It's not cheaper when you factor in the time wasted trying to figure out how to use Linux.
Depends on how much of that time is spent unlearning the habits formed by Windows use.
The interfaces for these newer desktop Linux distros, like Lycoris and Lindows, seem to me to be just as intuitive as the one Windows XP has. Obviously there are differences, but it seems to me that starting from a blank slate, a new user can learn Linux just as easily as they can learn Windows or Mac OS.
(Then again, I use Windowmaker on FreeBSD, and like it - it's certainly possible that I'm unable to see these things from the perspective of a new user, since it's been so long since I had to approach a computer problem without having any inkling of the solution. So please take this with a grain of salt.)
Odd to see this stuff getting so much mainstream attention. I especially liked how the author of the Buffalo News article went out of his way to point out how much cheaper a computer is without MS Windows.
Free software won't be taking over the world any time soon, but its definitely getting more and more mindshare every year.
Apple should consider making the iBook case easier to remove and offer a variety of high quality skins. i.e. have some artists design say 10 different designs and offer them installed at the apple store.
They did something similar with the PowerBook 1400 - there was what they called a "bookcover" system where you could change the cosmetics of the lid with a paper insert.
As far as I know, nobody ever really took advantage of it. Then again, now that people are putting neon lights and exhaust tips and shit on their computers, silly cosmetic features like that might do a little better in the marketplace. Who knows.
It's a troll kind of login. You guessed right. He's been at it for a while.
Yeah, but at least he's entertaining. I'd rather have a ton of trolls like PhysicsGenius, tps12, and Amsterdam Vallon rather than the crapflooders and idiots that end up at -1 seconds after posting.
"Trolling" is an art form, to be honest, and it's great to watch him still get so many bites.
The Slashdot editors waited overnight for the mirrors to pick up the new release before posting the announcement!
Nice. Maybe they'll manage to wait a few hours for FreeBSD next time, then, rather than prematurely shooting the old story-wad like the last six releases.
The closest thing to Linux on old Mac 68k hardware is MKLinux and that's really not being developed any more. NetBSD is current!
Debian has a m68k port, I was using it for a while on a Quadra 950. Not that Debian is all that much more current than MkLinux, but you might find it useful.
Although the one thing that could improve all of linux is the removal of X. God, it is SLOW, Windows 98 booted faster on my p300 with 64mb and this is an AMD at 1667mhz with 1024mb!
I doubt that's just X... XFree runs acceptably with FVWM on my old Sun IPC (40 megs of RAM, no less), and my main workstation is a dual Celery 366 with Windowmaker. I think all of the "desktop environment" bullshit is probably more of an issue on any computer newer than 5 or 6 years.
I refuse to get a job and spend 40 hours a week working just so I have a house to collapse in at the end of the day. The ends, to me, do not justify the working my ass off.
I feel the same way - which is why I work for the IT department in a smallish private college. I enjoy working; I actually get up in the morning and look forward to going to the office.
It's a hackneyed old phrase, but if you find a job you love, you never work a day in your life.
When we communicate we have a higher tendancy to draw associatative memories rather than stick to the literary rules that enslave us. We don't say "Well done Sir" we say "x 1337 mate, total ownage on last night". We are the creative generation.
You sound like the marketing pitch for a new brand of portable phone. Shut up, learn to speak properly, and pull up your fucking pants. Literary rules don't "enslave" anyone.
If this is going to be going into both computers and video equipment, I have a feeling there's going to be some powerful DRM voodoo brought into play.
Which means a lot of the potential flexibility could be lost. I'd love a hot-swappable 80 gig backup device for my file server at home, and this sounds cheap enough to be it, but I wonder what kind of wonky file system bullshit will have to be followed.
Yeah, I'm sure the childless, single people with no responsibilities will chime in with suggestions about better managing finances...
Speaking for the single and childless, go fuck yourself. I'm already getting boned when all of my coworkers run home for family care days and shit and leave us younger folk to handle things at work.
Sorry, you hit a nerve. Not that anyone's still reading this thread anyway.
We look at the queue of messages and vote/moderate ones that are interesting. Anything receiving enough votes automatically shows up.
I'd subscribe for that. And I'd like it to remain a subscriber-only voting pool, so it doesn't degenerate into a political extremist circle jerk like K5.
if you bothered to do a little reading. (this is something us literate "old folks" do.) you would know i am anything but that. you insistent little flamer.
