As I remember (having worked for the StarDivision before it was bought) StarOffice 5 was quiet a rewrite from 4, allowing it to run better on Linux, OS2 and MacOS.
Sorry, but the Wired article was "atrocious" in it self. Seemed like a copy and paste of the last 5 News about large Linux migration projects.
I have been using OpenOffice since it was StarWriter (for DOS) and have always found it better suited for my needs. Right now I am using the "forked" (ha, ha) version distributed by Novell with openSuSE 10.2 and am very happy.
I have done a lot of technical, private and business documentation (Text, Presentations, Spreadsheets, Vector Drawings) using every incarnation of this Suite and can't say it was bad. On the other hand, I have been forced to use MS Office(95 to 2000) at my new Workplace the last 3 years and am constantly frustrated by it.
My short complaint list:
Word documents looking different on 2 exactly the same PCs at work! Excel choking at big files (20mb+) Outlook not having a decent spell checker (inline) Automatic formating in Word making my life so much more difficult (bullets being wrong and a lot more)
But on a conciliatory note, I don't much care if anyone likes OOo or not, I do, you don't. Who is harmed? Nobody, as I payed 0$ for my copy of OOo and you got Office for "free" with your PC.
Cheers
PS: for specific tasks I don't use OOo. Thats when I need a more powerful tool, like Inkscape, GIMP, Gnumeric, Blender (kicks ass!).
It used to be that if one an application crashed and it was called just that: it crashed. Today its a DOS attack! Imagine how many DOS my old Windows 3.11 had... come to think of it, it only had one DOS.
Know basic math terms!! Better: Have a list that translates english math terms to your language. I had such a hard time, even after having read some good SAT books, with math terms in english! billion != billion (german - english)
Learn Farenheit, Miles, Gallons etc. I found it hard to work these terms.
I have seen Win98 beening switched for Linux. As a matter of fact, it has been me who does it. As the support "specialist" in the family/friends I often get asked to fix a Win98/2000 PC. Two years ago I made a cut and stopped supporting Windows. Just as Microsoft did. Its not a "religious" kind of thing, its more about self protection. I noticed back then that fixing issues was not a matter of minutes as it used to be, but became a matter of hours, often requiering me to reinstall OS/drivers/documents etc.
For anyone of those friends/family who know that I was the right person for them to keep as "admin" I have moved to Linux (SuSE 10.0 and 10.1). No new hardware was necessary for any of them (lowest being 800 Mhz and 256 RAM). As someone posted before, new network cards required for DSL that most of my family uses nowerdays, is badly if at all supported in Win98, but works flawlessly on Linux.
My experience is that if you don't tell your family/friends that you will install Linux and not Windows they will take months untill they have realized it. Its not that they are dumb, but they don't care too much. If you tell them beforehand, though they will rebell for no apparent reason (human behaviour, I guess). Heres a small list of why I prefer Linux over Win98/Win2000 (XP out of the question of such old hardware):
1. ssh: love to be able to dial up to their PCs to do basic maintanence. I know there are Windows tools to do this, but the command line is so much more productive over a slow network.
2. root: Just the concept of the system being true multiuser from the start makes my task as admin so much easyer. Again, I know I could tick Win2000 to do this, but why bother if it is the right way in Linux from the start.
3. security: I don't care if security is there because of better coding or because there are less Linux installs out there. My 2 year experience mantaining Linux can be boiled down to this: NO VIRUS/ NO SPYWARE. Don't try to convince me that there are Windows "tools" that remove this stuff, I just don't have to, thats why I install Linux.
4. customizing: All, and I mean ALL who have gotten Linux installed by me love the flexibility to customize. You would not believe it, but most non-PC literates absolutely love to customize the colors, fonts, backgrounds etc of their PC. Linux (KDE) just rocks on these grounds. Ohh boy, I again know there are "freewares" out there that enable you to do similar tasks on Win98/2000 but they allmost allways fuck up your stability.
5. amarok: This is the killer application on Linux. Everyone I show this app want to switch!
