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iPod Mini Autopsy

tritone writes "Some fearless soul has disassembled his iPod mini and provided pictures and commentary about the process. This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process. That's $249 well spent in the pursuit of knowledge. See the full report at www.ipodlounge.com."

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  1. Well... by baldass_newbie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is the battery at least covered under warranty?

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    1. Re:Well... by rholliday · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Probably not, according to this subversive gentleman. :)

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    2. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      $250???!???!! Do you know how many lap dances he could have bought with that? At full price, 10 lap dances, but generally strippers will give you a discount for quantity. Hell, he could've got more than a lap dance with that kind of money.

      And the fact that there is a site called "ipodlounge.com".. It's a fucking music player!!! What is there to get all excited about? A whole fucking web site devoted to iPod masturbation? You people are fucking obsessed.

      The truth of it all

    3. Re:Well... by gringo_john · · Score: 5, Informative
      The battery is covered by the usual on year warranty only. Apple provides an extended warranty which extends the warranty to 2 years.

      When the battery dies under warranty, the usual process is that you send your dead iPod in it's whole to Apple and they send you a refurbished unit.

      Having said that, there are how-to documents that show how to open the iPod and swap the battery yourself, saving a bit of money.

      I guess all the bad press that Apple has received over the lifespan issues of the iPod battery has really pushed them to provide the extended warranty and an avenue to have them replace the battery on a pay per battery type deal.

    4. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Gee, I wonder if that's what he was referring to in the first place, dumbass?

    5. Re:Well... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well at least you can recharge the battery on the ipod and get another few hours of enjoyment out of it. Unlike the lapdance.

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    6. Re:Well... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, the battery is covered by the plastic housing of the case. Well, at least until you take the case apart.

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    7. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not that Apple Care never existed before that or anything...

    8. Re:Well... by cabingirl · · Score: 4, Informative
      The battery is probably not covered by warranty or extended warranty if the iPod has been opened, because they would likely call that an unauthorized repair.

      Apple does offer a battery replacement service if your iPod is out of warranty, but I don't know if the same restrictions would apply.

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    9. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      HAH, Thanks for the slashing guys... my server is barely coping ;) I'm going to have Apache recompiled to allow MORE connections. See if that helps... I doubt it ;) And yes, the site runs on a 1st generation iPod. ;) We had problems using the 3G iPod... Linux didn't like the touch wheel.

      Dennis Lloyd
      Publisher/owner
      iPodlounge.com

    10. Re:Well... by WorkEmail · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think anything will be under warranty if they can tell it has been opened. If you can reassemble it and make it seem as though it hasn't been taken apart, and just simply doesn't work, take it back to the 16 year old girl at the return counter and try to exchange it. ;)

    11. Re:Well... by ePhil_One · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The issue wasn't that the battery wasn't covered under warranty, I think everyone accepts that batteries, even rechargables, are consumable items, just like the brakes and motor oil in your car. The issue was that Apple wanted hundreds of dollars to replace the battery, making it cost effective to simply buy a new iPod when the battery died.

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    12. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not any more. Their replacements are still pricey, but considering that the design of the iPods means that opening the case is a high-risk affair (something they can't easily fix, by the way; the lack of a removeable battery is critical to the design that everyone loves so much until the battery dies) involving a decent chance of having to replace some component other than the battery puts the price, unfortunately, right about where it should be.

    13. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can reassemble it and make it seem as though it hasn't been taken apart, and just simply doesn't work, take it back to the 16 year old girl at the return counter and try to exchange it. ;)

      Yeah - that's what I was thinking too. And if you bought it online, just go buy another one locally (preferably some place like Circuit City or Best Buy if they cary them because their employees don't get paid enough to care about anything) and then do a swap out and return the dead one for a refund. Or at least exchange it for another new one (so the store technically keeps the sale on the "books") and then sell the new, unopened one on eBay. (Or keep it if you can afford it.)

    14. Re:Well... by WorkEmail · · Score: 1

      Exactly, a lot of "Big Box" retailers like Best Buy are very ignorant to things regarding technology, and the people at the return counter don't know much about tech things, I would give it a shot.

    15. Re:Well... by awebus · · Score: 3, Funny
      HAH, Thanks for the slashing guys...
      Interesting terminology. In Australia, and I'm not sure where else, to 'slash' means to take a piss.
    16. Re:Well... by R33MSpec · · Score: 1

      I'm Aussie (in Victoria) and I can honestly say that I've never used or heard that term used for taking a piss before?!?!

    17. Re:Well... by awebus · · Score: 1

      It might just be a Queensland thing.

    18. Re:Well... by trentblase · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know about you, but I only take a couple minutes to recharge after a lapdance.

    19. Re:Well... by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      umm, if you are out of warrenty and your battery dies,

      a) you have no warrenty to void
      b) you cannot buy apple care after the first year

      so what the hell is keeping some one from replacing the battery on their own? sheer stupidity.

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    20. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might just be a Queensland thing.

      WA too. It's a bogan thing : )

    21. Re:Well... by Lars+T. · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what does to slashdot mean in Australia? Writing yellow Morse Code in the snow?

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    22. Re:Well... by abdulla · · Score: 1

      Nope, I'm in Melbourne and the boys take a slash on the fence when we're on holiday, it's a wonderful tradition of marking our territory.

    23. Re:Well... by mallie_mcg · · Score: 1

      Well taking a slash is used widely in South Australia here.

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  2. Eep! by PatrickThomson · · Score: 4, Funny

    No comments at all and already slashdotted... What's the webserver running on, an iPod?

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    1. Re:Eep! by Kenja · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm betting on an old Newton.

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    2. Re:Eep! by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, probably a Newton 120.

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    3. Re:Eep! by AvantLegion · · Score: 2, Funny
      No comments at all and already slashdotted... What's the webserver running on, an iPod?

      Yup, and a mini broken one at that.

    4. Re:Eep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Actually according to Netcraft:

      The site www.ipodlounge.com is running Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.3 PHP/4.1.2 mod_perl/1.26 on Linux.

      Don't know if the Linux on iPod site has got all that working yet, so it might be Intel based ; -)

    5. Re:Eep! by Revek · · Score: 1

      damn stole my line

    6. Re:Eep! by puddpunk · · Score: 1

      *Clicks on link to see an ipod being ripped apart* ...

      "Eat up Martha"

    7. Re:Eep! by Omega1045 · · Score: 2, Funny

      An iPod running Windows 95a, with Personal Web Server.

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    8. Re:Eep! by tuffy · · Score: 1, Informative

      That .php extension is always a sign of doom for a webserver. I'm sure that dynamic, script-driven website seemed like a good idea until a ton of people decided to come knocking all at once...

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    9. Re:Eep! by bobobobo · · Score: 1

      No wonder it told me to Eat Up Martha.

  3. We Need Help... by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    In getting the drive to work outside the Ipod. though. check slickdeals for a $255 pre-order deal through Target.

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  4. When, by JoeLinux · · Score: 2, Funny

    will they put out the f*cking $100 one? The one we were all hoping for? Right after Duke Nukem Forever comes out, right?

    1. Re:When, by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 5, Funny

      will they put out the f*cking $100 one? The one we were all hoping for? Right after Duke Nukem Forever comes out, right?

      Of course they will. Right before Infinium Labs releases the Phantom.

    2. Re:When, by FreemanPatrickHenry · · Score: 1

      will they put out the f*cking $100 one? The one we were all hoping for? Right after Duke Nukem Forever comes out, right?

      I'm fairly certain that the HURD will come out before the $100 iPod ;-)

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    3. Re:When, by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which will come with a copy with Half-Life 2.

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    4. Re:When, by cscx · · Score: 1

      If $100 is all you want to spend, here you go

    5. Re:When, by jmoen · · Score: 1, Funny

      The funny thing is that a friend of mine just bought a brand new ATI Radeon 9800XT and got just that.
      Not the game exactly but a pice of paper with a serial key on saying that _when_ the game is released he'll get a free copy of HL2.

      Nice... :)

      -jmoen-

    6. Re:When, by thelasttemptation · · Score: 1

      Here ya go
      Hurd

      and ya, it's out, just not very... umm... how to say.... useable? :)

    7. Re:When, by Chiron+Taltos · · Score: 5, Insightful
      will they put out the f*cking $100 one? The one we were all hoping for? Right after Duke Nukem Forever comes out, right?

      How does what users hoped for, equate to vaporware? Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Apple ever saying they'd release a $100 iPod.

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    8. Re:When, by hambonewilkins · · Score: 1
      Mod this parent up!

      The $100 iPod has NEVER been promised by Apple. This is not vaporware, this is iwantacheapipodware.

      DNF, on the other hand, has been promised by the firm, as has the Phantom Console, Half-Life 2, etc.

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    9. Re:When, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a joke; as in "it will never happen". Lighten up, sheesh.

    10. Re:When, by darc · · Score: 1

      And also include Sony's PSP?

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    12. Re:When, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which will run Longhorn.

    13. Re:When, by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      I would love an iPod, but I'm po'. So what I did is buy a $50 MP3 CD player. With a little research and time spent scouting eBay, you can get a very decent player for that amount of money. 6-10 albums per CD. Not bad, IMHO, and far more worth the cost for me than an iPod or a huge memory card for my PDA.

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    14. Re:When, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, those slips of paper are going to be so gooey by the time people get to redeem them.

    15. Re:When, by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      After seeing a friend go through four MP3 CD players in a 12 month period, I decided to go ahead and get an iPod. I was very lucky. Not only did I manage to score a 10 GB 2nd Gen iPod from Apple's refurb page for $170, but when it arrived, it was new in the original box!

      At the time I bought, I was still skeptical about the iPod, but I figured that I'd be able to ebay it for a profit if I didn't like it. Within a few weeks I was absolutely thrilled by this purchase. It is my second most essential gadget (laptop is still #1), and I would gladly pay full retail for a new one. All that crap you hear from the kool aid drinkers about the iPod changing their lives and reinvigorating their love for music is true!

      If they made a matte black mini, I'd buy one as a fashion accessory!

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    16. Re:When, by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, the iPod is great. My girlfriend has one, and I occasionally use it. We both use it a ton while at home- it's our jukebox connected to the stereo. No looking around for CDs, that's fer sure.

      But for me, it is really overkill. Most of the time, I don't carry around the MP3 CD player; I'm a man of albums, and usually kind of get stuck on just one album for a day, at least when I'm away from a computer with a jazillion of my ripped tunes. Most of the time, I just use my PDA with one or maybe two albums on it, listening to it on the bus, etc. But when I'm gone on a trip or something the MP3 CD player comes in handy... With 4 CDs I have 90% of my preferred music.

      Before I bought the $50 MP3 CD player, I really considered the iPod... I'd love to get a 5 GBer for $100 or so, but in the end decided to get the cd player. Works for me.

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    17. Re:When, by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Hey Rev.,

      For the record, this friend of mine was not known for taking good care of her stuff, so that might have something to do with going through so many.

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  5. Server is already slow - here's the text by ghettoboy22 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Photo server is still up at http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/thumbnails.php? album=6 Taking apart the iPod mini

    February 23, 2004 By Greg Koenig

    Apple has crammed a lot of stuff into the anodized aluminum enclosure of the new iPod mini, and taking it apart is no easy task. I'm an industrial designer with lots of experience pulling back the curtain and meeting the wizard in PDAs, Mp3 players, stereos, watches and all sorts of other gear. I am usually pretty good at it, having not broken something in years (lots of bug hunts for tiny parts on the floor though). Except my brand-new iPod mini, where I screwed up big time... twice!

    The Procedure:

    Tools needed: (1) Wiha 1.5mm flat head screwdriver (1) Wiha Philips #000 screwdriver (1) Needle nose pliers or medical (Kelly type) hemostats (1) Hair dryer

    To help illustrate my disassembly adventure, view the iPod mini autopsy photos and follow along.

    To begin with, make sure the 'Hold' button is locked into the ON position (showing orange) to prevent the internal components to be turning on while you are taking it apart.

    The plastic top and bottom plates are glued into place with a tacky adhesive that will soften considerably when heated so use the hair dryer on a low setting to heat up the top plate. Work the area until it's very warm to the touch. Now turn the mini around so you're looking at the Apple logo and squeeze the two rounded edges together at the top, causing the enclosure to bow a little bit in the middle. Insert the flat bladed screwdriver between the plastic and the metal (in line directly above the Apple logo) and gently pry the plate straight up. Work around the edges, leaving the area around the 'Hold' button till last. When you finally do get to the 'Hold' button area, pry carefully and pull the plate STRAIGHT up. Behind the 'Hold' button are two plastic standoffs (sort of like tabs) that extend down into the case and push the real switch on and off. If you pry the thing out at an angle, you will break one of these standoffs. That was mistake #1 for me. The actual 'Hold' switch soldiered onto the main board broke, so the 'Hold' switch no longer works.

