Hey, there's always Via and their crappy Cyrix! (btw: i have that mini-itx mobo with 800mhz via c3... performs like a p2 400, sigh)
Hey, does anyone know where I can get a prebuilt system with one of these in it? I don't need a terribly fast machine - my main workstation for homework and such is a Dual Celeron 366 - but I want something _quiet_.
And how 'bout the 5 great software titles available for OSX!! Can't beat the $$ savings!!!
Pretty much all I use on my OS X machine is Terminal, Mozilla, Mail, and iTunes. So I guess you're right.
Nice try at being sarcastic, though.
--saint
(Slow Down, Cowboy! Riiiight. Hey, Taco, some of us can type quickly _and_ spell things correctly. Don't assume that we all share your habit of slowly pawing at the keyboard, okay?)
You obviously haven't tried XP or any recent Windows.
That's why I _specifically_ referred to the blue and green theme. The classic theme is fine, or at least no worse than any other version of Windows. But on the rare occasion that I have to deal with an XP machine at work, the users all seem to use the Luna interface. And I think it's ugly as sin.
Sorry if that was unclear, but perhaps you ought to read a little more carefully before jumping to assumptions about other people's ignorance.
Here's your chance to see what the future of the microsoft desktop is gonna look like!
It looks like a dreadful KDE theme. How can anyone actually get anything done with an interface this jarring?
The more time I spend on OS X, and the more I see XP (in its blue and green theme) and now this, the happier I am with the clean, uncluttered desktop that I get from Windowmaker.
I don't, especially. I like Slashdot. If I didn't, I wouldn't spend so much time reading and posting here. I just thought that Hemos's comment was painfully heavyhanded.
judge it by what types of stories get posted
Another minor update to the development branch of the kernel! Hurrah!
by the ensuing conversations
*BSD is Dying because of Natalie Portman's hot, petrified grits.
but not by the occasional mistakes of the editors.
Occasional? I used to work in a call center that was heavily staffed with middle eastern immigrants. All of them had a better grasp on the English language than CmdrTypo on his best day.
But hey, I guess its the little foibles like complete illiteracy that give this site its personality.
The surf kiddie's solution: Go to your Kinko's (or whatever's the right store for the stuff - it's been a few years since I've been on the left side of the Atlantic), buy some iron-on paper for your printer, download (or draw) the graphic(s) of your choice, print, iron on plain shirt and wear.
Personally, I use the iron-ons in the blue and orange packaging from Target, and the heavy duty t-shirts from there as well. Shirts with pictures from engrish.com seem to be especially popular.
I've been using Debian for a while on an old (circa 1998) Digital alpha workstation and it is rock solid and was not *that* hard to install.
Amen. My first exposure to Linux was Debian on an old 68040 Macintosh. Debian is, as far as I can tell, the _only_ English-language distro for m68k architecture. Sure, the installer was a little rough, especially since some options didn't apply to the hardware platform I was using, but everything installed and worked just fine.
If nothing else, the support for other architectures that the Debian project shoots for is invaluable.
I assume you're saying the you run your own DNS and mail for your home network and don't run them for the outside world, right?
Indeed. So far as I can tell, the entire network infrastructure for my soon-to-be-out-of-business cable provider is run by untrained chimps; I've actually set up a few NetBSD-based DNS-and-mail server combos for friends who are sick of all their name lookups timing out and their mail getting lost.
This really isn't all that surprising - sure, I've got a home network with a cable modem and my own mail and DNS servers and such, but I'm a big geek who likes tinkering with this sort of shit, so broadband is useful to me.
It's like people who have three or four cars in the driveway that they enjoy tinkering with as a hobby - my mom drives a Taurus to get groceries and go to work, and that's all she needs. Just like all she needs for internet access is a couple of five minute dialup connections every week to check her email.
Evercase from newegg.com are inexpensive and very nice quality. If you need a new case for a desktop/low-end-server I highly recommend one.
Hey, that reminds me - are there any places I can still buy a desktop-style case instead of a tower? I sort of prefer the monitor-on-top configuration on a desktop (like my old IBMs), but I couldn't find one anywhere when I was putting together my other machine.
I think that NetBSD is possibly the best system for a newbie who really _wants_ to learn Unix, if only because it's so bare-boned that you have to figure out the whole thing to get any work done.
My first experience with it was on an old Quadra 700 Macintosh, which I installed NetBSD 1.4.something on to try and get used to using a command line. Outside of the sun boxen at the college I attended, I hadn't used a shell prompt before, but I wanted to figure out how to get things done before OS X came out.
Well, NetBSD isn't what I'd call "user friendly," especially the installer for the Mac68k port. But I managed to figure it out, and by bothering the hell out of the local Linux and Solaris geeks, I managed to get everything up and running properly.
