You should have been able to boot to your previous Mac OS 8 installation after having installed Mac OSX. As Mac OSX will very nicely co-exist on the same partition, and disk as OS8 and OS9. (As far as I'm aware)
For best performance, always install OS9 before installing OSX, as then OSX will detect your OS9 during install, and provide you with immediate Classic interface, with minimal setup.
Such a BIOS limitation doesn't exist on later Macs, but that doesn't mean much to you, I know. Or to the many people who still have a BIOS in ROM. (Technically called OpenFirmware)
I think if someone had more experience with Macs, they could have performed the install much more easily than what you had done, but then I've done a lot of unnecessary installs of OS9, and OSX in my day just learning how to use it myself.
I bet half the information I gave here you already know from first hand experience just like me:)
Personally, I like having my OS9 partition seperate from my OSX partition, then I can start up to either just by rebooting and holding the OPTION buttton, rather than having to select system disks. OS9 has full access to my OSX partition, so I just install my games on to my significantly larger OSX partition, and just access them that way in OS9. While my OS9 sits there in a (mostly unused) 500MB or so partition.
1) Boot from a Linux install CD 2) From the shell run fdisk, create your partitions, and reboot. 3) There is no step three.
True, it all looks short, but there's more to it than meets the eye. True, OSX's disk installer has a much better interface to it than fdisk, but it's still not anywhere near as blithly simple as he put it to be.
Essentially wrong. I have a 550MHz PowerBook G4, and I can hardly run Classic inside of OSX. It's slow, because dispite what you say about it only stubbing API calls, that's wrong.
The entire nature of how OS9 works, as compared to OSX, requires a bit of "virtualization" to watch out for commands that won't run in a non-priviledged environment. In OS9, all programs ran in priviledged state, and could do anything they wanted to. Thus the reason for all the crashes. In OSX, the programs all run in non-priviledged environments.
So, no it usually doesn't come down to a decent speed performance. Not to mention that a number of things required for, let's just say games, don't get "emulated" or "virtualized" or whatever correctly, and I've never been able to get decent performance out of them.
Then, not to mention, that in OSX the Classic environment itself is running in a true multi-tasked environment, so even if the program you were running underneath the Classic environment were to get 100% of Classic's running time (which is actually quite possible) it wouldn't be getting anywhere near that of the actual entirely available execution time.
I don't know... everytime I see ESA, I pronounce it "Eh-Es-Ah" (for all you Americans out there).
Fact is, that even when you pronounce the object out, such as "NASA" you still capitalize all of it, because it's an acronym. If you applied your rules, then it become inconsistant, where anyone can say, "I say Yousah, so I can write it Usa".
If you like Gentoo or Knoppix because it "just works" then get an Apple. They "just work" all the time.
And you don't have to compile anything.
Every distro and OS has it's good points and it's bad points. I personally would be happy if I never had to compile my entire system just to install it.
Honestly, you don't gain that much performance. 80% of the time, you're executing 20% of the code. Spend the time optimizing that 20% on disk, (such as RH having seperate builds of the kernel and glibc for 386, 586, and 686) and you're pretty much set in everything you need.
I'm sick of everyone saying "XY sucks" and stuff, the whole damn argument is stupid. If it sucked, no one would use it.
ME?! I use Apple's OSX 10.3, RH, SUSE, and Windows, and I've used Solaris before. Each had their points, that I liked, and disliked.
Oh, and by the way, if you didn't notice "compile your whole system" was a frickin' hyperbole. He was just complaining about all the time you spend compiling shit.
Microsoft introduced DHCP on their NT server with Windows NT version 3.5 in late 1994. In addition to most server operating systems, many devices, like Ethernet routers and DSL routers, provide some sort of DHCP server.
Yes, but in America we view social healthcare as inferior, fair unemployment benefits as a drain on society, strikes as counter-productive actions by lazy people who want more money for what they already didn't really do, and the ability to fire without cause (and quit without cause) as a necessary protection of capatalist ideas.
I'm not saying I don't agree with you that social benefits are a good thing, just that I've had this arguement with my Dad, and other Americans many times, and they just refuse to see the justification of these expenses.
It's lunacy in my opinion, and the typical American ego, that we know what's right, and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
The screensaver including numerals, and some other characters that aren't in the first movie... but the laters include some odd characters that aren't katakana either.
Of course, it's also a good idea to point out that the katakana is backwards.
