AS SOON AS IT IS A FEW YEARS AWAY FROM MAKING REAL MONEY.
True, but Budweiser and Miller Lite love em all the same.
Only a marketroid would think a bit o' jargon and some buzzwords ("branding" "targeted demographic" "viral marketing" "word of mouth campaign launches" "buzz") will make people forget the whole overhyped 'net bubble of the late 90s.
You would think so, but people never learn from their mistakes.
To believe News Corp is going to get anything near $2b in ACTUAL REVENUES from this is another sad demonstration of insufficient cynicism, methinks.
I couldn't agree more. Yet it is nearly impossible to measure the worth of affecting brand loyalty to a demographic that is about to start raking in some cash.
If a plumber fixes your toilet, do you pay him for every flush? If you learn from him and go fix toilets, do you pay for his knowledge every time?
There is a flaw with this. The plumber has a marketable skill that he exercises in a "free" society. The environment is natural and exists in its own state. Any skills that the plumber employs in this environment are because he has them. If someone else learns this skill, they are free to employ it themselves as they see fit in the "free" environment. The idea that you would have to pay a plumber to do something associated with the skill he charges for is ridiculous. No you don't pay every time you flsh a toilet, because the plumber doesn't get paid by flushing toilets. He gets paid by facilitating the ability to flush toilets. Not the same thing.
Now to WoW. Not one skill or technique that can be employed in the game has any origin other than from the work that Blizzard did. Nothing. All actions, transactions, experiences, and visuals reside in a completely fictional place that was created and facilitated by Blizzard. Every piece of Knowledge transfer in the guide is dependant on the work of Blizzard. The information this man is selling can only be employed inside of Blizzards work.
I'll buy your argument if you can show me something in the guide that I can do independently of the WoW environment.
The thing that they have that other overhyped sites don't is a consistent demographic. When the users outgrow this service, they are replaced by new ones in the target, and highly coveted, demographic.
I think it's a combination of the demographic and the possible marketing services that is causing them to inflate their asking price. The business model is pretty clear, captured demographics to market too and demographic information for sale. It would be a pretty stupid move to advertise this on the user facing site.
Im gonna get modded down because I said the same thing higher on the list later in the conversaton.
That having been said, it may not be a total FUD scenario. Taking it one step further and actually suing someone may put one competitor out of business, and force the rest of the competition to keep "wartime" funds in the coffer as a standard practice. If they pace it right, they could possibly remove a few competitors by hitting the biggest one every few years and effectively slow the whole feild down simultaneously.
You forgot the part where the parent comes back and gets angry for the content being made available to his children and sues in the Court of Universal law. The suit is found to be frivilous on the grounds that the parent shouldn't have let his kids play with the damn toys in the first place.
And since the defendant is also the plaintiff he should have known better.
The best tactic available to Microsoft right now isn't in talking up the new features of an OS that is not going to be released any time soon, it is in putting the shadow of a possible lawsuit against a player in the Linux space. That way these same players may decide to hold on to their cash to defend against possible lawsuit instead of spending it on Marketing, Education, and Manpower.
Microsoft has to slow down the Linux competition now that their OS is delayed, it's just damage control. By forcing their competition to hold back funds for "just in case" MS is ensuring those funds aren't spent in the areas that will give Linux the greatest returns in marketshare during this down time.
Lawyers are way more expensive than marketing, theoretically this move could cut into next year's budge as well for some of these companies.
Also, try not using the term "zealot" if you are not sure about what you are talking. Freedom matters, you can be sure that it is only a matter of time until you understand why, and using that term put you at a bad light from all the people that already understand.
Yeah, sorry about that - I kinda jumped the gun there.
Thanks for the explanation on why maintaining a one off change would become a nightmare - that's an aspect I never thought of. Let me ask you another question though, do one off internal systems exist or is that just a really bad and dumb idea?
