I would be real careful about blindly trusting any publicly listed company within corporate America.
Its present directors who fully own this company have the latitude to make decisions based on lofty ideals (which I think you would be completely foolish to assume to be the case). Once google floats it will be answerable to its share holders who will only want one thing - ROC (Return on Capital).
Corporations are corporations... eventually Google if it isn't already at this stage will become what every other corporation is and that is a beast of the capitalistic system. These beasts don't care for your civil liberties or anything else other than lowering costs, and increasing revenues.
Just because Google isn't Microsoft is no reason to sign care of your soul over to them, any one who does is simply naive in the extreme in my view.
No serious gamer should even be considering a wireless option for gaming, when you're gaming you want the fastest and most reliable connection possible. Sorry but you do not get this with a wireless LAN, it will always be slower and less reliable than good solid cable/fibre.
I say cable it... drill through walls... floors hang it out windows... whatever.
I've been developing with.NET for over a year now and it definitely does contain alot of functionality that leverages features of the windows operating system e.g built in windows security & authentication functionality. As such to leverage the full power of.NET people could be seduced into deploying a full MS environment.
However that is not to say that there isn't a large amount of functionality that is platform independent ie solely reliant on the CLR and not leveraging Windows OS features. In fact I would say that the majority of features in.NET are independent of Windows and based on Open standards. Even things like System.DirectoryServices which is used to access Windows 2000 Server Active Directory's might be able to be developed on Linux as Active Directory is based on an open standard - LDAP.
I think a large part of what you're saying is very untrue in that I dont believe MS is going to anything other than encourage and foster development on the Mono project as it's success is clearly in MS's favour.
Looking at the larger picture MS clearly has bigger fish to fry than Linux. Sun would clearly be in it's sites... with J2EE and Solaris the very clear target of.NET. Linux and Mono offer a great migration path from Sun and is clearly an easier path than moving from J2EE/Sun Solaris to.NET/WinNT.
Depending on your attitude and how paranoid you are this could be a true win/win relationship for Linux and MS.
Increased momentum for Linux and decreased momentum for Sun.
It's interesting the internet was originally constructed to provide a communications network for the department of defence capable of surviving a nuclear attack.......and now we pause to think it can survive a corporate collapse.....
What does this say about our world today when we wonder if a corporate collapse can do something a nuclear attack shouldn't be able to do.
This too isn't a troll.... and is also based on real life experiences. Although as I actually have an alternate and probably unpopular positive view of using email for marketing purposes I probably will be modded accordingly.
I have worked with a group that does "email marketing". Is there a difference between this and spam ? Some would say no....
But I would say yes for the following reasons:-
1. They use their own servers and their own network and pay for the bandwidth required to send the emails.
2. They have a policy that all their clients should have fully qualified (opted in) lists, any client found to be breaking this rule becomes an ex-client. As they are in Australia this would be in breach of the privacy act, and they have no wish to be associated with criminal activity no matter how petty.
3. Their clients aren't selling viagra, or university degrees, they run legitimate businesses that have been in business for years. Most of them have products that are totally unrelated to internet, and use email to replace sending faxes or sending out brochures or an event calendar to clients who have a desire to receive this information.
4. They actually have a remove option that actually does get you removed from the list. And to prove they do have a genuine concern for the recipients of emails. They are currently adding web interfaces that will give email recipients control over what clients they wish to receive email from.
Now it's obvious there are some cowboys out there and many of them probably do not fully understand the consequences of their actions, or the foolishness of annoying the people you're trying to do business with or in this case get votes from, which is roughly the same thing as far as I understand the US political system. I also think that their is obviously something that needs to be done about these people as they damage not only themselves but also the people in this business with some integrity who try and play by the rules and do the right thing.
Email marketing has the ability if properly regulated and controlled to give marketers unprecedented value and give customers unprecedented service. It also has the potential to save thousands of tree's by avoiding the wasteful use of paper to disseminate information. Have you ever wanted to opt out of receiving a brochure stuffed in your letter box, a little hard isn't it ?
Is it such a bad thing if email is used for marketing ? Or do we think that all marketing is evil ? How many things do you currently have enjoy in your life that you wouldn't have if it weren't for marketing ? Hmm.. movies like The Matrix, TV series like star trek ?
