OK, better reliability and faster fsck's, but apart from that?
Well, XFS on SGIs does 64-bit files ( > 2GB), guaranteed rate I/O and better I/O performance in general. The user can also specify the block size (within a certain range).
It also has journalling so you can recover after a system crash - fsck is not required on XFS filesystems.
They've already released their filesystem. All they need to do is gradually transfer other stuff over to Linux and in a few years there won't be any reason to continue new development on Irix.
It's going to take a lot more than a few years to get Linux up to where IRIX is. SGI may have released XFS, but why isn't it in use by Linux yet? Becuase the implementation is non-trivial. Same with ccNUMA, 256 (soon to be 512) processor scalability, etc.
This may happen over time, but it will be a long time. As in don't plan on it any time soon.
SGI is just going two directions with their product lines. With machines you put on your desk, SGI's long-term plans are Linux/NT on IA-64. With servers, they are planning to stick with MIPS and IRIX.
Take an example - with Indigo2 I am typing this on. In it's day it was pretty fast, but SGI can't compete with the price/performance of a fast-pace market like desktop workstations using low-volume chips like the R5000/R10000 and the IRIX O/S. So, go with IA-64 and Linux and put your knowledge of graphics into making them better.
Now take another example - the 4CPU R10K Origin 2000 in our server room. You need the scalability and reliability of IRIX. You have thousands of customers who have come to respect and rely upon it. As much as I like Linux, you aren't going to go replacing IRIX with it any time soon.
I get the benefits. Having some money allows a whole bunch more to be done with slashdot. People to help Jeff and Rob, more bandwidth, etc.
If you *read* what I said, what is saddening is that Slashdot is now associated with Andover, and I think that is sad.
As I said, the signal to noise ratio over at Andover is shit, and it just saddens me to see Slashdot associated with that. I won't look at Slashdot the same way any more:(
I understand that you guys had to get out from under the 70 hour weeks. I'd do the smae thing if my website ever got anywhere near that successful.
But Andover? I'm sorry, those people are idiots. I used to subscribe to their 'daily news', but that column by Jack Bryar a while back was the last straw. By and large, their columnists suck, and they tend to write about stuff they know nothing about. I'm sure there is a column today about slashdot that is full of innacuracies.
IMHO, you couldn't have sold to a worse "news" company. I sure hope you do keep creative control.:(
I've been using this for quite a while. It's great becuase most of the spam I get has forged address information in the header (duh).
All you do is post the entire message (headers and all) and SpamCop parses it out and lets you know the e-mail addresses (abuse@, postmaster@, etc) that you need to complain to. It even composes an e-mail for you to send if you want.
You have to love this kind of thinking. To the general public, even for technical products, Microsoft has given up all pretense of having the version numbers actually mean anything.
Visual Interdev jumped from 1.0 to 6.0. What happened to the other numbers?
Still, when you get down to brass tacks, you still have proper version numbering, even from MS... "Oh, asp.dll 2.37.2.2 leaks memory - you need asp.dll version 2.39.17.4 to fix that!"
Well, IRIX ships with a version of sar. I'm not sure what relationship it has with the sar that SCO is donating, but it can do a lot of stuff:
- Report CPU utilization - Report buffer activity - Report activity for each block device, i.e., disk drives - Report TTY device activity - Report system calls - Report system swapping and switching activity - Report graphics activity - Report use of file access system routines - Report average queue length while occupied, and % of time occupied - Report status of process, i-node, file tables and record lock tables - Report message and semaphore activities - Report paging activities - Report translation lookaside buffer (TLB) activities - Report unused memory pages and disk blocks - Report system heap statistics - Report interrupt statistics
It will also log this activity so you can monitor things over time.
If you disable JavaScript, you are diabling a lot more than pop-up windows (we all know what sites use those the most).
As a web developer, I like JavaScript becuase it makes my life a lot easier.
People who somehow think cookies and JavaScript can get your credit card number and steal your girlfriend just don't get it. JavaScript is safe, except when idiots like eBay make it unsafe. Their press relase just underlines that they don't get it either.
Anyone else think of any more questions that are hard to measure and people lie regularily to when answering?
Despite the (repeated and obvious) mention that LOC doesn't mean anything, who the hell answers the questions accurately?
Ususaly when you see those surveys about which country (province, state, whatever) has sex the most often, the winner is usually the country with the most liars per capita.
However, why does everyone equate the change of a logo to doom? People have been calling them SGI for years, and changing a logo is extremely common in the business world.
The reports of SGI's demise are greatly exaggerated.
So I missed the 'K', but that doesn't change anything - the Origin 2000 is still an excellent server. And you still can't get a $99 graphics card from Best Buy that will turn your PC into an SGI workstation.
We have a 4 processor O2K here, but only a Sparc 20 so I can't compare your assertion:)
What is sad is that this kind of thing has been going on for years (not the first suit of its kind), but nobody seems to be able to stop it.