I guess a second to that is, can you just get some funding and skilled players together and start your own distro? Is there a reference I can look at that will inform me on the culture and market aspects of Linux as well as the technical aspects? I don't mind doing my own research, but I am aware that I don't know what I don't know - a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
I guess my question is, and it is based on some honest ignorance about how the Linux community works, COULD a well skilled team do it? Could they do it with some community support in conjunction with their own internal staff? Could they be using the community support as a method of finding new talent? Is this even how the community functions?
I do not know. I can garner some idea of how it works from the outside, but statements like the post I originally responded to confuse the hell out of me. I lack the hardcore programming skills to jump into Linux development, so I can't really form a very accurate first hand opinion. From what I read on/., Linux can be made to do whatever you want whenever you want by anyone who wants to (with the required skill).
I can see how the term zealot was probably not applicable here, but the statement was aimed at the "Only Linux will do" crowd in relation to the post I was replying to.
I do customer facing web development most of the time. I usually develop in a Windows environment. I'm not a super evangilist for Windows, but it does what I need it to do.
My Linux vs. Windows server experience is limited to.htaccess and case sensitive URL issues most of the time - so I was being genuinely sincere when I stated my not understanding.
That having been said, if all the questions I posed are answered with a "No" , then I think the Fedora 2 might not be a very good buisiness decision. If even one was a yes, and I'm trying to understand the depth of the issue here, wouldn't the distro's original intent be somewhat moot?
Just trying to learn more about how Linux does its thing under the hood.
This is what I don't get about Linux zealots. As I understand it, Linux distros are open source so you can change things under the hood if you want. If GoDaddy has a team of well skilled Linux programmers and admins on staff, shouldn't they be able to change the code to a form that will suit their needs?
And if that is true, what does it matter if the release is no longer supported and was originally intended as a testing system? I thought the whole point of Linux was to be able to change it to suit your needs and support it yourself if you had the skills.
I cannot tell you how bad I hate sites like this. Some marketing snob with a background in print advertising has no business writing a design requirements document for a prospective web design firm.
I have told more companies "I am not going to work with you until you cut that guy out of the loop" more times than I care to remember. Most of the time it results in a giant ego bruising uphill assault while I explain the difference between a magazine and a website that finally ends when I say "Well, I can build you what you want for your money, or I can build you what works for your money."
You bring up an interesting point. When I build a B2C website, I am always aware of design that will be hindered by a lack of Broadband. Building a site using proper CSS and correctly optimized images has always done me right in these situations.
But, when building a B2B site, I can almost always depend on broadband, especially if the customer is a tech company selling product to large businesses. Quite often in these cases I have to add "Bells and Whistles" to garner the attention of C-Level and Business Process owners - while focusing on content for the implementers and promising ease of use for end users.
I don't play online poker because I can't bluff people out, or read theirs. That makes it gambling, but in a casino or at a hall - it is recognized as a skill.
I have plenty of clients that do that. I usually ask them if they could at least provide me with the topics they would like to cover. Then I take the topic list and start looking for freelance writers on eLance. They can usually whip out a decent amount of copy for $100 - $200 dollars. I then add 20% - 40% markup and bill the client.
If you are too lazy or too ignorant to understand why you need to give your developer the copy, you end up paying someone else to do it.
I bartended all throughout college and on and off for a little while after while I built up my resume. You wouldn't believe how many Irish and German patrons I had that couldn't get enough of the stuff. It was amazing.
You got to remember, our Imports are their domestic and vice versa.
Slashdot Mirror
Asserting yourself as an individual human being and not just a plaything of your parents.
Like that time Jesus had sex with a prostitute. Dude, his dad was pissed as hell.
Finally, they actually drank poisoned Flavorade.
Which is like the Apple of Kool-Aid.
AS SOON AS IT IS A FEW YEARS AWAY FROM MAKING REAL MONEY.
True, but Budweiser and Miller Lite love em all the same.
