I'm using Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official as my desktop OS, with a scanner, a printer, a Nikon D-70, a webcam, WiFi and so on. I'm burning DVD with music and DivX films (shame on me), I'm using Firefox, OpenOffice.org... and everything really works great.
I'm not using Windows anymore and these improvements have been performed during the past four years.
I'm SOOOO clueless, and you mostly agree with me. Right.
Regarding the so-called implication of Lindows in Free Software, it's just... bullshit. They give little and put a big logo. That's communication, no less, no more.
There is no comparison possible with other main Linux players who release... free software products, which is also one of the greatest feedback they can do in return to the community.
> Linux will never grow if it's never heard of outside the net.
That was the kind of thing we all heard 10 years ago about Linux as a server. Trust me, the Linux-desktop adoption won't need Linspire, as soon as it's ready for Joe users' desktop. But right now, it's not yet, in particular because all these commercial apps you can use under Windows and which aren't yet available under Linux.
"Can we please stop the "run as root" myth about Linspire."
It's not a myth, it's been the default behaviour of Lindows since the begining and haven't changed.
Lindows/Linspire is exactly what I wouldn't have wished to Linux for several reasons: 1) Linspire doesn't bring anything new to Linux, appart this pseudo-commercial hyper around it. Mandrakelinux, Fedora, SuSE, & others do really good desktop products with similar (or better) features and online services (including many ones which are free). 2) Linspire is a closed product. They think they can challenge Windows & Microsoft by adopting similar strategies, by trying to close open-source code, which is ridiculous and has no future. 3) Linspire tries to imitate the worse of Windows : open door to viruses (default root account), adoption of closed formats instead of open and public formats. 4) Linspire is a project started by a guy (Michael Robertson) which can lose much money for an OS dream with absolutely no open-source vision (and no technological vision at all).
As a result, Linspire is in my opinion a closed-world project that we must fight, because it's what Linux should never become.
I forgot to mention the newly released Mandrakelinux Corporate Desktop which looks very promising as a client OS for businesses. It's also very affordable ($109 with one-year 24x7 support).
There is a recent review of Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official on Newsforge: "For ease of use, Mandrakelinux can't beat. The Mandrakelinux Control Center is cleanly laid out and is probably the most intuitive on the market.", it's available here.
I've been using Mdklinux 10.1 for several months and it's incredibly powerful and stable, with thousands applications available from a simple click or a urpmi. Really worth a try.
Xandros and Lindows are "big players" losing much much money. So much that Lindows had to cancel their IPO at the last minute because they didn't reach their investment target. That's not what I call big players. At least, Mandrakesoft, Conectiva and Turbolinux are well-known and profitable companies.
It's interesting to notice the differences with UnitedLinux. LCC is not to push one Linux Standard, but to push the Linux standard (LSB).
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> I've heard from others that Mandrake is just slow > in general so I don't think it was just me.
I think you goal here is to provide false informations about Mandrake. They have been providing one of the fasted version of Linux since 1998! They always used optimization in compilation, which means that you get speed improvement, but on the other hand, you won't install a Mandrake on a 486 for install.
Anyway, performances depend on many factors, including hardware, number of services running and so on. And Gentoo is a pure geek-OS, not really Mandrake!
"As such, the author has chosen to go with the default Fedora desktop, GNOME. [...] Grant has chosen stability and ease of use, and he has chosen well."
He would certainly been still more happy with something such as Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official, which is easier to use than Fedora, and more stable. Additionally, it's available for download for free, and benefits from official Mandrakesoft updates.
Mandrakemove would have been an excellent choice as well since it doesn't require any installation and can store user's data on a USB key.
In order to understand the meaning, I think the best is to click on the Euronext link provided in the story. It provides the price, the increase, the volume and many other informations about Mandrakesoft's stock...
sorry it's my fault : I should have written "...an announce from Mandrakesoft that the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of 10.00% in three days.", or something like that...
If you look at all the 10.0 press releases and features page, you'll see that they slightly changed the wording: "Mandrake Linux" is now written "Mandrakelinux", "MandrakeStore" is written "Mandrakestore" and so on...
And Mandrake Cooker is 5 years old. Both Fedora & Cooker are experimental and quite buggy Linux distributions. The new Mandrake development scheme is an extention/evolution of this process, but you cannot compare it to Fedora. If you really need to compare it to something else, compare it to Debian stable/unstable branches...
If you read the PR, the Mandrake Community version will be exactly the same as a regular Mandrake Linux release. No more, no less, and their goal is to have the Official version totally polished/bug free... I'm not as pessimistic as you are!
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I'm using Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official as my desktop OS, with a scanner, a printer, a Nikon D-70, a webcam, WiFi and so on. I'm burning DVD with music and DivX films (shame on me), I'm using Firefox, OpenOffice.org... and everything really works great.
I'm not using Windows anymore and these improvements have been performed during the past four years.
I'm SOOOO clueless, and you mostly agree with me. Right.
Regarding the so-called implication of Lindows in Free Software, it's just... bullshit. They give little and put a big logo. That's communication, no less, no more.
There is no comparison possible with other main Linux players who release... free software products, which is also one of the greatest feedback they can do in return to the community.
> Linux will never grow if it's never heard of outside the net.