I think it's unwise to make huge generalizations and often people are too quick to use the word SPAM, which seems to have become a word more dirty than most other 4 letter words.
So does anyone else think that there is some place for email marketing ? Isn't the dissemination of information what the internet was originally designed for ?
Though this technology may prove valuable for the indexing of existing media files, though I suspect its hype is bigger than it's bytes. It's pretty much a certainty that the future of searchable interactive multimedia lies in industry standards such as MPEG 7 and the MPEG 21 Multimedia Framework.
One theory is that the martian atmosphere has been erroded by solar winds. Unlike Earth, Mars does not have a substantial magnetic field to deflect solar winds and protect its atmosphere.
Using this same phenomena scientists one day hope to analyse the atmosphere's on planets in other solar systems through spectral analysis of the gaseous tail left by the planets as a result of solar winds.
Wrong Java is now supported on.NET so now you can start whinging about MS stealing the Java language and compiling it to something other than Java byte code.
1..NET will run on PC's which can be purchased and configured up and running in a day for $4K Aus(I'm an aussie)... As opposed to Sun who generally make you wait 3 months for an order and cost you $30K Aus.
2. As was with VB....NET makes web development very fast and very easy and has the potential to reduce you development costs dramatically.
3. Web serving is going to be cheaper on.NET. The administration of W2K servers is all GUI... you dont need to know Perl or Unix scripts... it's all point and click. Because of stability many will argue the costs of administrating MS servers exceeds that of Solaris or Linux... but knowing the average wage of a Unix admin ($120-180K pa) compared to that of a MS admin ($40-$120K pa) I'd have to disagree.
which leads to:-
3. The remaining issue with.NET is the stability and reliability of the development environment and operating systems... For all those who haven't been totally anti MS and have had a look at their Win 2K line you will know they have made huge improvements in the past year and at their current rate are well on track to eventually meet or surpass Sun in reliability and stability.
For us in Australia when you factor in the costs and weigh it against reliability unless you're hosting web services where people's lives are at stake (which is hardly ever) you'd have to have a blatant bias that well exceeds the size of your wallet considerably not to opt for MS.
For most of us who will be faced with the bottom line business decision there will be no rational choice but MS.
Go with the solution with the best track record...
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As soon as you get emotions start to dominate any business decision you can be guarenteed that you are heading down the wrong path.
Saying microsoft has no multimedia savvy would have to be one of the most unfounded and totally biased comments I have ever heard.
We are talking about the same company that has produced the windows media 8 protocol which is currently the best (in terms of bandwidth and quality) protocol for streaming audio and video ? The same company that is investing billions into X-Box ?
The same company that has produced Direct-X the most widely used, the best documented, the most available and without doubt the most successful multimedia software development kit on the market ?
It staggers me how such intelligent people such as Bill Joy can have such a paranoid and deluded view of the future.
Seeing such a complete lack of faith in humanity is more of worry than the possibility of technology running rampant just like it always does in hollywood sci-fi's.
I say bring it on... I can't wait to upgrade my computer from mosquito power to pidgeon power !
.NET is more than a bunch of new scripts and programming languages...
.NET is Microsoft's way of creating systems for the net. It comprises development tools, operating systems and hardware. Look at MS Datacentre and the list of companies who have signed on to use it... It's basically every hardware manufacturer except Sun... MS DataCentre is the biggest threat to unix based soltions yet. Providing OS systems for exotic (compared to PC's) mainframe type machines.
It's all tied into providing low cost PC based alternatives to the existing expensive internet development solutions e.g ORACLE, SUN etc...
It'll all come down to price and MS has a proven track record of being able to supplying functionally comparable systems to their competitors at a bargain basement price. If you look at the cost of implementing a Sun Solaris system using Oracle and compair that the latest series of MS products you'll find MS benchmark better and are half the price.
How useful a system and how easy it is to develop on in the long run is dependent on the number of people who develop on it. People provide power... not machines or languages. It's all about widely deployed a system is... Microsoft understands this well... Sun on the other hand who make you wait weeks and months for systems do not. Any arguements about which will prevail Java or.NET based on the technicalities of programming syntax is completely missing the point.