Only a marketroid would think a bit o' jargon and some buzzwords ("branding" "targeted demographic" "viral marketing" "word of mouth campaign launches" "buzz") will make people forget the whole overhyped 'net bubble of the late 90s.
You would think so, but people never learn from their mistakes.
To believe News Corp is going to get anything near $2b in ACTUAL REVENUES from this is another sad demonstration of insufficient cynicism, methinks.
I couldn't agree more. Yet it is nearly impossible to measure the worth of affecting brand loyalty to a demographic that is about to start raking in some cash.
If a plumber fixes your toilet, do you pay him for every flush? If you learn from him and go fix toilets, do you pay for his knowledge every time?
There is a flaw with this. The plumber has a marketable skill that he exercises in a "free" society. The environment is natural and exists in its own state. Any skills that the plumber employs in this environment are because he has them. If someone else learns this skill, they are free to employ it themselves as they see fit in the "free" environment. The idea that you would have to pay a plumber to do something associated with the skill he charges for is ridiculous. No you don't pay every time you flsh a toilet, because the plumber doesn't get paid by flushing toilets. He gets paid by facilitating the ability to flush toilets. Not the same thing.
Now to WoW. Not one skill or technique that can be employed in the game has any origin other than from the work that Blizzard did. Nothing. All actions, transactions, experiences, and visuals reside in a completely fictional place that was created and facilitated by Blizzard. Every piece of Knowledge transfer in the guide is dependant on the work of Blizzard. The information this man is selling can only be employed inside of Blizzards work.
I'll buy your argument if you can show me something in the guide that I can do independently of the WoW environment.
The thing that they have that other overhyped sites don't is a consistent demographic. When the users outgrow this service, they are replaced by new ones in the target, and highly coveted, demographic.
I think it's a combination of the demographic and the possible marketing services that is causing them to inflate their asking price. The business model is pretty clear, captured demographics to market too and demographic information for sale. It would be a pretty stupid move to advertise this on the user facing site.
When there is no one in the marketspace it takes nothing. When there is someone to dethrone you have to cough up the cash.
That's "Super Facebook, now with more Xtremeness and Nacho Ranch Emo Mashups".
That and a commercial on Adult Swim should do the trick.
Im gonna get modded down because I said the same thing higher on the list later in the conversaton.
That having been said, it may not be a total FUD scenario. Taking it one step further and actually suing someone may put one competitor out of business, and force the rest of the competition to keep "wartime" funds in the coffer as a standard practice. If they pace it right, they could possibly remove a few competitors by hitting the biggest one every few years and effectively slow the whole feild down simultaneously.
You forgot the part where the parent comes back and gets angry for the content being made available to his children and sues in the Court of Universal law. The suit is found to be frivilous on the grounds that the parent shouldn't have let his kids play with the damn toys in the first place.
And since the defendant is also the plaintiff he should have known better.
The best tactic available to Microsoft right now isn't in talking up the new features of an OS that is not going to be released any time soon, it is in putting the shadow of a possible lawsuit against a player in the Linux space. That way these same players may decide to hold on to their cash to defend against possible lawsuit instead of spending it on Marketing, Education, and Manpower.
Microsoft has to slow down the Linux competition now that their OS is delayed, it's just damage control. By forcing their competition to hold back funds for "just in case" MS is ensuring those funds aren't spent in the areas that will give Linux the greatest returns in marketshare during this down time.
Lawyers are way more expensive than marketing, theoretically this move could cut into next year's budge as well for some of these companies.
Yeah, there's nothing like having no layers or groupable objects to work with to prove you are a hard core digital artist.
A Skull?
??.
This is what I was refering too
Also, try not using the term "zealot" if you are not sure about what you are talking. Freedom matters, you can be sure that it is only a matter of time until you understand why, and using that term put you at a bad light from all the people that already understand.
Yeah, sorry about that - I kinda jumped the gun there.
Thanks for the explanation on why maintaining a one off change would become a nightmare - that's an aspect I never thought of. Let me ask you another question though, do one off internal systems exist or is that just a really bad and dumb idea?