    Now perform the same procedure on the plastic bottom plate. When it is removed, you will see a shiny sheet-metal plate held in place under spring tension by 4 tabs inserted into reliefs machined into the enclosure. At the end of each of these tabs, you will see a round hole. Use the Philips #000 in these holes and carefully pry each tab out of its slot. The sheet-metal plate will come right out.

    Next, you need to disconnect a ribbon cable that connects the scroll/click wheel assembly to the main baord. This ribbon cable is on the bottom of the mini on the left hand side. It is orange. You can't miss it. Use the 1.5mm blade screwdriver to pry it apart. If there isn't enough slack in the ribbon cable, don't worry, as long as you get the connector loose, you have done your job here.

    Turn the mini over, looking back into the top, you will see two tiny philips head screws on either side of another metal plate. Remove these with the #000 screwdriver carefully and put them in a safe place (don't drop these on the floor, you will never see them again).

    Now comes the fun part - gently push on the 30 pin connector at the bottom of the mini and all of the main components (on an assembly I call the component sled) will slide right out the top. It is a bit tight, but if you meet major resistance, back off and INSURE you have the ribbon cable disconnected. This is where I messed up and killed my iPod mini, I forgot to check and I pushed with all my might, ripping the ribbon cable off of the male connector. Oops.

    The component sled contains nearly all of the iPod's internals; the main circuit board, battery, LCD display and hard drive. While the LCD is held onto the ma inboard with 4 plastic tabs, the battery and HD ar

    1. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      check out google's cache

    2. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by Profe55or+Booty · · Score: 3, Funny
      Photo server is still up at http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/thumbnails.php? album=6

      no... no it's not...

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    3. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by kiza · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Photo server is still up at http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/thumbnails.php? album=6

      Yeah, we took care of that.

    4. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Funny

      >Tools needed: (1) Wiha 1.5mm flat head screwdriver (1) Wiha Philips #000 screwdriver (1) Needle nose pliers or medical (Kelly type) hemostats (1) Hair dryer

      Given the outcome, this list is obviously not necessary and sufficient.

      Nifty business idea though.
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    5. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by dmayle · · Score: 1

      Has anyone thought that the problem reading it is most likely due to the format? Mount it under linux, run a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever and wipe any partition off, then repartition... (I doubt that the Canon Digital Rebel recognizes HFS...)

    6. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by shamino0 · · Score: 1
      Has anyone thought that the problem reading it is most likely due to the format?

      I got the impression that this was what the author was referring to. I thought he was trying to mount it as-is, to read whatever low-level stuff (like system software) the iPod reads that you can't get access to through the normal FireWire interface.

      I am a bit curious about what kind of computer he tried to use to mount it with. His Lexar card reader should just pass the drive as-is to the host computer, which will have to understand the file system. I'm guessing he has a PC running Windows, and therefore can't mount HFS volumes without third party software.

      If, however, he has a Mac, then we end up with a much more interesting question.

    7. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by Phekko · · Score: 1

      come now, surely it will be helpful to know what NOT to use ;)

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    8. Re:Server is already slow - here's the text by baka_boy · · Score: 1

      I know the guy, and he's definitely working on a Mac. The iPod hard drives are all FAT32 formatted, IIRC, so it probably would have mounted successfully if the CF drives weren't crippled (as a number of other articles have already reported).

  6. $249? by glen604 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Did he really spend the money on the iPod, or was it discovered inside a crashed flying saucer somewhere?

    1. Re:$249? by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i think the mini-ipod will be a complete flop, too price for too little.

      If it was being manufactured by any company besides Apple, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but we all know it will do reasonable well, simply because it's an Apple product.

    2. Re:$249? by Helmut+Kool · · Score: 1

      Well, since he broke it, it's probably better that way.

    3. Re:$249? by macmaniac · · Score: 0
      i think the mini-ipod will be a complete flop, too price for too little.
      There could always be a market for pulling out the >$250 4 GB MicroDrive out of there for PDAs (and eBay). That drive has been seen as high as $500... Drive specs
    4. Re:$249? by YomikoReadman · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think you are failing to realize that those products are aimed at two different markets. The regular iPod we all know and love is not being marketed at the demographic interested in a minature MP3 player, along the lines of the RCA Lyra, or other products along those lines. In that same vein, the iPod Mini is not being marketed towards the folks out there who are interested in a MP3 player with anywhere from 15GB all the way up to 40GB.

      I think that once you take that into account, you'll find that the iPod Mini is about the best deal on the market, from a formfactor v price standpoint, as well as the fact that it's the cheapest player in that market.

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    5. Re:$249? by System.out.println() · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I went to the Apple store last weekend and played with one. It really is a lot smaller than you'd think - barely bigger than my year-old MuVo, with about 30 times the capacity, and a hell of a lot cooler. Plus, I only have 4GB of music, so whenever I get money this is going to be one of my first purchases.

      Anyone who either has small music libraries, or doesn't need their entire library with them at all times, will probably fall in love with these things. And if you wanted a bigger iPod to use as a backup hard drive, that's just silly, as a mere $100 can buy you a ~100 gig FW hard drive, if not more.
      Once again, Apple has positioned their products nicely as "amateur" (iPod mini) and "hardcore" (bigger iPods) products. They should be viewed as such.

    6. Re:$249? by L.J.+Hanson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "i think the mini-ipod will be a complete flop, too price for too little."

      I'd say 100,000 units preordered isn't a flop.

    7. Re:$249? by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it's a 0.1 Megaflops.

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    8. Re:$249? by clf8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ok, we'll go over it again boys and girls. It's the market, the Mini isn't there to compete with the iPod. The Mini is there to compete against your $200-300 1gig flash player. If you want to spend $100, then get a little 256MB player and be done with it.

      You probably think Firewire is useless too.

    9. Re:$249? by falcon5768 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      well since they have sold 100,000 of them in pre-orders alone I highly doubt its a flop...

      It seems that a lot of the reports are pointing to tech savy females and not us gun-ho more bang for the buck males buying them... I know my girlfriend wanted a pink one the minute she saw it despite the 249.00 price tag (hers is shipping now)

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    10. Re:$249? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A complete flop??? If you do more research, you will find that Apple had over 100,000 people pre-order the mini.. this is before it was even released. SO do the math.. 249 x 100,000 = 2.5 mil

    11. Re:$249? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "i think the mini-ipod will be a complete flop, too price for too little."

      Sigh*

      You'll hear this up and down the slashdot site. If a fashion magazine did the review, this would be the new hotness.

      For practical reason, why buy a porche (sp?), when a hyundaii 9k car can do the same. Bad analogy, but I'm trying to point out the style.

      Compare this unit to the flash memory mp3 market. It's right in there... hell the autopsy/murder shows its a CF card! (I believe the normal ipods are harddrives)

    12. Re:$249? by joshua404 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I bought the Mini because it's significantly smaller than the 15 gig iPod. It's also much more solidly built thanks to the aluminum case. Moving the controls under the jog dial is also a huge improvement. But the size and sturdiness were what convinced me: The mini fits into a relatively cramped pocket on a pair of jeans or gym shorts.. the regular iPod just can't do that.

    13. Re:$249? by Darth+Maul · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is that why they're selling well right now? Some people want a smaller device.

      I have a 15GB iPod. My wife and I just bought a iPod mini (blue) for her to use. I must admit it's pretty cool. You really need to see it in person to appreciate the small size and brush-aluminum coolness factor. I was pretty skeptical at first, too.

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    14. Re:$249? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are fashion conscious male techies too y'know!

      I'm getting a silver one simply because it looks better and I'm not huge on music to be honest - my collection in total is only 3.5GB and I don't listen to it all anyway. Why would I want to pay more for a large, less attractive (although still well designed) device with 11GB more that will be totally redundant 99% of the time. The only thing I can possibly think I would need it for is if I got one of those memory stick readers and backed up my photos so I only needed one stick.

      Before anyone says $250 for a 4GB device is overpriced, look at the competition. Sony 256MB MP3s are about 150GBP here, and that's more than $250. The Creative MuVo 4GB (comparable size and capacity, but nothing like the build quality I've seen in the past from Apple and no more than average design) costs ~200GBP from Amazon, again much much more than the iPod for an all round inferior product.

      Having said all that, if build quality doesn't matter to you then I'm sure you'll find a player from some unknown manufacturer on eBay at a huge discount from the iPod. I, on the other hand, am the kind of person who spent 200GBP on a second mobile phone because it was made from titanium and looked good when I was going out. I'm more than happy to pay a premium for looks and quality.

    15. Re:$249? by error502 · · Score: 5, Funny

      A girl-friend of mine wanted to buy an iPod mini, too. I proceeded to explain why it was a waste of money and that she was stupid for even thinking to buy it.

      I made her cry.

      Needless to say, I am a great friend.

    16. Re:$249? by falcon5768 · · Score: 1
      i let her.. I told her to geth the 15 (I own the 5 already from way back) but she wanted it...

      I wouldnt call it a waste of money though... considering even my old 5 gig goes for 200 on ebay still I think it has held its value well

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    17. Re:$249? by error502 · · Score: 1

      I just meant it was a waste of money in comparison to the 15 GB iPod, which she now owns and is extremely happy with.

      The second I can find the cash, I'm probably going to buy a 40 GB iPod.

    18. Re:$249? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is not a waste of money to everyone just because it is to you. I already typed a post explaining why, so click here if you're interested.

      To sum up:
      I wouldn't use more than 4GB, so why pay for redundant space?
      It is cheaper than most comparable alternatives.
      It looks good.

    19. Re:$249? by jallen02 · · Score: 1

      Minus the development and component costs and support personnel.. I wonder what the real profit is?

      Jeremy

    20. Re:$249? by mtm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks. You made spew coke all over the internet!

    21. Re:$249? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Should've been Pepsi. You missed out on irony points.

    22. Re:$249? by letdownjournals · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did you also proceed to explain to her why it's a waste of money to buy all those fancy mall clothes, when a sweatshirt and a pair of Wal Mart jeans would cover her body just as well?

    23. Re:$249? by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 1

      People seem to be having a hard time understanding that there really is a market for this device. First off, 4GB is a hell of a lot bigger than any flash based player. Unless you want to store your whole music collection this has plenty of space. So you want to go running? go to the gym? you'd better believe the mini is much preferred over the traditional ipod. It's not that the regular ipod is big, but the mini is just a better size for listening to music when you're active. The mini seems perfect for almost every situation.

      I have no comment on the color schemes. I can't imagine who would buy a pink mini. It would be great to see a leaked memo at some point stating what percentage of mini sales is contributed by the various colors.

    24. Re:$249? by FredFnord · · Score: 1

      > I'm getting a silver one simply because it looks better and I'm not huge on music to be honest

      Um... so you're not huge on music (which I take to mean that you don't care much one way or the other for it) but you're paying $250 for an MP3 player?

      I'm a huge music buff, I know I'd use it every day (for, at least, my 20-minute walk to and from work), and I love the design... but I don't have one. I wish I had your budget.

      -fred

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    25. Re:$249? by Nebrie · · Score: 1

      And if you do think its there to compete with the iPod, Apple would like to congradulate you for forking over an extra $50 to them.

    26. Re:$249? by error502 · · Score: 1

      I don't need to. We're in college.

      We already dress like crap.

    27. Re:$249? by abdulla · · Score: 1

      Well I use my 20gb iPod to transfer files between friends and to grab photos and stuff from university. So far I've only got 5gb of music on it, but the extra room allows me to back up my programming on it and work on it wherever I am as well general portable hard drive use. Easier than 100's of megs over the net and nicer to carry around than CDRW's.

    28. Re:$249? by KiDas · · Score: 1

      Did anyone else notice that EvilTwinSkippy got 7 posts in this story moderated +5 funny?!

      This has got to be a record for one person in one story...

      Chris

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    29. Re:$249? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Before anyone says $250 for a 4GB device is overpriced, look at the competition. Sony 256MB MP3s are about 150GBP here, and that's more than $250.

      You're not comparing like-for-like. UK prices are always above US prices, and I assume the one you quoted includes VAT (i.e. sales tax). Plus, Sony are generally overpriced for what they are (and- it seems- these days without the quality to justify the inflated price).

