The GPL has nothing to do with how you or myself live our lives and continue computing into the future. The GPL is the beliefs of a specific segment of the community. These beliefs are rather "communisitic" in relevence to peoples opinions and theories of how things should be, but that doesn't make it good or bad.
It also doesn't make Microsoft good or bad.
I'd rather spend my time working out reasons to lower taxes, increase education spending, get rid of dumb ass George Bush for president and get the economy back on scale
And guess what, businesses need to make money off IP and everything else they make money off of to provide you software. Commercial/GPL/Free or downright public domain, it doesn't matter. Someone has to support it. Your dumb ass comment about "For every small company that can't make money writing GPL software, there are 500 that can make money by using it" is pathetic as well. How can software evolve if 500 people are using this piece of software in a different solution? Is the community not only supposed to use thee software but support it as well?
Don't you know that 99.9 percent of the people who exist and use computers, use them to solve specific issues? How can a computer be of assistance to people who want a solution rather then a piece of software for free?
I pay for a quality. Believe it or not, Microsoft's software as of lately is pretty damn amazing.
I've got a 1,200 dollar PC that can play MP3's, Watch DVD's, Surf the net, email friends, chat, do my taxes, play games, trade stocks, and most of all work.
I paid for that right, and i chose microsoft products on that PC because they are powerfull enough, simple enough and stable enough to get the job done.
I also chose linux for my server for the same reasons, powerfull enough, simple enough and it gets the job done. BUT i also BOUGHT linux becuase i don't have time to goober around with everything when there is a whole world outside begging time and i'd rather be out in this world then sitting around saying everything should be free.
Yeah, aren't these working conditions just nuts? I was once working in linux coding for 24 hours non stop and forgot to blink, i then got in my car and crashed into a garbage truck and will sue redhat because they didn't warn me about working conditions.
Amazon.com should really form a union as well, i've heard they had dangerous staples in the packaging that is really harming the employees working environment. I also heard one time people started to become afraid to touch door knobs because of static electricity shocks.
The web is for desktops, use wap & pda portals for your pda.
I find it ironic that your so hip in technology to use a PDA but want everything text based for your convenience as well.
as for the impaired, standardizing will only *IMPROVE* the ability to design interfaces that user STANDARD data types and such. Only making it many times easier to use the information you retrieve.
Corel created Corel linux because they needed features that other distributions don't/didn't/won't have. So are you saying Oracle should come out with its own version of linux or pay redhat to keep 6.2 afloat? (after all, for enterpise linux, why would oracle float the costs to develop instead of vice versa, the os is only as good as the apps, and no matter what anyone else thinks oracle sells alot more then just databases!)
Is the beauty of linux that linux isn't linux but everyone can make there own distro and nothing will ever work fully because everyone has there own idea of how things should work?
Oracle was just an example. Oracle won't provide the source for there software so it is essentially illegal for them to link against anything that is GPL becauset he GPL license doesn't allow that. (I believe LGPL possibly does, but i could care less, out of scope for this discusstion).
For another example. Buy a RedHat 6.2 based server from VA Linux and that has different software from the RedHat 6.2 you buy from RedHat as well as the RedHat 6.2 system you can buy from penguin computing.
This "Service Pack" thread of NT is BS as well. If it was as simple as running linux with Service pack 1 then by all hell that would be easier then saying "This software must run under RedHat 6.2 with rpm updates blah blah and kernel version 2.1.17-28"
Atleast i can install oracle (again, an example) on Solaris 8 because i know solaris 8 is certified. Doesn't matter if i have Sun come in and install it, its still solaris 8, doesn't matter if i hire an outside consulting firm to install it, still solaris 8, doesn't matter if i get it pre-installed, its still solaris 8.
Linux doesn't have anything close to a "foundation" for an application framework (such as oracle and oracle applications) to build from and such you have to run features so specific its not linux but Redhat.
Back to my original question, why call it linux or even compatible if each distro and each version is so different that you have to be so specific?
Atleast with NT i know if it says Service Pack 3 i can Buy a server from Dell and specify service pack 3, but with RedHat there is no standard, not even within there own versioning. RedHat can't say "Pengiun computers must use the base install + drivers and optional support".
This really won't go anywhere, i just wanted to see peoples opinions on it.
So your saying not only should have have multiple glibcs to make everything work backwards compatible but i should force my applications to link against glibc 2.1.3.1.382.1.3 so when people upgrad to glibc2.1.3.1.39 they have to keep the older library around for backwards compatibility?
