.

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    20. Re:Screenless cellphones... by socz · · Score: 1

      I do understand how it's spread amongst less people. But i guess i just don't know how much R&D really costs. Having a manufacturing background i have an idea of what it costs to make batches of phones. SO that's why i always feel people (we) get burned.

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  12. Who cares what experts suggest. Stop speculating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they make it, the interface will be thoughtful.
    1/2 of any product they make is shiny interface.

    If they can make it actually WORK without issues, exploding, 6 hour signup lines or AT&T requiring a pint of blood upon purchase is the question.

  13. This might once have been possible by StreetStealth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Before Apple had announced the SDK, an iPhone Nano might have been a possibility. The mockups of an abbreviated Apple Touch interface floating around hint at the plausibility of getting the basics of the iPhone UI into a smaller package.

    Post-SDK, however, there's no way that's going to happen. The varying hardware feature set (camera, microphone, etc.) between the iPhone and iPod Touch are already diverse enough to make software marketing a bit dicey, but I can't see Apple introducing a major new variation to the UI for smaller screens along with a whole new set of targeting constraints for developers.

    Perhaps there is yet one way an iPhone Nano could exist: No App Store compatibility.

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    1. Re:This might once have been possible by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Sounds plausible to me. One of the big draws of the iPhone is its selection of apps, and they wouldn't want to cannibalise that. An iPhone Nano which just came with the iPod, phone book, and web browser features would be nice and distinct.

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    2. Re:This might once have been possible by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The varying hardware feature set (camera, microphone, etc.) between the iPhone and iPod Touch are already diverse enough to make software marketing a bit dicey

      If you poke around the API you will find that Apple has included ways to check the existence of various hardware capabilities (as well as network connectivity). Presumably they've already thought about devices that support different hardware profiles. For example, it is ill-advised to try and initialize the camera without first checking if it is available.

      but I can't see Apple introducing a major new variation to the UI for smaller screens along with a whole new set of targeting constraints for developers.

      Doubtful they will, but the same UI will work at different resolutions and screen sizes. I suspect the people who have hard-coded the screen width into their apps will be screwed at SOME point.

    3. Re:This might once have been possible by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One has to ponder the idea that the next IPod Touch might come with a camera and maybe a GPS.
      Why not make your touch your camera as well. A camera on a media player isn't any dumber than on a cell phone.

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    4. Re:This might once have been possible by BRSloth · · Score: 1

      Well, we won't need to hardcode sizes if the iPhone SDK had a layout manager of sorts...

    5. Re:This might once have been possible by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've been guilty of hardcoding these things as well. The lack of a real layout manager is a pain point that will TOTALLY ASPLODE the moment Apple starts changing the UI...

    6. Re:This might once have been possible by korean.ian · · Score: 1

      Samsung has these already:
      Samsung i80

      but no web browser of course, and no appstore (or alternatives).

    7. Re:This might once have been possible by Anpheus · · Score: 0, Troll

      You should know by now that Apple doesn't really care how they hurt the developers because their marketing team says the demographic of Apple software developers consists entirely of people who either need to do it merely to survive and/or pay off college debt (subsistence programming, look into it sometime) or masochists. And the users are all zealots.

      As a result, no transition is too small for them to undertake.

      *grain of salt*

    8. Re:This might once have been possible by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's quite a bit smarter than on a cell phone. Play/record media makes much more sense than play media/make phone calls.

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    9. Re:This might once have been possible by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      Who modded the parent troll? Seriously, I'm a regular Apple developer. I write apps for both OS X and iPhone, and what the guy is saying is generally true.

      Apple has piss poor support for their programmers. The quality of their documentation (or lack thereof) is perfect reflection on their philosophy: you will code for us whether you like it or not, because people use our hardware

      Compare with MSDN, that has *superb* documentation, great developer support, and a never-ending flow of sample code, dev guides, and every resource imaginable to make a dev's life easy.

      The way MS has treated 3rd party devs in the past has always been a symbiotic relationship. You make great apps for us, we'll support you in your task, and more people are locked into our platform. Everyone goes home happy.

      Apple on the other hand has always done what they want, and forced developers to commit huge resources into keeping up, just because they feel like it. This has afforded them the luxury of being technologically up-to-date, at a heavy cost to their 3rd party developers, who get no love at all.

    10. Re:This might once have been possible by Anpheus · · Score: 1

      Or more concisely, with respect to the iPhone developer program:

      FUCKING NDA.

  14. Skrew making it smaller by Gat0r30y · · Score: 1

    What it really needs is a bottle opener - seriously apple, get on it.

