The installation of OpenBSD is horrible, compared to just about any OS. Are you going to improve this? How about a handbook? Having a "sample" response printed on the CD cover is not what I'd consider adequate.
"Sun will port [the new jvm] to popular platforms other than Solaris and Windows just as soon as they find any". This is the kind of arrogance that keeps 'em down. Personally, I trust IBM more with java than I do Sun.... (Visual Age, jikes anyone?)
I love the GIMP, but after even a brief spell using Photoshop, I have to say it has a loooong way to go. I'm sure it will get there, but it ain't a replacement for Photoshop yet.
I just had to convert an 80 page word document to pdf. After it bailing on me several times and taking up to an hour for each attempt. I printed it to a.ps file instead, then used ps2pdf. Bingo, problem solved. When I called Adobe to ask about an auto-install method of the acrobat reader, for hundreds of windoze desktops, I was told that there wasn't one, but I could download their api and write one myself! Hmmm, if I have to write my own software why would I use some proprietary shit? I pay for proprietary s/w because I'm paying someone else to solve these problems..... ! Unreal. Seriously, these folks have an attitude problem.
All these individual elements of free software work great, in my experience, but the problem has always been that no one sits down and puts together and end to end solution. It's all well and good reading on the SAMBA mailing list that you can tie it's password lookup into a kerberos box, or an LDAP box, but the thing that would start the avalanche is being able to buy, for example, RedHat PDC/LDAP/Sendmail/Apache/PHP all tied together with a single account database and all the "glue" work done. Now *that* would be something. Heck, you could even tie in your desktops and have a viable desktop alternative to Windows, Mac etc. depending on your apps.
I support lots of windows workstations hooked up to SAMBA server(s). You don't realise how great this is, in the long term, on several fronts:
Greater reliability for authorized applications
Major shut-out to small application houses
Reduced incentive to upgrade
First, I will only have to deal with applications that don't goof up system files and libraries. That takes out a big chunk of the app flakiness on 'doze.
Second, nearly all of the 70 engineering applications I support will not be able to port to whistler, heck, they barely made the transition from DOS to windows 3.1 format by the end of 1999, and about half of them didn't even do that. They'll be looking at a new application development model pretty seriously - and I'm hoping applets or web services.
Finally, with Microsoft continuing to make it less desirable, and way more expensive to upgrade, I expect to see a continuing slow-down of adoption.
What a bunch of sore losers. Your absurd claim that folks who voted Nader would have voted Gore smacks of the arrogance that is rampant in the Democrat party. All the folks I know who voted Nader did so because they believed in his campaign. For them it was a choice between Bush or Nader, they would never have voted Gore, in fact, they despise him. Hey - progressive votes are not your god given right (or Buddhist given right, or coporate given right). I voted Nader 'cos I loathe the sell out democrats more than anything. They talk the talk, but sell out to China, and big money at the drop of a hat. Gore dropped the ball. Why can't you democrat dung funnels accept that?
I'm for Nader, looks like the wife is voting Bush. She might switch to Nader, though, as every time the debates get mentioned, she flies into a fury over why third party candidates were denied the opportunity to participate in the 3 corporate funded dog and pony shows. For some reason, this alone just bothers her more than anything. Around the family there's quite a lot of Bush voting, and a few conversions to Nader. The folks who are voting Nader switched because they heard him speak. He's one fired up dude. It's the non-typical mix - green, and republican, but no-one in this small group takes the democrats seriously for anything other than massive corruption, sell out, and toilet morality. Things that clinched the Nader vote for these religous, typical republicans? Bush's record of executions, pollution, and that honkin' denial of the minimum wage. Folks, poor people just stay poor on $3.35/hr. I don't mind paying a few bucks more for my produce if it means there's less incentive to steal my car.
Man I was getting so pleased with Mozilla and the nightlies, especially after Java finally arrived in a shaky manner on Linux. Then a room re-organization left me using an NT box, so I decided to put Windows 2000 on it (months after buying it for review/evaluation). 2000 + IE is astonishing. It's incredibly fast, works on every site I hit, and, when my cable modem went down, and I wanted to revisit an interesting, uh, "graphics intensive" site, the "work offline" feature brought the entire freakin' web site back to me. I was stunned. Of course, it's a lot of caching to disk, but I have a lot of disk (4Gb fits all my apps, CAD, Visual Age etc.), and the functionality was tremendous. Sure, I don't like the desktop model per se, as it's tricky to support and overly complex (even with Perl based maintenance), but damn does it make the computing experience a joy.
