I still prefer, right or wrong, to wait that one out, as I have the sinking feeling MS is waiting for a critical mass and will then start shouting ".net is patented"...
The word 'eventually' is the problem with that theory, as I see it. While I have little doubt that IBM can outlast, or outright win, Linux itself will not be served well at all if this thing drags out. Right now we are on the edge of a mass migration to Linux on the server as well as possibly on the desktop. While the publicists will tell you that any publicity is good publicity, it is a whole different animal when you are thinking of spending gobs of money on something that suddenly might look like it has a rather large, unfixable problem...
I think it is definately bogus. I for one have crappy credit and have had several times in the last 15 years. Youth and immaturity make a bad combo. Low paying jobs combined with unexpected pregnancy ( yes BC was in use! ) makes for another lousy mix. Getting fed up with the bad things that have happened to you and lack of 'support' (not meaning $$) from the spouse make a poor mental situation. These things caused me to end up with horrid credit several times. I am not deflecting blame from myself. Now, all during that time I was running a child support collection office at a Circuit Court. It was a $15 million a year operation. Some days we would take in $100k in cash. At its peak there were 5 of us working in that department. In all those years were were only short a significant amount (over $20.00) ONE time. Don't tell me a person can't take care of other peoples money! You screw up other peoples money at your job and you are outta there, or possibly even jail! You screw up with your personal finances and you get to BS with collectors 3 times a week or don't get that loan but you usually keep your 'stuff'...
Sure, it is a relatively horrible track record to be sure, but if you look at the entire history of US space flight thus far, it seems to be getting better...maybe?
28 Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo missions: 1.5 disasters: 5.3% disaster rate 113 Shuttle missions: 2 disasters: 1.7% disaster rate
Even 1.5% is far to great a disaster rate, but history usually shows great improvements precisely because of the things learned from disasters. Considering that in the Shuttle alone we had 24 flights followed by a disaster. Then we learned about and fixed the problem and had 88 more successful flights in a row before the Columbia disaster. And let's not forget that no one knows at this point what caused it. Possibilities still include things like being struck by a small meteor or other space derbis during the reentry itself...
As an RC car racer, I deal with battery 'conditioning'. The only batteries you have to do this with is the Ni-Cad ones. The NiMh ones do not require this procedure. I do not know about Li-ion batteries though.
Your 'say' is right where it's always been. These things are not done in secret. The problem is that you, me, and 99.9% of the rest of the citizens have, and mostly still do, pay NO attention to what their city, county, state, or federal government does. We do not 'get involved', vote, or even want to do our duty and serve on a jury when called upon. "That's what the politicians get paid for" is a common excuse for lack of involvment in what is going on around us. The people and groups that DO pay attention and get involved are the ones who usually get what they want. Then, AFTER stupid laws get passed that screw all the lemmings out of their rights and money, only then do they take any notice at all. Even at this point the vast majority STILL don't do anything, and most of the few that do only get 'involved' enough to bitch to their friends or places like/., but very few of them have ever even taken the time to call or write their representative.
Part of the reason for the 'push' for the desktop is to help create that 'critical mass' of desktop users. Theoretically, relatively shortly after that point all the vendors will magically decide that 'the Linux version' of their stuff needs to be the same as far as quality/features and released at the same time as the Windows version. Or, they will start making a Linux version if they weren't already. Of course, the Zealots out there, and I am usually one of them, hopes that once that point is reached it will seriously bite into MS's percentage of the market.
Sure, but *NOT* by the government under any circumstances!
If NBC for example wants to only broadcast in HDTV signals that is their business, but to decree that we all must buy HDTV boxes so NBC can continue to make massive profits and undermine our control of what and/or how we watch TV is unacceptable.
Not quite that at all. Although IANAL, I have been working in a Court for the past 13 years now and I can tell you with some degree of certainty that "getting a Judgment" from the Court does NOT get you your money/property/etc. i.e. the Court does not "go get it" for you... YOU have to do ALL the work. What that Judgment from Small Claims Court does do though (depending on what state you/other party live in) is give you the legal authority to place liens on the other party's property, bank accounts, etc., and do other things like garnish the other party's wages for up to the amount of the Judgment. There are lots of sticky problems to contend with though. For example, in some, or maybe all, states if the property or account is jointly owned you are out of luck trying to attach the lien or account, etc, etc.