      The 4GB device may be small in size, but I'd guess the capacity is too small to hold most people's CD collection. When larger capacity iPods of the same size come out in a years time, which can hold most people's entire collections, the mini iPod will seem inconvenient and passe (*).

      Perhaps that's the difference between us. I'll pay extra money for something that looks nice and is well-designed and even has weaker technical specs than the competition *if* there are no serious compromises or inconveniences.

      For example:- 60Gb device versus 40Gb device; not that big a deal, because I don't have anywhere near 40Gb worth of music and amn't likely to accumulate that much more soon. OTOH 4GB v 15-20GB; the latter will hold all my CDs, the former won't.... PITA.

      (*) Yeah, I know passe has an accent, but Slashdot won't let me enter the accented letter directly *or* the HTML entity...

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    30. Re:$249? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      I meant it more along the lines of not buying CDs that often and therefore having a relatively small collection.

    31. Re:$249? by Maarek_1 · · Score: 1

      Since the MuVo^2 4GB costs only $199.00 US right now, I am not sure why it is 200 GBP. As far as I know though when comparing US dollars, 199.00 250.00. As far a the build quality, they both use the same HDD and I am incredibly happy with my MuVo so I suppose it's just a matter of taste... I do like the removable Hard Drive function of the MuVo though. Does the Ipod Mini Function as a removable HDD? That would make it very cool.

    32. Re:$249? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      Ok, we'll go over it again boys and girls. It's the market, the Mini isn't there to compete with the iPod. The Mini is there to compete against your $200-300 1gig flash player.

      Actually, it competes with devices like the Rio Nitrus and the Creative Muvo2. You should at least try to be correct when you're going to be condescending. You didn't think Apple was the only company with access to mini hard drives, did you?


      You probably think Firewire is useless too.

      It is. (In the context of an ipod.)
      USB2.0 is much more ubiquitous, and can already support more speed than the drive in an ipod can handle. Plus, any computer with firewire typically has a USB port. Something like a microphone or an audio input would be much more useful. Nobody else includes firewire for a reason. Apple includes it because it's their pet technology and "firewire" just sounds so l33t.
      Technologically it's like hooking up and AGP card to a 386.... it just doesn't make sense.

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  7. More like murder by cerskine · · Score: 5, Funny

    In an autopsy, the doctor doesn't kill anything. So it was more like a murder, then. Think before you type.

    1. Re:More like murder by dnahelix · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, dissecting something while still alive is called a vivisection .
      But, yeah, you can call that murder.

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    2. Re:More like murder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hey, what happened to Think Different?

    3. Re:More like murder by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is apple. It's an iTopsy.

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    4. Re:More like murder by divide+overflow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Actually, dissecting something while still alive is called a vivisection .
      >But, yeah, you can call that murder.


      Actually, murder is intentional. I'm sure the accused didn't intend to end the life of his iPod. Therefore I think this would qualify as negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter.

    5. Re:More like murder by Golias · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The sad thing is, for killing an iPod, it was a wasted opportunity. Everybody already knew that they contained a battery, 32 MB of RAM, and a small HD.

      If you are going to kill an iPod just to show how '1337 you are, please do something useful: Reverse engineer the iPod Docking Connector!

      I really want to know what all the pin-outs are on that thing. For example, I'm convinced that some of them double the functions of the remote-control interface on the top of the iPod, but I don't want to send current through random pins on the base of my preciousssssss just to figure it out. A lot of us would like to build our own iPod accessories, but need the data from such an experiment to do it. (Apple will not tell you jack if you are not Belkin Technology, Inc. I'm far from the only one who has asked and been shot down.)

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    6. Re:More like murder by shamino0 · · Score: 5, Informative
      If you are going to kill an iPod just to show how '1337 you are...

      According to the article, he was figuring out the take-apart procedure in order to begin offering a re-coloring service for those iPod mini owners that don't like Apple's choice of colors.

      Obviously, if you're going to fuse new colors into anodized aluminum, you don't want to do it with any electronic or plastic parts still attached.

    7. Re:More like murder by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      Only if the iPod was a human being. Check .
      That is for the use of murder as noun. As a verb it might fit. So, you can't say it was murder, but you can sey the iPod was murdered.
      English is funny that way ;)

    8. Re:More like murder by rhiorg · · Score: 1

      Involuntary Podslaughter?

    9. Re:More like murder by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      >If you are going to kill an iPod just to show how '1337 you are, please do something useful: Reverse engineer the iPod Docking Connector!

      Please read the article fully before engaging in character assassination.

    10. Re:More like murder by darc · · Score: 1

      Let's see.. we're trying to put things into legal terms, none of you are lawyers, we haven't the slightest idea what we're talking about, and we're insulting the poster over their wording.

      Feels like Ask Slashdot to me :)

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    11. Re:More like murder by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Informative
      From http://developer.apple.com/hardware/ipod/ (extra dot added for spamproofing):
      iPod Accessory Developers
      Interested in developing a accessory for the new iPod and need more information on the connectors and technical specifications? If so please send an email to ipoddev@apple..com.

      You've done that? What did they say?
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    12. Re:More like murder by Golias · · Score: 3, Informative
      Basically, if you are not a major developer interested in pursuing a partnership-like relationship with them, they don't intend to tell you squat.

      And yes, that is the exact e-mail address I sent to.

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    13. Re:More like murder by Golias · · Score: 1

      Character assassination!? Dude, you need to lighten up.

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    14. Re:More like murder by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      > Character assassination!? Dude, you need to lighten up.

      Hmmm...thread title is "More like murder", then ther terms "negligent homicide" and "involuntary manslaughter" are suggested...and yet you neglect to consider that "character assassination" might be yet another joke. May I suggest that it is YOU who need to lighten up? :^)

    15. Re:More like murder by RubellaGolda · · Score: 1

      you mean negligent podicide or involuntary iSlaughter

    16. Re:More like murder by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Well, this is more akin to medical malpractice.

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    17. Re:More like murder by dnahelix · · Score: 1

      I don't think that would be a very good defense in the courtroom!

      "Your honor, I was only trying to see how his digestive system worked when I sliced him open, I wasn't trying to kill him!"

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  8. Get Riker to do the narration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and you've got the next boffo fox special!

  9. Duh by savagedome · · Score: 5, Funny

    This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process

    /.ers know that real men use 'kill -9' to do this.

    1. Re:Duh by Daverd · · Score: 2, Funny

      You don't use kill -9 when you want to kill something in the process.

      You use kill -9 when you want to kill the process. =)

    2. Re:Duh by pebs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      /.ers know that real men use 'kill -9' to do this.

      Only real idiots use kill -9.

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    3. Re:Duh by jonadab · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding? kill -9 is for wussies. Real men use init 1.

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    4. Re:Duh by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 1
      I got everything except the following...

      If that doesn't,REMOVE THE BINARY because the program is badly behaved!

      How is a binary removed from the process tables ? Or is he simply talking of deleting the file ?

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    5. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If I wanted to wait a half hour for dead processes to end, I'd switch to Windows. kill -9 rawks.

    6. Re:Duh by tmasssey · · Score: 1
      Exactly.

      In other words, if 15, 2, 1, etc. does not get it to shut down cleanly, it is a buggy piece of garbage and should be permanently removed from your system.

    7. Re:Duh by Stonent1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding? kill -9 is for wussies. Real men use init 1.

      REAL men pull out the cpu while the computer is running! Real idiots run killall on a Sun box, pseudo idiots stop-a - sync.

  10. Bore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also try to realize where your money went during this autopsy.

  11. Re:The iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    It's whack.

    But you know what's good? Learning to click the Post Anonymously checkbox when you're going troll with a lame, overused joke. :-)

  12. $249? by 2MuchC0ffeeMan · · Score: 1, Interesting

    wait, he spent $249 on this, when he could of spent ~$299 on the full 15gb version

    i think the mini-ipod will be a complete flop, too price for too little.

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  13. Fool! by joelgrimes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom. (J.R.R. Tolkien)

    1. Re:Fool! by Trespass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is also a geek saying that your understanding of computer hardware is in direct proportion to the amount of equipment you've fried. You want to know how it works. When you make a mistake and break something, hey, there's a good chance you won't make that *exact* mistake again. It's cumulative.

    2. Re:Fool! by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      So scientists smashing atoms are crazy?

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    3. Re:Fool! by System.out.println() · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pretty much, yeah.
      Would you want your parts to be smashed and have your quarks examined? I think not!

    4. Re:Fool! by Greedo · · Score: 4, Funny

      If that is case, I must be a friggin' genius!

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    5. Re:Fool! by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      I second that.

      Though I'm curious how anyone can work in a confined space like that, let alone be a genious. Hope it was at least something midrange size, but even then you would need to be a contortionist.

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    6. Re:Fool! by Wah · · Score: 1

      how true. the crazy thing is the same thing applies to other professions/hobbies.

      the sad thing is...it also applies to politicians.

      Listen to some of those 1940's anecdotes and feel a lot better about the equipment you've fried.

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    7. Re:Fool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one, pity the fool!

    8. Re:Fool! by Uosdwis · · Score: 1

      If it ain't broke, you can probably still fix it.
      - Tim Allen

      It needed more power so, I rewired it!
      - Tim Allen

    9. Re:Fool! by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 1

      He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom. (J.R.R. Tolkien)

      Wow, that is truly not helpful in the slightest.

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    10. Re:Fool! by pantherace · · Score: 1
      Nah, It's how well you can make them come back to life!

      Seriously, I have had 3 motherboards die (as in will not work period) & become resurected (full operational status) & stable 6 months later. (motherboards were: 1 socket A (Asus A7V), 1 K6-2 Super7, 1 dual socket 370 (serverworks chipset)

    11. Re:Fool! by dcam · · Score: 1

      I think I should turn in my geek status. I fried 3 power supplies the exact same stupid way (shorting on/off front pane connector contacts with a screwdriver).

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    12. Re:Fool! by El · · Score: 1

      He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom. Could you please explain that to my 3-year old? Thanks.

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    13. Re:Fool! by El · · Score: 1

      When you make a mistake and break something, hey, there's a good chance you won't make that *exact* mistake again. How true. I was trying to build my own modem once and fried the breadboard. I've stuck to writing software ever since!

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    14. Re:Fool! by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      Though I'm curious how anyone can work in a confined space like that,

      [Pulls out white flag while Tom Carnagie announces "THEY'RE WAVING IT OFF."]

      Really, people, if you are going to feed me straight lines like this, I cannot be held responsible for Clear Channel's reaction.

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  14. all that work and no 4gb camera friendly CF by mrycar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet this poor soul was expectign to get a Digicam friendly CF card out of his autopsy.

    $249 for a 4GB microdrive isn't a bad price, too bad it didn't work.

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    1. Re:all that work and no 4gb camera friendly CF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From the comments in the page:

      I took one apart also... The Hitachi drive works fine in my Sandisk USB reader. I can delete partitions and reformat it, etc. However, my Digital Rebel just turns the Red CF light on and sits there.

      By Kent Marshall on Feb 23, 04 4:17 am


      It looks like you can get the 4gb microdrive for $249 afterall.

    2. Re:all that work and no 4gb camera friendly CF by ubertemp · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, he took it apart because he was looking to start a service where you can have your case re-anodized in the color, colors or even images of your own choosing.

    3. Re:all that work and no 4gb camera friendly CF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all he needs to do is format and it will work...

  15. I'm sure... by thelasttemptation · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure in a month or two he could have gotten a dead one on ebay, thus saving himself $250. Why, oh why kill a good one?

    1. Re:I'm sure... by System.out.println() · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because he had to have it now. duh. In a month we'll have seen mini autopsies all over the place.

    2. Re:I'm sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      ...why kill a good one?
      Because some people will do anything to get fr1st ps0t mortem.
    3. Re:I'm sure... by DeltaSigma · · Score: 1
      Why, oh why kill a good one?
      To sell it on e-bay?
    4. Re:I'm sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily the only mp3 on it was a doleful bugle playing the first Last Post

  16. Slashdotted already - Google Cache by Trespass · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:jM4q0XOel_oJ: gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/
    thumbnails.php%3Falb um%3D6+ipod+mini+autopsy&hl=en &ie=UTF-8

    Copy and paste, remove the space, you know the drill.

    1. Re:Slashdotted already - Google Cache by Ianoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it really too hard to actually learn how to do a hyperlink? Besides, the Google cache is useless because it doesn't grab images.