This article is obviously written by people with a total bias... Even though by their own admission JSP was the slowest and the hardest to write in, they still toted it as it being the "core Web scripting language in a few years".
They neglected to even look at ASP+ which would have a benchmark far in excess of the others as on the first hit it is compiled by the server the and run as a binary there after. With all the power of the libraries in the.NET platform accessible to it.... plus the slick Visual Studio interface behind it... There's no doubt what my pick would be.
There is a huge wealth of information about the practices and processes of developing closed source projects. Does the development of open source projects require a new approach to software development or can much of the closed source doctrines be applied in an open source project ?
Also can you list the steps that you think are key to a quality open source development process ?
I think an MS proprietary web is an inevitability. Read on before you hit reply to flame me.
Even at this stage the web has yet to see even a small percentage of the total amount of traffic it will eventually see. Many of you think that having a computer spending time on the internet is part of every standard day. The fact of the matter is a huge slab of the populace have yet to be E-ified. The standard PC is really a development box and is too complex and/or expensive for alot of people. The sort of devices that will be used by the vast majority to surf the web of tomorrow will be locked down and priced like a Sony Playstation, or an Nintendo... and will have internet access... Hmmmm kinda sounds like Microsoft's X-Box hey ?
When it comes down to it the only company that really has a clue how to market computer services to the masses is MS. Though the whole web-tv market has yet to open up my bet is X-Box and the MS marketing machine are going to kill the whole games console market and open the web up to a flood of new MS users. The 4.5% who don't use an MS browser are going to find that decimal place flying to the left of them very quickly.
In summary whoever controls the client side market, controls the demands placed that will be placed on the server side, and I think Microsoft understands this very well... Look out Java... Look out linux..
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I would be real careful about blindly trusting any publicly listed company within corporate America.
Its present directors who fully own this company have the latitude to make decisions based on lofty ideals (which I think you would be completely foolish to assume to be the case). Once google floats it will be answerable to its share holders who will only want one thing - ROC (Return on Capital).
Corporations are corporations... eventually Google if it isn't already at this stage will become what every other corporation is and that is a beast of the capitalistic system. These beasts don't care for your civil liberties or anything else other than lowering costs, and increasing revenues.
Just because Google isn't Microsoft is no reason to sign care of your soul over to them, any one who does is simply naive in the extreme in my view.
No serious gamer should even be considering a wireless option for gaming, when you're gaming you want the fastest and most reliable connection possible. Sorry but you do not get this with a wireless LAN, it will always be slower and less reliable than good solid cable/fibre.
I say cable it... drill through walls... floors hang it out windows... whatever.
P.S I hope like hell for your sake your girlfriend isn't the only other chick on this planet who reads /. besides trin here...
In summary....
Dude...
By her a diamond or you're screwed !!
If Moore's Law continues to hold true and products such as Lightwave, 3D Studio, and Maya continue to mature and reduce in cost.
How do you see the world of CG as an artform evolving ?
What do you think will be the fundamental differences between your industry as it is today as to how it might be then ?
The chances are extremely good.
.NET for over a year now and it definitely does contain alot of functionality that leverages features of the windows operating system e.g built in windows security & authentication functionality. As such to leverage the full power of .NET people could be seduced into deploying a full MS environment.
.NET are independent of Windows and based on Open standards. Even things like System.DirectoryServices which is used to access Windows 2000 Server Active Directory's might be able to be developed on Linux as Active Directory is based on an open standard - LDAP.
.NET. Linux and Mono offer a great migration path from Sun and is clearly an easier path than moving from J2EE/Sun Solaris to .NET/WinNT.
Part of what you say is true.
I've been developing with
However that is not to say that there isn't a large amount of functionality that is platform independent ie solely reliant on the CLR and not leveraging Windows OS features. In fact I would say that the majority of features in
I think a large part of what you're saying is very untrue in that I dont believe MS is going to anything other than encourage and foster development on the Mono project as it's success is clearly in MS's favour.
Looking at the larger picture MS clearly has bigger fish to fry than Linux. Sun would clearly be in it's sites... with J2EE and Solaris the very clear target of
Depending on your attitude and how paranoid you are this could be a true win/win relationship for Linux and MS.