It failed because it wasn't a true "none of the above" - the votes would be discarded instead of being counted. We want them to be counted, for them to make a difference.
I just recently attended the extraction and reporting ORA perl university class. I can confirm that Damian is an excellent teacher. I learnt a lot. I had never heard of him before, but realized fairly quickly how important he is in the Perl world, with his understanding of, and contributions to, Perl 6. Parse::Recdescent can be used to process data, according to grammar based rules and generate results or even code. He showed one example of processing a "simple" perl program, to generate a very complex perl program. perl parsing perl. Yikes. He'll be worth every penny spent!
It's finally in there (though if you can figure out how to get it without it crashing, you're doing well). I've seen it sort of work in some of the nightlies, but not in this milestone. However, this project continues to get better and better. If you're intrigued by the milestone, start working with nightly builds, they rarely explode, and usually give a good indication of how things are improving. Now, if I can visit a newsgroup without it going ka-boom, I will be pleased....and yes, it will be the ie destroyer....
This is the same loser who acted out the throat slashing of his ex-wife, including sound affects? Now why would anyone take a turd-hole like that seriously? Sure, it's a cute lyric, but that doesn't mean the dung-funnel has a message....
My "deluxe edition" subscription to the priority ftp site for errata just expired, so they had already planned this release date for the next rev. Despite the perceived audience, "release early and release often" still applies to an entity such as RH.
Reality check! You think you'll ever see a corporation filled with Macs? Of the 80 applications key to my companies engineering group, 1 (ms office) will run on the Mac. Heck, we'd stand a better chance getting this stuff running on DOSEMU/Wine than the Mac.
If you're smart you'll have been running nightly builds instead of the last milestone, and none of the massive improvements will be a surprise. The 11th hour inclusion of Java on Linux is a pleasant surprise, I've been following bugzilla (53907) and was hoping they could make it. So - I can run a few applets now, but the ones I tried so far (melange chat, local library) either didn't completely work, or didn't work at all. Sigh. Back to 4.75 once again for functionality and pathetic style sheet renditions, or over to the wifes NT box for the IE java experience (the best I've seen). But this thing is on a roll now, and it's getting better and better and better.....
Uh, I'd question that statement, RedHat have always struggled with support, to date the web support is adequate, if you don't mind waiting a week or so for answers to your questions. Looks like usenet is still the best place to go for Linux support...
Till I started trying nightly builds - the milestones always seemed like shite to me, too. The builds on the other hand, are a different animal. The latest one I have (sept. 12) is excellent, and each time I grab one, it's better and better. The only thing I use ns for is java, and online banking.
After the M18 builds came out, they stated that the focus is on the next release candidate, and that the builds would get slower (true) and probably buggier (not for me, so far).
If security is the only thing you've been missing from Mozilla, I'm glad for you. Java is STILL missing from it, though it's being worked on. For folks like me who use java applets all over the place, this is a show stopper. I've used PSM, and it's been fine where it's accepted. I'd be more interested if there was a declaration that the mail client would get gpg - then it would come close to matching an ie/outlook combo. Till then.... (sigh).
Once again, some development group/model, thinks it can't use either the GPL or the BSD license, and comes up with it's own. After much dicking around, they'll eventually just pick one. Both these licenses work and are, in my opinion, a no brainer. Either pick one, or go proprietary, but spare me this half assed crap. I've seen this with Mozilla, Qt, and no doubt others will follow. Just bite the bullet and get on with it.
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The pgp commercial plug-in for Outlook is a no brainer. It's just so damned easy to use, I have yet to see anything as pleasant as that on *nix. You compose your email, then, from the pgp menu, choose encrypt now; voila! It's done. It's too bad that Mozilla or Navigator never had that whole crypto plug-in concept, 'cos the interface would work on any platform. I'm not against CLI, but there's times when it gets in the way, and I'd have to say that sending and recieving email with Outlook beats all the stuff I've tried. Now, if someone plugged GPG into the Mozilla mail-eater client, I would sit up and take notice BIG TIME.
It's corporations who have an actual physical presence in CA. "pure" internet companies, such as amazon, are unaffected. I've heard this story before, and the gist of the defense, in Barnes and Nobles case, was that the web site was entirely separate from the store operations, despite having the same name and the cash going to the same place. It's bullshit. Ironically, this is both fair and required taxation, and it's primary intent is to stop rogue entities from making bogus internet tax exemption claims.