>Would it sit well with you as a kernel developer if, for instance, microsoft was using linux as their development platform for their next OS?
I would LAUGH!
>What if you knew that they were using it in production with in house changes and additions with out releasing source code?
Aren't you required to 'release' the source only if/when you 'release' the binaries??? If you make changes for your own use and do not 'release' it to anyone else isn't that ok?
Could the/a solution be to do a "slight" redisign of the X/Window managment system so that the window manager is an object file that you link in at install time? This would require you choosing your window manager during the X install, and having to link X, but then it would all be one executable. Or possibly better yet, make the window managers into libraries? I run a SCO box at work (no choice at this point) and the one thing I think is pretty cool about it is that when you change and hardware settings, among other things, SCO says it needs to relink the kernel, and it only takes about 10 seconds. It also asks if you want it to be the default kernel on bootup. If X and the window managers were stored on the system in a "ready to link" state, it could be that easy to install or change window managers, not that people tend to change them that often anyway... Just a thought...
If she's old enough to go to the store, she's old enough to get bread!
I have horror stories from both of them
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This is a bit long-winded but I felt the whole storys needed telling to set the stage for the endings...
I have a real ISP and have had one since the beginning. I have 3 young children, though and 'all their friends had AOL' so we signed up under the "bring your own access" plan which means I use my ISP's internet connection rather than AOL's dialup lines to logon to AOL. This was a better deal as they only charged $9.95/month for it instead of the usual $19.95/month. This made the kids happy, which made my wife happy, which kept me happy, other than wasting $9.95/month for a second ISP, but such is life. They simply charged the $9.95/month every month like clockwork, never a problem AT ALL, which was good. As a couple of years went by they started using it less and less and finally not at all. (AIM, MSN Messenger, ICQ, The Palace, Napster, etc became their stomping grounds) Both the kids and the wife said they hadn't been on in months. Finally, in January of this year, my wife endured the hell of the phone thing to cancel their service. Eventually they told her it was cancelled. Fortunately, a few weeks before that I had a tussle with my Visa card provider and ended up telling them to shove it and cancelled that card. I had forgotten that it was the one that AOL was on, but it was a good thing. Shortly after this we get a bill in the mail from AOL (since the card was cancelled) for $117.00!!! Seems they are claiming that one of my daughters has been calling AOL directly, several time, conveniently JUST prior to the cancellation, and darn the luck, if you have the "bring your own access" plan, but call direct, you get the $2.95 (or some such number) a minute charge for using their lines!!! Wait a sec! I have a home lan, with a Linux box that acts as a gateway/firewall for the internet. None of the Windows boxes even has a modem in it anymore! After talking with the customer service 'person', and I use the term loosely, at least one of the times my child supposedly did this she wasn't even home. She spent the night at my sisters house and she doesn't even have AOL on her computer at all! this problem isn't resolved as of yet so I can't give a happy ending for it...