Your posting history speaks for itself, I'm afraid. Anyone who cares enough to check it will quickly realize that everything you post is a semi-literate, pro-OSS screed. They all seem to be written in the style of a freshman computer science student who is exceptionally excited about this l33t "Linux" thing and has no counterbalancing experience with how computers are actually used in the real world?
Examples?
"thats because to most of us in the OSS world it IS a secondary issue. yeah to us it is way more important to get a piece of software that WORKS 100% of the time(user error or lack of know-how doesnt count) and doesnt crash or break standards that I rely on."
This is your comment on the "unimportant" matter of user interfaces, which can be found here.
Or how about this:
"i will however point out too everyone who reads your comment that you seem to approve (like?) of MS. and therefore will/do have a downward opinion of anything non-MS."
This insightful little bit, which I dug up here, speaks volumes for your ability to relate to others.
I don't know if its intentional or not, but you come across as a frothing 14 year old zealot with a limited vocabulary and severe social retardation. Take a bit of care before you speak if you want to be taken seriously by anyone but the other l33t k1dd13s skipping your fourth period gym class.
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It's not cheaper when you factor in the time wasted trying to figure out how to use Linux.
Depends on how much of that time is spent unlearning the habits formed by Windows use.
The interfaces for these newer desktop Linux distros, like Lycoris and Lindows, seem to me to be just as intuitive as the one Windows XP has. Obviously there are differences, but it seems to me that starting from a blank slate, a new user can learn Linux just as easily as they can learn Windows or Mac OS.
(Then again, I use Windowmaker on FreeBSD, and like it - it's certainly possible that I'm unable to see these things from the perspective of a new user, since it's been so long since I had to approach a computer problem without having any inkling of the solution. So please take this with a grain of salt.)
--saint
There was a similar article in the Buffalo News yesterday.
Odd to see this stuff getting so much mainstream attention. I especially liked how the author of the Buffalo News article went out of his way to point out how much cheaper a computer is without MS Windows.
Free software won't be taking over the world any time soon, but its definitely getting more and more mindshare every year.
--saint
Christ, this one is still on the _main page_. Don't you ever read your site, you useless asshat?
--saint
And don't post comments about how 1337 your Radeon 9700 Pro or Ti4800 is. Know your task.
My task: Running a console on the rare occasion that a monitor is plugged into my server at home.
My card: An S3 Trio32
Ph33r my 1337ness.
--saint
Apple should consider making the iBook case easier to remove and offer a variety of high quality skins. i.e. have some artists design say 10 different designs and offer them installed at the apple store.
They did something similar with the PowerBook 1400 - there was what they called a "bookcover" system where you could change the cosmetics of the lid with a paper insert.
As far as I know, nobody ever really took advantage of it. Then again, now that people are putting neon lights and exhaust tips and shit on their computers, silly cosmetic features like that might do a little better in the marketplace. Who knows.
--saint
It's a troll kind of login. You guessed right. He's been at it for a while.
Yeah, but at least he's entertaining. I'd rather have a ton of trolls like PhysicsGenius, tps12, and Amsterdam Vallon rather than the crapflooders and idiots that end up at -1 seconds after posting.
"Trolling" is an art form, to be honest, and it's great to watch him still get so many bites.
--saint
Did it ever occur to you that someone could be intelligent enough to be a geek and a liberal arts major?
In case this didn't occur to anyone, I have a BA in English and I'm in a BS program in Computer Science right now.
There's a lot of us out here who are as comfortable with analyzing Pynchon as analyzing a core dump.
--saint
(And we all seem to fucking _despise_ Star Trek.)
The Slashdot editors waited overnight for the mirrors to pick up the new release before posting the announcement!
Nice. Maybe they'll manage to wait a few hours for FreeBSD next time, then, rather than prematurely shooting the old story-wad like the last six releases.
--saint
Although not yet officially announced
Uh, maybe there's a reason? Like they want to finish pushing everything out to the mirrors?
--saint
This would seem to make it very close to what we call in Belgium "gerechtelijk akkoord"
Ah, what a beautiful language.
Slashdot requires you to wait 20 seconds between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment.
--saint
Wouldn't CyberDog 2.0 be a better name than Safari?
I was holding out for iBerdog, myself.
--saint
(Posting from Mozilla, because Safari doesn't have tabs.)
The closest thing to Linux on old Mac 68k hardware is MKLinux and that's really not being developed any more. NetBSD is current!
