But, some of us actually want to use features not in all browsers. I don't really want to have to code separate versions of every page for Netscape 1.0 and for Lynx. You see, the world has changed since 1994. Really. It has.
Anyone who's done web pages for real has had to deal with browser compatibility. The ASP.NET approach of emitting different HTML for different browsers makes this a LOT less of a pain.
Microsoft challenged almost every finding of fact and that was one basis for their appeal. Perhaps you should read the real documents rather than relying on what Jackson said since he slept through most afternoon sessions.
I'll happily quote URLs (just go to the DOJ's antitrust division site or Microsoft's legal press site) but you'd still have to actually read the transcripts rather than look for one sentence soundbites.
The source being the actual transcripts available on either the DOJ site or Microsoft's legal site. As for your question of why Microsoft didn't raise this in court. It did.
Again, read the source documents not just the press releases.
That was the accusation but what the actual trial transcript showed was that IBM didn't get an early license to OEM Windows 95 because an audit of their sales showed several million dollars worth of Windows licenses that they hadn't paid for or reported to Microsoft. MS insisted that IBM put a better tracking system in place so that a similar "mistake" wouldn't happen again with the Windows 95 sales.
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Wtf do you expect from any self respecting CEO?? To provide for the long-term best interests of their company. That is their job.
It is not to provide short term stock price manipulation much as it may seem that way when the sleaziest CEOs run their companies to increase their stock based bonuses.
SUN and Oracle use the Trade Center tragedy to push a Java/Oracle based National ID card.
Microsoft quietly creates (providing the hardware, software, consulting and bandwidth) a tracking web site for victim's families so they can find out who's alive.
Right, I understand now, SUN and Oracle are the good guys and Microsoft is evil.
This is a common misperception and there's an interesting story behind it.
In 1988 I met one of the MicroChannel bus architects. At that point, the PS/2 was not selling and peripheral makers were avoiding it in droves. He told a group of us the actual story of the licensing.
The MicroChannel bus (which was based on one of the System/370 busses) was released to the public domain in order to get a lot of peripheral support. The actual implementation and chipsets were IBM proprietary and were available for a very steep license. The computer press didn't understand the difference and reported that the bus was proprietary and only availble for a very high license fee. IBM marketing (who had opposed making the bus itself public) saw the chance to make some quick money and punish the cloners. They reinforced the bad information that the industry papers were reporting and never managed to get them corrections so the story took on its own life and almost nobody ever realized the truth.
The man I spoke to was also one of the architects of the PC/AT extensions to the original PC bus (which later became ISA) and felt that MCA was a much better design. He felt that IBM marketing had hurt both the future of the PC industry by blocking a generation change and the future of IBM by keeping their bus families incompatible with each other.
If reverse engineering software had been illegal in the early 60's we'd all still be using over-priced IBM PCs.
First off, the IBM PC was introduced in1981. Kind of embarassing to be off by 100% on recent history.(about the same as saying that World War II took place in 1880).
More importantly, if reverse engineering had been illegal when the IBM PC came out, "IBM PC Compatible" would never have become the standard and we'd be using some derivative of CP/M.
The 12 Simple Secrets of Microsoft Management: How to Think and Act Like a Microsoft Manager and Take Your Company to the Top - Dave Thielen - The best book on how Microsoft works.
Gates: How Microsoft's Mogul Reinvented an Industry-And Made Himself the Richest Man in America
- Stephen Manes, Paul Andrews - The most accurate history of Microsoft (the only one not based on repeating undocumented industry gossip)
If you're talking about QuickBasic 3 or higher, it was actually a threaded P-Code compiler. It didn't tack on the interpreter, it compiled to a series of two byte IL calls that pointed into a pre-compiled library of run-time routines.
Black project research almost never trickles down. The results are classified until long after they are re-invented in the visible sector. Spin-offs don't happen since the primary research is hidden. Valuable tracks of research don't get funding so that the "right" track stays secret. And with no visibility, cost control doesn't exist so huge amounts are spent badly.
And the successful, closed source, commercial application for Linux that shows this to be FUD rather than a reasonable appraisal of the market would be...
Of course, that $129 prices is really the upgrade pricing since there are almost no Macs out there that don't already have a license to MacOS and since the very brief cloning period, very few other computers that can run it. (and those generally have a MacOS license as well)
How about Mac OS X for $129, which includes Mac OS 9.1 and developer tools?
Hmmm, that's $129 more than they used to charge for their OS. MacOS used to be included with the computer and updates were free for download or copying at the dealer with Apple's blessing.
I know its a different issue than whether MS has competition (and seeing the x86 vs PPC, I'm not sure whether MacOS really is a good example) but it is relevant to the general thread.
Will they now call OS/400 "i/OS"?
Following that pattern they'd also have to rename OS/2 as x/OS. Wonder if Apple's OS/X people would have a problem with that?
The most pervasive of these cheats was to use bit 32 to indicate the last address in a list of addresses.
Yeah. Some of those old tricks last a lot longer than they have any reason to, like terminating a one dimension array of characters with a null and pretending its a string.
Actually what Gore said about the internet was true. He was one of the earliest backers of it and got it the initial funding for it going public. But, Rush, didn't say that so it can't be true, right?
Believe me, W won't give money to any businesses that aren't old money who funded his campaign. He's not a capitalist, he's just for sale.
Nah, they've just redefined "Bipartisan" as totally agreeing with them. As in "We want bipartisan support for our ideas". Kind of like how "uniter" basically means "unite behind whatever I want or I send the thugs after you"
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Of course, you could always use python.NET to write your ASP.NET pages if you don't want to learn C#.
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But, some of us actually want to use features not in all browsers. I don't really want to have to code separate versions of every page for Netscape 1.0 and for Lynx. You see, the world has changed since 1994. Really. It has.