I also have an Earthlink bad experience, and in some ways I think it is worse. When I originally signed up to a local ISP, they accepted cash, etc, but I still had to provide a credit card "for proof of age only". No problem. As their office was 2 blecks from my work, I walked in and paid them in person each and every month. The few times I forgot to go, they turned my service off, which is EXACTLY the right thing to do, as I never gave them permission to use the credit card (since it was for verification only). Only I think it was the ONLY option anyway because I COMPLETELY forgot I ever even gave them a credit card number at all. Several years go by. They got bought out by Primary Net. Same office, same procedure, same outcome when I forget to go pay in a timely manner. A year later they got bought out by MPower. Again, same office, same procedure, same outcome when I forget to go pay in a timely manner. Several months later, they decide they only want to provide dialups to businesses, but they have so nicely already arranged for all the residential accounts to be transferred to Earthlink. I thought to myself, screw that, When my service here dies, I'll go 2 blocke the other way and sign up with the other local ISP that was on my list anyway, and when I don't pay EL they will dump that account. My service ended up dying on my several months later, so the next day I signed up with another local ISP. Same deal, I pay cash, if I don't pay they cut me off. In the meantime, all my data from my former ISP has been transferred to Earthlink. Apparently Earthlink doesn't give a rats patoot if your card is "for verification only" because they started charging on it right away. It was only 3 months later when we realized what was going on. After 2 calls totalling almost 2 hours of nothing but muzak time I finally got a person on the other end. I'll have to say that they didn't give me a hard time about it, but the guy insisted he could only give me 2 months charges back and I would have to call my credit card company about the 3rd month. I finally got my money back but the thing that bothered me more than anything was that I guess no matter how they get your credit card number they figure thats all they need to start putting charges on it, regardless if they have your permission or not.
"...seriously, why must this always be handled via legislation? We live in a free market society right, if there is a viable business model here it will be found and worked out... "
Not in cases like this where the bottomless pockets of the RIAA have the lawmakers that are supposed to represent US in THEIR pockets...
Welp, the remote controls need to be outlawed, too, huh???....I guess we can no longer click through channels during the commercials...
Next thing they'll want to do is require the tv to be connected to furniture with electronically controlled handcuffs attached. Then you can't start a show til you put the handcuff on, and the handcuff won't release til the show is over. What a concept!
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I still prefer, right or wrong, to wait that one out, as I have the sinking feeling MS is waiting for a critical mass and will then start shouting ".net is patented"...
Different set of criteria there....
There was ONE closed source MS, ran on generic PC hardware, and completely compatible with itself.
There were a dozen? closed source *NIX's, each tied (generally) to its vendors hardware, and incompatible in many ways with each other.
"... Having the suit eventually thrown out ..."
The word 'eventually' is the problem with that theory, as I see it. While I have little doubt that IBM can outlast, or outright win, Linux itself will not be served well at all if this thing drags out. Right now we are on the edge of a mass migration to Linux on the server as well as possibly on the desktop. While the publicists will tell you that any publicity is good publicity, it is a whole different animal when you are thinking of spending gobs of money on something that suddenly might look like it has a rather large, unfixable problem...
No advantages???? You gotta be joking!
Tell me how to do the equivalent of 'mget *' with http. Tell me how to download the whole folder full of files at once with http.
You forgot -
:)
4) Profit!!!!
Don't leave out politicians and lawyers!
I have never been impressed with any of the Sony line of PC's, and this is no exception.
Cool!
I think it is definately bogus. I for one have crappy credit and have had several times in the last 15 years. Youth and immaturity make a bad combo. Low paying jobs combined with unexpected pregnancy ( yes BC was in use! ) makes for another lousy mix. Getting fed up with the bad things that have happened to you and lack of 'support' (not meaning $$) from the spouse make a poor mental situation. These things caused me to end up with horrid credit several times. I am not deflecting blame from myself. Now, all during that time I was running a child support collection office at a Circuit Court. It was a $15 million a year operation. Some days we would take in $100k in cash. At its peak there were 5 of us working in that department. In all those years were were only short a significant amount (over $20.00) ONE time.
Don't tell me a person can't take care of other peoples money! You screw up other peoples money at your job and you are outta there, or possibly even jail! You screw up with your personal finances and you get to BS with collectors 3 times a week or don't get that loan but you usually keep your 'stuff'...
Sure, it is a relatively horrible track record to be sure, but if you look at the entire history of US space flight thus far, it seems to be getting better...maybe?
28 Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo missions: 1.5 disasters: 5.3% disaster rate
113 Shuttle missions: 2 disasters: 1.7% disaster rate
Even 1.5% is far to great a disaster rate, but history usually shows great improvements precisely because of the things learned from disasters. Considering that in the Shuttle alone we had 24 flights followed by a disaster. Then we learned about and fixed the problem and had 88 more successful flights in a row before the Columbia disaster. And let's not forget that no one knows at this point what caused it. Possibilities still include things like being struck by a small meteor or other space derbis during the reentry itself...
