I may be young and idealistic, but isn't that kind of the point of being a student? Rather than a chore, I enjoy writting code, I do it for fun, which is a change from some of us, who are just in cs to make money.
At the colleges I've attended this is just the reverse. They want you to buy code warrior, visual basic, or visual c++ becuase they want stuff that the students can relate to.
However, I feel when you limit yourself to one platform, you miss out on the important parts of others, such as with unix, using small teams of applications together to solve a problem.
I got away from windows, becuase I got tired of typing a paper or something, and having the system go down.
I'm sorry bud, but have you heard of the enter key?
There is also a major point that you missed: with open source, if you see a bug, and have a patch, you can submit it, thus getting bugs fixed, where as with M$ they would like to pretend the bug doesn't exist.
I got tired of M$ about a year ago, well truthfully before that, but we'll call it a year.
The thing that kept me using it for as long as I did, was the support for my sound, the cs4281, which was finally handled last year in a kernel update. Quite frankly, I love the switch. All our lower division programming projects are done in java here at OSU, so linux works just as well as windows. If they tell me I have to have codewarrior, I use gvim, it's as simple as that.
There was one more thing that kept me on windows for so long, the game engine, Half-Life. I used transgamming's winex to get it to work on RH 7.2, and it runs better than in winbloze.
I look at it this way, when I get a job doing real programming, I'm going to be using Unix/Solaris. In fact, both my intern jobs, where I did things with computers, went to Linux/Solaris. The fact that I had as much experince, with not only windows, linux, but also Macintosh made my work that much better.
My Macintosh experince has shown me that user design can make or break a product.
My Windows experince has shown ease of use of databases through odbc, and the importance of flat files.
My Unix/Linux/Solaris experince has shown me the power of using small programs to take on a big problem, thus making each part work together to complete a common goal.
I think all three are needed by any cs student, but as long as schools continue to cater to M$ products, such as requiring you use code warrior, or visual c++, I think they will stiffle what most cs students really need.
You raise some great points, but also, let's remind ourselves, for the poor college student; if you don't pay it still will be free, there'll just be advertisements.
Doesn't self shreading e-mails lack the feeling of a real shreader? I mean the whir of the motor, the sound of paper being cut; besides, how is one supposed to put a gremlin into it when they attack? (see the movie Gremlin's 2)
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Actually I did switch from windows to linux, and use wine to run counter-strike. I get the same fps, and same useablity, but unlike windows, I don't get the crashes. I will admit, that wine has a long ways to go, but atleast they are on the right track.
Did you notice, upgrading from 2.4.16 it got so much more stable? I did. I was using all my ram and would get a crash through wine or something. 2.4.17 solved all my problems.
Here in Oregon, we have the Bull run water shed. I've been up to see it as I worked for the City of Portland at one time. The water was so clear you could see the bottom center of the lake, fish and all. Our tubidity (the amount of leaves and crap that you don't want to drink) was less than that of cities using filter systems. Personally I would not like to add anything to my water as it is some of the best in the world.
Here at OSU, we the students are on the Residental Computing Network. Now this last year, even though enrolement was up, the university cut the amount of bandwidth for students. We are capped at 8 megs from 8 am-6 pm and 10 the rest of the time and on weekends.
So what did rcn do, to assure people would be able to use the net? They put in packet shaping software that basically kills all file sharing programs. Never mind the fact that I get a 2000 ping in Counter-Strike, and I can't ssh anywhere. Atleast someone, somewhere can browse the web and download their p0rn at full speed.
Yeah, I was just saying it's nice to have a powerful program. My first time using it, I took down our network. It was a learning experince to say the least.
I read this comment, just as I was going to bed, and couldn't sleep knowing this stood without the counter-balance.
It's obvious that you have set up your share of computers and know what you are doing, but is XP marketed towards you, or towards the regular consumer? You talk about proper set up, but how many boxes did you have to set up to learn how to do it correctly?
As for microsoft's commitment to security, I personally feel that they do as little as possible, to save money. Look at that ie bug that lasted for 2 years. What makes better business sense, constantly giving out updates to fix holes as they appear, or to cover them up and say they don't exist, or if they do exist, what's the user going to do about them. Microsoft already has your money, the deal is done. Why should they care what happens to their users? Remember, MS is in it for the money, nothing more.
The reality is, most people don't know enough to run linux, rebuild their kernel and such; so they are stuck with windows and Microsoft. I know, the Mac is out there, but let's not go there tonight.
BTW, have you ever experince a bsod on NT (not 2k, or XP?) Remember, 2k and XP are both based on Windows NT, so if you want to see what happens, why not look at their base?
You do make some very good points about the user. However, let me ask, who is XP marketed to? Is it the high end user who tweaks their machine to the point that they know where every cpu cycle goes; or is it marketed to the first time user, (with a slogan like "Now you can" I bet you can figure this one out.)
XP in the right hands may be okay, but how do you know what hands are the right ones? For regular users, 98 is definitely the way to go.
