When I was doing a large scale rollout of Win95, we played M$ videos to our users. M$ cited the months of usability studies and 1000's of man hours that went into the "revolutionary" new interface. This was re-assuring. What wasn't reassuring was to see all those interface methods drop like flies with office 97, to ie4, to now ie5, office 2k. If the research was legit, the interface would have stayed. My users now all complain about the stupid new level of complexity and non-intuitiveness they have to deal with. What is Apple doing now with it's interface? The concept of a one size fits all GUI is just pure nonsense and needs to be resigned to the garbage can (icon).
This argument is getting old. Microsoft has done a great marketing job of convincing people that they should be able to press a few buttons and wham! an instant running mail server, web server, db server etc. Anyone who's configured exchange, IIS, or SQL server will tell you this is just nonsense.... so why is the open source community still full of folks who think this is the goose that lays the golden eggs? I don't care that it's tricky to set up Apache, or sendmail. I don't give a flying fart that it's tricky. As long as it's easy to run a browser and some office apps the UI for Linux is just fine. Wait a minute, it *is* easy to run a browser and some office apps. Doh!
It's been said before, and I'll say it again. Go to Philip Greenspun's web site and read the book, check out the code, download the freeware. This guy and his crew understand high volume db backed sites like nobody else.
About once a month, there's some peckerhead statement about how Linux won't survive if it doesn't get Joe Public acceptance. Ridiculous! Linux and GNU have gotten where they are by pure, no nonsense technical superiority. As they say in drag racing, "when the flag drops, the bullshit stops". It's winning because it's better, and because it provides freedom. Plenty of people are working on the desktop dumb-down, it will be provided, but in the meantime fools like you will continue to predict it's demise based on lack of sales to granny......
I just noticed that searching for "What's that site running?" on Google used to take you to Netcraft's "What's that site running?" page, now it just dumps you straight into www.apache.org....
>>If joeblow@eggsucker.microsoft.com wants to submit a patch, or tweak it to his personal liking, he should be able to. Judging him a 'lying scumbag' based on the exploits of his employer are wrong.. ........Well, ordinarily you'd be right, but this is a special case here!
Either you have piss-poor memory, or you are a newbie here,/. has always had lively discussions peppered with moronic, meaningless posts. That's what happens when the world sits down and chats. And many of us work in mixed shops, so we need technical info. like this. Most IT professionals are more interested in *solving* problems introduced by M$ and others, than reading brochureware stories. That's why ever major freeware/open source story *is* news, and why proprietary s/w bugs are news.....
The article doesn't claim you can't authenticate against MIT Kerberos servers, it states that if you do so, you can't use that authentication for other W2000 resources, such as printing. I.e. the authentication is not "passed along" unless you use W2000 Kerberos throughout.
I prefer running freeware or open source on 'doze - the quality is much better, period. Check out the O-reilly book, as suggested, Brian Behlendorf's essay will give you some pointers on how to get it off the ground, and business cases for your boss. Try to consider your infrastructure first - CVS, web site, mailing lists and make sure you back it up with *actual code* when released. There are plenty of open source wannabees out there who have no code base that's worth a crap.
Why make Americans speak your dialect, just 'cos you can't deal with people in the world talking *differently*...... ? Maybe US coders understand fall, and that's why the schedule is described that way.
I have been buying 30 copies each of the last 3 versions and have finally given up (except for the Linux version). It's gotten worse. If Netscape had not abandoned the CCK, I would still be interested in rolling it out on my 30 NT workstations. But they didn't, so I'm now stuck, ironically, with IE 'cos it's more manageble on 'doze, and IE is relegated to Linux. At the time I was doing prep work, Opera didn't have a JVM, and we needed that too. Of course, if IE5 *hadn't* been a better product than Comminicator 4.5-4.7 it would have been moot.....but to my amazement, it is/was.
These "themes" are the same old.jpg backgrounds crap that's been around for years. Swirly patterns, neon flashes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting for around 30 seconds. Let me see a holistic desktop - icons, fonts, menus, and I'll get interested. This is just plain *yawn*
You ever eat so much bean chili, that your gut aches for 30 minutes, before you hear big rumblings and gurglings, only to lift your leg and FWAAAAAAARP out it comes. This is how Metcalfe writes. He has nothing to say, he just want's to be heard. Thanks for ethernet - now fuck off home, Bob.
The navy's existing purchasing policy is that anything Microsoft needs no sign off to buy it (i.e. you can buy with no approval). Anything non-microsoft requires the regular approval procedure. This is anectdotal, from a buddy who worked recently in the navy, but believed to be accurate. For navy offices busting a gut to be efficient/effective this policy is not condusive to qc.
I would like to see the CPAN rpm's actually WORK!!! and of course, I should really do it the correct way by grabbing the modules direct, but it's (in theory) real convenient having the whole thing on CD, especially when you're experimenting. I'm specifically talking about pathing, and even more specifically about Tcl/Tk - you put it together with RH rpm's and it doesn't work.