Increased momentum for Linux and decreased momentum for Sun.
It's interesting the internet was originally constructed to provide a communications network for the department of defence capable of surviving a nuclear attack.... ...and now we pause to think it can survive a corporate collapse.....
What does this say about our world today when we wonder if a corporate collapse can do something a nuclear attack shouldn't be able to do.
This too isn't a troll.... and is also based on real life experiences. Although as I actually have an alternate and probably unpopular positive view of using email for marketing purposes I probably will be modded accordingly.
I have worked with a group that does "email marketing". Is there a difference between this and spam ? Some would say no....
But I would say yes for the following reasons:-
1. They use their own servers and their own network and pay for the bandwidth required to send the emails.
2. They have a policy that all their clients should have fully qualified (opted in) lists, any client found to be breaking this rule becomes an ex-client. As they are in Australia this would be in breach of the privacy act, and they have no wish to be associated with criminal activity no matter how petty.
3. Their clients aren't selling viagra, or university degrees, they run legitimate businesses that have been in business for years. Most of them have products that are totally unrelated to internet, and use email to replace sending faxes or sending out brochures or an event calendar to clients who have a desire to receive this information.
4. They actually have a remove option that actually does get you removed from the list. And to prove they do have a genuine concern for the recipients of emails. They are currently adding web interfaces that will give email recipients control over what clients they wish to receive email from.
Now it's obvious there are some cowboys out there and many of them probably do not fully understand the consequences of their actions, or the foolishness of annoying the people you're trying to do business with or in this case get votes from, which is roughly the same thing as far as I understand the US political system. I also think that their is obviously something that needs to be done about these people as they damage not only themselves but also the people in this business with some integrity who try and play by the rules and do the right thing.
Email marketing has the ability if properly regulated and controlled to give marketers unprecedented value and give customers unprecedented service. It also has the potential to save thousands of tree's by avoiding the wasteful use of paper to disseminate information. Have you ever wanted to opt out of receiving a brochure stuffed in your letter box, a little hard isn't it ?
Is it such a bad thing if email is used for marketing ? Or do we think that all marketing is evil ? How many things do you currently have enjoy in your life that you wouldn't have if it weren't for marketing ? Hmm.. movies like The Matrix, TV series like star trek ?
I think it's unwise to make huge generalizations and often people are too quick to use the word SPAM, which seems to have become a word more dirty than most other 4 letter words.
So does anyone else think that there is some place for email marketing ? Isn't the dissemination of information what the internet was originally designed for ?
Though this technology may prove valuable for the indexing of existing media files, though I suspect its hype is bigger than it's bytes. It's pretty much a certainty that the future of searchable interactive multimedia lies in industry standards such as MPEG 7 and the MPEG 21 Multimedia Framework.
One theory is that the martian atmosphere has been erroded by solar winds. Unlike Earth, Mars does not have a substantial magnetic field to deflect solar winds and protect its atmosphere.
Using this same phenomena scientists one day hope to analyse the atmosphere's on planets in other solar systems through spectral analysis of the gaseous tail left by the planets as a result of solar winds.Wrong Java is now supported on .NET so now you can start whinging about MS stealing the Java language and compiling it to something other than Java byte code.
You left a couple of major points... such as...
.NET will run on PC's which can be purchased and configured up and running in a day for $4K Aus(I'm an aussie)... As opposed to Sun who generally make you wait 3 months for an order and cost you $30K Aus.
.NET makes web development very fast and very easy and has the potential to reduce you development costs dramatically.
.NET. The administration of W2K servers is all GUI... you dont need to know Perl or Unix scripts... it's all point and click. Because of stability many will argue the costs of administrating MS servers exceeds that of Solaris or Linux... but knowing the average wage of a Unix admin ($120-180K pa) compared to that of a MS admin ($40-$120K pa) I'd have to disagree.
.NET is the stability and reliability of the development environment and operating systems... For all those who haven't been totally anti MS and have had a look at their Win 2K line you will know they have made huge improvements in the past year and at their current rate are well on track to eventually meet or surpass Sun in reliability and stability.
1.
