There's this great game, let me run down how it works.
I run make menuconfig.
I run makedep, make modules, make modules_install, make bzImage.
I copy the image into/boot
I boot.
I swear
Then repeat.
I do so untill my usb cd burner has support, along with everything else. It's great enjoyment for all, and I learn something new as a result. Here's where you can download the game kernel.org
Took a little digging, and a tapestry of profanities, but I got linux to run LOTR. First you need to dl stella from tucows (the source.) Then go into src, builds, and make linux-x
After that you need to go to atari age and got the the LORT page. At the end of the page, there are two links, one is for the stella profile page, dl that, unzip it (-with a -a) and mv it to ~/.stella.pro . Then dl the lotr profile, and cat lotr.pro >>.stella.pro move xstella out to the builds directory, into your home and then./xstella lotr.bin
I brought my computer home (from school over the break) and all it has on it is linux. Now my sister and father fear linux becuase you have to type a password to log on. They do not understand things like user accounts and don't want to learn (they already know windoze and want to stay with it.)
Then they blame me as being patronzing, when I try to dumb it down to the windoze level.
I think you seriously underrate the power of php in web applications. For UI in html there is nothing I've found that works better. Now you may say that perl can do the same thing, but the fact that you cannot integrate it within your current html code is a problem.
It's the old ease of use vs. useablity debate. If it was documented well (which it might be, I just didn't look at the right documents) then it's fine. Otherwise, you should include the extra dl.
When I was reading your post, I couldn't help but laugh, becuase I've had to develop a message board, and used (guess what) PHP with an odbc backend. (NT enviroment, and I needed it done in a week)
My mistake on the web stuff, I mis-read it to say active scripting pages, rather than active script. For the most part, porting perl just as easy as porting a webpage (just make sure you switch the slashes.) As for c++ (atleast the stuff that I've done) it shouldn't be too hard as long as you stay with the standard functions (but what's the fun in that?) Thanks for clearing me up on the web portion.
Debug them seperately first, then start hooking them together. I try to use files as my way to transfer data between programs mainly becuase I can simulate it running ahead of time, to help me debug.
Okay, yes, I learned c++ first, and don't know perl the best, but I tend to do stuff with files, so c++ fits me better. Any time I'm using a web interface it's php as the controling app (php is one of the best enviorments out there IMHO) and control from there. Mainly I do most of my logic in c++ becuase it's a better number cruncher, and then use perl for the regular expressions. But that's just me.
But, that's one of the best parts. You make each program/script self sufficent and then debug it seperately. Each one has it's on part of the ram and they don't intersect (unless you use windows 95/98 and do it on purpose: see loadlin.exe)
While it is true that using more languages requires more skill, but consider this. In the act of learning php, you get some exposure to java and c++ (not only syntax, but data structures and such.) So if then you go off and learn c++, doesn't it help you skills with php?
In my experince it has, and as a result, I have gone out and learned languages becuase I could, not becuase I've had to. I know php, c++, java, perl, some tcl, vb, c, basic and a bunch of scripting languages not to mention things like sql. Now won't someone who has to learn the same skills as me, be able to understand my code with more clarity? Otherwise using pcre in php would kill off anyone trying to learn what I was doing.
Oh, and a lot of programmers talk about java like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Personally, I don't think they apreciate toast enough.
let's suppose for a second, that you're a programmer, working on you own class. Now you know it inside and out, unlike anyone else. You need to add a function to it, you know how to do it so that everything works correctly. And then you're hit by the bus.
Sure other people will have the skills to read what you've done, but understanding why you did things will escape them; unless, you document your code. Which leads to the solution to this.
Good documentation is key; make sure to include your consulting fee for fixing the program or script and your email.
This sounds like, you need to develop some configuration files or such for you site (so you only have to change things in one place.) The point is to have one app do one task and return, not have the same task repeated 5 times.
You have some very vaild points, but to keep myself balanced, I must point out, as others have, porting to another enviorment sucks. However, in relation to you it doesn't matter becuase it's all web based.
Oh and it's not called causing problems for management, it's called job security.
Well, as you may have guessed, I do a lot of web programming along with regular programming. I feel you have a fairly vaild point, I mix languages the most when I'm doing webstuff. Who wants to implement xearth in php? But on the other hand, I've found moving this model to regular programming has helped me develop faster, and with less bugs.
So, to summerize for you, if I can, you use other languages as objects (or in your case libraries that have objects in them) and vb as the controling application. This is, in essence the same thing, as I do, but you have to wait for (or develop your own) libraries to use.
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There's this great game, let me run down how it works.
/boot
I run make menuconfig.
I run makedep, make modules, make modules_install, make bzImage.
I copy the image into
I boot.
I swear
Then repeat.
I do so untill my usb cd burner has support, along with everything else. It's great enjoyment for all, and I learn something new as a result. Here's where you can download the game kernel.org
Well it only took us thousands of years, but now we can turn lead into gold, LOL.