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The installation of OpenBSD is horrible, compared to just about any OS. Are you going to improve this? How about a handbook? Having a "sample" response printed on the CD cover is not what I'd consider adequate.
"Sun will port [the new jvm] to popular platforms other than Solaris and Windows just as soon as they find any". This is the kind of arrogance that keeps 'em down. Personally, I trust IBM more with java than I do Sun.... (Visual Age, jikes anyone?)
I love the GIMP, but after even a brief spell using Photoshop, I have to say it has a loooong way to go. I'm sure it will get there, but it ain't a replacement for Photoshop yet.
I just had to convert an 80 page word document to pdf. After it bailing on me several times and taking up to an hour for each attempt. I printed it to a .ps file instead, then used ps2pdf. Bingo, problem solved.
When I called Adobe to ask about an auto-install method of the acrobat reader, for hundreds of windoze desktops, I was told that there wasn't one, but I could download their api and write one myself! Hmmm, if I have to write my own software why would I use some proprietary shit? I pay for proprietary s/w because I'm paying someone else to solve these problems..... ! Unreal. Seriously, these folks have an attitude problem.
All these individual elements of free software work great, in my experience, but the problem has always been that no one sits down and puts together and end to end solution. It's all well and good reading on the SAMBA mailing list that you can tie it's password lookup into a kerberos box, or an LDAP box, but the thing that would start the avalanche is being able to buy, for example, RedHat PDC/LDAP/Sendmail/Apache/PHP all tied together with a single account database and all the "glue" work done. Now *that* would be something. Heck, you could even tie in your desktops and have a viable desktop alternative to Windows, Mac etc. depending on your apps.
- Greater reliability for authorized applications
- Major shut-out to small application houses
- Reduced incentive to upgrade
First, I will only have to deal with applications that don't goof up system files and libraries. That takes out a big chunk of the app flakiness on 'doze.Second, nearly all of the 70 engineering applications I support will not be able to port to whistler, heck, they barely made the transition from DOS to windows 3.1 format by the end of 1999, and about half of them didn't even do that. They'll be looking at a new application development model pretty seriously - and I'm hoping applets or web services.
Finally, with Microsoft continuing to make it less desirable, and way more expensive to upgrade, I expect to see a continuing slow-down of adoption.
What a bunch of sore losers. Your absurd claim that folks who voted Nader would have voted Gore smacks of the arrogance that is rampant in the Democrat party. All the folks I know who voted Nader did so because they believed in his campaign. For them it was a choice between Bush or Nader, they would never have voted Gore, in fact, they despise him. Hey - progressive votes are not your god given right (or Buddhist given right, or coporate given right). I voted Nader 'cos I loathe the sell out democrats more than anything. They talk the talk, but sell out to China, and big money at the drop of a hat. Gore dropped the ball. Why can't you democrat dung funnels accept that?
I'm for Nader, looks like the wife is voting Bush. She might switch to Nader, though, as every time the debates get mentioned, she flies into a fury over why third party candidates were denied the opportunity to participate in the 3 corporate funded dog and pony shows. For some reason, this alone just bothers her more than anything. Around the family there's quite a lot of Bush voting, and a few conversions to Nader. The folks who are voting Nader switched because they heard him speak. He's one fired up dude. It's the non-typical mix - green, and republican, but no-one in this small group takes the democrats seriously for anything other than massive corruption, sell out, and toilet morality. Things that clinched the Nader vote for these religous, typical republicans? Bush's record of executions, pollution, and that honkin' denial of the minimum wage. Folks, poor people just stay poor on $3.35/hr. I don't mind paying a few bucks more for my produce if it means there's less incentive to steal my car.
Man I was getting so pleased with Mozilla and the nightlies, especially after Java finally arrived in a shaky manner on Linux. Then a room re-organization left me using an NT box, so I decided to put Windows 2000 on it (months after buying it for review/evaluation). 2000 + IE is astonishing. It's incredibly fast, works on every site I hit, and, when my cable modem went down, and I wanted to revisit an interesting, uh, "graphics intensive" site, the "work offline" feature brought the entire freakin' web site back to me. I was stunned. Of course, it's a lot of caching to disk, but I have a lot of disk (4Gb fits all my apps, CAD, Visual Age etc.), and the functionality was tremendous. Sure, I don't like the desktop model per se, as it's tricky to support and overly complex (even with Perl based maintenance), but damn does it make the computing experience a joy.