2. As was with VB...
3. Web serving is going to be cheaper on
which leads to:-
3. The remaining issue with
For us in Australia when you factor in the costs and weigh it against reliability unless you're hosting web services where people's lives are at stake (which is hardly ever) you'd have to have a blatant bias that well exceeds the size of your wallet considerably not to opt for MS.
For most of us who will be faced with the bottom line business decision there will be no rational choice but MS.
I suggest you look at FastCast Networks. They have a very successful track record with providing quality media streaming services on a large scale.
As soon as you get emotions start to dominate any business decision you can be guarenteed that you are heading down the wrong path.
Saying microsoft has no multimedia savvy would have to be one of the most unfounded and totally biased comments I have ever heard.
We are talking about the same company that has produced the windows media 8 protocol which is currently the best (in terms of bandwidth and quality) protocol for streaming audio and video ? The same company that is investing billions into X-Box ?
The same company that has produced Direct-X the most widely used, the best documented, the most available and without doubt the most successful multimedia software development kit on the market ?
If MS have no savvy in this area who does ?
Mac and Quicktime ? You've got to be kidding !
It staggers me how such intelligent people such as Bill Joy can have such a paranoid and deluded view of the future.
Seeing such a complete lack of faith in humanity is more of worry than the possibility of technology running rampant just like it always does in hollywood sci-fi's.
I say bring it on... I can't wait to upgrade my computer from mosquito power to pidgeon power !
Can I make a suggestion for your website... how about enabling people to select a year so that they may see a prediction of storage in say 10 yrs...
.NET is more than a bunch of new scripts and programming languages...
.NET based on the technicalities of programming syntax is completely missing the point.
.NET is Microsoft's way of creating systems for the net. It comprises development tools, operating systems and hardware. Look at MS Datacentre and the list of companies who have signed on to use it... It's basically every hardware manufacturer except Sun... MS DataCentre is the biggest threat to unix based soltions yet. Providing OS systems for exotic (compared to PC's) mainframe type machines.
It's all tied into providing low cost PC based alternatives to the existing expensive internet development solutions e.g ORACLE, SUN etc...
It'll all come down to price and MS has a proven track record of being able to supplying functionally comparable systems to their competitors at a bargain basement price. If you look at the cost of implementing a Sun Solaris system using Oracle and compair that the latest series of MS products you'll find MS benchmark better and are half the price.
How useful a system and how easy it is to develop on in the long run is dependent on the number of people who develop on it. People provide power... not machines or languages. It's all about widely deployed a system is... Microsoft understands this well... Sun on the other hand who make you wait weeks and months for systems do not. Any arguements about which will prevail Java or
This article is obviously written by people with a total bias... Even though by their own admission JSP was the slowest and the hardest to write in, they still toted it as it being the "core Web scripting language in a few years".
.NET platform accessible to it.... plus the slick Visual Studio interface behind it... There's no doubt what my pick would be.
They neglected to even look at ASP+ which would have a benchmark far in excess of the others as on the first hit it is compiled by the server the and run as a binary there after. With all the power of the libraries in the
There is a huge wealth of information about the practices and processes of developing closed source projects. Does the development of open source projects require a new approach to software development or can much of the closed source doctrines be applied in an open source project ? Also can you list the steps that you think are key to a quality open source development process ?
I think an MS proprietary web is an inevitability. Read on before you hit reply to flame me.
Even at this stage the web has yet to see even a small percentage of the total amount of traffic it will eventually see. Many of you think that having a computer spending time on the internet is part of every standard day. The fact of the matter is a huge slab of the populace have yet to be E-ified. The standard PC is really a development box and is too complex and/or expensive for alot of people. The sort of devices that will be used by the vast majority to surf the web of tomorrow will be locked down and priced like a Sony Playstation, or an Nintendo... and will have internet access... Hmmmm kinda sounds like Microsoft's X-Box hey ?
When it comes down to it the only company that really has a clue how to market computer services to the masses is MS. Though the whole web-tv market has yet to open up my bet is X-Box and the MS marketing machine are going to kill the whole games console market and open the web up to a flood of new MS users. The 4.5% who don't use an MS browser are going to find that decimal place flying to the left of them very quickly.
In summary whoever controls the client side market, controls the demands placed that will be placed on the server side, and I think Microsoft understands this very well... Look out Java... Look out linux..