I wish the courts had punitive powers over litigants who bring such obviously frivilous and misguided cases to trial.
That might dissuade people from these kinds of lawsuits, but maybe I'm hoping for too much. Can people this stupid be convinced by logic?
What colour is the sky in your world?
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You might want to get a bit informed on SGI's product line before you start making conclusions.
Granted, the commoditization of the 3D hardware business has hurt SGI. But there is not way in hell you are going to match an Octane, much less the old Indigo2 I am writing this on, with a $99 graphics card from Best Buy.
Secondly, they aren't positioning the O2 platform as a server. That is what the Origin platform is for. It is well suited to I/O intensive and server-based applications. Try heading on over to www.sgi.com and checking out the specs.
Define "need". Are you saying that I need Apple or Microsoft's software? Hardly. Are you saying that free software needs media and commercial interests to succeed?
No, I'm saying that dealing with the media and commmercial interests is a fact of life. Both of these parties are going to warp the view of something we hold dear. I think we need people who can articulate well and who are well respected to speak up and try and make sure that doesn't happen.
I never said we need someone to be a leader of the community. You can like or dislike ESR, RMS and whomever else you want.
So I guess you are one of the "worrieds" that were agitated to "paranoia"?
We have a lot more in common than the code. I would like to think that there are a set of ideals that we share as well.
As I have already pointed out, the people who signed this letter are a respected group who can and will write open letters like this on our behalf.
Just because someone speaks for a community does not mean that it is "homogenous" or "entirely self-identified". When the US bombs Serbia, and Clinton comes on TV, does that mean that every American agrees with him?
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Do you feel like a real cracker becuase you figured out how to d/l Back Orifice?
Do you feel like an idiot becuase nobody really cares what you think?
Give me a fscking break.
Who's idea was this?
Hello?
Now we know why E*Trade has a form to fill in to make sure you have some experience before getting in on this.
Almost *all* IPOs get repriced outside of their range, either above or below.
Maybe E*Trade did a bad job communicating some information, but they are used to dealing with people who know a stock from a hole in the wall.
Geesh.
OK, better reliability and faster fsck's, but apart from that?
Well, XFS on SGIs does 64-bit files ( > 2GB), guaranteed rate I/O and better I/O performance in general. The user can also specify the block size (within a certain range).
It also has journalling so you can recover after a system crash - fsck is not required on XFS filesystems.
Rob and dozens of bikini-clad women give me a VIP tour of LinuxWorld. Sounds like a dream I once had.
:)
Where can I sign up
... is that if Sun bought out StarOffice, we would probably be subject to silly license restrictions and marketing crap (see Java) :(
I guess we can hope it doesn't happen that way.
They've already released their filesystem. All they need to do is gradually transfer other stuff over to Linux and in a few years there won't be any reason to continue new development on Irix.
It's going to take a lot more than a few years to get Linux up to where IRIX is. SGI may have released XFS, but why isn't it in use by Linux yet? Becuase the implementation is non-trivial. Same with ccNUMA, 256 (soon to be 512) processor scalability, etc.
This may happen over time, but it will be a long time. As in don't plan on it any time soon.
SGI is just going two directions with their product lines. With machines you put on your desk, SGI's long-term plans are Linux/NT on IA-64. With servers, they are planning to stick with MIPS and IRIX.
Take an example - with Indigo2 I am typing this on. In it's day it was pretty fast, but SGI can't compete with the price/performance of a fast-pace market like desktop workstations using low-volume chips like the R5000/R10000 and the IRIX O/S. So, go with IA-64 and Linux and put your knowledge of graphics into making them better.
Now take another example - the 4CPU R10K Origin 2000 in our server room. You need the scalability and reliability of IRIX. You have thousands of customers who have come to respect and rely upon it. As much as I like Linux, you aren't going to go replacing IRIX with it any time soon.
Very funny :)
:(
Unfortunately, was obviously actually used by many clueless morons, including some unapologetic idiots at who write for Slashdot's new owners.
I'm sure I'll be moderated down by the new world order.
I get the benefits. Having some money allows a whole bunch more to be done with slashdot. People to help Jeff and Rob, more bandwidth, etc.
:(
If you *read* what I said, what is saddening is that Slashdot is now associated with Andover, and I think that is sad.
As I said, the signal to noise ratio over at Andover is shit, and it just saddens me to see Slashdot associated with that. I won't look at Slashdot the same way any more
I understand that you guys had to get out from under the 70 hour weeks. I'd do the smae thing if my website ever got anywhere near that successful.
:(
But Andover? I'm sorry, those people are idiots. I used to subscribe to their 'daily news', but that column by Jack Bryar a while back was the last straw. By and large, their columnists suck, and they tend to write about stuff they know nothing about. I'm sure there is a column today about slashdot that is full of innacuracies.
IMHO, you couldn't have sold to a worse "news" company. I sure hope you do keep creative control.
Tom
I've been using this for quite a while. It's great becuase most of the spam I get has forged address information in the header (duh).