It failed because it wasn't a true "none of the above" - the votes would be discarded instead of being counted. We want them to be counted, for them to make a difference.
Nader is proposing that a valid "none of the above" be included on all polling slips, so you can voice your disgust and get it counted.
I just recently attended the extraction and reporting ORA perl university class. I can confirm that Damian is an excellent teacher. I learnt a lot. I had never heard of him before, but realized fairly quickly how important he is in the Perl world, with his understanding of, and contributions to, Perl 6. Parse::Recdescent can be used to process data, according to grammar based rules and generate results or even code. He showed one example of processing a "simple" perl program, to generate a very complex perl program. perl parsing perl. Yikes. He'll be worth every penny spent!
It's finally in there (though if you can figure out how to get it without it crashing, you're doing well). I've seen it sort of work in some of the nightlies, but not in this milestone. However, this project continues to get better and better. If you're intrigued by the milestone, start working with nightly builds, they rarely explode, and usually give a good indication of how things are improving. Now, if I can visit a newsgroup without it going ka-boom, I will be pleased....and yes, it will be the ie destroyer....
This is the same loser who acted out the throat slashing of his ex-wife, including sound affects? Now why would anyone take a turd-hole like that seriously? Sure, it's a cute lyric, but that doesn't mean the dung-funnel has a message....
My "deluxe edition" subscription to the priority ftp site for errata just expired, so they had already planned this release date for the next rev. Despite the perceived audience, "release early and release often" still applies to an entity such as RH.
Reality check! You think you'll ever see a corporation filled with Macs? Of the 80 applications key to my companies engineering group, 1 (ms office) will run on the Mac. Heck, we'd stand a better chance getting this stuff running on DOSEMU/Wine than the Mac.
If you're smart you'll have been running nightly builds instead of the last milestone, and none of the massive improvements will be a surprise. The 11th hour inclusion of Java on Linux is a pleasant surprise, I've been following bugzilla (53907) and was hoping they could make it. So - I can run a few applets now, but the ones I tried so far (melange chat, local library) either didn't completely work, or didn't work at all. Sigh. Back to 4.75 once again for functionality and pathetic style sheet renditions, or over to the wifes NT box for the IE java experience (the best I've seen). But this thing is on a roll now, and it's getting better and better and better.....
Uh, I'd question that statement, RedHat have always struggled with support, to date the web support is adequate, if you don't mind waiting a week or so for answers to your questions. Looks like usenet is still the best place to go for Linux support...
Till I started trying nightly builds - the milestones always seemed like shite to me, too. The builds on the other hand, are a different animal. The latest one I have (sept. 12) is excellent, and each time I grab one, it's better and better. The only thing I use ns for is java, and online banking.
After the M18 builds came out, they stated that the focus is on the next release candidate, and that the builds would get slower (true) and probably buggier (not for me, so far).
If security is the only thing you've been missing from Mozilla, I'm glad for you. Java is STILL missing from it, though it's being worked on. For folks like me who use java applets all over the place, this is a show stopper. I've used PSM, and it's been fine where it's accepted. I'd be more interested if there was a declaration that the mail client would get gpg - then it would come close to matching an ie/outlook combo. Till then.... (sigh).
Once again, some development group/model, thinks it can't use either the GPL or the BSD license, and comes up with it's own. After much dicking around, they'll eventually just pick one. Both these licenses work and are, in my opinion, a no brainer. Either pick one, or go proprietary, but spare me this half assed crap. I've seen this with Mozilla, Qt, and no doubt others will follow. Just bite the bullet and get on with it.
The pgp commercial plug-in for Outlook is a no brainer. It's just so damned easy to use, I have yet to see anything as pleasant as that on *nix. You compose your email, then, from the pgp menu, choose encrypt now; voila! It's done. It's too bad that Mozilla or Navigator never had that whole crypto plug-in concept, 'cos the interface would work on any platform. I'm not against CLI, but there's times when it gets in the way, and I'd have to say that sending and recieving email with Outlook beats all the stuff I've tried. Now, if someone plugged GPG into the Mozilla mail-eater client, I would sit up and take notice BIG TIME.
It's corporations who have an actual physical presence in CA. "pure" internet companies, such as amazon, are unaffected. I've heard this story before, and the gist of the defense, in Barnes and Nobles case, was that the web site was entirely separate from the store operations, despite having the same name and the cash going to the same place. It's bullshit. Ironically, this is both fair and required taxation, and it's primary intent is to stop rogue entities from making bogus internet tax exemption claims.