Although, from what I read and had been informed from (again from one of the guys who developed the technology) it's not meant for analysing poetic, and even specific prosaic pieces.
It can't grade creativity, and there you're dead on. But it's not being asked to grade creativity, it's being asked to grade essays, which deal specifically with predefined, and researched topics.
A failure to not use words correctly in an essay is a fundamental failure at the assignment. It's not wrong, it's just a failure at the assignment given.
Of course, this probably sounds like the tech response: "It's a problem."
I had a friend who, just to cover his track, during a completely logically inconclusive result, it would print out something like "Logic Failure: Reboot universe." or something like that.
I've put in a few messages like that... in that "If you're seeing this message, something has gone HORRIBLY wrong."
Of course, if that error is in date math, I respond back with something about "Smarch" gotta give props to the Simpsons for that one though.
Lisa: "It's the 13th day of the 13th month!" Homer: "Stupid Smarch weather."
Reminds me of a story with a tech support guy. Someone called him up, and he knew pretty much immediately that the power supply had burned out. But the guy wanted some sort of software solution to solve the problem. Eventually, the guy realized that the customer just wasn't going to pay attention that it was a hardware problem, and that he just needed to buy a new power supply.
He ended up telling the customer that the customer's power supply was probably incompatible with their newest POWER.EXE (this was back in the days of DOS) and that he'd have to buy a new one.
The customer was satisfied, problem was solved. I'd just hate to be the guy who he went to to buy the new one. "Yeah, my power supply is incompatible with some new software, and I need a new one." *shrug* here you go, sir.
I remember when I was getting DSL, and was going to hook up an old box with Linux installed on it to the connection to route for the rest of my machines.
I was informed very quickly that when I was asked what operating system I was using, to say a Mac. Because if you say Windows, you get a lot of proprietary Windows stuff, like an internal DSL modem that only works in Windows.
So, if you say "Mac" then they send you a router, and the Mac instructions are clear enough, that if you're accustomed to using Linux, you can glean your needed information from the Mac help.
To this day, I continue to say that. Even though my server (running Linux) is going to be connected to the real connection, I tell them that I'm using a Mac (and I have a Powerbook, just in case I need to "prove" it). And if the connection works for my Mac, it'll darn well work for my server.
Speaking of not touching anything. I had problems with my LRE (kind of like DSL, but over proprietary phonelines, instead of public phonelines)
I had a problem where my base wasn't talking to the central server. No link light, no nothing. They insist that I bring it down for them to look at, they confirm nothing is wrong with my base (I'm thinking maybe they thought I was an average student who didn't know how to setup an LRE base, which I had had last year, rather than one of the top students of the CS ugrad department).
Anyways, they actually treated me pretty decently, I was just a little frustrated that they couldn't take my word for what was wrong (that nothing was wrong on my end, and nothing was wrong on their server end, and so the problem had to be with the phonelines)
Eventually they came to my house to help me, and I arrived just as they had set it up. They had placed the LRE unit into my hub, and somehow determined that it worked (without having access to any of my computers, and when I had set up the network to be ONE computer attached directly to the LRE unit like they expect)
But no, they put the LRE unit into the hub, and made a horrible mess of my network trying to understand what the hell I was doing. Then they mention as I leave that "You're not allowed to have more than one connection to the LRE unit at a time, and it will definately block any more than two connections."
I didn't feel like explaining to them that I had a firewalled server that provided the internet to the rest of my machines. I just wanted the problem to be solved, which it was.
Pretty close. You don't need so much the grammar and spelling part. You need word usage. Which is much more important in any context than spelling and grammar.
We place so much pointed interest on spelling and grammar in school, because native English speakers have few problems with word usage, but rather with the formalized rules of spelling and formal grammar. (No one has real problems producing correct grammatical text/speech. It just usually doesn't agree with the formal rules that have been arbitrarily established for English)
Now, considering that your spelling and grammar need no be perfect, there's one point to conceed. You can write a complete piece of garbage that gets a good grade. But the people, who designed it, and tested it, have found that the only way to do this, is to have an extremely good grasp of the subject, since you have to synthesize garbage around the correct word usages.
I'd not say that with much authority without knowing the underlying technology.
Most automated essay grading is now done with Latent Semantic Analysis (if you read about it, the same stuff that Mail.app uses to catch Spam)
So the problem of writing a bad essay that recieves a good grade, becomes a similar problem to writing a piece of spam that won't get caught by a well trained Mail.app filter.
