Leaving aside the utterly disproven notion of AGW, this proposal has some merit and I'd like to see it proceed.
Several purposes would be served with a project like this:
- The infrastructure necessary to build and sustain these bases would be useful path-finding for outer space exploration;
- The technological innovations this type of project would generate could prove impressively useful for other, more concrete purposes;
- The Warmites would at least feel like they're doing something rather than just whining, so perhaps they'd actually leave people alone to go about their lives in peace
The plan is a good one if only for the first two points. I propose it become the UN's sole responsibility, with funding coming from dues already being paid by member nations and a direct tithe from various green energy organizations.
No big surprise...I highly doubt this WAS a "break-in". I think it was one of the folks on staff who just couldn't stomach the lies and deception any more.
As a fellow aerospace engineer and scientist, I'm astonished at what seems to pass for "trained" these days. I've looked at some of the climate simulation models; they wouldn't pass for a first year class project!
That's a cute meme of false positions you've got there..I think I saw it over on the Warmite Talking Points Page.
The fact is quite simply that the theory of AGW is unproven. There seems to be some warming going on, true, but it's consistent with previous periods when the planet was coming out of an Ice Age. Historically the planet is cooler than it's been for large chunks of its timeline. The warming tracked in the last 40 years or so is more likely traced to natural causes and our cleaning up of the atmosphere (not as much haze/brown clouds/etc.), which lets a bit more light through.
AGW is intriguing and has a lot to admire--and it's fundamentally nearly impossible to prove. Drawing graphs that show temperature increases mapped against mankind CO2 output is nice exercise but that's an attempt at correlation, not causation. One could just as easily draw a graph that maps increases in temperatures against MPG increases in cars to the same result. And it's absolutely immaterial that there's any kind of "consensus" of any number of people--facts ARE or ARE NOT, belief in them has no bearing on the subject. There used to be widespread European consensus that the world was flat--that didn't make it so.
Maybe we should gather data before we start ripping apart our economy over an unproven theory.
....that this started in the '70s. That's about the time that partisans on the left (and then eventually more mainstream Democrats) began politicizing science to support their agenda.
Now it's a tough situation. If you're labeled the equivalent of a Holocaust Denier just for questioning the validity of a theory or a model, when there are folks screaming that skeptics should be denied jobs and/or the opportunity to air their questions, when the contrary evidence or theories are ignored--it's difficult to reach any kind of accommodation or agreement after that.
Employers just don't have reasonable right to ask for this kind of thing...if they want to know what I post they can just look at my Wall, they don't need the password.
Just in time to try to "justify" higher gas prices we get this "finding".
I can see the press conference now: "Sorry, we'd like to reduce prices but the impact on global warming of cars is just too severe. Let's everybody buy a Chevy Volt instead!"
Color me skeptical.
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Leaving aside the utterly disproven notion of AGW, this proposal has some merit and I'd like to see it proceed.
Several purposes would be served with a project like this:
- The infrastructure necessary to build and sustain these bases would be useful path-finding for outer space exploration;
- The technological innovations this type of project would generate could prove impressively useful for other, more concrete purposes;
- The Warmites would at least feel like they're doing something rather than just whining, so perhaps they'd actually leave people alone to go about their lives in peace
The plan is a good one if only for the first two points. I propose it become the UN's sole responsibility, with funding coming from dues already being paid by member nations and a direct tithe from various green energy organizations.
No big surprise...I highly doubt this WAS a "break-in". I think it was one of the folks on staff who just couldn't stomach the lies and deception any more.
Ferret
Well said sir!
Ferret
Remember them? We have them all over the Colorado Springs/Denver area, and other places throughout the Southwest.
They're *awesome*.
Ferret
...with 15" thick walls at 8000 feet.....
;)
So I don't feel the heat much, fortunately.
Ferret
I was stuck in Florida (Orlando) for 8 long months.
Nothing wrong with Florida that a few feet of global warming won't fix.....
Ferretman
....that's clever.
Ferret
We certainly HAVE pumped a lot of groundwater out and I presume most of it ends up in the atmosphere or the oceans one way or the other.
Glad to see REAL scientists questioning AGW tenets.
Ferret
WELL SAID SIR!
As a fellow aerospace engineer and scientist, I'm astonished at what seems to pass for "trained" these days. I've looked at some of the climate simulation models; they wouldn't pass for a first year class project!
Excellent summation, good comments.
Ferret
Let's hope this gets rolled out soon.
Ferret
Wow..some actual honesty for once!
Ferret
Well said sir!
Ferret
I'd like to see some of this proof you speak of, artor3.
I'm a scientist, and all I've found in years of research is an increasingly desperate attempt to confuse correlation with causation.
Show. Me. Proof. Of. Your. Theory.
Ferret
That's a cute meme of false positions you've got there..I think I saw it over on the Warmite Talking Points Page.
The fact is quite simply that the theory of AGW is unproven. There seems to be some warming going on, true, but it's consistent with previous periods when the planet was coming out of an Ice Age. Historically the planet is cooler than it's been for large chunks of its timeline. The warming tracked in the last 40 years or so is more likely traced to natural causes and our cleaning up of the atmosphere (not as much haze/brown clouds/etc.), which lets a bit more light through.
AGW is intriguing and has a lot to admire--and it's fundamentally nearly impossible to prove. Drawing graphs that show temperature increases mapped against mankind CO2 output is nice exercise but that's an attempt at correlation, not causation. One could just as easily draw a graph that maps increases in temperatures against MPG increases in cars to the same result. And it's absolutely immaterial that there's any kind of "consensus" of any number of people--facts ARE or ARE NOT, belief in them has no bearing on the subject. There used to be widespread European consensus that the world was flat--that didn't make it so.
Maybe we should gather data before we start ripping apart our economy over an unproven theory.
If you make roads light you'll get greater glare.....you'll have a higher degree of accidents due to blindness/squinting/etc.
Ferret
Well, that's a kick in the head for the AGW crowd...
Ferret
...has TSA ever admitted they've done a search wrong, or conducted one that wasn't called for?
Ferretman
...if only to help push space engineering development.
Our future's out there; it's past time we went and got it.
Ferret
.....bacon.
Ferret
Well said, sir!
....I'd re-title this "Winning the Debate on Global Warming".
Given that the evidence for this theory is tenuous at best and all.
Ferret
....that this started in the '70s. That's about the time that partisans on the left (and then eventually more mainstream Democrats) began politicizing science to support their agenda.
Now it's a tough situation. If you're labeled the equivalent of a Holocaust Denier just for questioning the validity of a theory or a model, when there are folks screaming that skeptics should be denied jobs and/or the opportunity to air their questions, when the contrary evidence or theories are ignored--it's difficult to reach any kind of accommodation or agreement after that.
Ferretman
Employers just don't have reasonable right to ask for this kind of thing...if they want to know what I post they can just look at my Wall, they don't need the password.
Ferret
Very insightful sir...good to hear from somebody who was actually *there*.
Ferretman
Just in time to try to "justify" higher gas prices we get this "finding". I can see the press conference now: "Sorry, we'd like to reduce prices but the impact on global warming of cars is just too severe. Let's everybody buy a Chevy Volt instead!" Color me skeptical.