Well, I can still hear a noticeable difference between a CD nnmy CD player and a tape adapter. Not mentionning that: a. you're screwing up your tape drive. I destroyed 2 of mine with tape adapters. Not that I'm ever going to use them for anything else than tape adapter but still... b. There is a wire and a "floating device" to handle while driving. c. You have to buy a charger for your iPod which I guess is very expensive if you plan on letting it in the car.
Well, as much as I agree with you (and I do) I think the parent still has a point. Semiconductors actually have a meaning and a use. If you stop building semiconductors, a whole part of the economy is going to die, and not a small one. Flip-coin toss analysis on the other hand, has a very minimal added value, to say the least.
who would be the most likely culprit for instilling that fear in the first place?
If you think people have a fear of windows, let me tell you that they would be terrified by the idea that they might eventually have to type a command in a terminal one day. In this regard, I don't think Linux would do any better than Windows is. The fear is that most of the time, there is no "Undo" and there is always something to do that could "be fatal", read: destroy the system, loose all their docs, etc...
The fear is to screw up everything by mistake and not being able to do anything about it. Linux is no different than Winblows in this regard: Once you've deleted a file, there is no coming back.
I realize that you are trying to make a joke, but seriously, how painful is a Linux upgrade compared to a WindowsUpdate(R)(C)TM? Cause that's about the price you pay almost daily to get up-to-date.
Some benefits: 1. Tomorrow, Sun might decide to charge for a JVM. Then you will be screwed. 2. They might decide to drop Java, closing all future to all your beautiful programs. 3. What if Sun decide not to support your favorite platform? (Say BeOS, or Linux on PS/2, or HP48SX...)
With open-source, this is less likely to happen - though still possible. We can imagine for Java that we will always have some geeks ready to give a hand even if Sun dropped the whole thing.
The article does mention that the only visible part of the J2EE iceberg (visible to the decision-makers, not the geeks) is webservers such as Websphere and Weblogic. It doesn't say anything else. It does mention open-source implementations.
What the author is talking about is a lack of the right communication from Sun on this matter. If Sun continue to advertise only WebSphere and WebLogic, they set the visible price very high.
If you think Java is in the enterprise because it is portable, you are greatly mistaken. There are some stuff in Java that makes it a great tool for the job, and portability is only one of them: Portability, Reflection, RMI, Proxies, J2EE,... And I did forget a lot in the process.
Qt and GTK are not even languages, what the hell are you talking about? You are comparing an enterprise level language with a GUI library! Java is not Swing!
"What systems would Slashdot readers suggest that could manage the ripped DVD files as a complete disk, and serve them up?"
He doesn't seem to have a problem to display the movies, does it? He has a problem managing it and serving them up. Where do you see a part where he asks "How can I tranfer my images from my monitor to my TV?"
What he has is a basic system to serve basic MPEG streams to his plasma. He want a software a little more evolved that could do the whole DVD thing, not just serving MPEGs
I was actually trying to say that kicking out ONE piece of the Patriot Act after 2 years is a proof that the system barely works, as there is still plenty of crap to kick out in there. At this rate, it'll take 50 years.
Maybe you ought to do yourself a nice thing and start reading the story. That's what he says did, in the story. His question is: What's next? Which software to use once he has a TB of DVDs ripped and a TV-Out ready?
Well, obviously some part of it has already been rules unconstitutional. That's a start. If it shows anything, that is: 1. The legal process is finally getting it right 2. It is about time!! More than 2 years after it was made into law 3. There was obviously something wrong in it. Who would doubt there's more.
Read it for yourself, so next time, you'll know what you're talking about.
Ok, let's say it that way then, since a bunch of folks doesn't seem to understand the core concept:
The BSD license is free: Anyone can use any code under the BSD license, wrap it, mofify it, etc... There is one constraint: The BSD license text must appear in the derived works.
The GPL license is less free: Anyone can use any code under the GPL license, wrap it, mofify it, etc... There is one constraint: All derived works MUST BE GPL if they are to be redistributed
The constraint that BSD is putting is almost nothing. It is just a matter of acknowledging where you got the source code from. Unless you are not honest, there is no reason why one wouldn't want to comply with it.
The constraint that GPL is putting is another matter entirely. Pretty much prevent the use of GPL code in any code that is not GPL. If that is not a BIGGER contraint than BSD, then I don't know what is.
Hence, GPL being charged with more important constraints than BSD, I qualify it of "Less Free". My terminology might not be of your taste, but now you have all the explanations you can dream of.
On the matter of your analogy with slavery, I would say that a piece of code can hardly be compared with human beings. I could easily build such a stupid analogy in my favor saying something like: Working in a GPL company would require you to work for them forever. A BSD company would allow you to work for another company See? As meaningless. Let's try to compare things that are not totally different...
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Well, I can still hear a noticeable difference between a CD nnmy CD player and a tape adapter. Not mentionning that:
a. you're screwing up your tape drive. I destroyed 2 of mine with tape adapters. Not that I'm ever going to use them for anything else than tape adapter but still...
b. There is a wire and a "floating device" to handle while driving.
c. You have to buy a charger for your iPod which I guess is very expensive if you plan on letting it in the car.
Well, I'd say it sounds like temporary DIY.
Cause I bought it before the iPod was available. Any other questions?
Well, as much as I agree with you (and I do) I think the parent still has a point. Semiconductors actually have a meaning and a use. If you stop building semiconductors, a whole part of the economy is going to die, and not a small one. Flip-coin toss analysis on the other hand, has a very minimal added value, to say the least.