I'll let you in on how it works, as I ported some software that does exactly what this essay grader does, as work for a professor who worked on this stuff.
It's not a baysian filter, it's Latent Semantic Analysis. LSA works by taking large amounts of text, and comparing the usage and application of the words within paragraphs. It learns very quickly what words mean, and the interesting thing is, that once it's trained far enough, it starts gaining more meaning to its words by where they're not, than by where they are.
LSA has been put through a variety of tests. And has taken tests even. LSA has been shown to produce "average" results on a synonym test. ("A Doctor is: A) Nurse, B) Practitioner, C) Politician, D) Numerologist") Producing incorrect results mainly only when one word given is more associated (strongly linked) to the word than another more suitable word. Such as in my example, it would pick "Nurse" not "Practitioner" because it's seen Nurse used more often with Doctor.
LSA has been seriously tested by the designers to see if they could write a bad essay that gets a good grade. The answer? Yes, it's possible. But you have to REALLY know the subject well, (as you'd have to produce garbage that relates words accurately between each other) and a lot of time.
The recommended the best way to cheat the system, was to do your research, know your topic, and... write a good essay. Any other way requires too much effort, and a vastly superior knowledge of the subject.
Interesting is that this system can identify plagarism, give it two papers, and it looks how closely the papers match. This gets not just exact copies, but also paraphrased plagarism. The system doesn't really care what the words are, as it looks at their similarity. It could tell that "The doctor studied the patient." is just paraphrased "The practitioner examined his customer."
If train it right, it will even do this between two languages. It's also useful as a spam detector, as it will get "Enlarge your member" from just one marked "Make your dick bigger."
(So, I was told from the professor, Apple's Mail.app is supposed to use LSA)
For any interested. The professor at New Mexico State University was Peter Foltz, and some college up in Colorado was doing a lot of work on it also.
I looked at that. What's most interesting though, is that in the two screenshots brought into question showing the wine directories, you're exactly right.
The Home Directory in Konquerer changes COMPLETELY. At first it contains Desktop, and two directories, then in the next shot, it contains neither of the two directories, and a number of other ones.
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You should have been able to boot to your previous Mac OS 8 installation after having installed Mac OSX. As Mac OSX will very nicely co-exist on the same partition, and disk as OS8 and OS9. (As far as I'm aware)
:)
For best performance, always install OS9 before installing OSX, as then OSX will detect your OS9 during install, and provide you with immediate Classic interface, with minimal setup.
Such a BIOS limitation doesn't exist on later Macs, but that doesn't mean much to you, I know. Or to the many people who still have a BIOS in ROM. (Technically called OpenFirmware)
I think if someone had more experience with Macs, they could have performed the install much more easily than what you had done, but then I've done a lot of unnecessary installs of OS9, and OSX in my day just learning how to use it myself.
I bet half the information I gave here you already know from first hand experience just like me
Personally, I like having my OS9 partition seperate from my OSX partition, then I can start up to either just by rebooting and holding the OPTION buttton, rather than having to select system disks. OS9 has full access to my OSX partition, so I just install my games on to my significantly larger OSX partition, and just access them that way in OS9. While my OS9 sits there in a (mostly unused) 500MB or so partition.
Actually, it just supplies the partitioning.
It's like:
1) Boot from a Linux install CD
2) From the shell run fdisk, create your partitions, and reboot.
3) There is no step three.
True, it all looks short, but there's more to it than meets the eye. True, OSX's disk installer has a much better interface to it than fdisk, but it's still not anywhere near as blithly simple as he put it to be.
Essentially wrong. I have a 550MHz PowerBook G4, and I can hardly run Classic inside of OSX. It's slow, because dispite what you say about it only stubbing API calls, that's wrong.
The entire nature of how OS9 works, as compared to OSX, requires a bit of "virtualization" to watch out for commands that won't run in a non-priviledged environment. In OS9, all programs ran in priviledged state, and could do anything they wanted to. Thus the reason for all the crashes. In OSX, the programs all run in non-priviledged environments.
So, no it usually doesn't come down to a decent speed performance. Not to mention that a number of things required for, let's just say games, don't get "emulated" or "virtualized" or whatever correctly, and I've never been able to get decent performance out of them.