Try "the man in the high castle" and short stories. Later, you may want to try "a scanner darkly" for it's super confusing flow. If she finds his style interesting, throw in a few non-sf, the one I particularly liked was the typewriter salesman story (it's name escapes me right now).....
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"If Linux wants to survive, it had better be able to compete" - what complete and utter nonsense. Linux has got where it is by simply focussing on being technically correct, just like Apache. And guess what? It works! Just like most people who use Linux, I don't care about competing with M$, Sun, IBM, etc. I just want something that works, that I don't have to sell my children to afford. Having been reamed by Sun in the past for inadequate hardware and software, my opinion is that the only reason we have NT and Novell, etc. is due to the greed of vendors like Sun who MADE companies look for cheaper solutions.
I've been using SAMBA for all my engineering servers for 2-1/2 years, with NTWS clients. They all have encrypted passwords and run AutoCAD and office. No oplock problems, no reliability problems, uptimes measured in 100's of days, and years for some of them. While the NT servers on our network have had dozens of outages, we've never been down once. I'd say that NT is not ready for the enterprise if your criteria are availability, predictability, and remote and scheduled maintenance.
sure it is, but when you have 300 users in 10 states you don't just send 'em a box of cd's. You test on your hardware, configure, tweak and then automatically roll it out to them all.
I'm testing office 2000 now for an april rollout. It runs fine on a pentium 90/64Mb RAM. The bloat problems have definitely been addressed to some extent. I dislike m$ in general, but having used applix for a year or so, I would have to say it's buggy and clunky. We even have X on the NT desktops here so it's a real option, but it just doesn't cut it for us.
Start comparing the font sizes on M$ browser preferred sites to Netscape friendly ones. Our intranet has to have all fonts set to x-small for them to not be mondo sized on ie. Yet they are now tiny on navigator. Try visiting microsoft with ie then with navigator. The site is practically unreadable in navigator, yet many sites are now set this way. This is a subtle method that has changed the browsing experience and made it much less platform agnostic. In addition, when testing ie on internal ftp sites, I found that the delay is staggering for non-NT servers. It's snappy as hell for NT servers.....
Yes, this is a well put together page, nice use of fonts. Sans Serif can be used in a legible manner, it's just not that way on the new altavista page.
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When I was doing a large scale rollout of Win95, we played M$ videos to our users. M$ cited the months of usability studies and 1000's of man hours that went into the "revolutionary" new interface. This was re-assuring. What wasn't reassuring was to see all those interface methods drop like flies with office 97, to ie4, to now ie5, office 2k. If the research was legit, the interface would have stayed. My users now all complain about the stupid new level of complexity and non-intuitiveness they have to deal with. What is Apple doing now with it's interface? The concept of a one size fits all GUI is just pure nonsense and needs to be resigned to the garbage can (icon).
This argument is getting old. Microsoft has done a great marketing job of convincing people that they should be able to press a few buttons and wham! an instant running mail server, web server, db server etc. Anyone who's configured exchange, IIS, or SQL server will tell you this is just nonsense.... so why is the open source community still full of folks who think this is the goose that lays the golden eggs? I don't care that it's tricky to set up Apache, or sendmail. I don't give a flying fart that it's tricky. As long as it's easy to run a browser and some office apps the UI for Linux is just fine. Wait a minute, it *is* easy to run a browser and some office apps. Doh!
It's been said before, and I'll say it again. Go to Philip Greenspun's web site and read the book, check out the code, download the freeware. This guy and his crew understand high volume db backed sites like nobody else.
About once a month, there's some peckerhead statement about how Linux won't survive if it doesn't get Joe Public acceptance. Ridiculous! Linux and GNU have gotten where they are by pure, no nonsense technical superiority. As they say in drag racing, "when the flag drops, the bullshit stops". It's winning because it's better, and because it provides freedom. Plenty of people are working on the desktop dumb-down, it will be provided, but in the meantime fools like you will continue to predict it's demise based on lack of sales to granny......
When will the GNU site get switched to png for graphics? (or even /. for that matter?)
I just noticed that searching for "What's that site running?" on Google used to take you to Netcraft's "What's that site running?" page, now it just dumps you straight into www.apache.org....
>>If joeblow@eggsucker.microsoft.com wants to submit a patch, or tweak it to his personal liking, he should be able to. Judging him a 'lying scumbag' based on the exploits of his employer are wrong..
........Well, ordinarily you'd be right, but this is a special case here!
Either you have piss-poor memory, or you are a newbie here, /. has always had lively discussions peppered with moronic, meaningless posts. That's what happens when the world sits down and chats. And many of us work in mixed shops, so we need technical info. like this. Most IT professionals are more interested in *solving* problems introduced by M$ and others, than reading brochureware stories. That's why ever major freeware/open source story *is* news, and why proprietary s/w bugs are news.....