Took a little digging, and a tapestry of profanities, but I got linux to run LOTR. First you need to dl stella from tucows (the source.) Then go into src, builds, and make linux-x
.stella.pro move xstella out to the builds directory, into your home and then ./xstella lotr.bin
After that you need to go to atari age and got the the LORT page. At the end of the page, there are two links, one is for the stella profile page, dl that, unzip it (-with a -a) and mv it to ~/.stella.pro . Then dl the lotr profile, and cat lotr.pro >>
Hope that helps. (I abbrevated a lot)
I brought my computer home (from school over the break) and all it has on it is linux. Now my sister and father fear linux becuase you have to type a password to log on. They do not understand things like user accounts and don't want to learn (they already know windoze and want to stay with it.)
Then they blame me as being patronzing, when I try to dumb it down to the windoze level.
Can't a geek win?
The thing's made out of plastic. How to I staple or three hole punch the damn thing?
I think you seriously underrate the power of php in web applications. For UI in html there is nothing I've found that works better. Now you may say that perl can do the same thing, but the fact that you cannot integrate it within your current html code is a problem.
It's the old ease of use vs. useablity debate. If it was documented well (which it might be, I just didn't look at the right documents) then it's fine. Otherwise, you should include the extra dl.
A free O...
Oh yeah, linux is already free.
Nevermind.
It seems even with this release you still have to download netscape (so that it can process the xpi) to install java. Quite annoying.
When I was reading your post, I couldn't help but laugh, becuase I've had to develop a message board, and used (guess what) PHP with an odbc backend. (NT enviroment, and I needed it done in a week)
There are some reports of doing java with php.
Now it scares me beyond the lenghts of the imagination that microsoft and I came up with the same idea, but I will survive.
My mistake on the web stuff, I mis-read it to say active scripting pages, rather than active script. For the most part, porting perl just as easy as porting a webpage (just make sure you switch the slashes.) As for c++ (atleast the stuff that I've done) it shouldn't be too hard as long as you stay with the standard functions (but what's the fun in that?) Thanks for clearing me up on the web portion.
Debug them seperately first, then start hooking them together. I try to use files as my way to transfer data between programs mainly becuase I can simulate it running ahead of time, to help me debug.
Debugging tends to be easy.
Using files as a way to save data between diffrent portions, I can put in what I want and check that each portion gives me what I want.
It's only if you try it all at once (with out checking each part first) that you have problems.
Use c++ to compile dlls for vb.
Okay, yes, I learned c++ first, and don't know perl the best, but I tend to do stuff with files, so c++ fits me better. Any time I'm using a web interface it's php as the controling app (php is one of the best enviorments out there IMHO) and control from there. Mainly I do most of my logic in c++ becuase it's a better number cruncher, and then use perl for the regular expressions. But that's just me.
But, that's one of the best parts. You make each program/script self sufficent and then debug it seperately. Each one has it's on part of the ram and they don't intersect (unless you use windows 95/98 and do it on purpose: see loadlin.exe)
While it is true that using more languages requires more skill, but consider this. In the act of learning php, you get some exposure to java and c++ (not only syntax, but data structures and such.) So if then you go off and learn c++, doesn't it help you skills with php?
In my experince it has, and as a result, I have gone out and learned languages becuase I could, not becuase I've had to. I know php, c++, java, perl, some tcl, vb, c, basic and a bunch of scripting languages not to mention things like sql. Now won't someone who has to learn the same skills as me, be able to understand my code with more clarity? Otherwise using pcre in php would kill off anyone trying to learn what I was doing.
Oh, and a lot of programmers talk about java like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Personally, I don't think they apreciate toast enough.
Your arguement goes both ways
let's suppose for a second, that you're a programmer, working on you own class. Now you know it inside and out, unlike anyone else. You need to add a function to it, you know how to do it so that everything works correctly. And then you're hit by the bus.
Sure other people will have the skills to read what you've done, but understanding why you did things will escape them; unless, you document your code. Which leads to the solution to this.
Good documentation is key; make sure to include your consulting fee for fixing the program or script and your email.
This sounds like, you need to develop some configuration files or such for you site (so you only have to change things in one place.) The point is to have one app do one task and return, not have the same task repeated 5 times.
Oh and avoid clichés like the plague.
You have some very vaild points, but to keep myself balanced, I must point out, as others have, porting to another enviorment sucks. However, in relation to you it doesn't matter becuase it's all web based.
Oh and it's not called causing problems for management, it's called job security.
Well, as you may have guessed, I do a lot of web programming along with regular programming. I feel you have a fairly vaild point, I mix languages the most when I'm doing webstuff. Who wants to implement xearth in php? But on the other hand, I've found moving this model to regular programming has helped me develop faster, and with less bugs.
So, to summerize for you, if I can, you use other languages as objects (or in your case libraries that have objects in them) and vb as the controling application. This is, in essence the same thing, as I do, but you have to wait for (or develop your own) libraries to use.
There is truth in your point.
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