You're looking at this, or part of it, the wrong way.
Does microsoft have to develop drivers for your sound card, or does the company have to develop drivers for microsoft? And if it is the company developing them, why don't they release linux drivers. Putting everything on the distros is unfair, as a clean install of win98 or 2k will still use that companies drivers, rather than ones MS developed in house.
First, and foremost, NT stands for new technology (or newer depending on the source) but newer than what? The old windows kernel? Linux would have to name every version nt, if they followed the microsoft standarded, so let's get this out of the way. Quite frankly I'm tired of people talking about nt like it's the second comming, it isn't. It stopped being new more than a few years ago.
I've had machines where 2k runs fine, but most of those are people who work at maintaining their computer all the time. For the regular user it isn't smart (especially ntfs, we had one luser removed everyone's rights [including hers] to read and write to the hd, and it took a lot of work to fix it.) Also when the system goes bad, I've found that the only way to fix it is to wipe the system and reinstall, unlike 98 which you can get into dos and copy new dlls to fix the corupt ones.
Quite frankly, there is no reason anyone should use anything more than 98 if you choose to use Micro$oft, IMHO, becuase the new versions don't give you anything more. Although the nt kernel has protected memory making a crash of the whole system less likely, I'm willing to bet that you've had more than your share of killed tasks and such.
Even if XP makes your system more stable, do you want to be running an operating system with such brazen security holes?
You know what happens when you use a video recorder on a tv, their syncs don't match. I'm wondering would the same thing happen with these eyes, as it would make it hard to use any video monitor.
I've been using an optical mouse for about a year, and this looks like a great idea. However, I have been thinking about going to a trackball, as it should work better with counterstrike which I run in linux (trackballs play better from what I understand.) I'm wondering how I put a fan in a trackball.
When I saw that the new mplayer supported quicktime, I sprang into action, downloading and building the new version. I then find out it won't play the one movie I want, american jedi All I get is a black box. Oh well, I'll be waiting for the release that has real quicktime support.
Anyways, the movie is worth a look, even if you have to boot into windows.
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This is an interesting point.
I may be young and idealistic, but isn't that kind of the point of being a student?
Rather than a chore, I enjoy writting code, I do it for fun, which is a change from some of us, who are just in cs to make money.
Your right, at OSU, the only 24/7 lab has only mac and pc. But we have access, via ssh, to a unix server, thus giving us access to all platforms.
I know it's not as perty as KDE, but a good command line can be faster than a double click.
At the colleges I've attended this is just the reverse. They want you to buy code warrior, visual basic, or visual c++ becuase they want stuff that the students can relate to.
However, I feel when you limit yourself to one platform, you miss out on the important parts of others, such as with unix, using small teams of applications together to solve a problem.
I got away from windows, becuase I got tired of typing a paper or something, and having the system go down.
I'm sorry bud, but have you heard of the enter key?
There is also a major point that you missed: with open source, if you see a bug, and have a patch, you can submit it, thus getting bugs fixed, where as with M$ they would like to pretend the bug doesn't exist.
Which is a better model for learning?
I got tired of M$ about a year ago, well truthfully before that, but we'll call it a year.
The thing that kept me using it for as long as I did, was the support for my sound, the cs4281, which was finally handled last year in a kernel update. Quite frankly, I love the switch. All our lower division programming projects are done in java here at OSU, so linux works just as well as windows. If they tell me I have to have codewarrior, I use gvim, it's as simple as that.
There was one more thing that kept me on windows for so long, the game engine, Half-Life. I used transgamming's winex to get it to work on RH 7.2, and it runs better than in winbloze.
I look at it this way, when I get a job doing real programming, I'm going to be using Unix/Solaris. In fact, both my intern jobs, where I did things with computers, went to Linux/Solaris. The fact that I had as much experince, with not only windows, linux, but also Macintosh made my work that much better.
My Macintosh experince has shown me that user design can make or break a product.
My Windows experince has shown ease of use of databases through odbc, and the importance of flat files.
My Unix/Linux/Solaris experince has shown me the power of using small programs to take on a big problem, thus making each part work together to complete a common goal.
I think all three are needed by any cs student, but as long as schools continue to cater to M$ products, such as requiring you use code warrior, or visual c++, I think they will stiffle what most cs students really need.
You raise some great points, but also, let's remind ourselves, for the poor college student; if you don't pay it still will be free, there'll just be advertisements.
If you don't like your job, you don't strike. You go in every day and do it really half assed.
Doesn't self shreading e-mails lack the feeling of a real shreader? I mean the whir of the motor, the sound of paper being cut; besides, how is one supposed to put a gremlin into it when they attack? (see the movie Gremlin's 2)
Actually I did switch from windows to linux, and use wine to run counter-strike. I get the same fps, and same useablity, but unlike windows, I don't get the crashes. I will admit, that wine has a long ways to go, but atleast they are on the right track.
Just my 2 cents.
Greatest invention since beer?
I mean I like beer as much as the next guy, but still.
That should have been the first clue.