The article doesn't claim you can't authenticate against MIT Kerberos servers, it states that if you do so, you can't use that authentication for other W2000 resources, such as printing. I.e. the authentication is not "passed along" unless you use W2000 Kerberos throughout.
I prefer running freeware or open source on 'doze - the quality is much better, period. Check out the O-reilly book, as suggested, Brian Behlendorf's essay will give you some pointers on how to get it off the ground, and business cases for your boss. Try to consider your infrastructure first - CVS, web site, mailing lists and make sure you back it up with *actual code* when released. There are plenty of open source wannabees out there who have no code base that's worth a crap.
Why make Americans speak your dialect, just 'cos you can't deal with people in the world talking *differently*...... ? Maybe US coders understand fall, and that's why the schedule is described that way.
I have been buying 30 copies each of the last 3 versions and have finally given up (except for the Linux version). It's gotten worse. If Netscape had not abandoned the CCK, I would still be interested in rolling it out on my 30 NT workstations. But they didn't, so I'm now stuck, ironically, with IE 'cos it's more manageble on 'doze, and IE is relegated to Linux. At the time I was doing prep work, Opera didn't have a JVM, and we needed that too. Of course, if IE5 *hadn't* been a better product than Comminicator 4.5-4.7 it would have been moot.....but to my amazement, it is/was.
Not so, I read through it, and saw many correct tags flagged as incorrect. Your argument fails.
These "themes" are the same old .jpg backgrounds crap that's been around for years. Swirly patterns, neon flashes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting for around 30 seconds. Let me see a holistic desktop - icons, fonts, menus, and I'll get interested. This is just plain *yawn*
Bless you, Bruce - you do good work.
You ever eat so much bean chili, that your gut aches for 30 minutes, before you hear big rumblings and gurglings, only to lift your leg and FWAAAAAAARP out it comes. This is how Metcalfe writes. He has nothing to say, he just want's to be heard. Thanks for ethernet - now fuck off home, Bob.
The navy's existing purchasing policy is that anything Microsoft needs no sign off to buy it (i.e. you can buy with no approval). Anything non-microsoft requires the regular approval procedure. This is anectdotal, from a buddy who worked recently in the navy, but believed to be accurate. For navy offices busting a gut to be efficient/effective this policy is not condusive to qc.
I would like to see the CPAN rpm's actually WORK!!! and of course, I should really do it the correct way by grabbing the modules direct, but it's (in theory) real convenient having the whole thing on CD, especially when you're experimenting. I'm specifically talking about pathing, and even more specifically about Tcl/Tk - you put it together with RH rpm's and it doesn't work.
Try "the man in the high castle" and short stories. Later, you may want to try "a scanner darkly" for it's super confusing flow. If she finds his style interesting, throw in a few non-sf, the one I particularly liked was the typewriter salesman story (it's name escapes me right now).....
"If Linux wants to survive, it had better be able to compete" - what complete and utter nonsense. Linux has got where it is by simply focussing on being technically correct, just like Apache. And guess what? It works! Just like most people who use Linux, I don't care about competing with M$, Sun, IBM, etc. I just want something that works, that I don't have to sell my children to afford. Having been reamed by Sun in the past for inadequate hardware and software, my opinion is that the only reason we have NT and Novell, etc. is due to the greed of vendors like Sun who MADE companies look for cheaper solutions.
I've been using SAMBA for all my engineering servers for 2-1/2 years, with NTWS clients. They all have encrypted passwords and run AutoCAD and office. No oplock problems, no reliability problems, uptimes measured in 100's of days, and years for some of them. While the NT servers on our network have had dozens of outages, we've never been down once. I'd say that NT is not ready for the enterprise if your criteria are availability, predictability, and remote and scheduled maintenance.
sure it is, but when you have 300 users in 10 states you don't just send 'em a box of cd's. You test on your hardware, configure, tweak and then automatically roll it out to them all.
I'm testing office 2000 now for an april rollout. It runs fine on a pentium 90/64Mb RAM. The bloat problems have definitely been addressed to some extent. I dislike m$ in general, but having used applix for a year or so, I would have to say it's buggy and clunky. We even have X on the NT desktops here so it's a real option, but it just doesn't cut it for us.
Start comparing the font sizes on M$ browser preferred sites to Netscape friendly ones. Our intranet has to have all fonts set to x-small for them to not be mondo sized on ie. Yet they are now tiny on navigator.
Try visiting microsoft with ie then with navigator. The site is practically unreadable in navigator, yet many sites are now set this way. This is a subtle method that has changed the browsing experience and made it much less platform agnostic.
In addition, when testing ie on internal ftp sites, I found that the delay is staggering for non-NT servers. It's snappy as hell for NT servers.....
Yes, this is a well put together page, nice use of fonts. Sans Serif can be used in a legible manner, it's just not that way on the new altavista page.