Well did I get excited when I read the title! For you in the world, Bulli is also a very successful german Commedian (the slashdot croud should check his movie out "(T)Raumschiff Surprise - Periode 1", a StarTrec spoof). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Herbig
Hi, those new "normal" people tend to also include ever more young people who are ever more IT competent. These are those who will tend to choose Firefox over IE for all known reasons. cheers
funny, I was thinking of writing the same comment, but repace Ubuntu with openSuSE... and smart update && smart upgrade.
Anyone know how to get the sound working in VMware and Windows 98 (don`t tell me google, as I tried it), the device found has no driver that fits... and the SoundBlaster 16 driver does not work:-(
no Wine is no use, as these are learning CDroms my wife needs for medicine and they require a real Windows 98.
You can also add my Mother to your list. She got tired of using her rather old Windows 98 machine and asked for a new one. Knowing her PC habits I did not go for a Desktop but a refurbished laptop (nice price/performace ratio) and put opensuse 10.0 on it (soon 10.1). Since then she has been very happy. She complains about some emails not opening the attachments (mallware) and some powerpoint not working as expected (mallware). But flawless VoIP and the locked down system (she can't break anything) makes her a happy user. She lives in South America, I do in Europe... ssh this ssh that and she is up to date! happy customer
[irony] shit, once again I am stuck! I tried to install it on my SuSE 10.1, but it does not work... this damn Windows Genuine Advantage. If Novel only had a SuSE Genuine Advantage. [/irony]
Well, thats a bummer. I learned from these "problems". My mother is also on dialup (even on an other continent). Thats why I use ssh, and use dyndns.com to provide me with her IP.
As I "have" to do IT service for more than one person in my family, so I don't rely on any "default" way of doing things. oOO configurations are saved in the home directory, making a backup/restore very easy, even over dialup.
My advice is to set up your mothers box during your next visit to be able to do remote admin tasks. It saves you a lot of time.
I had hoped she had installed Ubuntu herself... ohh she did not?
Maybe I can't follow your argument, first she uses Linux, then she can't click on a Menu called Tools, then select Options?
Well why don`t you change it for her... I am sure she will not notice. I do this trick with my Mother all the time. (ssh into her box and do proactive changes that she does not notice)
Tools > Options > Load/Save > General. Near the bottom of the dialog, select each Standard File Format and set Always save as to the relevant OpenOffice.org document.
Strange, I have been using OO Writer since it was StarWriter 5.0 for DOS and the outline numbering has worked for all legal documents I have made. I have also used it on a doctorate paper and countless technical documentations. I will grant you one thing, the dialog that allows you to use this feature shoud get a mayor rewrite. As you have singled out one feature you hate in OO I will do the same for Word 2000: File format! While this is not truly open (free and documented) its just a data grave where each version makes the next impossible to use... Switch to KWrite if you will, but if you need full feature support and openness stick to OO.org
Maybe I dont understand exactly your requirements, but here is my "linux" solution: LAMP. I use for the same kind of projekt MySQL as Database (Access backend), phpMyAdmin and OpenOffice Base (Access frontend), SuSE Linux as server (MS Windows XYZ).
Or is it that this is exaclty the solution you use?
hi, I guess he ment the ATI-All-in-Wonder that does not have right OSS drivers for capturing using MythTV. On http://www.rulerofearth.com/ you can get some working drivers for v4l2 and they work great with most Software TV apps under linux, but MythTV is an exception. But as allways, there is a solution: someone hack together the driver. From this page: Mythtv currently only supports capture cards that output planar YUV (as far as I know) and the bt82X chip can only output packed format YUV, so until someone patches Mythtv to support other formats...
I have such a "card" and would love to be able to use it (I have an WinTV).
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As I remember (having worked for the StarDivision before it was bought) StarOffice 5 was quiet a rewrite from 4, allowing it to run better on Linux, OS2 and MacOS.
Sorry, but the Wired article was "atrocious" in it self. Seemed like a copy and paste of the last 5 News about large Linux migration projects.
I have been using OpenOffice since it was StarWriter (for DOS) and have always found it better suited for my needs. Right now I am using the "forked" (ha, ha) version distributed by Novell with openSuSE 10.2 and am very happy.
I have done a lot of technical, private and business documentation (Text, Presentations, Spreadsheets, Vector Drawings) using every incarnation of this Suite and can't say it was bad. On the other hand, I have been forced to use MS Office(95 to 2000) at my new Workplace the last 3 years and am constantly frustrated by it.