As an RC car racer, I deal with battery 'conditioning'. The only batteries you have to do this with is the Ni-Cad ones. The NiMh ones do not require this procedure. I do not know about Li-ion batteries though.
Your 'say' is right where it's always been. These things are not done in secret. The problem is that you, me, and 99.9% of the rest of the citizens have, and mostly still do, pay NO attention to what their city, county, state, or federal government does. We do not 'get involved', vote, or even want to do our duty and serve on a jury when called upon. "That's what the politicians get paid for" is a common excuse for lack of involvment in what is going on around us. The people and groups that DO pay attention and get involved are the ones who usually get what they want. Then, AFTER stupid laws get passed that screw all the lemmings out of their rights and money, only then do they take any notice at all. Even at this point the vast majority STILL don't do anything, and most of the few that do only get 'involved' enough to bitch to their friends or places like /., but very few of them have ever even taken the time to call or write their representative.
Part of the reason for the 'push' for the desktop is to help create that 'critical mass' of desktop users. Theoretically, relatively shortly after that point all the vendors will magically decide that 'the Linux version' of their stuff needs to be the same as far as quality/features and released at the same time as the Windows version. Or, they will start making a Linux version if they weren't already. Of course, the Zealots out there, and I am usually one of them, hopes that once that point is reached it will seriously bite into MS's percentage of the market.
"...New technologies must be pushed through ..."
Sure, but *NOT* by the government under any circumstances!
If NBC for example wants to only broadcast in HDTV signals that is their business, but to decree that we all must buy HDTV boxes so NBC can continue to make massive profits and undermine our control of what and/or how we watch TV is unacceptable.
Not quite that at all. Although IANAL, I have been working in a Court for the past 13 years now and I can tell you with some degree of certainty that "getting a Judgment" from the Court does NOT get you your money/property/etc. i.e. the Court does not "go get it" for you... YOU have to do ALL the work. What that Judgment from Small Claims Court does do though (depending on what state you/other party live in) is give you the legal authority to place liens on the other party's property, bank accounts, etc., and do other things like garnish the other party's wages for up to the amount of the Judgment. There are lots of sticky problems to contend with though. For example, in some, or maybe all, states if the property or account is jointly owned you are out of luck trying to attach the lien or account, etc, etc.
So...How about the 'buying' company buy K-Mart and Blue Light as a whole, then sell K-Mart of and keep Blue Light...?
I'm not a GPL expert, but I believe there is no requirement to release the code? Only if you choose to release it you must also provide the source
I think what he is actually referring to is the change between Access 97 and Access 2000. There was a change there.
>Would it sit well with you as a kernel developer if, for instance, microsoft was using linux as their development platform for their next OS?
I would LAUGH!
>What if you knew that they were using it in production with in house changes and additions with out releasing source code?
Aren't you required to 'release' the source only if/when you 'release' the binaries??? If you make changes for your own use and do not 'release' it to anyone else isn't that ok?
Could the/a solution be to do a "slight" redisign of the X/Window managment system so that the window manager is an object file that you link in at install time? This would require you choosing your window manager during the X install, and having to link X, but then it would all be one executable. Or possibly better yet, make the window managers into libraries?
I run a SCO box at work (no choice at this point) and the one thing I think is pretty cool about it is that when you change and hardware settings, among other things, SCO says it needs to relink the kernel, and it only takes about 10 seconds. It also asks if you want it to be the default kernel on bootup.
If X and the window managers were stored on the system in a "ready to link" state, it could be that easy to install or change window managers, not that people tend to change them that often anyway...
Just a thought...
...Thus the mere act of creation of a work isn't sufficient to justify their 'owning' it.
Sure it is....right up to the moment it gets played for the public....
You hosed that one... It's:
If she's old enough to go to the store, she's old enough to get bread!
This is a bit long-winded but I felt the whole storys needed telling to set the stage for the endings...