Why can't things just be fowards compatible? I'm not talking about linking against glibc 2.2 and running on glibc 2.1, i'm talking about why do apps linked against glibc 2.1 fail under 2.2?
And thats not all of it either. You can't just say requires glibc 2.1.3, you have to say Requires GLIBC 2.1.3, RedHat 6.2, Redhat upgrade of so and so rpms, IBM's java sdk 1.1.8 and kernel 2.2.17-24.
What is there to linux if you have to hack a system together that is totally incomprehensable to proffessionaly maintain on a commercial software level (ie, not having the sourcecode like in the original question).
Redhat 7.0 is supported, RedHat 6.2 will be falling off the face of the earth. My question isn't also really concerns of oracle specific issues, but that of any application shipped in library and.o form that requires relinking.
So is glibc2.1 and the listdc++ changing so much to support new hardware/new kernels and new features that old and working systems cannnot move forward?
Ofcourse you need to certify your business applications against a specific environment. But my question is how can we have so many vendors each calling there system Linux but we all have to run RedHat 6.2 because that is the only supported linux?
The SP fix is just BS. If it was that simple then i could apply the service pack on any "linux" distro because they're all functioning in the same so called way.
I must admit, i may be ditching redhat for Suse since Suse seems to understand that it is the applications that make the system and not just the OS.
Keep up the good work on Suse, and keep working with Oracle and all the other vendors to provide a stable and successfull distro.
Actually Internet explorer doesn't come with a jvm, it is a 4 1/2 meg download ontop of the 18+ meg download that entails the whole "Internet Explorer".
To be on the safe and official side i have replaced all IE boxes with Netscape 4.76 and Java plugin 1.2.2 because that is the only standard that works. Ever try running a real Java application under IE? It doesn't work! It will crap out, cause problems or simply run slow or not at all.
The move to a true JVM is a blessing, it just shows ignorance on your part in that microsoft re-packages it. Would it make you feel better if netscape renamed it to javigator and installed it for you?
I'm running NT Workstation 4.0 SP6 on a PIII 450 with 128 megs of ram and it runs fine.
I also have Oracle Jinitiator running, the oracle enterprise manager and Outlook up. So memory is pegged all'round.
I do get some chugs under big websites like www.absolutesega.com, but Cnn, news,com, slashdot.org, sega.net, oracle.com, metalink.oracle.com all work great!
Netscape 6.0 is amazingly fast/smooth under Windows NT. They did a good job to get it out, but it still has its bugs.
The *MOST* Important thing to do is remove *ANY* old mozillareg.dat's, and OLD Netscape Beta profiles and any old stale files.
I had an old profile that it upgraded, but everything just acted goofy, crashed, or rendered wrong (don't know why). After deleting the old profiles and creating a new one everything runs MUCH better, LOOKS much better and doesn't act goofy.
I'm glad they released this one. Its good to have a product they can get contsructive criticism from as well as build a foundation from. Better to ship now to get the product out then delay another 32 months to bloat it.
My Gravis Ultra Sound had the Red PCB 5 years ago!
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Yup! My lovely GUS had the 2 foot long (seemed like it back then) red pcb back when my AMD 386 DX 40 with 4 megs of ram was a killer machine!
Boy howdy i miss those days of playing Future Crew demos showing off my powerfull Oak OTI66 card with 512k ram and my Gravis Ultrasound pumping out 32 simulatenous tracks of S3M heaven hehe. (My gus had more memory then my video card at one point!)
While I would *love* to have flextime myself, it just doesn't cut it in my opinion.
1. Infrastrucure - 8-6 Hours
2. Sales - 8-5 Hours
3. Support - 8-6 Hours
4. Community Support - 8-5 Hours
In a "Non Silicon Valley Community" The above "Rules" still apply.
1. If your having problems with building maintenance, phone lines, networking, water pipes anything related to your busienss infrastructure you cant get support if your employees are coming in late or super early. Business's do have after hours, but if your relying on After hours, its costing you more then what flextime is worth!
2. Sales. No mattwer WHAT business you are in your selling something. There is no way to function sales outside of 8-5 mon-fri. Infact most sales are probably form 9-3 because the decision makers are busy before and after that time. Again, flextimt with 9-3 as required core hours could work, but not what slashdotters think is the normal flextime
3. Support - Going back to infrastructure. Business support, lawyers, legal departments, city officials, record keeps, anything that keeps your business going are only open during this finite window.