My short complaint list:
Word documents looking different on 2 exactly the same PCs at work!
Excel choking at big files (20mb+)
Outlook not having a decent spell checker (inline)
Automatic formating in Word making my life so much more difficult (bullets being wrong and a lot more)
But on a conciliatory note, I don't much care if anyone likes OOo or not, I do, you don't. Who is harmed? Nobody, as I payed 0$ for my copy of OOo and you got Office for "free" with your PC.
Cheers
PS: for specific tasks I don't use OOo. Thats when I need a more powerful tool, like Inkscape, GIMP, Gnumeric, Blender (kicks ass!).
It used to be that if one an application crashed and it was called just that: it crashed. Today its a DOS attack! Imagine how many DOS my old Windows 3.11 had... come to think of it, it only had one DOS.
We present "DOS reloaded"!
Ha, ha, why don't you load it up to YouTube?
Oh boy am I funny today...
I did not know that... but I had forgotten to add Konqueror on KDE. So you are right, its probably a switch issue.
I bet there is a correlation between the switching rate from IE to Firefox. It having google as prime search engine makes up for a lot of searches.
Know basic math terms!! Better: Have a list that translates english math terms to your language. I had such a hard time, even after having read some good SAT books, with math terms in english! billion != billion (german - english) Learn Farenheit, Miles, Gallons etc. I found it hard to work these terms.
How about starting that donkey and downloading them? A copy is a copy, isn't it?
Why don't they share with us what format they got the first few "perfect" copies... Monkey Audio?
I have seen Win98 beening switched for Linux. As a matter of fact, it has been me who does it. As the support "specialist" in the family/friends I often get asked to fix a Win98/2000 PC. Two years ago I made a cut and stopped supporting Windows. Just as Microsoft did. Its not a "religious" kind of thing, its more about self protection. I noticed back then that fixing issues was not a matter of minutes as it used to be, but became a matter of hours, often requiering me to reinstall OS/drivers/documents etc.
For anyone of those friends/family who know that I was the right person for them to keep as "admin" I have moved to Linux (SuSE 10.0 and 10.1). No new hardware was necessary for any of them (lowest being 800 Mhz and 256 RAM). As someone posted before, new network cards required for DSL that most of my family uses nowerdays, is badly if at all supported in Win98, but works flawlessly on Linux.
My experience is that if you don't tell your family/friends that you will install Linux and not Windows they will take months untill they have realized it. Its not that they are dumb, but they don't care too much. If you tell them beforehand, though they will rebell for no apparent reason (human behaviour, I guess). Heres a small list of why I prefer Linux over Win98/Win2000 (XP out of the question of such old hardware):
1. ssh: love to be able to dial up to their PCs to do basic maintanence. I know there are Windows tools to do this, but the command line is so much more productive over a slow network.
2. root: Just the concept of the system being true multiuser from the start makes my task as admin so much easyer. Again, I know I could tick Win2000 to do this, but why bother if it is the right way in Linux from the start.
3. security: I don't care if security is there because of better coding or because there are less Linux installs out there. My 2 year experience mantaining Linux can be boiled down to this: NO VIRUS/ NO SPYWARE. Don't try to convince me that there are Windows "tools" that remove this stuff, I just don't have to, thats why I install Linux.
4. customizing: All, and I mean ALL who have gotten Linux installed by me love the flexibility to customize. You would not believe it, but most non-PC literates absolutely love to customize the colors, fonts, backgrounds etc of their PC. Linux (KDE) just rocks on these grounds. Ohh boy, I again know there are "freewares" out there that enable you to do similar tasks on Win98/2000 but they allmost allways fuck up your stability.
5. amarok: This is the killer application on Linux. Everyone I show this app want to switch!
Seems like slow linus day, ony 14 post so far!
Come on this is about Linux... Lets get it started (I did not use GNU/Linux, someone point it out!).
1. VC Money
2. ??
3. Profit
I for one greed our VC overlords!