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    1. Re:Skrew making it smaller by dubbreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      What it really needs is a bottle opener...

      Isn't Zima in screw-top bottles?

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    2. Re:Skrew making it smaller by Gat0r30y · · Score: 1

      Ouch.
      Seriously, that is just fucked up man.
      I wouldn't drink Zima if it was poured into my mouth off Lindsay Lohan's ass.
      Wait, maybe I would.
      Still ouch man.

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    3. Re:Skrew making it smaller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did you expect when you used gayboy as a handle on /.?

  15. If it looks like it, and smells like it ... by wpanderson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Techcrunch reckons this is bullshit meant to drive traffic. I'm inclined to agree.

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    1. Re:If it looks like it, and smells like it ... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      It's in the Daily Fail. Of course it's bullshit - they don't print anything else.

    2. Re:If it looks like it, and smells like it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but, isn't Techcrunch itself "bullshit meant to drive traffic"?

      The amount of false stuff they publish (Digg + Google) just re-inforces that.

  16. I'll just wait for the... by elguillelmo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    iPhone Shuffle. Makes random calls. No display. Think indifferent

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    1. Re:I'll just wait for the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for being the one millionth person to think of this.

  17. Interesting. by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 1, Funny

    I've never read a post by someone who has just drank the Apple Cool-Aid before.

    1. Re:Interesting. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It was surprisingly bitter.

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  18. Zoolander's iphone by DerekSTheRed · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of Zoolander's phone. Good to see they are finally selling it to the masses and not just the male models.

  19. I'm holding out... by olyar · · Score: 1

    for the iPhone Flea

    One song and 5 phone numbers - that's all I need.

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  20. Where's The News? by justin_ramos · · Score: 2, Informative

    This isn't news. It's rumor and speculation with absolutely no source cited. For shame, Slashdot...

    1. Re:Where's The News? by wattrlz · · Score: 1

      It's obviously part of a conspiracy to leverage /. to generate even more iHype. Maybe the rumor was started by someone whom ScuttleMonkey owed a favor?

    2. Re:Where's The News? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Your expectations appear to be hilarious.

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    3. Re:Where's The News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here.

  21. Re:oh well by DerekSTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a blackberry and my wife has an iPhone. I am very jealous of her iPhone. The speed of the internet alone makes me want to dump my blackberry and get a new 3G.

  22. In Other News by Chris_Rank · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple is also coming out with the iUnicorn 6G and (Now with Horn!) it will be ridable, require no feeding, able to fly, and it will shoot rainbows out of it ass while it cures cancer and AIDS in the onlookers below. Look for the iUnicorn 6G in Apple Stables starting this Christmas for a starting price of 299, 399 with glitter.

    1. Re:In Other News by MarkovianChained · · Score: 1

      OMG PONIES!!!1

    2. Re:In Other News by LearnToSpell · · Score: 1

      That's ridiculous. Do you even have a source for that? 399, and you don't even say what currency. Dollars? Euros? AppleBuc- wait, it COMES WITH GLITTER? Dammit, why haven't I heard about this?! There's probably a line outside the Apple store already! I'd better head down there.

  23. Re:oh well by wattrlz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, the biggest complaint I hear about blackberries is that they work. People get blackberries and feel like they are somehow more reachable - even to the point where it now impinges on their downtime.

    In my experience most people don't complain about their iPhones because they realize they are making a compromise by buying one. "Gee, it's closed and I can't install apps on it like my other phone... Oh well, it's an iPhone! I downloaded an update and now it's bricked... Oh well, it's an iPhone!" etc. ad absurdum. It's kind of like a smoker of tobacco, "Yeah, I know it will kill me, but I like smoking! Yeah, I know it's expensive and I'll be reviled, but I like smoking!" Nothing else matters 'cause the user has his fix.

  24. Jokes aside by nine-times · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there will be several jokes and some Apple bashing, but putting all that aside, I think this could be a pretty good idea, but wonder which direction this would go.

    I would bet that somehow, somewhere, some functionality will be sacrificed. For example, they could combine an iPod Nano with a phone, give you no games or apps, and even sacrifice contacts/calendars. Or, the less expected route (but I think better) would be to give a phone that sacrifices the iPod functionality (no music/video), but still give you email, web, and PIM functionality.

  25. The Daily Mail?! by Peregr1n · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh for Christ's sake - when will Slashdotters learn, the Daily Mail is nothing more than a comic? I realise most contributors here are American and can't be expected to know the wide ranging differences between British news rags, but our tabloids like the Mail can be trusted as far as you can throw a UFO. If an 'inside source' really did leak this story, and nowhere else but the Daily Mail has reported it, it's because everyone else has laughed the source out of the door.