4. Community Support - Kind of covers everything. Most places only support businesses from 8-5, alot of places are zoned for one way or another, buses only work during peak hours in most towns, public transportation doesn't exist after 6 pm, whatever it is, most communities can't support a work day outside of 8-6.
That is just my opinion. I would *LOVE* flextime, but basically i work 96 hours a week myself so it doesn't matter anyhow. I'm off onsite Mon-Thursday and my flextime is friday and saturday and then back at the airport on Sunday.
Being a Consultnat flextime ticks me off since i have to show up for the early birds and stay through the late ones often sitting at the office for 12-14 hours before i even get to go to my hotel to work on reports, timecards and expenses.
Could possibly the flextime and ultimate support of the individual rather then the group or "team" be the demise of the dot coms? Every.com i've been at supported a team atmosphere from an outside point of view, but inside it was a dog eat dog world moreso then any typical corporate/established company with eastablish rules/policies and schedules.
Well, with all the hype going towards mozilla why not give Netscape a chance! If everyone is so anti netscape then everyone should run a purely free debian!
I'm personally interested in the netscape release. The instant messaging, email, website integration along with improvements over 4.x make it a great browser, as well as Oracle probably won't spend the money to certify mozilla for applications anytime soon.
When there is a topic about mozilla they don't yell give netscape a chance and have that be a "5 informative" so geeze, this is news about netscape. After all netscape is the beast behind mozilla, without each other NONE of this would exist.
The problem that I face with the arguement that IE is better than NS, is that IE doesn't exist so far as I'm concerned.
I don't see that as a problem. The true battle for the desktop browser has already been won my IE. Is that a hard fact to accept?
Sure in linux there are many battles going on with other browsers, but thats only fragmenting the talent and so called standards compliance amongs many products
People forgot computing was supposed to make our lives simpler. Whatever happened to that?
Windows ME or Win2k with IE 5.5 is about as simple of a computing solutino you can use. To me linux doesn't even compare.
Say I'm using Linux on a PowerPC, MIPS, Alpha, or SPARC machine. I haven't seen versions of MS Windows lately for any of those platforms. Perhaps it's not that hard per se (head down to Gateway Country and buy a winbox), but it sure is expensive.
Well GEEE mr, if you have a PowerPC, Alpha or Sparc i'm sure you can certainly afford a PC from gateway.
I hope this marks the end of the "console" as a proprietary game system and embarks on a future of games for the common system.
This could mean a console sized PC instead of more and more devices under your TV.
I think Microsft, Nvidia, and Sega could make a gaming empire. Hell, if RedHat had some ipo money left over Redhat, Nvidia and Sega could produce and OS, Video/Graphics and Gaming solution as open as anything.
But, to me. PR is PR, as you see the stock rose 8% and i certainly havn't seen any games announced for any console or pc. So take it with a grain of salt. This has been one hell of a rumor week for both consoles.
Wrong. Sega never announced the DreamCast would be the last console, nor did they never announce they would be out of the console business.
It is only safe to say they're interested in the software business. After all that will make Sony the loss leader since it is depending on the hardware sales to drive the software sales. Sega on the otherhand makes the games and the hardware, so they're now saying they won't screw with loosing on the hardware when they can make a killing on the software.
Smart move if you ask me. I could care less how many consoles are out there. I just love the games they produce and master.
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It also doesn't make Microsoft good or bad.
I'd rather spend my time working out reasons to lower taxes, increase education spending, get rid of dumb ass George Bush for president and get the economy back on scale
And guess what, businesses need to make money off IP and everything else they make money off of to provide you software. Commercial/GPL/Free or downright public domain, it doesn't matter. Someone has to support it. Your dumb ass comment about "For every small company that can't make money writing GPL software, there are 500 that can make money by using it" is pathetic as well. How can software evolve if 500 people are using this piece of software in a different solution? Is the community not only supposed to use thee software but support it as well?
Don't you know that 99.9 percent of the people who exist and use computers, use them to solve specific issues? How can a computer be of assistance to people who want a solution rather then a piece of software for free?
I pay for a quality. Believe it or not, Microsoft's software as of lately is pretty damn amazing.
I've got a 1,200 dollar PC that can play MP3's, Watch DVD's, Surf the net, email friends, chat, do my taxes, play games, trade stocks, and most of all work.
I paid for that right, and i chose microsoft products on that PC because they are powerfull enough, simple enough and stable enough to get the job done.