All you do is post the entire message (headers and all) and SpamCop parses it out and lets you know the e-mail addresses (abuse@, postmaster@, etc) that you need to complain to. It even composes an e-mail for you to send if you want.
Yeah, I was one of the people who submitted a link about this dual Linux/BeOS stuff.
However, then I read this story on ars which confirms what other people have been saying: it just runs Be.
You have to love this kind of thinking. To the general public, even for technical products, Microsoft has given up all pretense of having the version numbers actually mean anything.
:)
Visual Interdev jumped from 1.0 to 6.0. What happened to the other numbers?
Still, when you get down to brass tacks, you still have proper version numbering, even from MS... "Oh, asp.dll 2.37.2.2 leaks memory - you need asp.dll version 2.39.17.4 to fix that!"
Ugh
Well, IRIX ships with a version of sar. I'm not sure what relationship it has with the sar that SCO is donating, but it can do a lot of stuff:
- Report CPU utilization
- Report buffer activity
- Report activity for each block device, i.e., disk drives
- Report TTY device activity
- Report system calls
- Report system swapping and switching activity
- Report graphics activity
- Report use of file access system routines
- Report average queue length while occupied, and % of time occupied
- Report status of process, i-node, file tables and record lock tables
- Report message and semaphore activities
- Report paging activities
- Report translation lookaside buffer (TLB) activities
- Report unused memory pages and disk blocks
- Report system heap statistics
- Report interrupt statistics
It will also log this activity so you can monitor things over time.
If you disable JavaScript, you are diabling a lot more than pop-up windows (we all know what sites use those the most).
As a web developer, I like JavaScript becuase it makes my life a lot easier.
People who somehow think cookies and JavaScript can get your credit card number and steal your girlfriend just don't get it. JavaScript is safe, except when idiots like eBay make it unsafe. Their press relase just underlines that they don't get it either.
How many KLOC do you write a year?
Anyone else think of any more questions that are hard to measure and people lie regularily to when answering?
Despite the (repeated and obvious) mention that LOC doesn't mean anything, who the hell answers the questions accurately?
Ususaly when you see those surveys about which country (province, state, whatever) has sex the most often, the winner is usually the country with the most liars per capita.
Personally, I like the old logo better.
However, why does everyone equate the change of a logo to doom? People have been calling them SGI for years, and changing a logo is extremely common in the business world.
The reports of SGI's demise are greatly exaggerated.
So I missed the 'K', but that doesn't change anything - the Origin 2000 is still an excellent server. And you still can't get a $99 graphics card from Best Buy that will turn your PC into an SGI workstation.
:)
We have a 4 processor O2K here, but only a Sparc 20 so I can't compare your assertion
You are absolutely correct.
What is sad is that this kind of thing has been going on for years (not the first suit of its kind), but nobody seems to be able to stop it.
I wish the courts had punitive powers over litigants who bring such obviously frivilous and misguided cases to trial.
That might dissuade people from these kinds of lawsuits, but maybe I'm hoping for too much. Can people this stupid be convinced by logic?
You might want to get a bit informed on SGI's product line before you start making conclusions.
Granted, the commoditization of the 3D hardware business has hurt SGI. But there is not way in hell you are going to match an Octane, much less the old Indigo2 I am writing this on, with a $99 graphics card from Best Buy.
Secondly, they aren't positioning the O2 platform as a server. That is what the Origin platform is for. It is well suited to I/O intensive and server-based applications. Try heading on over to www.sgi.com and checking out the specs.
I hope everyone reads it and enjoys a well-written viewpoint from another side of the fence.
Enjoy, and don't let it degerate into G3 vs. Pentium or Mac vs. Linux or KDE vs. Gnome flamewars.
Am I hoping for too much?
Define "need". Are you saying that I need Apple or Microsoft's software? Hardly. Are you saying that free software needs media and commercial interests to succeed?
No, I'm saying that dealing with the media and commmercial interests is a fact of life. Both of these parties are going to warp the view of something we hold dear. I think we need people who can articulate well and who are well respected to speak up and try and make sure that doesn't happen.
I never said we need someone to be a leader of the community. You can like or dislike ESR, RMS and whomever else you want.
if you want.
But in the real world, you need a voice speaking on your behalf. The media and commerical interests are facts of life.
Look at the names on that list - who better to be speaking?
Sure they can speak for the community - they just did.
Apparently, all the moderators agree with people like you, though, becuase they are spending their points scoring up two-line posts. lovely.
So I guess you are one of the "worrieds" that were agitated to "paranoia"?
We have a lot more in common than the code. I would like to think that there are a set of ideals that we share as well.
As I have already pointed out, the people who signed this letter are a respected group who can and will write open letters like this on our behalf.
Just because someone speaks for a community does not mean that it is "homogenous" or "entirely self-identified". When the US bombs Serbia, and Clinton comes on TV, does that mean that every American agrees with him?