  26. What the... FSCK!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who the fsck let an article from the Daily Mail be published on the front page?

    Are you mental? Seriously?

    What next, The Sun's views on world politics being put there.

    Stop! Now! Screw in your craniums quick!

  27. Re:Call Jesus? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

    If you get one bundled with a Sovietel subscription, Jesus calls YOU!!!

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  28. Re:Bend over Apple Luvers... by socz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I disagree, it isn't flame bait... My reaction to the title of this article was "YES! They're gonna get screwed AGAIN!"

    No one is perfect, but damn, apple keeps burning its customers with phones! I'm too cheap and poor to be buying the latest phone, but at least my HTC mogul (aka titan, ppc 8600) has lasted a while and held it's value more or less over time.

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  29. Re:oh well by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    ""Gee, it's closed and I can't install apps on it like my other phone... Oh well, it's an iPhone!"
    Yes you can.
    "Oh well, it's an iPhone! I downloaded an update and now it's bricked... Oh well, it's an iPhone!" etc. ad absurdum."
    I don't think Apple invented that one.

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  30. Just as long by cloakable · · Score: 1

    As they don't ever release an iPhone Shuffle ;)

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  31. Internet on PAYG by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    How much will internet access cost on Pay As You Go? It seems like a lot of the features of the iPhone rely on having a network connection, but at current rates it would cost you an awful lot to make use of them on a PAYG contract.

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  32. iPhone Femto and iPhone Shuffle by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    iPhone Shuffle: Just drunk dials from your address list. Switch setting to dial in order or random.

    iPhone Femto: So small no one but smart people can see it. And you don't have to speak. You just imagine the conversation.

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    1. Re:iPhone Femto and iPhone Shuffle by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 1

      Also: iPhone Rotary. Think Nokia 7380 with an extra dose of pretentiousness.

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    2. Re:iPhone Femto and iPhone Shuffle by JerkBoB · · Score: 1

      JibJab's take on downsizing the iPhone...

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    3. Re:iPhone Femto and iPhone Shuffle by Firehed · · Score: 1

      You mean the gag image in the original iPhone Stevenote?

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    4. Re:iPhone Femto and iPhone Shuffle by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Also: iPhone Rotary.

      You were saying?

    5. Re:iPhone Femto and iPhone Shuffle by Varun+Soundararajan · · Score: 1

      wish I had mod points ..
      Femto was the best of all :-)

  33. iPhone one-button by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    iPhone one-button: just a button and 15 digit numeric display. You dial it by setting it like you would a digital alarm clock. Just hold the button down while the digits count up, stop when it gets to the number you want to dial. If you miss, you gotta go around again.

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    1. Re:iPhone one-button by monktus · · Score: 1

      It has one button but it's a 5, since that's the number you use the most, yeah? It's gonna be total fucking Mexico.

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    2. Re:iPhone one-button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about time Morris and Brooker made made a second series of Barley. With only 6 episodes of Peep show a year there just isn't enough funny stuff on any more.

    3. Re:iPhone one-button by m00seb0y · · Score: 1
    4. Re:iPhone one-button by tigersha · · Score: 1

      It also has a Morse-code setting that you can use to either dial or SMS.

      Old hands at Morse can easily outgun a teenager on a keypad with SMS in any case so this might not be a bad idea.

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  34. Re:oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iphones and all apple products are for arrogant, self important douchebags

    Haha. Everyone knows that blackberry users are #1 when it comes to douchebaggery.

    and who the hell knows why all the major news networks feel the need to report on it.

    Because it's a slow news day, journalists are very lazy and like when a prepackaged story drops into their lap, and journalists also get free iphones from uncle Steve.

    But seriously, blackberries are better by far.

  35. Viral advertising posing as news by spleen_blender · · Score: 4, Informative

    This "article" is advertising. Why the hell would you give apple free advertising on the front page. At least MS pays for a banner. Keep your guard up people, advertisers spend about as much money as the government on psychological studies of the public so they know how to get under the radar of most people.

  36. The girl in TFA... by everynerd · · Score: 1, Informative

    Has robbed my ability to post anything worthwhile to this discussion.

  37. All i want by Reed+Solomon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is for a nokia style flip phone with an original iphone style scrollwheel and monochrome or minimalist screen similar to regular ipods, that uses mini-SD memory. that's all. Is that too much to ask for?

  38. p90 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the iphone nano is just a big stylus for the plain iphone.

  39. Re:Will the quality be any better? by SevenSpirits · · Score: 0

    Hmm. Are you aware that you're an imaginary entity?

  40. Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real question we should be asking is: "Will it blend?"