I also chose linux for my server for the same reasons, powerfull enough, simple enough and it gets the job done. BUT i also BOUGHT linux becuase i don't have time to goober around with everything when there is a whole world outside begging time and i'd rather be out in this world then sitting around saying everything should be free.
Amazon.com should really form a union as well, i've heard they had dangerous staples in the packaging that is really harming the employees working environment. I also heard one time people started to become afraid to touch door knobs because of static electricity shocks.
Glad i don't work in those harmfull environments
I find it ironic that your so hip in technology to use a PDA but want everything text based for your convenience as well.
as for the impaired, standardizing will only *IMPROVE* the ability to design interfaces that user STANDARD data types and such. Only making it many times easier to use the information you retrieve.
Upgrade your browsers!
Is the beauty of linux that linux isn't linux but everyone can make there own distro and nothing will ever work fully because everyone has there own idea of how things should work?
For another example. Buy a RedHat 6.2 based server from VA Linux and that has different software from the RedHat 6.2 you buy from RedHat as well as the RedHat 6.2 system you can buy from penguin computing.
This "Service Pack" thread of NT is BS as well. If it was as simple as running linux with Service pack 1 then by all hell that would be easier then saying "This software must run under RedHat 6.2 with rpm updates blah blah and kernel version 2.1.17-28"
Atleast i can install oracle (again, an example) on Solaris 8 because i know solaris 8 is certified. Doesn't matter if i have Sun come in and install it, its still solaris 8, doesn't matter if i hire an outside consulting firm to install it, still solaris 8, doesn't matter if i get it pre-installed, its still solaris 8.
Linux doesn't have anything close to a "foundation" for an application framework (such as oracle and oracle applications) to build from and such you have to run features so specific its not linux but Redhat.
Back to my original question, why call it linux or even compatible if each distro and each version is so different that you have to be so specific?
Atleast with NT i know if it says Service Pack 3 i can Buy a server from Dell and specify service pack 3, but with RedHat there is no standard, not even within there own versioning. RedHat can't say "Pengiun computers must use the base install + drivers and optional support".
This really won't go anywhere, i just wanted to see peoples opinions on it.
Why can't things just be fowards compatible? I'm not talking about linking against glibc 2.2 and running on glibc 2.1, i'm talking about why do apps linked against glibc 2.1 fail under 2.2?
And thats not all of it either. You can't just say requires glibc 2.1.3, you have to say Requires GLIBC 2.1.3, RedHat 6.2, Redhat upgrade of so and so rpms, IBM's java sdk 1.1.8 and kernel 2.2.17-24.
What is there to linux if you have to hack a system together that is totally incomprehensable to proffessionaly maintain on a commercial software level (ie, not having the sourcecode like in the original question).
So is glibc2.1 and the listdc++ changing so much to support new hardware/new kernels and new features that old and working systems cannnot move forward?
Ofcourse you need to certify your business applications against a specific environment. But my question is how can we have so many vendors each calling there system Linux but we all have to run RedHat 6.2 because that is the only supported linux?
The SP fix is just BS. If it was that simple then i could apply the service pack on any "linux" distro because they're all functioning in the same so called way.
I must admit, i may be ditching redhat for Suse since Suse seems to understand that it is the applications that make the system and not just the OS. Keep up the good work on Suse, and keep working with Oracle and all the other vendors to provide a stable and successfull distro.
There is a serial port as well as ports under the dreamcast, which under current hacking tests all show high speed thouroughput.
The modem doesn't consume 5% of the cpu either, adding support for online games & software ip stack consumes the 5% of the cpu.
To be on the safe and official side i have replaced all IE boxes with Netscape 4.76 and Java plugin 1.2.2 because that is the only standard that works. Ever try running a real Java application under IE? It doesn't work! It will crap out, cause problems or simply run slow or not at all.
The move to a true JVM is a blessing, it just shows ignorance on your part in that microsoft re-packages it. Would it make you feel better if netscape renamed it to javigator and installed it for you?
Maybe on linux, but not on my nt machine.
I also have Oracle Jinitiator running, the oracle enterprise manager and Outlook up. So memory is pegged all'round.
I do get some chugs under big websites like www.absolutesega.com, but Cnn, news,com, slashdot.org, sega.net, oracle.com, metalink.oracle.com all work great!
The *MOST* Important thing to do is remove *ANY* old mozillareg.dat's, and OLD Netscape Beta profiles and any old stale files.
I had an old profile that it upgraded, but everything just acted goofy, crashed, or rendered wrong (don't know why). After deleting the old profiles and creating a new one everything runs MUCH better, LOOKS much better and doesn't act goofy.