Make sure to hold down CTRL while repeatedly clicking refresh so that it REALLY tries to refresh
That is true with Netscape, but certainly not with IE, which is 70-80% of their traffic anyways...
who would be the most likely culprit for instilling that fear in the first place?
If you think people have a fear of windows, let me tell you that they would be terrified by the idea that they might eventually have to type a command in a terminal one day. In this regard, I don't think Linux would do any better than Windows is. The fear is that most of the time, there is no "Undo" and there is always something to do that could "be fatal", read: destroy the system, loose all their docs, etc...
The fear is to screw up everything by mistake and not being able to do anything about it. Linux is no different than Winblows in this regard: Once you've deleted a file, there is no coming back.
Both BSD and GPL offer the possibility to fork and create your own branch! Why would the license be an issue for this problem?
This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process.
Not to be a Grammar Nazi or something, but you are not supposed to die out of an autopsy. You are supposed to be dead before.
This looks more like a Nazi "scientific" experiment than an autopsy to me.
I am not saying anything, I am just asking a question.
I am not using Gentoo. I was just asking a question.
I realize that you are trying to make a joke, but seriously, how painful is a Linux upgrade compared to a WindowsUpdate(R)(C)TM? Cause that's about the price you pay almost daily to get up-to-date.
Well, there is a hell of a difference. Java doesn't charge anything for Java while IBM charges a hell of a lot of money for DB2. See the difference?
But you did allow one of your sites to be used for spam relay, even if by mistake
He was asking you a question, not accusing you of anything
Well, it doesn;t look like a question to me.
Some benefits:
1. Tomorrow, Sun might decide to charge for a JVM. Then you will be screwed.
2. They might decide to drop Java, closing all future to all your beautiful programs.
3. What if Sun decide not to support your favorite platform? (Say BeOS, or Linux on PS/2, or HP48SX...)
With open-source, this is less likely to happen - though still possible. We can imagine for Java that we will always have some geeks ready to give a hand even if Sun dropped the whole thing.
Do you really believe all that you read on the Internet?
This is typical from a Slashdot post. The article talks about strategy and positions from Sun and you try to debute it with a mere technical anecdote.
You are way off. I'd suggest you (re-)read the article.
The article does mention that the only visible part of the J2EE iceberg (visible to the decision-makers, not the geeks) is webservers such as Websphere and Weblogic. It doesn't say anything else. It does mention open-source implementations.
What the author is talking about is a lack of the right communication from Sun on this matter. If Sun continue to advertise only WebSphere and WebLogic, they set the visible price very high.
If you think Java is in the enterprise because it is portable, you are greatly mistaken. There are some stuff in Java that makes it a great tool for the job, and portability is only one of them: Portability, Reflection, RMI, Proxies, J2EE, ... And I did forget a lot in the process.
Qt and GTK are not even languages, what the hell are you talking about? You are comparing an enterprise level language with a GUI library! Java is not Swing!
Try to tell that to my grandma!!! Not mentionning thet there is no wget with Windows...
And how exactly are you going to install Mozilla if you don't have any IE installed on your system? Order a CD?
Well, let's re-read the FS together then:
"What systems would Slashdot readers suggest that could manage the ripped DVD files as a complete disk, and serve them up?"
He doesn't seem to have a problem to display the movies, does it? He has a problem managing it and serving them up. Where do you see a part where he asks "How can I tranfer my images from my monitor to my TV?"
What he has is a basic system to serve basic MPEG streams to his plasma. He want a software a little more evolved that could do the whole DVD thing, not just serving MPEGs
You are right, I forgot to conclude my post.
I was actually trying to say that kicking out ONE piece of the Patriot Act after 2 years is a proof that the system barely works, as there is still plenty of crap to kick out in there. At this rate, it'll take 50 years.
Maybe you ought to do yourself a nice thing and start reading the story. That's what he says did, in the story. His question is: What's next? Which software to use once he has a TB of DVDs ripped and a TV-Out ready?
Well, obviously some part of it has already been rules unconstitutional. That's a start. If it shows anything, that is:
1. The legal process is finally getting it right
2. It is about time!! More than 2 years after it was made into law
3. There was obviously something wrong in it. Who would doubt there's more.
Read it for yourself, so next time, you'll know what you're talking about.
Ok, let's say it that way then, since a bunch of folks doesn't seem to understand the core concept:
The BSD license is free: Anyone can use any code under the BSD license, wrap it, mofify it, etc... There is one constraint: The BSD license text must appear in the derived works.
The GPL license is less free: Anyone can use any code under the GPL license, wrap it, mofify it, etc... There is one constraint: All derived works MUST BE GPL if they are to be redistributed
The constraint that BSD is putting is almost nothing. It is just a matter of acknowledging where you got the source code from. Unless you are not honest, there is no reason why one wouldn't want to comply with it.
The constraint that GPL is putting is another matter entirely. Pretty much prevent the use of GPL code in any code that is not GPL. If that is not a BIGGER contraint than BSD, then I don't know what is.
Hence, GPL being charged with more important constraints than BSD, I qualify it of "Less Free". My terminology might not be of your taste, but now you have all the explanations you can dream of.
On the matter of your analogy with slavery, I would say that a piece of code can hardly be compared with human beings. I could easily build such a stupid analogy in my favor saying something like:
Working in a GPL company would require you to work for them forever. A BSD company would allow you to work for another company
See? As meaningless. Let's try to compare things that are not totally different...
If you use a BSD license, you won't get any reward either
I would rather say: If you use a BSD license, you might not get any reward either.