  41. Re:oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wife??

  42. Re:oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a blackberry and my wife has an iPhone. I am very jealous of her iPhone. The speed of the internet alone makes me want to dump my blackberry and get a new 3G.

    Or you could wait 2 weeks - the new blackberry bold with 3G comes out then.

    Unlike apple, blackberries don't restrict what you can do with them.

    Want to tether your iphone to your laptop? Sorry, big brother apple won't let you. Uncle Steve knows what's best for you and the iphone experience(TM).

    Want to tether your blackberry to your laptop? Go right ahead, with USB or bluetooth. RIM even provides helpful instructions.

  43. iPhone Duo by russoc4 · · Score: 1

    Two buttons. 0 and 1.

  44. I could believe "Nano Touch" MP3 player but phone? by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    I seriously doubt there will be a phone.
    A new nano mp3 player which is basically a small touch, yes, no problems believing that however.

    I'd put this rumour in the very unlikely basket

  45. Bricked by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

    You keep using that word, "bricked". I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    1. Re:Bricked by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Quite. Software-only problems cannot "brick" a device. To truly brick a device that device must be no more useful than a brick, a paperweight. A bricked device requires non-trivial hardware replacement to un-brick, if that's even possible.
      To brick you iPhone (one method) open it up, take a soldering iron to it, desolder everything, grind the components up, fix them in glue, and glue them inside. Put it back together. The iPhone is now bricked. Note the presence of a hardware problem, and not a software-only issue.

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    2. Re:Bricked by wattrlz · · Score: 1

      Forgive me. I'm only using the terminology I overhear from our local iPhone users. I'll use air-quotes next time, K?

    3. Re:Bricked by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

      I have a better idea. You and all the other poor souls with a "bricked" iPhone, just send them to me. I'll pay the postage.

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  46. But seriously - how about a big iPhone? by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    As stated the nano version is probably vaporware. Every time is see an iPhone I think "Jeebus, that's a tiny screen." How about one the size of a Kindle?

    It's Design 101 - Big screen good, small screen bad.

    1. Re:But seriously - how about a big iPhone? by dafing · · Score: 1
      you think the iPhone screen is small?

      Have you ever seen a normal cellphone? Some cheap ones still have screens about a quarter the size of the iPhones. Ive never seen a screen like the iPhones before, some Sony PDA style phones maybe in size and resolution BUT NOT TOUCH SENSING and COVERED IN "scratch proof" GLASS.

      I love Apples remote app, its free, you use it to control iTunes on your computer through wifi. I just wish it could stream to the iPhone too, hope thats in the next os bit, under iPhone mode it would have "steamed media" etc. It would be cool if there was a paid service for radio, streaming over 3G/wifi, not that I would use it, but it could be a good idea, kinda like sat radio.

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  47. Rumours are not news by tsa · · Score: 1

    This belongs on Digg, not /..

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  48. Re:Bend over Apple Luvers... by konohitowa · · Score: 1

    Well, last I checked no one was requiring anyone to buy every phone as it becomes avail. Show some restraint.

    As to value, I was gonna buy 5,000 of the original iPhones as a long term investment, but my broker managed to talk me out of it. Really - who buys a cell phone thinking it's going to be an investment? I have a drawer cluttered with a couple of StarTACs (analog & digital), some Qualcomm thing, my old Samsung, who knows what else. I suppose I should get around to tossing them, but I'm really hoping they'll appreciate. Yeah. That's it.

  49. WM = pile of steaming **** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Windows Mobile I have come to a new understanding of "rock-solid reliable".

    I've been developing on it for a couple of years now and I'm indeed fortunate if the OS stays alive for the whole of a day (even when I don't use it).

    Reliability varies with different incarnations, but my assessment is that it is not fit for purpose.

    I think that impressions of reliability will differ with the pattern of usage and which phone/version. However, a friend of mine recently changed jobs, swapping a blackberry for a WM6 smartphone and expressed desperation at the poor reliability, eventually discarding the phone.

    On the plus side (from a developer's point of view), it is relatively easy to get your software running on it. But I would love to be able to change platforms as I find WM so depressing. Perhaps microsoft will eventually come up with something better?

  50. Re:oh well by bowlman · · Score: 1
    Nice one... I'll bite.

    Actually, the biggest complaint I hear about blackberries is that they work. People get blackberries and feel like they are somehow more reachable - even to the point where it now impinges on their downtime.

    Thing is... the blackberry's primary function is to serve as a business tool and it is designed that way. the iPhone is something that anyone who uses an iPod (there's a lot of em) will understand. You're comparing apples(pun intended) with oranges.