    2. Re:Slashdotted already - Google Cache by randyest · · Score: 2, Informative

      Screw the "drill", why don't you just make a link?

      5 extra seconds for your trouble, vs 1000 x 5s for everyone; should be a no-brainer.

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    3. Re:Slashdotted already - Google Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because some people are rightfully leery of direct links to google caches presented to be one thing, but are actually links to google caches of goatse or tubgirl. Hey, knock yourself out though.

    4. Re:Slashdotted already - Google Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really so hard to cut and paste so you're sure you're not getting the google cache of goatse or tubgirl? Come now, you're just being cranky at the obvious karma whoring. :)

    5. Re:Slashdotted already - Google Cache by Artemis · · Score: 1

      Or you could just make it a link and not have to worry about /.'s lameness filter and URL breaking space insertions. Plus the drones like clicky stuff anyway. I never understood why it was so hard for all these people to make a link. You have time to go to the google cache for it and paste the URL, but not the extra five seconds of making a link? You spent more time putting "copy and paste, remove the space" instructions on your post than it would have taken you to just make the link. If you're going to be a karma whore at least make it easier on the readers.

    6. Re:Slashdotted already - Google Cache by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "5 extra seconds for your trouble, vs 1000 x 5s for everyone; should be a no-brainer."

      Should be a no-brainer...........IF YOU'RE A COMMUNIST!

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    7. Re:Slashdotted already - Google Cache by randyest · · Score: 1

      And how, exactly, will copy & paste help you predict the destination URL's potential offensiveness any more reliably than simply hovering one's mouse pointer over the link to see the full URL before clicking?

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  17. 4 Gig Compact Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Don't think of it as a wasted $250. He just got a 4 Gig Compact Flash for his Digital Camera at the bargin price of $250.

    1. Re:4 Gig Compact Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) It's not CF, 2) it won't work in most cameras.

  18. autopsy ? by funny-jack · · Score: 5, Funny

    This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process.

    Somehow I doubt that the D.A. would see it that way.

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    1. Re:autopsy ? by rholliday · · Score: 2, Funny

      "And you payed $249 for this dubious privledge. You're a sick sick man. I rest my case."

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  19. Auto Applications by Enze6997 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If there was an easy way to create some kind of direct hot swappable drive slot for this hard disk that you could switch between a PC and a car you could really do some crazy in car audio mods for cheap. Have the i-pod display and controll buttons mounted somewhere in the car and then just wire in the audio to the Aux audio input for the stereo. It would be a not only easy mod but a cool looking one if done right.

    1. Re:Auto Applications by axis-techno-geek · · Score: 1
      How about a USB connector for your in car audio system, then you could use a Pen Drive ;)

      Apple (TM) in car audio would come with FireWire...

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    2. Re:Auto Applications by neowolf · · Score: 1

      Not sure how the interface works or if they are still doing it, but I know VW was selling a special New Beetles with some kind of iPod interface to the sound system.

    3. Re:Auto Applications by Enze6997 · · Score: 1

      yeah I am pretty sure that is just FM Modulated and it has a cradle that connects the ipod to the rest of the car. I expected better from VW though. Very el-cheapo way of integrating it. I was thinking something where the scroller and display are integrated in the dash and you just swap drives accordingly in some kind of indash port.

    4. Re:Auto Applications by KshGoddess · · Score: 1

      Some of the newer cars come with an AUX jack; wouldn't be hard to jump over to radio snack and pick up a cable.

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    5. Re:Auto Applications by squeegee_boy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the connection (I think it was actually a cassette adapter) was a pretty big letdown. Especially since the factory head unit in my '97 Golf actually had a CD-in minijack on the front. Though it's not the integration we wish for, it's miles ahead of a modulator or cassette adapter.

    6. Re:Auto Applications by per11 · · Score: 1

      Just mount the whole iPod somewhere in your can and be done with it. C'mon, it's not that big.

    7. Re:Auto Applications by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      They have car mp3 players with a full sized (3.5", waaay cheaper) drive in the trunk in a removable enclosure. Take it in the house, sync, put it back in the car. I've even heard of ones that sync automatically over wi-fi...

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    8. Re:Auto Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alpine is releasing a headunit with an iPod connector module:

      To be released this summer.

  20. Better Link by RobertTaylor · · Score: 1

    The IpodLounge.com Gallery.

    Jonty should do some work ;)

  21. Hype? by Threni · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    There seems to be rather a lot of stuff on Slashdot - amongst other places - about what is essentially an overpriced walkman. Sure, some people like the style, but I prefer the looks and functionality (and cost) of an mp3 playing diskman. I wonder how much Apple has spent on this `guerilla advertising campaign`?

    1. Re:Hype? by damiam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you can strap a discman on an armband and go jogging with it, then you'll have a point.

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    2. Re:Hype? by Hitchcock_Blonde · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, not all of us are as clueless as you seem to be. How many songs can you store on that MP3 Diskman of yours?

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    3. Re:Hype? by DarkGreenNight · · Score: 1
      If you are able to take more than 4000 hours of music (just with the MiniIpod, five times more with slighty bigger players) with you, in one small pocket and with a walkman or a diskman I'll beleive you.

      MP3 players are more for the convenience of not having to bring ejectables (CDs, cassetes) just to listen to different kinds of music. Appart from that you can buy several kind of players depending on your needs.

      Style - Ipod

      Space - Creative

      Recording capabilites - Iriver

      Listening to music - Rio

      Why do I say Rio is for listening music while not the rest? I don't know for Iriver and Creative (or other brand) players, but Ipod are just stylish and lack gapless playback, and fall behind in the battery lasting time comparision.

      Why is important gapless playback? this web will explain it better than me.

      Just get what is better for you. May it be a walkman, an Ipod, a Rio Karma or somebody playing drums.

    4. Re:Hype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all you want is the functionality of a CD player, then of course an iPod is not for you.

      An iPod is not discman. An iPod is a hard drive plus iTunes. This is what make iPods great for people who want portable data storage for transporting files, storing images, video, and audio from digital cameras, AND gigs of music made extremely portable.

      Comparing an iPod to a discman is like comparing a PDA to a pad of paper.

    5. Re:Hype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agreed; however, i think it's on /. mainly because it features a hard drive, and therefore is peripherally related to geek-worthy pursuits such as computing.
      also it appears that the head slashdot nerds are apple slaves.
      (observation du jour)

    6. Re:Hype? by gilrain · · Score: 1

      Hm, the website you link to says that the 3rd generation iPods (read: iPod mini) have fixed the gap problems.

    7. Re:Hype? by prockcore · · Score: 1

      When you can strap a discman on an armband and go jogging with it, then you'll have a point.

      How much do you jog that you need an mp3 player with more than 256 megs of flash?

      I would never jog with a $250 harddrive strapped to my arm.

    8. Re:Hype? by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      When you can carry your entire music collection with you anywhere you want to, call up any song in your collection on demand (searching by name), generate playlists on the fly, and boot your computer from your discman, come back

      --
      T Money
      World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
    9. Re:Hype? by damiam · · Score: 1
      Some people like to be able to choose at listening time what music to listen to. While you can't do that while jogging, an iPod Mini lets you carry around a substantial collection while still being usable for exercise. For some people, it fills a niche that would otherwise require a flash-based player and a full-sized iPod.

      And, as Apple markets it for jogging use and provides a one-year warrenty, it wouldn't seem they're too concerned about hard drive problems caused by excessive shakage.

      --
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    10. Re:Hype? by DarkGreenNight · · Score: 1
      Where?


      The most clear reference I have found is just below the IPOD way of playing wavs where it says:


      Please note that the 3rd generation iPods may have improved on this but I've seen no mention of it and I'm pretty sure that even the newest iPods do not remove the silence caused by the MP3 encoder even if they have reduced or eliminated the silence added by the iPod itself. Either way, Apple have been ignoring the issue in the face of regular complaints from a reasonable number of people, as have most other makers of portable MP3 players, with a handful of exceptions.


      Emphasis mine.

    11. Re:Hype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if gapless playback is really a problem, it seems like if the author of a piece of music really wants it to be uninteruped, they'll usually make it all one track. Regradless, this is more of a ripping problem than anything, and it doens't sound like the author of the website has purchased any music from the ITMS to see if the problem presists there. The 1 second gaps he reported between tracks sounds suspiceously like ripping/playback setting issue. You can set itunes to rip with no gap (though a small gap would still be noticable). IAMOIU (I am not an iPod user), but I'd suspect that you can also set the iPod to play no gap between songs, and to do crossfade playback (which he metions using) These are the settings I use for I tunes, and I've never notticed any audible gap.

    12. Re:Hype? by gilrain · · Score: 1

      You're right, I misread that article. The part I was looking at is here:

      "Reports say this problem was finally fixed in 3rd generation iPods but if you bought an earlier one then you're out of luck."

      However, upon closer inspection this refers to the problem of small gaps in a single file. The problem of gaps between files has not, as far as this website is concerned, been fixed.

      I hope I didn't cause any confusion.

    13. Re:Hype? by Threni · · Score: 1

      > When you can carry your entire music collection with you anywhere you want to,
      > call up any song in your collection on demand (searching by name), generate
      > playlists on the fly, and boot your computer from your discman, come back

      I don't need that. But it's handy, for the sake of about 5UKP to have a copy, in MP3 format, of most of my disks both at home AND at work. I'm more concerned about getting it stolen/damaged while i'm travelling than I am about having access to absolutely everything I own instantly. I can do that at home using the original CDs my MP3s are ripped from. I take your point, it's just that for me and iPod is a solution in search of a problem.

  22. All you really need to read is the conclusion by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Conclusion:

    Don't take apart your new iPod mini.


    Well that takes care of that, doesn't it? :)

  23. Re:The iPod by Mr.+Bling+Bling · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What I wanna know is if I can get one iced out with real diamonds (not no zircon encrusted shiat). Anybody? I gotst the cash to buy it if you can supply it. Hoo ya!

    --
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  24. Consider it buying the microdrive. by raygundan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those 4GB microdrives retail for a LOT more than $250. It would be a good deal based on that alone, but as an mp3 player, you can do better in the space per dollar department.

  25. "Post Anonymously" Button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Dear Mr Karma Whore,

    Its traditional to use the 'Post Anonymously' button to avoid being called a Karma Whore when reposting articles that are /.'ed.

    Cheers,
    Rob.

    1. Re:"Post Anonymously" Button by doc_traig · · Score: 4, Funny


      Dear Mr. Calling-Out-the-Karma-Whore,

      It is traditional to not check the "Post Anonymously" box when calling out a karma whore and thus being "modded up" as Insightful, Funny, or, the jackpot, Underrated.

      Best,
      Traig

      --
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  26. Coming soon: iPod Mini's Dirty Secret... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they break when ham-handed fools take them apart, and Apple won't give said fools a free replacement!

    Paging the Neistat brothers...

    1. Re:Coming soon: iPod Mini's Dirty Secret... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But...If you buy it at BestBuy with the 4 year warranty, which I think was 40 dollars, you can take it back when ever you want.

      I got the Compaq I-paq 64MB for 250 dollars. Then in 3 years (after the i-Paq broke) I returned it and for 150 dollars and I bought the 10GB iPod using the i-paq's warranty. Then the 15GB iPod came out, I returned the 10GB iPod and switched it for the 15GB one, then the 20GB iPod came out and I returned the 15GB for the 20GB. And Right now I hold in my hand a 20GB iPod, with 4 year warranty at BestBuy for basically 150 dollars.

  27. Well.. by dtio · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..this definitely hacking for fun and [for apple's] profit ;)

  28. PHP driven slashdotting by E1ven · · Score: 4, Informative

    The site seems to be a database driven PHP site, and dying fast. I threw the contents of my cache up, just in case-
    http://www.sq7.org/temp/ipod

    --
    Colin Davis
    1. Re:PHP driven slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I threw the contents of my cache up

      Why did you even have it in your mouth in the first place??? ;)

    2. Re:PHP driven slashdotting by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      And people ask me why I code my web apps in TCL.

      Amateurs.

      --
      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    3. Re:PHP driven slashdotting by kartiknarayan · · Score: 1

      Well it's a good thing you didn't throw up the contents of your cache. I'm not sure I want to see what you've been eating...

  29. money well spent by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's $249 well spent in the pursuit of knowledge.