Well did I get excited when I read the title! For you in the world, Bulli is also a very successful german Commedian (the slashdot croud should check his movie out "(T)Raumschiff Surprise - Periode 1", a StarTrec spoof).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Herbig
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Hi, those new "normal" people tend to also include ever more young people who are ever more IT competent. These are those who will tend to choose Firefox over IE for all known reasons. cheers
funny, I was thinking of writing the same comment, but repace Ubuntu with openSuSE... and smart update && smart upgrade.
:-(
Anyone know how to get the sound working in VMware and Windows 98 (don`t tell me google, as I tried it), the device found has no driver that fits... and the SoundBlaster 16 driver does not work
no Wine is no use, as these are learning CDroms my wife needs for medicine and they require a real Windows 98.
Thanks SlashSupport!
You can also add my Mother to your list. She got tired of using her rather old Windows 98 machine and asked for a new one. Knowing her PC habits I did not go for a Desktop but a refurbished laptop (nice price/performace ratio) and put opensuse 10.0 on it (soon 10.1). Since then she has been very happy. She complains about some emails not opening the attachments (mallware) and some powerpoint not working as expected (mallware). But flawless VoIP and the locked down system (she can't break anything) makes her a happy user. She lives in South America, I do in Europe... ssh this ssh that and she is up to date! happy customer
[irony]
shit, once again I am stuck! I tried to install it on my SuSE 10.1, but it does not work... this damn Windows Genuine Advantage. If Novel only had a SuSE Genuine Advantage.
[/irony]
Well, thats a bummer. I learned from these "problems". My mother is also on dialup (even on an other continent). Thats why I use ssh, and use dyndns.com to provide me with her IP.
As I "have" to do IT service for more than one person in my family, so I don't rely on any "default" way of doing things. oOO configurations are saved in the home directory, making a backup/restore very easy, even over dialup.
My advice is to set up your mothers box during your next visit to be able to do remote admin tasks. It saves you a lot of time.
I had hoped she had installed Ubuntu herself... ohh she did not?
Maybe I can't follow your argument, first she uses Linux, then she can't click on a Menu called Tools, then select Options?
Well why don`t you change it for her... I am sure she will not notice. I do this trick with my Mother all the time. (ssh into her box and do proactive changes that she does not notice)
Courtesy of my-trusting-google:
;-)
Tools > Options > Load/Save > General. Near the bottom of the dialog, select each Standard File Format and set Always save as to the relevant OpenOffice.org document.
Easy. Maybe shoud be called easyOffice
well, try installting a year 2000 distribution on the stated hardware... works pretty fast doesn't it?
Boot time again, try to compare hybernation not boottime. http://www.suspend2.net/ for Linux...
I mean: apples and oranges anyone?
Strange, I have been using OO Writer since it was StarWriter 5.0 for DOS and the outline numbering has worked for all legal documents I have made. I have also used it on a doctorate paper and countless technical documentations. I will grant you one thing, the dialog that allows you to use this feature shoud get a mayor rewrite. As you have singled out one feature you hate in OO I will do the same for Word 2000: File format! While this is not truly open (free and documented) its just a data grave where each version makes the next impossible to use... Switch to KWrite if you will, but if you need full feature support and openness stick to OO.org
Hi,
Maybe I dont understand exactly your requirements, but here is my "linux" solution: LAMP. I use for the same kind of projekt MySQL as Database (Access backend), phpMyAdmin and OpenOffice Base (Access frontend), SuSE Linux as server (MS Windows XYZ).
Or is it that this is exaclty the solution you use?
Cheers
Strange, I do the same on my PIII with 256 MB RAM PC and it does it quiet well. (I guess I just turned into a trollbyter?)
I have no more to say, LOVE this feature! You made 2005 a great year (1 day left!).
hi, I guess he ment the ATI-All-in-Wonder that does not have right OSS drivers for capturing using MythTV. On http://www.rulerofearth.com/ you can get some working drivers for v4l2 and they work great with most Software TV apps under linux, but MythTV is an exception. But as allways, there is a solution: someone hack together the driver. From this page: Mythtv currently only supports capture cards that output planar YUV (as far as I know) and the bt82X chip can only output packed format YUV, so until someone patches Mythtv to support other formats...
I have such a "card" and would love to be able to use it (I have an WinTV).
Cheers...