By the time OS X came out, I wasn't prepared to give up the BSDs I've come to appreciate - so I've got a NetBSD box, one for OpenBSD, and one for FreeBSD on my network. They're all hand-configured to the purposes I need them for. And all that time meant that I have a much better grasp of how my systems fit together than any of the l33t haX0rs at work with their Mandrake installs and their deep fear of the command line.
In short, if you want to learn a particular distros tools, install some flavor of Linux and use the administration stuff that comes with it. But if you want knowledge that bridges between Unix variants, give NetBSD a shot. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Both companies said they would offer WordPerfect productivity software from Corel of Canada instead of Microsoft's Works, a scaled-down version of its top-selling Office software.
Nice to see so much competition in the painfully crippled office suite space. What's next, Gateway selling machines with preinstalled copies of AppleWorks for Windows?
Hey, maybe IBM will start packaging that Lotus SmartSuite again. That was a real winner.
I think the part that disturbs me the most is this: I work at a college, and this means there's going to be that many more students running around with word processor documents that they can't print in our labs. Headaches, ahoy.
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transitioning from OS9 to OSX must be a bit like moving from an automatic to a stick shift.
Not really - it's more like moving from a Kia to a Lexus.
--saint
Hey, there's always Via and their crappy Cyrix! (btw: i have that mini-itx mobo with 800mhz via c3... performs like a p2 400, sigh)
Hey, does anyone know where I can get a prebuilt system with one of these in it? I don't need a terribly fast machine - my main workstation for homework and such is a Dual Celeron 366 - but I want something _quiet_.
--saint
And how 'bout the 5 great software titles available for OSX!! Can't beat the $$ savings!!!
Pretty much all I use on my OS X machine is Terminal, Mozilla, Mail, and iTunes. So I guess you're right.
Nice try at being sarcastic, though.
--saint
(Slow Down, Cowboy! Riiiight. Hey, Taco, some of us can type quickly _and_ spell things correctly. Don't assume that we all share your habit of slowly pawing at the keyboard, okay?)
You obviously haven't tried XP or any recent Windows.
That's why I _specifically_ referred to the blue and green theme. The classic theme is fine, or at least no worse than any other version of Windows. But on the rare occasion that I have to deal with an XP machine at work, the users all seem to use the Luna interface. And I think it's ugly as sin.
Sorry if that was unclear, but perhaps you ought to read a little more carefully before jumping to assumptions about other people's ignorance.
--saint
Here's your chance to see what the future of the microsoft desktop is gonna look like!
It looks like a dreadful KDE theme. How can anyone actually get anything done with an interface this jarring?
The more time I spend on OS X, and the more I see XP (in its blue and green theme) and now this, the happier I am with the clean, uncluttered desktop that I get from Windowmaker.
--saint
So they have left themselves in a position where they can only compete in a space where their slow frequency is not such a liability.
They're making Mac clones?
--saint
(Posted from my old, slow Mac.)
OK, so what editor should we kill?
I only get to kill one?
Michael, I guess.
--saint
you're that loser that just sits in the corner at the lan parties
"loser" + "lan parties" = (-1. redundant).
--saint
Jim Thompson (a real smart guy you've probably never heard of)
Sure I have. He wrote _The Grifters_, right? And _The Killer Inside Me_?
Jim Thompson rocks. And I'm really glad to finally use something from that English degree here on Slashdot.
--saint
if you want to judge slashdot,
I don't, especially. I like Slashdot. If I didn't, I wouldn't spend so much time reading and posting here. I just thought that Hemos's comment was painfully heavyhanded.
judge it by what types of stories get posted
Another minor update to the development branch of the kernel! Hurrah!
by the ensuing conversations
*BSD is Dying because of Natalie Portman's hot, petrified grits.
but not by the occasional mistakes of the editors.
Occasional? I used to work in a call center that was heavily staffed with middle eastern immigrants. All of them had a better grasp on the English language than CmdrTypo on his best day.
But hey, I guess its the little foibles like complete illiteracy that give this site its personality.
--saint
I think what people fail to realize is that for many business, less people is *just fine*, if those people are paying.
Hmm. Sounds like we're in for another harangue on the topic of Slashdot subscriptions in the near future.
I'd happily pay, if you guys would promise to use the money to buy some English as a Second Language courses. Maybe a spell checker.
--saint
I wonder if its still running on the Alpha cluster from back in the day.
Christ, I just realized that Altavista hasn't been the best since DEC got bought out. Hey, HPQ, fuck you in the eye. Again.
--saint
The surf kiddie's solution: Go to your Kinko's (or whatever's the right store for the stuff - it's been a few years since I've been on the left side of the Atlantic), buy some iron-on paper for your printer, download (or draw) the graphic(s) of your choice, print, iron on plain shirt and wear.