    $249 is not a lot, but I would love to see his bandwidth bill this month ;)

    --
    Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
  30. Re:We Need Help... by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My group at Oregon State University is currently working on a device that uses an old hard drive from an Ipod. We have successfully interfaced with it, and can read and write from it at blazing speeds using an FPGA. See our web site here:

    http://classes.engr.oregonstate.edu/eecs/fall200 3/ ece441/groups/g15/

    If you have more questions, send me an email (also listed on the web page)

    Bob

  31. Reverse Engineering by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    I am sure it's just not possible to look at circuits and parts via a couple pictures and get enough info out of it to reverse engineer an iPod.

    If someone can build a real cheap alternative it can send the overpriced $300 iPod to its doom.

    1. Re:Reverse Engineering by Hitchcock_Blonde · · Score: 0

      If this is the case, why hasn't it happened yet?

      --
      Karma Schmarma
  32. 4 GB CF extraction.. by steppin_razor_LA · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I read this site yesterday after seeing a link in the Slickdeals discussion forums.

    It sounds like extracting the 4GB CF isn't much of a problem.

    People have been able to put it in a CF reader and get it working fine on their computers.

    A number of people have reported problems getting the CF to work with their cameras or other CF devices working in the iPod. I suspect that this has something to do with how apple formatted the disk and will eventually be solved.

    For those of you laughing at iPod mini buyers -- they could probably sell the 4GB CF cards for a profit.

    --
    Evolution: love it or leave it
    1. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by cflorio · · Score: 4, Interesting
      There is a discussion over at dpreview.com that details the trials of trying to get the removed microdrive to work with cameras, etc.

      Maybe someone in the slashdot community could contribute to the thread over there with some ideas on how to get it to work?

    2. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by jone1941 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      For those of you laughing at iPod mini buyers -- they could probably sell the 4GB CF cards for a profit.
      Really? I find that really hard to believe. It just doesn't seem possible that apple would be getting such a good deal on these drives that they could still provide the rest of the ipod, and yet the retail value is so high that a consumer could sell it for a profit. I'm sure that apple is getting a great price on it, but how are the major hardware retailer's not also getting a similar deal?
      --
      Fear trumps hope and ignorance trumps both
    3. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What 4 GB CF?

      It uses a miniaturized hard drive, *not* a compact flash card.

    4. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      People have been doing the same thing with the Creative Labs MuVo2. Buy player and sell the card at a profit.

      --
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    5. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by cflorio · · Score: 2
      Well, that's the thing, these things are going for about $500 retail...

      And it isn't a stripped down drive either, there are people buying up Creative Labs Muvo^2 players and getting the microdrive out and they work. Apple has just done some kind of strange partition on something to the drive.

    6. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slickdeals? They are kinda slow. Check this out.

    7. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by addaon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Compact flash is an interface. It is used by solid state disks, rotating disks, modems, and other devices. In this case, it is rather obvious from context that the CF device under discussion was a hard drive.

      --

      I've had this sig for three days.
    8. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For 4 GB I believe you have to format it with VFAT (smaller drives can use FAT) and so your camera has to support VFAT reads/writes.

    9. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by Wah · · Score: 1

      $500 retail = $205 eBay (or thereabouts)

      --
      +&x
    10. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by Giant+Killer · · Score: 3, Informative

      for those too lazy to hunt through and find the 4 or 5 threads on this, the basic gist is this:
      1) removal of the 4gb hard drive is easy (I hesitate to call it compact flash right now, but wait for the explanation) with the instructions mentioned in this article
      2) repartitioning in windows or macosx is no problem
      3) getting it to work in a digital camera is more problematic. one of the guys on dpreview was able to get in contact with an engineer from hitachi who said that these drives do not conform to the CF standard, and have not been branded that way. people are currently working on trying to find a way to hack around the limitations, but so far efforts have been fruitless. it is recommended that all slashdot hackers jump into the fray.
      4) instead, go buy a creative muvo2 at amazon or buy.com. people have reported these drives working very nicely, and being able to replace the muvo CF card with many solid state CF cards. i hear that amazon is delivering in about a week, even though they say it is a preorder.

    11. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by danielrose · · Score: 1

      They use a CF style CONNECTOR, a few pins are not used. Basically they use it as a 44 pin IDE connector. If you try to put the drive in a CF->IDE interface it will fail miserably and or die.

      --
      i hate pansy republicans
    12. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      It looks to be about the size of a CF card, but it certainly didn't look to have a CF interface. Is there one not shown in those photos?

      I mentioned that here back when the mini first came out- I wanted to get out and take the card out for my PDA. I've been stuck with only a wee bit of space since I switched to a PDA with no PCMCIA slot- and missing the cheap, plentiful storage.

      --

      Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
    13. Re:4 GB CF extraction.. by Bilestoad · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and where do you think the $205 drives came from? Clue: take a look at all the Muvo units being sold without their drives....

      Basic eBay economics lesson: Things are worth more sold separately than they are together.

  33. Another photo gallery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can't get to the article, but found this one showing a nicely dissected mini ipod...

    iPod mini Dissection

    1. Re:Another photo gallery by Rick+and+Roll · · Score: 1

      Maybe the person that dissected this one isn't an idiot.

    2. Re:Another photo gallery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where you playing trivia on xbc last night?

  34. Ummm.... by Stingr · · Score: 5, Funny

    "This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process."

    I'm no expert but aren't autopsies supposed to be performed after death??? I believe the word you are looking for is malpractice.

    --
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    Reflect, repent, and reboot.
    Order shall return.
  35. Flash drive by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 1

    I thought it was supposed to be HD based, but turns out it's flash according to the article. I certainly don't believe that this guy hasn't broken anything in years though...

    1. Re:Flash drive by GizmoToy · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is hard drive based. Its just that the hard drive used the Compact Flash interface more common to flash memory. It's a tiny hard drive manufactured by Hitachi.

    2. Re:Flash drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a Hitachi Microdrive, i.e., a hard disk in Compactflash form factor. A 4gb flash drive for $250 would be news indeed.

  36. Re:Waste of money indeed! by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've been through this already: mini iPods have enough space for most people, so there is no value in getting the roomier one. On the other hand, the smaller physical size makes them much more convenient.

    --
    Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
  37. Re:We Need Help... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've successfully interfaced with my iPod hard drive, and can read and write from it at blazing speeds right out of the box.

  38. Picky, picky, picky by michael_cain · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process.

    Wouldn't that technically make it a vivisection? Since it was alive when he started?

    1. Re:Picky, picky, picky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He *WAS* careful to leave the hold switch on. Different story if he had left it off..

  39. Site slashdotted by broothal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This happens every day. A story is posted on slashdot that links to some site.
    Site is brought to its knees.

    Now - how about a slashdot-cache like google cache? It's not fair to punish the guys that post interesting stuff on their website like this story.
    All links in the story would then link to the slashdot-cache and leave the original site alive.

    And - aside from saving the sites some trouble, it would enable those of us who came in late to see how he dismantled that ipod.

    1. Re:Site slashdotted by The_K4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but it's more fun for use to watch the sever implode.....

    2. Re:Site slashdotted by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with caching sites is that it would lay Slashdot open to prosecution for copyright infringement. On the other hand, not caching results in overloading other people's servers -- and could even lay Slashdot open to prosecution for aiding and abetting misuse of a computer. Of course, it's a defence to a crime that you did it to prevent a greater crime being committed elsewhere. But this is the point where the lawyers go into a feeding frenzy .....

      The valid reason against caching is that a page could contain highly dynamic content. The less valid reason is that it involves making a copy of the information {as does everyone else who views it}.

      Perhaps the solution is a meta-tag that page creators can use, which would permit Slashdot {and others, if they so desired} to cache their site? This would require a deliberate act on the part of the cache-ee, and thus amount to explicit consent; but precisely by virtue of that requirement, it would nullify its own effectiveness. It's your classic paradox situation .....

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  40. Necropsy by jkujawa · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a necropsy unless the procedure is being done by another iPod mini.
    Autopsy refers to dissection of a human by a human, or by extension, some instance of class 'foo' by another instance of class 'foo'.

    Actually, in this case, it would be a vivisection, as the iPod started out functional, and died due to the procedure.

    1. Re:Necropsy by bluephone · · Score: 1

      A LOT of people have called this a vivisection. It wasn't. The iPod was put under (on Hold) first, and the death of the unit wasn't the goal, information leading to a greater understanding of the unit's pieces for future cosmetic enhancement was. So it was exploratory surgery that the patient didn't survive. THEN it turned into a necropsy. :)

      --
      jX [ Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. - Einstein ]
    2. Re:Necropsy by dcam · · Score: 1

      What is it called if an instance of class bar that extends foo disects foo? Is it still an autopsy?

      --
      meh
    3. Re:Necropsy by mr.+roboto · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure about your Ancient Greek there, jkujawa. It seems the word that you're thinking of would be somethign like "homosection"; the dissection of something by something else of the same class. The "auto" in "autopsy" is self-reflective, meaning something on the order of "oneself". To perform an "autosection" would be to dissect oneself. The other half of "autopsy", "psy", is a truncation of the Greek "psia", which in another from becomes the "pti" in "optic"--it means "to see". The verb "autopsy" means "to see with one's own eyes"; as a noun, it would be "the act of seeing with one's own eyes", as in the (in)famous film by Stan Brakhage.

    4. Re:Necropsy by mehgul · · Score: 1

      Informative ???!!!

      autopsy [n.]
      PRON: /'atapsE/
      FORMS: autopsies
      1. An examination and dissection of a dead body to determine cause of death or the changes produced by disease; SYN. necropsy, postmortem, PM, postmortem examination.
      ETYM: Greek; auto self + opsis sight: cf. French autopsie. Related to Optic.
      (Ultralingua English dictionary, www.ultralingua.com)

  41. You may not find the screws again... by autophile · · Score: 4, Funny
    Turn the mini over, looking back into the top, you will see two tiny philips head screws on either side of another metal plate. Remove these with the #000 screwdriver carefully and put them in a safe place (don't drop these on the floor, you will never see them again).

    ...but you will hear them.

    Whirrrrrrrr--clickclickclick*clunk!*--whirrrrrrrrr

    --Rob

    --
    Towards the Singularity.
    1. Re:You may not find the screws again... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey you can poke an iYe out with that.

      --
      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  42. I don't understand.... by psychoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering that this guy screwed up his iPod in creating these procedures, why on earth would anybody want to follow suit?

  43. Fool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He who doesn't break things to find out what it is isn't a geek. (Anonymous Coward)

    1. Re:Fool? by 198348726583297634 · · Score: 1

      so.. you can be a geek and wreck things, or you can be a badass and figure them out without wrecking them?

    2. Re:Fool? by blorf · · Score: 1

      Usually you break things to find out what it isn't. ;-)

    3. Re:Fool? by jpetts · · Score: 1

      He who doesn't break things to find out what it is isn't a geek.

      But the real geek motto is:

      "If it isn't broken, fix it until it is!"

      --
      Call me old fashioned, but I like a dump to be as memorable as it is devastating - Bender
  44. Re:Waste of money indeed! by 1337+Apple+Zealot · · Score: 1

    The "smaller physical size" is not worth it, Its only 0.4" smaller (thats less than a centimetre), Thats not very noticable, and wat if people need to expand in their collection in the futre? I am keeping with my word, I may be an apple zealot, but I certainly don't waste money on crippled expensive hardware. If it had cost just 100 and could carry about 2000 songs I would probably buy it, but I certainly not going to miss 0.4" and $50 for the cost of 9000 songs!

  45. Re:Waste of money indeed! by Quobobo · · Score: 1

    Except these 0.1 releases of OS X improve a lot more than almost any 1.x release of OS 7-9 ever did. Great troll.

  46. Come on, Apple: Design this better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would it really kill Apple to have 4 small Phillips screws on the back, one in each corner?

    THAT's superior design. THAT's ease of use.

    These "destroy it when you open it" stories are rather common.

  47. MOD PARENT (KINDA) FUNNY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, the parent is using typical Apple trolls (I think) for the sake of humor. Coulda been phrased funnier, though.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT (KINDA) FUNNY by Dahan · · Score: 1

      (Score:.5, Kinda Funny?

  48. $50 less? by BTWR · · Score: 1

    Is it really worth 10% capacity of a regular ipod for $50?

    1. Re:$50 less? by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      But ... but ... the colors!

      --

      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
    2. Re:$50 less? by GizmoToy · · Score: 1

      Well, actually its 27% of the regular iPod's capacity for $50. To get the 10% number you'd have to compare it to the 40GB model, which is twice as expensive as the mini ($499).