Anyone who's done web pages for real has had to deal with browser compatibility. The ASP.NET approach of emitting different HTML for different browsers makes this a LOT less of a pain.
Microsoft challenged almost every finding of fact and that was one basis for their appeal. Perhaps you should read the real documents rather than relying on what Jackson said since he slept through most afternoon sessions.
I'll happily quote URLs (just go to the DOJ's antitrust division site or Microsoft's legal press site) but you'd still have to actually read the transcripts rather than look for one sentence soundbites.
The source being the actual transcripts available on either the DOJ site or Microsoft's legal site. As for your question of why Microsoft didn't raise this in court. It did.
Again, read the source documents not just the press releases.
That was the accusation but what the actual trial transcript showed was that IBM didn't get an early license to OEM Windows 95 because an audit of their sales showed several million dollars worth of Windows licenses that they hadn't paid for or reported to Microsoft. MS insisted that IBM put a better tracking system in place so that a similar "mistake" wouldn't happen again with the Windows 95 sales.
Yes and Yes. Go to http://www.asp.net and you can download compilers and participate.
Sorry to disillusion you.
Nah, a real Compuserver user has a SEVEN digit account. (Mine is 76525,11)
Wtf do you expect from any self respecting CEO??
To provide for the long-term best interests of their company. That is their job.
It is not to provide short term stock price manipulation much as it may seem that way when the sleaziest CEOs run their companies to increase their stock based bonuses.
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Right, I understand now, SUN and Oracle are the good guys and Microsoft is evil.
Yeah. Right.
This is a common misperception and there's an interesting story behind it.
In 1988 I met one of the MicroChannel bus architects. At that point, the PS/2 was not selling and peripheral makers were avoiding it in droves. He told a group of us the actual story of the licensing.
The MicroChannel bus (which was based on one of the System/370 busses) was released to the public domain in order to get a lot of peripheral support. The actual implementation and chipsets were IBM proprietary and were available for a very steep license. The computer press didn't understand the difference and reported that the bus was proprietary and only availble for a very high license fee. IBM marketing (who had opposed making the bus itself public) saw the chance to make some quick money and punish the cloners. They reinforced the bad information that the industry papers were reporting and never managed to get them corrections so the story took on its own life and almost nobody ever realized the truth.
The man I spoke to was also one of the architects of the PC/AT extensions to the original PC bus (which later became ISA) and felt that MCA was a much better design. He felt that IBM marketing had hurt both the future of the PC industry by blocking a generation change and the future of IBM by keeping their bus families incompatible with each other.
First off, the IBM PC was introduced in1981. Kind of embarassing to be off by 100% on recent history.(about the same as saying that World War II took place in 1880).
More importantly, if reverse engineering had been illegal when the IBM PC came out, "IBM PC Compatible" would never have become the standard and we'd be using some derivative of CP/M.
The 12 Simple Secrets of Microsoft Management: How to Think and Act Like a Microsoft Manager and Take Your Company to the Top - Dave Thielen - The best book on how Microsoft works.
Gates: How Microsoft's Mogul Reinvented an Industry-And Made Himself the Richest Man in America - Stephen Manes, Paul Andrews - The most accurate history of Microsoft (the only one not based on repeating undocumented industry gossip)
If you're talking about QuickBasic 3 or higher, it was actually a threaded P-Code compiler. It didn't tack on the interpreter, it compiled to a series of two byte IL calls that pointed into a pre-compiled library of run-time routines.
Black project research almost never trickles down. The results are classified until long after they are re-invented in the visible sector. Spin-offs don't happen since the primary research is hidden. Valuable tracks of research don't get funding so that the "right" track stays secret. And with no visibility, cost control doesn't exist so huge amounts are spent badly.
And the successful, closed source, commercial application for Linux that shows this to be FUD rather than a reasonable appraisal of the market would be...
Of course, that $129 prices is really the upgrade pricing since there are almost no Macs out there that don't already have a license to MacOS and since the very brief cloning period, very few other computers that can run it. (and those generally have a MacOS license as well)
Hmmm, that's $129 more than they used to charge for their OS. MacOS used to be included with the computer and updates were free for download or copying at the dealer with Apple's blessing.
I know its a different issue than whether MS has competition (and seeing the x86 vs PPC, I'm not sure whether MacOS really is a good example) but it is relevant to the general thread.
Will they now call OS/400 "i/OS"?
Following that pattern they'd also have to rename OS/2 as x/OS. Wonder if Apple's OS/X people would have a problem with that?
- ES/390 - OS/390
- AS/400 - OS/400
- PS/2 - OS/2
- RS/6000 - AIX
Oops, guess they didn't quite get that rationalized naming scheme finished.The most pervasive of these cheats was to use bit 32 to indicate the last address in a list of addresses.
Yeah. Some of those old tricks last a lot longer than they have any reason to, like terminating a one dimension array of characters with a null and pretending its a string.
And Schumacher will continue to win until Max Mosley decides that letting Schumacher and Ferrari cheat isn't the best way to get higher TV revenues.
A little Von Braun commentary from the early '60s
"Once the rockets go up who cares where they come down. That's not my department", says Wernher Von Braun
Tom Lehrer's song "Wernher Von Braun"
Von Braun's autobiography was "I Aim for the Stars". Posters for it at bookstores often had the handwritten addition "But, sometimes I hit London"
He also never said that he invented it. That's just a misquote that got repeated so often that people actually think its true. (You did)
Believe me, W won't give money to any businesses that aren't old money who funded his campaign. He's not a capitalist, he's just for sale.
Nah, they've just redefined "Bipartisan" as totally agreeing with them. As in "We want bipartisan support for our ideas". Kind of like how "uniter" basically means "unite behind whatever I want or I send the thugs after you"