I'm glad they released this one. Its good to have a product they can get contsructive criticism from as well as build a foundation from. Better to ship now to get the product out then delay another 32 months to bloat it.
Boy howdy i miss those days of playing Future Crew demos showing off my powerfull Oak OTI66 card with 512k ram and my Gravis Ultrasound pumping out 32 simulatenous tracks of S3M heaven hehe. (My gus had more memory then my video card at one point!)
1. Infrastrucure - 8-6 Hours
2. Sales - 8-5 Hours
3. Support - 8-6 Hours
4. Community Support - 8-5 Hours
In a "Non Silicon Valley Community" The above "Rules" still apply.
1. If your having problems with building maintenance, phone lines, networking, water pipes anything related to your busienss infrastructure you cant get support if your employees are coming in late or super early. Business's do have after hours, but if your relying on After hours, its costing you more then what flextime is worth!
2. Sales. No mattwer WHAT business you are in your selling something. There is no way to function sales outside of 8-5 mon-fri. Infact most sales are probably form 9-3 because the decision makers are busy before and after that time. Again, flextimt with 9-3 as required core hours could work, but not what slashdotters think is the normal flextime
3. Support - Going back to infrastructure. Business support, lawyers, legal departments, city officials, record keeps, anything that keeps your business going are only open during this finite window.
4. Community Support - Kind of covers everything. Most places only support businesses from 8-5, alot of places are zoned for one way or another, buses only work during peak hours in most towns, public transportation doesn't exist after 6 pm, whatever it is, most communities can't support a work day outside of 8-6.
That is just my opinion. I would *LOVE* flextime, but basically i work 96 hours a week myself so it doesn't matter anyhow. I'm off onsite Mon-Thursday and my flextime is friday and saturday and then back at the airport on Sunday.
Being a Consultnat flextime ticks me off since i have to show up for the early birds and stay through the late ones often sitting at the office for 12-14 hours before i even get to go to my hotel to work on reports, timecards and expenses.
Could possibly the flextime and ultimate support of the individual rather then the group or "team" be the demise of the dot coms? Every .com i've been at supported a team atmosphere from an outside point of view, but inside it was a dog eat dog world moreso then any typical corporate/established company with eastablish rules/policies and schedules.
Mozilla crashes more and the nightlies startup slower then ever before.
I don't run linux, don't intend to so there is no reason for me to look for a decent browser. I already got netscape and ie.
I'm personally interested in the netscape release. The instant messaging, email, website integration along with improvements over 4.x make it a great browser, as well as Oracle probably won't spend the money to certify mozilla for applications anytime soon.
When there is a topic about mozilla they don't yell give netscape a chance and have that be a "5 informative" so geeze, this is news about netscape. After all netscape is the beast behind mozilla, without each other NONE of this would exist.
Anyone got one. I'll pay $125.00 for one of these, 100 bucks for the unit and 25 for shipping. message me
I don't see that as a problem. The true battle for the desktop browser has already been won my IE. Is that a hard fact to accept?
Sure in linux there are many battles going on with other browsers, but thats only fragmenting the talent and so called standards compliance amongs many products
People forgot computing was supposed to make our lives simpler. Whatever happened to that?
Windows ME or Win2k with IE 5.5 is about as simple of a computing solutino you can use. To me linux doesn't even compare.
Well GEEE mr, if you have a PowerPC, Alpha or Sparc i'm sure you can certainly afford a PC from gateway.
Duh :)
After all, its "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."
So why is your aticle rated so high? I dunno.
Geez, not all of us run linux. And Mozilla/Netscape 6 under Windows *STINKS*. Even on nightlies.
This could mean a console sized PC instead of more and more devices under your TV.
I think Microsft, Nvidia, and Sega could make a gaming empire. Hell, if RedHat had some ipo money left over Redhat, Nvidia and Sega could produce and OS, Video/Graphics and Gaming solution as open as anything.
But, to me. PR is PR, as you see the stock rose 8% and i certainly havn't seen any games announced for any console or pc. So take it with a grain of salt. This has been one hell of a rumor week for both consoles.
It is only safe to say they're interested in the software business. After all that will make Sony the loss leader since it is depending on the hardware sales to drive the software sales. Sega on the otherhand makes the games and the hardware, so they're now saying they won't screw with loosing on the hardware when they can make a killing on the software.
Smart move if you ask me. I could care less how many consoles are out there. I just love the games they produce and master.