    3. Re:$50 less? by radish · · Score: 1

      Or indeed 20% of the capacity a Rio Karma for a saving of $0? I always though iPod was a ripoff, I guess Apple have just reimagined that word ;)

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      ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

  49. Re:We Need Help... by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I got a question.... you do realize that Apple just buys the HD's used in iPods from a regular OEM (I know that at one point at least Fujitsu was selling the HD's) So why didn't you just go buy the same HD for less money???
    I found it amusing that when the very first iPods came out that the same HD used was reviewed and the reviewers complained about how slow it was. The irony was not that the HD was slow, but that at the same time the "firewire" connection to the iPod was being trumpeted even though the HD could not come even closed to saturating the connection.

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  50. Slashdoted to hell, solution? by zeux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok listen everybody. Let's try to go on the website one by one.

    Stop clicking the link, I'm going first ;)

    1. Re:Slashdoted to hell, solution? by Placido · · Score: 1

      Hurry up! I'm still waiting!

      --

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      Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
  51. Not an autopsy... by ccnuggie · · Score: 2, Funny

    An autopsy is performed -after- something is dead. Think before you type.

  52. Erm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    It doesn't sound like he did was TOO bad, he just ripped a drive cable right? So he should be able to repair it...

    Doesn't sound too hard. I'd like to see the followup where someone tells him how to repair it and we get to see amusing photos of the process!

  53. autopsy? I think not by pmbuko · · Score: 4, Funny

    CmdrTaco needs to update his vocabulary. If the subject is alive before the procedure, but dead afterward -- that's murder! Or at least a malpractice lawsuit.

    1. Re:autopsy? I think not by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      CmdrTaco needs to update his vocabulary. If the subject is alive before the procedure, but dead afterward -- that's murder! Or at least a malpractice lawsuit.

      Must not have had a good lawyer.

      --
      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    2. Re:autopsy? I think not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      He was a powerful geek, she was a successful audio device, and when they met it was moiderrrr!!!
      </Lionel Stander voice>

    3. Re:autopsy? I think not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I work at a hospital....

      Nah, if someone dies on the table, the pompous asses that killed him have a nice little meeting, where they tell each other what went wrong. Then have a little 'group therapy' sorta session together so they don't feel bad. Makes the docs (many of whom I wouldn't trust with a cat -- note, I hate cats) even more arrogant since they can kill and get away with it.

      That whole God complex they have is self-serving, self-deluding, and self-sustaining.

      I hate surgeons. I hate them with a passion.

    4. Re:autopsy? I think not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut your hole you fuckin nurseboy

  54. MP3 Diskman better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's about 10 hours of music. A lot less than the iPod.... but...

    When the battery dies on the Walkman, you replace them for less than $4, and there is no chance that you destroy the thing just be opening the battery case.

    When the battery dies on the iPod, it costs at least $50 to replace, and there has been an observed rather high percentage of "does not survive operation" (at least 25%).

    1. Re:MP3 Diskman better by blackchiney · · Score: 1

      Funny, my iPod just died. I didn't send it to Apple I just recharged it through firewire. Apple 1, Duracell 0. Ohh you meant the other dead battery....well it's been almost a year and still chugging and charging

    2. Re:MP3 Diskman better by ilikecaffeine · · Score: 1
      When the battery dies on the iPod, it costs at least $50 to replace, and there has been an observed rather high percentage of "does not survive operation" (at least 25%).

      By the time my iPod's battery dies, you will have spent $50 dollars on either a charger and 2 sets of high-capacity recharable batteries (2000 mAh+), or throw-away high-capacity batteries.

      Not to mention you will have spent additional money on a case for your mp3 cds, as well the blank cds themselves.

      What difference does it make? My iPod makes me happy. Your mp3 cd-player makes you happy. When your batteries die, you pop in a spare set and recharge the other. When mine battery dies, I'll fork over the 40 bucks and pop in the new one.

      What's the big deal?

  55. Re:Waste of money indeed! by mikedaisey · · Score: 2, Informative


    It's actually about 40% smaller in volume...and if you're dickering over storage capacity you aren't teh target audience.

  56. Why.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do people spout this inane drivel all the time. What is it with asking if things are whack or not? WTH does whack mean anyway? Somehow I don't think it means "whacking" someone (i.e. killing them).

  57. Re:Waste of money indeed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hear hear.

    10.2 -> 10.3 feels more like 2000 -> XP than XP -> XP SP1.

    Not only that, 10.0 -> 10.1 was a freebie if you had recently bought a Mac.

  58. Replace that microdrive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Would it be possible to rip out the 4GB microdrive, put it to good use in a camera, and replace it with a 512meg solid-state CF card? Would give you a non-skipping iPod mini that can interface with iTunes, and plenty of space to go work out with it. Plus the cheap microdrive.

    1. Re:Replace that microdrive? by cosmo7 · · Score: 1

      The answer to this question is entirely within the negative quadrant of the sphere of communication.

    2. Re:Replace that microdrive? by everdave · · Score: 0

      the camera can't format it right out of the mini- you need a compact flash reader. the drive mounts fine on a mac or PC. you need to format the drive to remove a special ipod partition that apple has made. after that it's will work fine in your camera... it's not a quick drive though... it's going to take a bit to transfer 4 gigs of photos over a usb card reader.

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  59. spend $249 and get ... $480, plus by Mablung · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a discussion that talks about yanking the ($479.95) Hitachi microdrive inside. More discussion on my original source: boingboing

    No sig for you!

    1. Re:spend $249 and get ... $480, plus by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're getting the microdrive included with the $249 mini, I fail to see how this is card can be considered to have a value of $480.

      Shouldn't it be the drive that used to cost $480? Indeed, I checked ebay and the price of those drives have magically fallen to around $250. What a surprise!

  60. Afterwards by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    He gave me the iPod case.

    I plan on installing PC hardware and software in it for the ultimate digital audio device case mod.

    Look for my fake joke story next week on slashdot about an Ipod that my parents gave me, but which I completely overhauled because I liked the iRiver better.

  61. Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's true that the "auto-" prefix indicates "oneself," but in this case the sense is in "seeing for oneself."

    1. Re:Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up! Autopsy != human cutting human.

  62. Re:We Need Help... by joshua404 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The drive used in the iPod Mini retails for much more than the Mini sells for. Apple is either getting an amazing volume price from Hitachi or they are taking it up their collective asses in order to infiltrate the market.

  63. Re:The iPod by darth_MALL · · Score: 0

    Whack...not enough cowbell.

  64. Re:Waste of money indeed! by damiam · · Score: 1

    The iPod is 6.1 cubic inches, and the iPod Mini is 3.6. That's a little more than half the size, a far cry from "0.4 inches smaller".

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  65. Re:We Need Help... by Apiakun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, in the case of the iPod mini, the hard drive retails for $500 whereas the iPod mini is half of that. I know of a few digital camera junkies that are considering buying the iPod just for the hard drive.

  66. Re:Waste of money indeed! by 1337+Apple+Zealot · · Score: 0

    You probably waste money on a 500ml bottle of pepsi in order to have a chance at "winning" a free song while I get a 2 litre bottle for $1.79! Four times the value, for just 0.79 extra, and I can use the $2.29 saved on two itunes songs (better odds than the pepsi) and have 29 change for other stuff!

  67. Re:Waste of money indeed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't make me start a Penis war.....

  68. yet another dissected ipod mini by mohrt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is another one.

  69. I've only ever autopsied a frog by edbarrett · · Score: 1

    But it was dead before I started.

  70. Where do you think this one will end up? by LothDaddy · · Score: 4, Funny

    "FS: Mini iPod. $30

    This was 'purchased from a friend' and I don't have anyway to test it. I'm selling this cheap and make no guarantees about function."

    And he'll only charge $15 for S&H!

    1. Re:Where do you think this one will end up? by hambonewilkins · · Score: 1
      Or, alternately,

      "FS: Mini iPod. $30

      I'm not a 'mac guy' so I don't really know how this thing works so perhaps its like new! As-is. $17 insured delivery."

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  71. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of those things!

  72. Karma whore! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Oh wait.

  73. OT: original iPod battery by log0n · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I've got a 10gb ipod (original), and the battery -like so many others- was offering less and less time for playback. I reset the whole thing with the 1.3 Update, and *bam* it's back to 10ish hours (long flight verified).

  74. Re:We Need Help... by sensate_mass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because the drives retail for twice what the whole ipod goes for by itself. Currently, it's possible to make a profit by buying the ipod and selling just the drive on ebay.

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  75. autopsy?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    autopsy is done on oneself..
    a biopsy is the right word

    but in this case, there is no bio-organism

    so a techopsy might be the right word... though not very interesting..

    1. Re:autopsy?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually... autopsy is the correct word...

      A biopsy is used for examination of tissue under a microscope, usually to check for disease...

  76. Re:We Need Help... by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We considered this. It was actually cheaper for us to buy a defective iPod off of ebay than to get it from the OEM. The iPod hard drive was fine, it was another part of the iPod that was defective. Also, since we were using the battery as well, this was a package deal that saved us a LOT of money over buying the parts from manufacturers directly. Finally, we only needed to build a prototype, so getting the parts like this was preferred to begging the OEM to sell us single parts rather than in bulk.

    bob

  77. Autopsy or Murder by dentar · · Score: 2, Funny

    If he killed it in the process then it's murder or more like involuntary manslaughter. Autopsy can only be given post-mortem.

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    1. Re:Autopsy or Murder by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      If he killed it in the process then it's murder or more like involuntary manslaughter. Autopsy can only be given post-mortem.

      The correct term is "vivisection". Murder and manslaughter refer to crimes, and this was not a crime.

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  78. Re:Waste of money indeed! by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

    For just $50 more (thats like just #30, not much) you get 10 times the space

    Well, that's just completely misinformed. For 50 more you get 3 times the space actually.

    I hope that Ipod mini is a flop!

    Yes! How dare they engineer, design and sell products?!
    Not only will I not buy it, but I wish financial ruin on them for their audacity in manufacturing a device not aimed at me!

    But, just like how Apple sells 0.1 upgrades of OSX for the price of a 1.0 upgrade

    Who are these people to number their upgrades thus?
    I say if we are to feel that we are getting enough for what we pay, we musn't look at the actual additional features and performance upgrades! We want a BIGGER numbers: Only that is worth money!

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  79. Well.... by SkorpiXx · · Score: 1

    ...it seems that /. decided to give their server an autopsy. S

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  80. Re:Waste of money indeed! by markov_chain · · Score: 1

    It depends. Carrying around a 2L bottle while I'm at a conference or other inconvenient place would have larger negative utility for me than the dollar value saved by buying the bulk version of the drink. Convenience is not always worthless.

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  81. Duh... by Christopher+Bibbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Expect the $100 iPod sometime between when they've sold an iPod to nearly everyone that will pay more than a $100 and a competitor can come close to offering a product with equal sex appeal for less than $150.

    1. Re:Duh... by RajivSLK · · Score: 0

      and a competitor can come close to offering a product with equal sex appeal for less than $150.

      Won't happen. The price is part of the sex appeal. The IPOD hit the right forumual. It's functional, modern and expensive/luxury.

    2. Re:Duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, built for someone with too much money and too small of a dick. That sounds like a good portion of the /. crowd, yep.

  82. This guy is out of luck .... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 0

    He trys ito do something interesting, but his ipod is now dead, then someone post the story on slashdot, and now his website is dead :)

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  83. Re:We Need Help... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Or, apple hard-nose hitachi for the the price they pay (like an HMO) and Hitachi is trying to make the rest back from everyone else.

    Put another way, if you assembled a car from parts sold at retail prices a Saturn would cost more than a Hummer.

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  84. autopsy? by DrWhizBang · · Score: 1

    I thought an autopsy was when you disect something that is already dead to determine the cause of death. If you disect something that is still alive, that would be murder.

    I guess, unless they _want_ to be eaten...

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  85. Re:autopsy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Uhhh, you don't scan all of the hundreds of previous posts do you there sparky? If you are a doctor you must have gotten your degree from Sally Struthers University.

    Misfit...

  86. Fuskered images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    http://www.babehunt.org/fusker/index.php?lid=10471

  87. Somewhat related question by ktulu1115 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Please don't mod this offtopic, as it is a relevant question...

    For those iPod owners out there: What has been your experience with the device as far as strength/stability goes? As in... Does a drop off a table crash the heads? I am looking into purchasing one possibly, but my main use will be for snowboarding and if it's not gonna be able to take some abuse (obviously it will be in my jacket but still subject to vibration and the occassional wipeouts), I would rather go with a solid-state one. Any feedback would be most useful.