Personally, I use the iron-ons in the blue and orange packaging from Target, and the heavy duty t-shirts from there as well. Shirts with pictures from engrish.com seem to be especially popular.
--saint
I've been using Debian for a while on an old (circa 1998) Digital alpha workstation and it is rock solid and was not *that* hard to install.
Amen. My first exposure to Linux was Debian on an old 68040 Macintosh. Debian is, as far as I can tell, the _only_ English-language distro for m68k architecture. Sure, the installer was a little rough, especially since some options didn't apply to the hardware platform I was using, but everything installed and worked just fine.
If nothing else, the support for other architectures that the Debian project shoots for is invaluable.
--saint
A larger impression piece will be coming out just as soon as I have time to write it.
Yeah, it's gotta take a lot of time to approve a half-dozen duplicate stories a day and install XP over and over again.
Amazing there's enough hours in the day.
Tool.
--saint
I have, since the spring of 2002, a cordless optical mouse made by Maxxtor,
Maxxtor? Are you sure it's not a Sorny, or maybe a Magnetbox?
"If you like your mousing, and I mean _really_ like it, you need the Carnivale...."
--saint
On a similar note, how well does Opera run on NetBSD's Linux (and I guess FreeBSD too now) binary compatibility system?
I haven't tried it recently, but I ran Opera under the Linux compatibility in NetBSD 1.4.x - worked without a hitch.
--saint
I assume you're saying the you run your own DNS and mail for your home network and don't run them for the outside world, right?
Indeed. So far as I can tell, the entire network infrastructure for my soon-to-be-out-of-business cable provider is run by untrained chimps; I've actually set up a few NetBSD-based DNS-and-mail server combos for friends who are sick of all their name lookups timing out and their mail getting lost.
--saint
This really isn't all that surprising - sure, I've got a home network with a cable modem and my own mail and DNS servers and such, but I'm a big geek who likes tinkering with this sort of shit, so broadband is useful to me.
It's like people who have three or four cars in the driveway that they enjoy tinkering with as a hobby - my mom drives a Taurus to get groceries and go to work, and that's all she needs. Just like all she needs for internet access is a couple of five minute dialup connections every week to check her email.
--saint
Sure plenty [pricewatch.com].
This one [directron.com] looks nice. Or here's [newegg.com] a bigger one.
Thanks a lot - I don't know why I had so much trouble finding one.
--saint
some are blacktron, i forget the rest
[Malcolm X voice]
We didn't land on Sark and the MCP - Sark and the MCP laaaanded on US!
[/Malcolm X voice]
--saint
Evercase from newegg.com are inexpensive and very nice quality. If you need a new case for a desktop/low-end-server I highly recommend one.
Hey, that reminds me - are there any places I can still buy a desktop-style case instead of a tower? I sort of prefer the monitor-on-top configuration on a desktop (like my old IBMs), but I couldn't find one anywhere when I was putting together my other machine.
--saint
I think that NetBSD is possibly the best system for a newbie who really _wants_ to learn Unix, if only because it's so bare-boned that you have to figure out the whole thing to get any work done.
My first experience with it was on an old Quadra 700 Macintosh, which I installed NetBSD 1.4.something on to try and get used to using a command line. Outside of the sun boxen at the college I attended, I hadn't used a shell prompt before, but I wanted to figure out how to get things done before OS X came out.
Well, NetBSD isn't what I'd call "user friendly," especially the installer for the Mac68k port. But I managed to figure it out, and by bothering the hell out of the local Linux and Solaris geeks, I managed to get everything up and running properly.
By the time OS X came out, I wasn't prepared to give up the BSDs I've come to appreciate - so I've got a NetBSD box, one for OpenBSD, and one for FreeBSD on my network. They're all hand-configured to the purposes I need them for. And all that time meant that I have a much better grasp of how my systems fit together than any of the l33t haX0rs at work with their Mandrake installs and their deep fear of the command line.
In short, if you want to learn a particular distros tools, install some flavor of Linux and use the administration stuff that comes with it. But if you want knowledge that bridges between Unix variants, give NetBSD a shot. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
--saint
It is an environmentally sensitive area. So, how about it, should it be exploited?
Of course! That's what environmentally sensitive areas exist for.
--George W Bush
Both companies said they would offer WordPerfect productivity software from Corel of Canada instead of Microsoft's Works, a scaled-down version of its top-selling Office software.
Nice to see so much competition in the painfully crippled office suite space. What's next, Gateway selling machines with preinstalled copies of AppleWorks for Windows?
Hey, maybe IBM will start packaging that Lotus SmartSuite again. That was a real winner.
I think the part that disturbs me the most is this: I work at a college, and this means there's going to be that many more students running around with word processor documents that they can't print in our labs. Headaches, ahoy.
--saint