Did you notice, upgrading from 2.4.16 it got so much more stable? I did. I was using all my ram and would get a crash through wine or something. 2.4.17 solved all my problems.
Here in Oregon, we have the Bull run water shed. I've been up to see it as I worked for the City of Portland at one time. The water was so clear you could see the bottom center of the lake, fish and all. Our tubidity (the amount of leaves and crap that you don't want to drink) was less than that of cities using filter systems. Personally I would not like to add anything to my water as it is some of the best in the world.
LOL thanks brent. I didn't know you were on her. Anyways, yes I do agree with you, what they have done here at osu is completely wrong.
Here at OSU, we the students are on the Residental Computing Network. Now this last year, even though enrolement was up, the university cut the amount of bandwidth for students. We are capped at 8 megs from 8 am-6 pm and 10 the rest of the time and on weekends.
So what did rcn do, to assure people would be able to use the net? They put in packet shaping software that basically kills all file sharing programs. Never mind the fact that I get a 2000 ping in Counter-Strike, and I can't ssh anywhere. Atleast someone, somewhere can browse the web and download their p0rn at full speed.
Yeah, I was just saying it's nice to have a powerful program. My first time using it, I took down our network. It was a learning experince to say the least.
Good old samba.
Take down a network without even trying.
Gotta love that power.
How will microsoft ever top the famous ding of the gameboy starting up? I mean, I've heard it so many times, it's music to my ears.
Ding... Ahh.. I've had my fix for the day.
I guess the game was wrong. Okay, time for a re-write of what happens.
I read this comment, just as I was going to bed, and couldn't sleep knowing this stood without the counter-balance.
It's obvious that you have set up your share of computers and know what you are doing, but is XP marketed towards you, or towards the regular consumer? You talk about proper set up, but how many boxes did you have to set up to learn how to do it correctly?
As for microsoft's commitment to security, I personally feel that they do as little as possible, to save money. Look at that ie bug that lasted for 2 years. What makes better business sense, constantly giving out updates to fix holes as they appear, or to cover them up and say they don't exist, or if they do exist, what's the user going to do about them. Microsoft already has your money, the deal is done. Why should they care what happens to their users? Remember, MS is in it for the money, nothing more.
The reality is, most people don't know enough to run linux, rebuild their kernel and such; so they are stuck with windows and Microsoft. I know, the Mac is out there, but let's not go there tonight.
BTW, have you ever experince a bsod on NT (not 2k, or XP?) Remember, 2k and XP are both based on Windows NT, so if you want to see what happens, why not look at their base?
You do make some very good points about the user. However, let me ask, who is XP marketed to? Is it the high end user who tweaks their machine to the point that they know where every cpu cycle goes; or is it marketed to the first time user, (with a slogan like "Now you can" I bet you can figure this one out.)
XP in the right hands may be okay, but how do you know what hands are the right ones? For regular users, 98 is definitely the way to go.
You're looking at this, or part of it, the wrong way.
Does microsoft have to develop drivers for your sound card, or does the company have to develop drivers for microsoft? And if it is the company developing them, why don't they release linux drivers. Putting everything on the distros is unfair, as a clean install of win98 or 2k will still use that companies drivers, rather than ones MS developed in house.
Okay, let's give the NT kernel it's due.
First, and foremost, NT stands for new technology (or newer depending on the source) but newer than what? The old windows kernel? Linux would have to name every version nt, if they followed the microsoft standarded, so let's get this out of the way. Quite frankly I'm tired of people talking about nt like it's the second comming, it isn't. It stopped being new more than a few years ago.
I've had machines where 2k runs fine, but most of those are people who work at maintaining their computer all the time. For the regular user it isn't smart (especially ntfs, we had one luser removed everyone's rights [including hers] to read and write to the hd, and it took a lot of work to fix it.) Also when the system goes bad, I've found that the only way to fix it is to wipe the system and reinstall, unlike 98 which you can get into dos and copy new dlls to fix the corupt ones.
Quite frankly, there is no reason anyone should use anything more than 98 if you choose to use Micro$oft, IMHO, becuase the new versions don't give you anything more. Although the nt kernel has protected memory making a crash of the whole system less likely, I'm willing to bet that you've had more than your share of killed tasks and such.
Even if XP makes your system more stable, do you want to be running an operating system with such brazen security holes?
You know what happens when you use a video recorder on a tv, their syncs don't match. I'm wondering would the same thing happen with these eyes, as it would make it hard to use any video monitor.
I've been using an optical mouse for about a year, and this looks like a great idea. However, I have been thinking about going to a trackball, as it should work better with counterstrike which I run in linux (trackballs play better from what I understand.) I'm wondering how I put a fan in a trackball.
When I saw that the new mplayer supported quicktime, I sprang into action, downloading and building the new version. I then find out it won't play the one movie I want, american jedi All I get is a black box. Oh well, I'll be waiting for the release that has real quicktime support.
Anyways, the movie is worth a look, even if you have to boot into windows.