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    1. Re:Somewhat related question by UtSupra · · Score: 1

      I am somewhat clumsy and I have drop both my iPods (5Gb and 20Gb 3G) from different heights with no significant effects other than the cosmetics and my personal ego (both were in pretty bad shape, anyway)

    2. Re:Somewhat related question by cyberworm · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've got a 40gig iPod, and haven't had a problem with it. I'm pretty rough on my hardware (This iPod has been dropped 4 times since christmas) as well as the father of a two year old son (who found it laying out and decided to press the buttons ruthlessly and shake it a few times). Still works and none the worse for it.
      As far as skipping goes, if it's in my pocket when I go up or down stairs quickly, it hasn't skipped yet.
      In fact, the only problem I have had, happened when using the Belkin Battery Pack. When the batteries in the pack started dying, the music slowed down, similar to a record slowing down.

      I recently got an iSkin for my pod, which I think was a great investment for helping to protect it.

      aloha

    3. Re:Somewhat related question by cyberworm · · Score: 1

      thank god I"m not the only clumsy iPod owner out there. Get an exo iSkin for it. It'll protect the outside really well.

    4. Re:Somewhat related question by lytlebill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having used iPod the very first time I went snowboarding, I can say it lived fairly well despite my frequent crashes. That trip, I loaned it to my more experienced friend, and he loved it, all the while shredding more and crashing less. I have a 10GB second gen iPod, and including that visit to the slopes, it has suffered minor drops very well. By minor I mean 2-3 feet, while it is either off or running. So far, I haven't lost it onto concrete or metal from distance (knock on wood), but I purchased it with an extended warranty from CompUSA, so I imagine I have a slightly more reassured attitude about the whole thing.

    5. Re:Somewhat related question by Wooo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do a lot of rollerblading with my iPod here in the streets of New York City and I've had my fair share of wipeouts. The trick is to get a case similar to this one which provides non-slip rubberized sides and a nylon face and backing. I've dropped my iPod while standing up, fallen on it, crashed into various obstacles etc. and my iPod is still working perfectly to this day.

      Just make sure to get a case which will offer some shock protection, the standard case which ships with the iPod wasn't really meant for any contact sports.

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    6. Re:Somewhat related question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed if I leave my iPod in the car at 30 degrees F for about 3 hours, the iPod battery dies, untill it gets warmed up...you have to keep booting it up until it runs.

    7. Re:Somewhat related question by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      Excellent... This is all very good news. I'd like to thank each of you for your comments, they have proven to be most useful. Money permitting I will hopefully be able to purchase one soon.

      Several of my friends have them and say nothing but excellent things, I'm sure I will agree.

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    8. Re:Somewhat related question by Fulkkari · · Score: 1

      From my experience it does tolerate quite a bit. My iPod has fallen a couple of times to a hard surface. The biggest drop has been from my waist when, I was putting it into it's carrying case. It was turned on at the time being.

      So I wouldn't worry too much about that. A bigger problem you might face is that the iPod gets really cold on low temperatures and the battery life will decrease considerably. It might however partly be because my iPod is more than a year old. I don't remeber having those problems the first winter, but I might remember wrongly.

      PS. Didn't some company sell a snowboarding jacket specially designed for the iPod with special controlls in the arm or something like that?

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    9. Re:Somewhat related question by mookie-blaylock · · Score: 1

      Cold does affect the ipod's battery life (much like most batteries you'll encounter). I have a 10GB touchwheel iPod that I got for Christmas in 2002. I used it all the time when I drove to work and on a couple of occasions left it in the car (but turned it off by holding the play button and then moving the hold switch). When I'd leave it in the car I'd invariably get only a few minutes of battery life. If I warmed it up by holding it in my hands, I'd get a little more battery life. (usually not much, though). When I'd return indoors and let it heat back up, it'd still have a respectable charge.

      So I think it's more the cold than the age -- in that case my iPod was only a few weeks old.

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    10. Re:Somewhat related question by DamnRogue · · Score: 1

      I've dropped mine (15 gb, gen 2) from shoulder height onto a brick walkway while it was playing. Other than a pretty good nick in the casing it survived unharmed.

    11. Re:Somewhat related question by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 1

      I purchased a CompUSA extended warranty for my second generation 10GB iPod, too. When there was an issue with it, it was a real bitch trying to get the store to honor the terms of the replacement guarantee they originally promised. Thankfully, I was able to finally mount the iPod and restore it. CompUSA deserves its negative reputation, unfortunately.

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    12. Re:Somewhat related question by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      Cold does affect the ipod's battery life (much like most batteries you'll encounter).

      Agreed. Low temperatures always seem to drain the the charge out of a battery, I have the same problem with my cell when I take it boarding. Wondering if I could figure out a way to keep it warmer, maybe an inside pocket will help... Could always throw one of those glove warmers in the pocket additionally.

      Anyone know the cause of this cold-temperature battery problem? Lower internal resistance perhaps? I knew hot temperatures were bad for batteries as well, the cold doesn't make too much sense to me. Most (almost all to my knowledge) electronics operate better in colder temperatures, but then again a battery is more of an electro-chemical reaction.

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  88. Re:We Need Help... by shamino0 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I know of a few digital camera junkies that are considering buying the iPod just for the hard drive

    If you do, point them to this page. The author there recommends buying a Creative Nomad MuVo. It has the same 4G drive and sells for $200.

  89. Time for a webserve autopsy!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for a webserve autopsy!!

  90. look ma... by enrico_suave · · Score: 1

    I made you an mini ipod keychain!

    e.

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  91. 4GB Microdrive -- Profit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a similar drive found in the Creative Labs Muvo2 MP3 player. If you look in eBay, the drive goes for a pretty penny, considering that retail price for it is fairly high. Lots of people are selling their "OEM Microdrive" on eBay and I am willing to bet that the majority of them are pilfered from one of these MP3 players.

  92. Autopsy does not kill by UtSupra · · Score: 2, Funny

    A proper autopsy is done after the person is dead...

    1. Re:Autopsy does not kill by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

      That is what I always thought. Dissecting someone whilst alive would be murder, or perhaps torture, no?

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    2. Re:Autopsy does not kill by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

      At best, he did a vivisection on the ipod, and something went wrong with it. It's not dissection unless they're dead when they go under the knife.

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    3. Re:Autopsy does not kill by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

      Yeah, vivisection, that is the word I was looking for. If I am not mistaken "vivi" = "life, or living"

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  93. $249 for a $500 $ GB CF card by JT_Palmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not a bad deal when you think about the fact that a regular Hitachi 4 GB Compact Flash card cost close to $500 by itself.

  94. as the old joke goes by geighaus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Autopsy showed that that patient's death was caused by the autopsy.

  95. Re:Waste of money indeed! by ivan256 · · Score: 1

    I have a 20Gb iPod with a mere 2.6 GB of music on it. I'd much rather have the less bulky mini and $50.

  96. Re:We Need Help... by jcr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So why didn't you just go buy the same HD for less money?

    Two words: quantity purchase.

    If you placed an order for 100K+ units, you could probably get about the same pricing that Apple does.

    -jcr

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  97. not true! by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    I'm a gung-ho more bang for the buck male and I bought an iPod mini. (yeah, it was for my girlfriend).

  98. ha fucking ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus, it's not +5 funny. I'm getting bored of the same fucking jokes repeated over and over and over and over and

  99. Re:quit it. by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 1

    I'm sure you can go back to the fun articles of 99, about 35,000 articles ago. Perhaps of interest would be the first mention of Napster.

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  100. Not quite an autopsy by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think that the phrase "Fatal biopsy" would be more accurate -- It started out 'live', but didn't survive the investigation.

    RIP (Rest In Pieces)

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    1. Re:Not quite an autopsy by darc · · Score: 5, Funny

      From the article:

      This is where I messed up and killed my iPod mini, I forgot to check and I pushed with all my might, ripping the ribbon cable off of the male connector. Oops.

      That has got to be the most painful sounding innuendo ever.

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    2. Re:Not quite an autopsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Not quite an autopsy by geekbox5 · · Score: 1

      I believe the word you're looking for is "vivisection."

  101. Show her your comittment, boys! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Lap dances are fleeting...

    but herpes is forever!

  102. Breaking it is by definition unwise by Ed+Avis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom. -- Gandalf

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  103. Autopsy by Jim_Hawkins · · Score: 1
    This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process.

    Technicality, I know, but usually you perform an autopsy on things that are already dead.

    1. Re:autopsy by vpetersen · · Score: 1

      More like a botched surgery.

  104. not slashdotted; PETE has ddos attacked the site by sam_handelman · · Score: 3, Funny

    PETE (People for the Ethical Treatment of Electronics) maintains that the goals of science can be equally well served without doing harm to our bleeping, whirring, cousins. As a show of protest, they have initiated a series of ddos attacks against sites linked to by popular "electronic butchery forum" slashdot.

    PETE spokesman Nigel Rehnquist defending the ddos attack, saying "the ethically important question is not - can electronics understand what is being done to them? The ethically important question is - can electronics feel pain? I've trained my tamagotchi to wail in agony when I press this button, which makes YOU a sadist!"

    PETE has achieved notoriety in recent years for it's colorful lobbying and advertising efforts. One series of advertisements, which NBC declined to air, showed graphic depictions of graphing calculator-shaped puppets transmiting IR signals to one another and moaning in the throes of ecstacy. PETE called the advertisement a public service announcement to remind Americans how important and easy it was (only a bit of tape is required) to "fix" their graphic calculators. Prominent executives at another network approached about the ads, speaking on condition they not be identified, called the series of advertisements "disturbing, incomprehensible and weird." "One of them kept rocking his cellphone and singing to it," added one executive, "they scare me."

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  105. Re:We Need Help... by AoT · · Score: 5, Funny

    So if I sold the drive and the battery I could make a fortune.

    Money here I come.

  106. Re:We Need Help... by cirix · · Score: 1

    hi bob. how's OSU?

    *blast from past*

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  107. TCL = TOUNGING COCK LANGUAGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PHP certainly ain't perfection but it beats that gay TCL shit to death.

    1. Re:TCL = TOUNGING COCK LANGUAGE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, take that- TCL gay fuck shit face homo ass cock clock. TAKE THAT!

      (i learned veebee at tekskool!)

  108. eh hem by fizban · · Score: 1

    ...since he managed to kill it in the process.

    He must not have learned, 'cause he just killed his webserver as well...

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  109. NecriPodphelia... by ErnstKompressor · · Score: 1

    I wonder if jacking into a dead iPod would be deemed illegal in the UK?

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  110. Re:We Need Help... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple doesn't have the push to demand under-cost parts from someone Hitachi. No way in hell that's happening.

  111. It is not autopsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is murder

  112. Autopsy, really? by Pieroxy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process.

    Not to be a Grammar Nazi or something, but you are not supposed to die out of an autopsy. You are supposed to be dead before.

    This looks more like a Nazi "scientific" experiment than an autopsy to me.

  113. autopsy by the+Hewster · · Score: 1
    This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process.


    Well technically no, it's not. An autopsy requires the subject to be deceased *before* the procedure.
  114. Refurbished? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? That sucks... My iPod is about 8 months old and it's in pristine condition. I take excellent care of my iPod to ensure that I don't get a single scratch on it. (Clear film to protect the screen and a "skin" to protect the casing.) I would be pissed in the extreme if they sent me back a different unit. Let alone one that had so much as a microscopic scratch on it anywhere. If you can't replace the battery in a $400 product without scratching it ... well ... let's just say it's the last iPod I'll ever buy.

  115. Correction.. by msimm · · Score: 1
    Vivisection.
    n.

    The act or practice of cutting into or otherwise injuring living animals, especially for the purpose of scientific research.

    Looks like a job for PETA!
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  116. Re:We Need Help... by Xyde · · Score: 1

    Just a couple of questions: Was it difficult to reverse engineer the pinouts of the hard drive? And would it be possible to make an iPod HD connector to standard ATA drive converter? I have a 1G ipod with a dead HD and I''d LOVE to build a converter and hook an 80gig HD up to it :)

  117. here's the article... by headblur · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Taking apart the iPod mini

    February 23, 2004
    By Greg Koenig

    Apple has crammed a lot of stuff into the anodized aluminum enclosure of the new iPod mini, and taking it apart is no easy task. I'm an industrial designer with lots of experience pulling back the curtain and meeting the wizard in PDAs, Mp3 players, stereos, watches and all sorts of other gear. I am usually pretty good at it, having not broken something in years (lots of bug hunts for tiny parts on the floor though). Except my brand-new iPod mini, where I screwed up big time... twice!