Debian has a m68k port, I was using it for a while on a Quadra 950. Not that Debian is all that much more current than MkLinux, but you might find it useful.
--saint
Like sex, software is better when it's free."
And also like software, it's better when it doesn't involve Stallman.
--saint
Although the one thing that could improve all of linux is the removal of X. God, it is SLOW, Windows 98 booted faster on my p300 with 64mb and this is an AMD at 1667mhz with 1024mb!
I doubt that's just X... XFree runs acceptably with FVWM on my old Sun IPC (40 megs of RAM, no less), and my main workstation is a dual Celery 366 with Windowmaker. I think all of the "desktop environment" bullshit is probably more of an issue on any computer newer than 5 or 6 years.
--saint
Funny, I thought that was the 30 life cheat for the breakout game.
(20 second limit, blah blah blah)
--saint
I refuse to get a job and spend 40 hours a week working just so I have a house to collapse in at the end of the day. The ends, to me, do not justify the working my ass off.
I feel the same way - which is why I work for the IT department in a smallish private college. I enjoy working; I actually get up in the morning and look forward to going to the office.
It's a hackneyed old phrase, but if you find a job you love, you never work a day in your life.
--saint
Belgium is nothing more than a dangerous liberal myth, invented to boost morale of Europeans.
I always assumed it was a little-used corridor between Germany and France.
--saint
When we communicate we have a higher tendancy to draw associatative memories rather than stick to the literary rules that enslave us. We don't say "Well done Sir" we say "x 1337 mate, total ownage on last night". We are the creative generation.
You sound like the marketing pitch for a new brand of portable phone. Shut up, learn to speak properly, and pull up your fucking pants. Literary rules don't "enslave" anyone.
--saint
If this is going to be going into both computers and video equipment, I have a feeling there's going to be some powerful DRM voodoo brought into play.
Which means a lot of the potential flexibility could be lost. I'd love a hot-swappable 80 gig backup device for my file server at home, and this sounds cheap enough to be it, but I wonder what kind of wonky file system bullshit will have to be followed.
--saint
Yeah, I'm sure the childless, single people with no responsibilities will chime in with suggestions about better managing finances...
Speaking for the single and childless, go fuck yourself. I'm already getting boned when all of my coworkers run home for family care days and shit and leave us younger folk to handle things at work.
Sorry, you hit a nerve. Not that anyone's still reading this thread anyway.
--saint
We look at the queue of messages and vote/moderate ones that are interesting. Anything receiving enough votes automatically shows up.
I'd subscribe for that. And I'd like it to remain a subscriber-only voting pool, so it doesn't degenerate into a political extremist circle jerk like K5.
--saint
1) My Pentium rounded up from 6.9 billionths of a processor cycle, FDIV style
I still remember a friend of mine's answer to the FDIV bug, as posted on a local BBS.
"Remove the '/' key from all the keyboards you ship with these systems."
--saint
if you bothered to do a little reading. (this is something us literate "old folks" do.) you would know i am anything but that. you insistent little flamer.
Your posting history speaks for itself, I'm afraid. Anyone who cares enough to check it will quickly realize that everything you post is a semi-literate, pro-OSS screed. They all seem to be written in the style of a freshman computer science student who is exceptionally excited about this l33t "Linux" thing and has no counterbalancing experience with how computers are actually used in the real world?
Examples?
"thats because to most of us in the OSS world it IS a secondary issue. yeah to us it is way more important to get a piece of software that WORKS 100% of the time(user error or lack of know-how doesnt count) and doesnt crash or break standards that I rely on."
This is your comment on the "unimportant" matter of user interfaces, which can be found here.
Or how about this:
"i will however point out too everyone who reads your comment that you seem to approve (like?) of MS. and therefore will/do have a downward opinion of anything non-MS."
This insightful little bit, which I dug up here, speaks volumes for your ability to relate to others.
I don't know if its intentional or not, but you come across as a frothing 14 year old zealot with a limited vocabulary and severe social retardation. Take a bit of care before you speak if you want to be taken seriously by anyone but the other l33t k1dd13s skipping your fourth period gym class.
--saint
tiothy
Yup. Definitely an editor.
--saint
power user. there is a contradiction if ever there was one
The accountant who pays your Mom's salary so you can get your allowance is probably an Excel power user.
Now run along, and don't spend it all on candy, you karma-whoring little fanboy fuck.
--saint