I have a real ISP and have had one since the beginning. I have 3 young children, though and 'all their friends had AOL' so we signed up under the "bring your own access" plan which means I use my ISP's internet connection rather than AOL's dialup lines to logon to AOL. This was a better deal as they only charged $9.95/month for it instead of the usual $19.95/month. This made the kids happy, which made my wife happy, which kept me happy, other than wasting $9.95/month for a second ISP, but such is life. They simply charged the $9.95/month every month like clockwork, never a problem AT ALL, which was good. As a couple of years went by they started using it less and less and finally not at all. (AIM, MSN Messenger, ICQ, The Palace, Napster, etc became their stomping grounds) Both the kids and the wife said they hadn't been on in months. Finally, in January of this year, my wife endured the hell of the phone thing to cancel their service. Eventually they told her it was cancelled. Fortunately, a few weeks before that I had a tussle with my Visa card provider and ended up telling them to shove it and cancelled that card. I had forgotten that it was the one that AOL was on, but it was a good thing.
Shortly after this we get a bill in the mail from AOL (since the card was cancelled) for $117.00!!! Seems they are claiming that one of my daughters has been calling AOL directly, several time, conveniently JUST prior to the cancellation, and darn the luck, if you have the "bring your own access" plan, but call direct, you get the $2.95 (or some such number) a minute charge for using their lines!!! Wait a sec! I have a home lan, with a Linux box that acts as a gateway/firewall for the internet. None of the Windows boxes even has a modem in it anymore! After talking with the customer service 'person', and I use the term loosely, at least one of the times my child supposedly did this she wasn't even home. She spent the night at my sisters house and she doesn't even have AOL on her computer at all! this problem isn't resolved as of yet so I can't give a happy ending for it...
I also have an Earthlink bad experience, and in some ways I think it is worse. When I originally signed up to a local ISP, they accepted cash, etc, but I still had to provide a credit card "for proof of age only". No problem. As their office was 2 blecks from my work, I walked in and paid them in person each and every month. The few times I forgot to go, they turned my service off, which is EXACTLY the right thing to do, as I never gave them permission to use the credit card (since it was for verification only). Only I think it was the ONLY option anyway because I COMPLETELY forgot I ever even gave them a credit card number at all. Several years go by. They got bought out by Primary Net. Same office, same procedure, same outcome when I forget to go pay in a timely manner. A year later they got bought out by MPower. Again, same office, same procedure, same outcome when I forget to go pay in a timely manner. Several months later, they decide they only want to provide dialups to businesses, but they have so nicely already arranged for all the residential accounts to be transferred to Earthlink. I thought to myself, screw that, When my service here dies, I'll go 2 blocke the other way and sign up with the other local ISP that was on my list anyway, and when I don't pay EL they will dump that account. My service ended up dying on my several months later, so the next day I signed up with another local ISP. Same deal, I pay cash, if I don't pay they cut me off.
In the meantime, all my data from my former ISP has been transferred to Earthlink. Apparently Earthlink doesn't give a rats patoot if your card is "for verification only" because they started charging on it right away. It was only 3 months later when we realized what was going on. After 2 calls totalling almost 2 hours of nothing but muzak time I finally got a person on the other end. I'll have to say that they didn't give me a hard time about it, but the guy insisted he could only give me 2 months charges back and I would have to call my credit card company about the 3rd month. I finally got my money back but the thing that bothered me more than anything was that I guess no matter how they get your credit card number they figure thats all they need to start putting charges on it, regardless if they have your permission or not.
"...seriously, why must this always be handled via legislation? We live in a free market society right, if there is a viable business model here it will be found and worked out... "
Not in cases like this where the bottomless pockets of the RIAA have the lawmakers that are supposed to represent US in THEIR pockets...
Welp, the remote controls need to be outlawed, too, huh??? ....I guess we can no longer click through channels during the commercials...
Next thing they'll want to do is require the tv to be connected to furniture with electronically controlled handcuffs attached. Then you can't start a show til you put the handcuff on, and the handcuff won't release til the show is over. What a concept!