    The Procedure:

    Tools needed:
    (1) Wiha 1.5mm flat head screwdriver
    (1) Wiha Philips #000 screwdriver
    (1) Needle nose pliers or medical (Kelly type) hemostats
    (1) Hair dryer

    To help illustrate my disassembly adventure, view the iPod mini autopsy photos and follow along.

    To begin with, make sure the 'Hold' button is locked into the ON position (showing orange) to prevent the internal components to be turning on while you are taking it apart.

    The plastic top and bottom plates are glued into place with a tacky adhesive that will soften considerably when heated so use the hair dryer on a low setting to heat up the top plate. Work the area until it's very warm to the touch. Now turn the mini around so you're looking at the Apple logo and squeeze the two rounded edges together at the top, causing the enclosure to bow a little bit in the middle. Insert the flat bladed screwdriver between the plastic and the metal (in line directly above the Apple logo) and gently pry the plate straight up. Work around the edges, leaving the area around the 'Hold' button till last. When you finally do get to the 'Hold' button area, pry carefully and pull the plate STRAIGHT up. Behind the 'Hold' button are two plastic standoffs (sort of like tabs) that extend down into the case and push the real switch on and off. If you pry the thing out at an angle, you will break one of these standoffs. That was mistake #1 for me. The actual 'Hold' switch soldiered onto the main board broke, so the 'Hold' switch no longer works.

    Now perform the same procedure on the plastic bottom plate. When it is removed, you will see a shiny sheet-metal plate held in place under spring tension by 4 tabs inserted into reliefs machined into the enclosure. At the end of each of these tabs, you will see a round hole. Use the Philips #000 in these holes and carefully pry each tab out of its slot. The sheet-metal plate will come right out.

    Next, you need to disconnect a ribbon cable that connects the scroll/click wheel assembly to the main baord. This ribbon cable is on the bottom of the mini on the left hand side. It is orange. You can't miss it. Use the 1.5mm blade screwdriver to pry it apart. If there isn't enough slack in the ribbon cable, don't worry, as long as you get the connector loose, you have done your job here.

    Turn the mini over, looking back into the top, you will see two tiny philips head screws on either side of another metal plate. Remove these with the #000 screwdriver carefully and put them in a safe place (don't drop these on the floor, you will never see them again).

    Now comes the fun part - gently push on the 30 pin connector at the bottom of the mini and all of the main components (on an assembly I call the component sled) will slide right out the top. It is a bit tight, but if you meet major resistance, back off and INSURE you have the ribbon cable disconnected. This is where I messed up and killed my iPod mini, I forgot to check and I pushed with all my might, ripping the ribbon cable off of the male connector. Oops.

    The component sled contains nearly all of the iPod's internals; the main circuit board, battery, LCD display and hard drive. While the LCD is held onto the ma inboard with 4 plastic tabs, the battery and HD are held in place simply by the tight packing within the enclosure. Feel free to disconnect the battery or remove the HD, they simply unplug from the main board. The LCD disconnects from th

  118. Next step! by dynayellow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now you must demand that Apple give you a new one and create an iMovie of you defacing their advertisements.

    Also, register appledidnotpreventmefromdestroyingmyminiipod.com

    MSNBC, here you come!

  119. autopsy? by overworked+underpaid · · Score: 1
    "To break a thing to find out what it is is to leave the path of wisdom"

    J. R. R. Tolkein

  120. high speed wipeouts by sdedeo · · Score: 1
    One of the first times I took my ipod out was on a long bike ride. I was heading down a gorgeous hill near the Delaware river with nobody in sight, so I decided to go for it.

    Around about the time I broke 35 mph, my ipod lept out of my pocket, hit the asphalt, and started bouncing. I ground to a halt. Still running!

    Yeah, I probably got lucky because it wasn't accessing the hard drive when it hit. (And, it was in the little fabric case.) It's been five months, and it still runs fine, however.

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    1. Re:high speed wipeouts by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      This is very good news for me as my wipeouts are usually at a pretty high velocity too... I find it somewhat surprizing that it survived in one piece and yet still working months later.

      Sounds like Apple has done a good job designing the iPod, although the recent article on the dissection/"murder" of one made it pretty clear there isn't too much inside.

      I probably got lucky because it wasn't accessing the hard drive when it hit.

      I wonder though... I highly doubt Apple has designed the iPod to spin up the drive, buffer large amounts of data, then spin it back down. That would be the only possible way I could see it designed to allow for "non-harddrive" (as in not spinning) operational periods during use. (It'd also dramatically increase random-access times). Obviously that design strategy is very inefficient so I don't think it's likely. IMHO, the probable design they followed is to just constantly spin the drive and stream small amounts of data off at a time, in which case the drive would always been operating while in use, and in turn means there wouldnt really be any "safe" times for it to experience excess vibration/shock... Although I suppose they could always park the heads to a safe location while not reading from the disk (which is a possibility), but that would reduce battery life with excess head movement. Anyone else like to comment on these ideas?

      I'm not sure about everyone else, but I find it very surprizing that it can handle such shock. Anyone have Apple's specs on the maximum operational G-force?

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    2. Re:high speed wipeouts by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      I'm an idiot... I hyperlinked to the same damn article. Please forgive my stupidity.... Should pay a little more attention next time. :)

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    3. Re:high speed wipeouts by sdedeo · · Score: 1
      I wonder though... I highly doubt Apple has designed the iPod to spin up the drive, buffer large amounts of data, then spin it back down. That would be the only possible way I could see it designed to allow for "non-harddrive" (as in not spinning) operational periods during use. (It'd also dramatically increase random-access times).

      But, that's exactly how it works! It spins up, caches a few songs, and then spins down. If you want to fast forward through more than a few songs, you do sit around waiting for the drive to spin up.

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  121. Is there a quota for iPod stories? by DaveCBio · · Score: 0, Troll

    Seriously, what's next?

    Man makes pasta while wearing iPod!!

    I know a lot of people love their iPods, but MP3 players have been around for years and just because it's "hip" to own an iPod doesn't mean it's anything special. I've had an MP3 phone for 3 years now and I do't go around trying to convince people that I'm cool because of it.

  122. /.'d by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

    and thus taco posted the link, killing it in the process.

    lame, yeah I know.

  123. crappy laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
  124. Re:We Need Help... by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 1

    We were very successful with connectors from http://www.ddkconnectors.com/mcdd50.htm .I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to build a board with this connector on one side and a standard connector on the other side. Although, you probably want a female connector for the small side, and I don't know where you could get that.

    As for the pinouts, Mike, one of the other group members, could tell you exactly what you want. His email is listed on our group web page.

    bob

  125. Re:4 GB CF extraction; Hitachi's card warranty by Bushcat · · Score: 2, Informative
    A number of people have reported problems getting the CF to work with their cameras

    Most digital cameras don't support CF cards above 2GB because they can't read/write FAT32. If you think you're in that category, try creating a 2GB FAT partition on the CF card to test it. More recent cameras are OK with FAT32.

    The Creative Labs 4GB Muvo2 has a Hitachi 4GB drive. The player is sold out most places since people are pulling the 4GB drive for their cameras. Check eBay for listings of disembowelled Muvo2's for sale. In Creative's case, I believe part of the the shortage is due to them re-engineering the player to mecahnically lock the CF card in place, probably with solder.

    The part in the iPod is HMS360404D5CF00: this is the same part number Hitachi gives to its standard CF card drive, so I assume people will get it working Real Soon Now.

    Of most interest to the long-term health of the iPod, Hitachi warrants the drive for 300,000 head load/unload cycles, and 140 power-on hours per month. Hmmm...

  126. Re:I'm sure... (RTFA) by dukeisgod · · Score: 2, Informative

    RTFA. He says he took it apart to explore feasability of custom anodizing mini's for his business. The sooner he figures that out, the better for him.

  127. Re:Well... $49 at ipodbattery.com by XavierItzmann · · Score: 1

    The issue was that Apple wanted hundreds of dollars

    49 bucks says you do it yourself http://www.ipodbattery.com/

    100 bucks says you are an asshole (you, ePhil One) http://www.info.apple.com/support/applecare_produc ts/service/ipod_service.html

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  128. Re:We Need Help... by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 1

    cirix? why does that name sound so familiar? do I know you? wait, did you work for RCN?

  129. Re:Well... $49 at ipodbattery.com by ePhil_One · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    I'll take that $100.

    Of course, someone who can't understand the concept of past tense isn't likely to have two bits to rub together, so I doubt I'll ever see it. Try to understand this you slack jawed nitwit. Just because I can do something today doesn't mean I could do it yesterday. Did Apple change their policy after the contraversy? Did Apple fail to to notify their support call centers about this option? Will you ever bother to pull you head out of your ass long enough to remember what fresh air smells like?

    I don't really care. It would be nice if you spontaneously recognize what an ass you are, then I could feel this little lecture about how time progresses and things change over time wasn't a complete waste of my time, but I doubt I'll get even that much satisfaction.

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  130. Another pictures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look here in 2/23.

  131. NOT autopsy by Etrigan_696 · · Score: 1

    It's only an "autopsy" if the subject died before it was examined. If radical exploratory surgery is performed on a ___Living___ subject with little regard to the subject's well being, it's called:
    Vivisection

    Had the subject survived the experience, it is called "research". If the subject dies during the quest for knowledge, it's called an "atrocity" and you get charged with neat little things like "Crimes Against Humanity" and the guys at ..oh...Say, Nuremberg decide to hang you....

    Just wanted to clear that up. Y'know - as Samuel Clemens warned us in his critique of Fenimore Cooper - "Use the right word, not it's second cousin!"

  132. Re:We Need Help... by batobin · · Score: 1

    Lemme help you out. First of all, SlickDeals is selling it for 225, not 255. There's a direct link to the deal, which uses an anchor.

    No, I'm not affiliated with slickdeals or target. I just think it's cool that an EDU-priced deal is available to the masses.

  133. Re:We Need Help... by kisielk · · Score: 1

    No questions, but a suggestion: Please take photos in focus in the future. :P I was trying to get a good look at your PCB, but it's nearly impossible to make anything out due to poor photography.

  134. Re:We Need Help... by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 1

    Ok, it's practically impossible to take high quality photos at really short range of really small shiny objects with an older digital camera. No matter how you light it, it's gonna reflect odd light, and to get in really close, you have to put the camera closer than the focal length of the lens, which will blur it.

  135. Conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Conclusion:

    Don't take apart your new iPod mini."

    we could have told him that before :)

  136. Murder, not autopsy by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    Autopsy is when you cut up something that is already dead. When you kill something that was living until you cut it is murder/killing.

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  137. Morse Code in the snow... by Sapphon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Snow?

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    1. Re:Morse Code in the snow... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Snow. Well, not now.

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  138. More Take Apart Instructions (Laptops, PDAs, ..) by wehe · · Score: 1

    From my experience it's difficult to find hardware manuals and disassembly instructions, for electronics through search engines. Therefore I have collected some repair HOWTOs for laptops, for PDAs and for portable music players. BTW: There is also a Linux software for portable music players.

  139. Why haven't they got a "liar" moderation option ? by N+Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know about you, but I only take a couple minutes to recharge after a lapdance.

    Well I had some moderation points I wanted to use on the parent post, but I just couldn't find a "liar" or at least "probably deluded" option :-)

  140. vivisection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Some fearless soul has disassembled his iPod mini and provided pictures and commentary about the process. This really does seem to be an autopsy since he managed to kill it in the process.
    I believe that's called "vivisection", not autopsy.
  141. OT:Re:Not quite an autopsy by Jotaigna · · Score: 1

    i agree, even more the more appropiate term would be dissection. "A Detailed examination or analisys."
    On the other hand,autopsy, "Examination of a cadaver to determine or confirm the cause of death".
    So unless he was trying to find out why his ipod died, is a dissection(which by the way doesnt imply the subject must be alive afterwards).

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  142. Re:Waste of money indeed! by 2Flower · · Score: 1

    For just $50 more (thats like just #30, not much) you get 10 times the space

    Assuming you have Firewire. I'm going to bet that a lot of Windows folks, myself included, do not -- USB is where we're at. And since the iPod Mini supports USB right out of the box, it's good to go... but the iPod regular does not, you have to buy a $20 cable in addition to the $50 extra you're spending.

    I went with a 15gb, and I ended up paying $70 more than the mini, and just for laughs my iPod arrived 5 days before the cable did. It sat around on my desk looking stylish and aesthetically pleasing and making no sound whatsoever until the stupid cable showed up. Rats.