    "Gee, it's closed and I can't install apps on it like my other phone... Oh well, it's an iPhone!

    Um... there are about 1000 apps in the appstore that can be installed and how they are the delivered via iTunes or directly to the iPhone is the most user friendly yet.

    I downloaded an update and now it's bricked... Oh well, it's an iPhone!" etc. ad absurdum.

    Updates can only potentially brick iPhones if they have been jailbroken. If you're going to frick around with the firmware of a device using code from someone other than the manufacturer... well.. you're asking for trouble aren't you.

  51. Sorry, that is ridiculous by Fross · · Score: 1

    The iPhone keyboard has tactile feedback.

    That is, assuming your fingertips are not devoid of sensation.

    You feel the screen against your fingertip - that's it, you've touched it. It is practically impossible to touch it too lightly.

  52. AGAIN! by intothemiddle · · Score: 1

    Slashdot "sometimes you have to go outside" to read newspapers that may contain as much 'news' as slashdot.

    Can rename it to rumourdot? Or slashrumour? Perhaps slashtruths may be more appropriate though.

    In other news "Duke Nuke'm Forever may be available to play inside the flying car, click on my adverts for further details".

  53. Re:oh well by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I have a blackberry and my wife has an iPhone. I am very jealous of her iPhone.

    Just wait til she's asleep and steal it. She'll never know whodunnit.

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  54. Quote from Yes Prime Minister by scipiodog · · Score: 1

    This sort of thing always reminds me of this:

    Jim Hacker: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers:

    * The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country;

    * The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country;

    * The Times is read by people who actually do run the country;

    * The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;

    * The Financial Times is read by people who own the country;

    * The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country;

    * And the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

    Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read the Sun?

    Bernard Woolley: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.

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  55. There aren't enough flavor-aide jokes by wattrlz · · Score: 1
    OK, I'll rebut.

    Thing is... the blackberry's primary function is to serve as a business tool and it is designed that way. the iPhone is something that anyone who uses an iPod (there's a lot of em) will understand. You're comparing apples(pun intended) with oranges.

    The blackberry's primary function is to allow people to communicate. The iPhone's primary function ... is to make money, but that's unfair ... is, ostensibly, similar. The value of the interface is subjective. Of course some people will like it and some people will worship it to the exclusion of all else, but contrary to popular belief, not everybody.

    Um... there are about 1000 apps in the appstore that can be installed and how they are the delivered via iTunes or directly to the iPhone is the most user friendly yet.

    While there are plenty of apps available one of the top three iPhone complaints I hear on a daily basis is that an app that is available for jailbroken phones isn't available, or that Apple's draconian restrictions prevent an app from functioning in a useful manner. I'm sure it's very easy to use, but I believe that's all for nothing if what you get out of it is utterly insufficient.

    Updates can only potentially brick iPhones if they have been jailbroken. If you're going to frick around with the firmware of a device using code from someone other than the manufacturer... well.. you're asking for trouble aren't you.

    How soon we forget.

  56. Old School... by DorkRawk · · Score: 1

    The scroll wheel interface from the iPod/iPod nano form factor seems to lend itself to the resergance of... rotary dial!

  57. Re:Bend over Apple Luvers... by hobbit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Absolutely: it isn't flamebait because if you don't buy the latest phone from Apple, they will actually anally rape you. </sarcasm>

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  58. New Formfactor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will be followed by the iPhone Shuffle, which will be of course, be a suppository.

  59. tag story vaporware by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    Agreed - and to refer to the earlier post, "experts" is common Daily Mail speak, almost always used without references or even being attributed to who these experts are. It typically means "actually we don't have a clue who says this, but we'll say 'experts' to make it look convincing".

    If this was any other product speculation, it would be branded vaporware. And to add to that is the fact that it comes from an unreliable source such as the Daily Mail. But because it's Apple, it gets lapped up here on Slashdot...

  60. tag dailyfail by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    Yeah - I find it curious (and worrying) that whilst British mainstream news articles posted tends to be from the BBC or the broadsheets, and Slashdot wouldn't touch tabloids with a bargepole, the Daily Mail is an exception. It makes me embarrassed to be British when I see it quoted on International sites, and read by people who have no idea of what the newspaper is like.

    I suggest we start tagging these articles "dailyfail", so that we know what the source for them is.

  61. Re:oh well by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    Well I got a 3G phone years ago.

  62. What's Next? by wiedzmin · · Score: 1

    Coming soon - iPhone Shuffle, no screen, one button, calls a random number from your preloaded phonebook?

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  63. Re:Will the quality be any better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, what I posted is the honest truth you fucking morons.