That was the kind of thing we all heard 10 years ago about Linux as a server. Trust me, the Linux-desktop adoption won't need Linspire, as soon as it's ready for Joe users' desktop. But right now, it's not yet, in particular because all these commercial apps you can use under Windows and which aren't yet available under Linux.
"Can we please stop the "run as root" myth about Linspire."
It's not a myth, it's been the default behaviour of Lindows since the begining and haven't changed.
Lindows/Linspire is exactly what I wouldn't have wished to Linux for several reasons:
1) Linspire doesn't bring anything new to Linux, appart this pseudo-commercial hyper around it. Mandrakelinux, Fedora, SuSE, & others do really good desktop products with similar (or better) features and online services (including many ones which are free).
2) Linspire is a closed product. They think they can challenge Windows & Microsoft by adopting similar strategies, by trying to close open-source code, which is ridiculous and has no future.
3) Linspire tries to imitate the worse of Windows : open door to viruses (default root account), adoption of closed formats instead of open and public formats.
4) Linspire is a project started by a guy (Michael Robertson) which can lose much money for an OS dream with absolutely no open-source vision (and no technological vision at all).
As a result, Linspire is in my opinion a closed-world project that we must fight, because it's what Linux should never become.
I forgot to mention the newly released Mandrakelinux Corporate Desktop which looks very promising as a client OS for businesses. It's also very affordable ($109 with one-year 24x7 support).
I've been using Mdklinux 10.1 for several months and it's incredibly powerful and stable, with thousands applications available from a simple click or a urpmi. Really worth a try.
Disclaimer: Newsforge is part of OSTG.
Because Suse has been purchased by Novell. Didn't you know about that?
Xandros and Lindows are "big players" losing much much money. So much that Lindows had to cancel their IPO at the last minute because they didn't reach their investment target. That's not what I call big players. At least, Mandrakesoft, Conectiva and Turbolinux are well-known and profitable companies.
Is available in the PR and in the FAQ.
It's interesting to notice the differences with UnitedLinux. LCC is not to push one Linux Standard, but to push the Linux standard (LSB).
> I've heard from others that Mandrake is just slow
> in general so I don't think it was just me.
I think you goal here is to provide false informations about Mandrake. They have been providing one of the fasted version of Linux since 1998! They always used optimization in compilation, which means that you get speed improvement, but on the other hand, you won't install a Mandrake on a 486 for install.
Anyway, performances depend on many factors, including hardware, number of services running and so on. And Gentoo is a pure geek-OS, not really Mandrake!
"As such, the author has chosen to go with the default Fedora desktop, GNOME. [...] Grant has chosen stability and ease of use, and he has chosen well."
He would certainly been still more happy with something such as Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official, which is easier to use than Fedora, and more stable. Additionally, it's available for download for free, and benefits from official Mandrakesoft updates.
Mandrakemove would have been an excellent choice as well since it doesn't require any installation and can store user's data on a USB key.
Right... When Mandrake started to ship with their graphical installer, Red Hat still used their old text-based installer.
In order to understand the meaning, I think the best is to click on the Euronext link provided in the story. It provides the price, the increase, the volume and many other informations about Mandrakesoft's stock...
Mandrakelinux is totally Open Source / Free Software, but of course all components aren't covered by the GPL! (all Mandrakesoft's own code do though).
sorry it's my fault : I should have written "...an announce from Mandrakesoft that the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of 10.00% in three days.", or something like that...
Actually, Mandrakelinux 10.0 provides KDE 3.2 plus many patches that make it a KDE 3.2.1. Just for your information.
That's maybe the reason why they created a new development scheme, with two versions:. php3
"Significant change in Mandrake Linux Development Process"
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/pr-releaseprocess
I think this can really have a positive effect on the quality of final products.
> Mandrake will go bancrupt soon. They need to make
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> some funding if they are not to go under.
Unfortunately for you, it seems you'll have to hear from Mandrake still for a while:
MandrakeSoft's First Quarter Results for 2003/2004: +8.4% revenue, +28.9% gross margin, 270,000 profit (http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/community/ma
It's 3.2.0 but according to the changelog, they applied many patches.
>This is one of the reasons I like Debian, even if I
>have to wait longer for some (major) things than >bloody edged distros like Gentoo.
Wait for Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official... it will be 100% bug free...
If you look at all the 10.0 press releases and features page, you'll see that they slightly changed the wording: "Mandrake Linux" is now written "Mandrakelinux", "MandrakeStore" is written "Mandrakestore" and so on...
Mandrake is a leading distribution. Just look at http://www.distrowatch.com/ and look at the page hit ranking.
I didn't know Fedora was officially supported by Red Hat.
> Yes, leaving them alone. By hosting servers,
:-}
> paying employees to work on Fedora, and spending
> lots of other money on the project.
Nice joke
And Mandrake Cooker is 5 years old. Both Fedora & Cooker are experimental and quite buggy Linux distributions. The new Mandrake development scheme is an extention/evolution of this process, but you cannot compare it to Fedora. If you really need to compare it to something else, compare it to Debian stable/unstable branches...
If you read the PR, the Mandrake Community version will be exactly the same as a regular Mandrake Linux release. No more, no less, and their goal is to have the Official version totally polished/bug free... I'm not as pessimistic as you are!