You are right, maybe I did misunderstand. Maybe you should have made your last post the first paragraph in your first post.
I guess IMHO, these people are "from the Open Source community". Although we don't have an "elected" body, there are always dissenting voices either way.
If you don't like the idea of Microsoft releasing their source, then by all means get up on your soapbox and tell us why. Heck, e-mail ESR and Larry Wall and tell them why.
I'm just glad that some respected voices from our community have stood up and made this point. I think by the names signed at the bottom of the list, they do represent our interests (if not everyone's point of view) pretty well.
The people whose names are at the bottom of that letter are people that people in our community (and outside) respect.
Your opinion of whether Micorosft should release their source code aside, the fact is that anyone can release anything under any license they choose.
The message that is being sent here is an excellent one: If you want to relase open source, do it right or don't expect to any kind of welcome into our community.
I thought it was well written and calm, explaining a rational point of view. I'm glad that ESR and the others have taken this step in an open letter.
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This is amusing, despite the fact that you can't "program" in HTML and "CGI" isn't a language.
Actually, the sad thing is that the best form of tech support you can get from MS is paying a couple of hundred $ a year.
They then mail you TechNet, which is a collection of CDs with bug fixes - and more importantly - a searchable index of problems/bugs that is far more complete than their on-line support.
Then, you don't have to pay $200 to go on hold, then get some MS wank tell you thay version x of DLL y leaks memory like a sieve.
The "English Major" is the person that you would like to see running Linux and loving it.
But having her install it from scratch? Come on. I bet if she used my Red Hat / KDE install, she would be good to go. Word processor, Netscape, E-Mail, easy to dial in to the net. She'd probably be loving it.
If you want Windows instalation horror stories, try typing "install windows" into a Deja News search!
The other thing that really bothered me was the compaints about Red Hat technical support. Say, is the teapot black! Microsoft runs a brutal tech support operation - I've had the displeasure of paying to find that out.
FYI, I've used and maintained Oracle on IRIX, NT and Digital Unix.
Oracle tends to have the same (major) bugs across the different *nixes, so I wouldn't be too concerned about that.
I would stay away from NT becuase the O/S can't stay up worth a shit.
Aftern that, I would check out how much you want the box to scale. The Intel x86 architecture is not good when it comes to large scale h/w configurations.
If you are going to need to go there, then consider Solaris on Sun H/W. otherwise, the price of Linux/Intel is hard to beat.
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You are right, maybe I did misunderstand. Maybe you should have made your last post the first paragraph in your first post.
I guess IMHO, these people are "from the Open Source community". Although we don't have an "elected" body, there are always dissenting voices either way.
If you don't like the idea of Microsoft releasing their source, then by all means get up on your soapbox and tell us why. Heck, e-mail ESR and Larry Wall and tell them why.
I'm just glad that some respected voices from our community have stood up and made this point. I think by the names signed at the bottom of the list, they do represent our interests (if not everyone's point of view) pretty well.
The people whose names are at the bottom of that letter are people that people in our community (and outside) respect.
Your opinion of whether Micorosft should release their source code aside, the fact is that anyone can release anything under any license they choose.
The message that is being sent here is an excellent one:
If you want to relase open source, do it right or don't expect to any kind of welcome into our community.
I thought it was well written and calm, explaining a rational point of view. I'm glad that ESR and the others have taken this step in an open letter.
...becuase Microsoft server software never works reliably.
The reason Microsoft can't relase reliable server apps (IMHO) is that they hide them under layers of GUIs and abstraction and crud.
More complex = less relaible.
Adding a "web administration" layer on top of this can only make it worse.
If you want a cheap web server, try Linux running on an old Pentium box with Apache.
Also from checking out the HTML source:
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If you like to program HTML, JavaScript, Java, C, Cold Fusion,Active Server Pages, Perl, cgi, or any other language used for web publishing -- if you are casually browsing our code, and you are interested in becoming actively involved with the campaign as a volunteer -- then you've come to the right place!
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This is amusing, despite the fact that you can't "program" in HTML and "CGI" isn't a language.
That's what I think this is.
I use plenty of GNU (and other Open Source) software on top of proprietary operating systems. And I use proprietary software on top of Linux. So what?
I can choose to use whatever software under whatever license on what ever O/S I choose. That is freedom.
I appreciate the role that GNU has played in allowing me that freedom, but this whole "GNU/Linux" thing is childish, idiotic and counter-productive.
Yikes!
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This reads like some wordy, rambling and largely non-sensical post that would have been quickly moderated below my threshold.
What is this stuff doing getting posted on
This has got to be an all-time low.
More high-quality graduates from Ottawa U.
Actually, the sad thing is that the best form of tech support you can get from MS is paying a couple of hundred $ a year.
They then mail you TechNet, which is a collection of CDs with bug fixes - and more importantly - a searchable index of problems/bugs that is far more complete than their on-line support.
Then, you don't have to pay $200 to go on hold, then get some MS wank tell you thay version x of DLL y leaks memory like a sieve.
I have:
/usr (4.5GB) | Linux Swap (100MB)
FAT32 (~7GB) | Linux Root (500M) | Linux
and no problems yet. Guess we'll see.
The "English Major" is the person that you would like to see running Linux and loving it.
But having her install it from scratch? Come on. I bet if she used my Red Hat / KDE install, she would be good to go. Word processor, Netscape, E-Mail, easy to dial in to the net. She'd probably be loving it.
If you want Windows instalation horror stories, try typing "install windows" into a Deja News search!
The other thing that really bothered me was the compaints about Red Hat technical support. Say, is the teapot black! Microsoft runs a brutal tech support operation - I've had the displeasure of paying to find that out.
It depends what you mean by "large scale".
FYI, I've used and maintained Oracle on IRIX, NT and Digital Unix.
Oracle tends to have the same (major) bugs across the different *nixes, so I wouldn't be too concerned about that.
I would stay away from NT becuase the O/S can't stay up worth a shit.
Aftern that, I would check out how much you want the box to scale. The Intel x86 architecture is not good when it comes to large scale h/w configurations.
If you are going to need to go there, then consider Solaris on Sun H/W. otherwise, the price of Linux/Intel is hard to beat.
Ok, so it's amusing for media coverage.
The real question is what is the uptime of your database?
SQLServer only runs on NT. Ooops.
I can rely on my OS staying up. That's why big wesites run against Oracle not on NT.
I don't know if this is why the source code is "important", but I sure find it handy when I can compile modules into a project - a la Apache.
You have to love being able to add mod_perl, php or whatever to the server after the fact.
char *mental_space;
mental_space = malloc(sizeof(your_puny_brain));
strcpy(mental_space, "Something intelligent.");
....
Segmentation fault (core dumped).