I guess a second to that is, can you just get some funding and skilled players together and start your own distro? Is there a reference I can look at that will inform me on the culture and market aspects of Linux as well as the technical aspects? I don't mind doing my own research, but I am aware that I don't know what I don't know - a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
I guess my question is, and it is based on some honest ignorance about how the Linux community works, COULD a well skilled team do it? Could they do it with some community support in conjunction with their own internal staff? Could they be using the community support as a method of finding new talent? Is this even how the community functions?
/., Linux can be made to do whatever you want whenever you want by anyone who wants to (with the required skill).
I do not know. I can garner some idea of how it works from the outside, but statements like the post I originally responded to confuse the hell out of me. I lack the hardcore programming skills to jump into Linux development, so I can't really form a very accurate first hand opinion. From what I read on
I can see how the term zealot was probably not applicable here, but the statement was aimed at the "Only Linux will do" crowd in relation to the post I was replying to.
.htaccess and case sensitive URL issues most of the time - so I was being genuinely sincere when I stated my not understanding.
I do customer facing web development most of the time. I usually develop in a Windows environment. I'm not a super evangilist for Windows, but it does what I need it to do.
My Linux vs. Windows server experience is limited to
That having been said, if all the questions I posed are answered with a "No" , then I think the Fedora 2 might not be a very good buisiness decision. If even one was a yes, and I'm trying to understand the depth of the issue here, wouldn't the distro's original intent be somewhat moot?
Just trying to learn more about how Linux does its thing under the hood.
This is what I don't get about Linux zealots. As I understand it, Linux distros are open source so you can change things under the hood if you want. If GoDaddy has a team of well skilled Linux programmers and admins on staff, shouldn't they be able to change the code to a form that will suit their needs?
And if that is true, what does it matter if the release is no longer supported and was originally intended as a testing system? I thought the whole point of Linux was to be able to change it to suit your needs and support it yourself if you had the skills.
I cannot tell you how bad I hate sites like this. Some marketing snob with a background in print advertising has no business writing a design requirements document for a prospective web design firm.
I have told more companies "I am not going to work with you until you cut that guy out of the loop" more times than I care to remember. Most of the time it results in a giant ego bruising uphill assault while I explain the difference between a magazine and a website that finally ends when I say "Well, I can build you what you want for your money, or I can build you what works for your money."
You bring up an interesting point. When I build a B2C website, I am always aware of design that will be hindered by a lack of Broadband. Building a site using proper CSS and correctly optimized images has always done me right in these situations.
But, when building a B2B site, I can almost always depend on broadband, especially if the customer is a tech company selling product to large businesses. Quite often in these cases I have to add "Bells and Whistles" to garner the attention of C-Level and Business Process owners - while focusing on content for the implementers and promising ease of use for end users.
I have a really kick ass bluetooth abacus.
Gambling is a game of luck
Yeah, but betting is all skill.
I don't play online poker because I can't bluff people out, or read theirs. That makes it gambling, but in a casino or at a hall - it is recognized as a skill.
Not just that, but when can I start cloaking for boxxet? I can't wait until some lady uses a term like "puppies" and gets back goatse.
I don't think this guy has really thought about how easy it is to break these types of things.
I have plenty of clients that do that. I usually ask them if they could at least provide me with the topics they would like to cover. Then I take the topic list and start looking for freelance writers on eLance. They can usually whip out a decent amount of copy for $100 - $200 dollars. I then add 20% - 40% markup and bill the client.
If you are too lazy or too ignorant to understand why you need to give your developer the copy, you end up paying someone else to do it.
You wouldn't think so, but they do.
I bartended all throughout college and on and off for a little while after while I built up my resume. You wouldn't believe how many Irish and German patrons I had that couldn't get enough of the stuff. It was amazing.
You got to remember, our Imports are their domestic and vice versa.