Then, not to mention, that in OSX the Classic environment itself is running in a true multi-tasked environment, so even if the program you were running underneath the Classic environment were to get 100% of Classic's running time (which is actually quite possible) it wouldn't be getting anywhere near that of the actual entirely available execution time.
I don't know... everytime I see ESA, I pronounce it "Eh-Es-Ah" (for all you Americans out there).
Fact is, that even when you pronounce the object out, such as "NASA" you still capitalize all of it, because it's an acronym. If you applied your rules, then it become inconsistant, where anyone can say, "I say Yousah, so I can write it Usa".
Your logic thusly fails.
If you like Gentoo or Knoppix because it "just works" then get an Apple. They "just work" all the time.
And you don't have to compile anything.
Every distro and OS has it's good points and it's bad points. I personally would be happy if I never had to compile my entire system just to install it.
Honestly, you don't gain that much performance. 80% of the time, you're executing 20% of the code. Spend the time optimizing that 20% on disk, (such as RH having seperate builds of the kernel and glibc for 386, 586, and 686) and you're pretty much set in everything you need.
I'm sick of everyone saying "XY sucks" and stuff, the whole damn argument is stupid. If it sucked, no one would use it.
ME?! I use Apple's OSX 10.3, RH, SUSE, and Windows, and I've used Solaris before. Each had their points, that I liked, and disliked.
Oh, and by the way, if you didn't notice "compile your whole system" was a frickin' hyperbole. He was just complaining about all the time you spend compiling shit.
www.signalnine.com has often had stories appear months before they appear on /.
Of course, we also don't post too much stuff normally, so it's I suppose a bit of one or the other.
I was lead astray by the grandparent of the parent post.
I repent my ways, but ask you to see how one could be lead to such a conclusion from the Wikipedia entry.
I should submit a patch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHCP
Yes, but in America we view social healthcare as inferior, fair unemployment benefits as a drain on society, strikes as counter-productive actions by lazy people who want more money for what they already didn't really do, and the ability to fire without cause (and quit without cause) as a necessary protection of capatalist ideas.
I'm not saying I don't agree with you that social benefits are a good thing, just that I've had this arguement with my Dad, and other Americans many times, and they just refuse to see the justification of these expenses.
It's lunacy in my opinion, and the typical American ego, that we know what's right, and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
Nice, I'd like one for Christmas if my parents are reading... oh wait, they're not geeks.
DOH!
The screensaver including numerals, and some other characters that aren't in the first movie... but the laters include some odd characters that aren't katakana either.
Of course, it's also a good idea to point out that the katakana is backwards.
CRAP! I've been out of regex's too long...
plus, I wasn't thinking... gr....
Hm... very true, and good point.
Although, from what I read and had been informed from (again from one of the guys who developed the technology) it's not meant for analysing poetic, and even specific prosaic pieces.
It can't grade creativity, and there you're dead on. But it's not being asked to grade creativity, it's being asked to grade essays, which deal specifically with predefined, and researched topics.
A failure to not use words correctly in an essay is a fundamental failure at the assignment. It's not wrong, it's just a failure at the assignment given.
Of course, this probably sounds like the tech response: "It's a problem."
I had a friend who, just to cover his track, during a completely logically inconclusive result, it would print out something like "Logic Failure: Reboot universe." or something like that.
I've put in a few messages like that... in that "If you're seeing this message, something has gone HORRIBLY wrong."
Of course, if that error is in date math, I respond back with something about "Smarch" gotta give props to the Simpsons for that one though.
Lisa: "It's the 13th day of the 13th month!"
Homer: "Stupid Smarch weather."
I noticed that same problem, I have a 15" Powerbook, and was frustrated at such a problem.
I'm happy to see that you helped get the problem fixed. I was just a lazy bum.
Reminds me of a story with a tech support guy. Someone called him up, and he knew pretty much immediately that the power supply had burned out. But the guy wanted some sort of software solution to solve the problem. Eventually, the guy realized that the customer just wasn't going to pay attention that it was a hardware problem, and that he just needed to buy a new power supply.
He ended up telling the customer that the customer's power supply was probably incompatible with their newest POWER.EXE (this was back in the days of DOS) and that he'd have to buy a new one.
The customer was satisfied, problem was solved. I'd just hate to be the guy who he went to to buy the new one. "Yeah, my power supply is incompatible with some new software, and I need a new one." *shrug* here you go, sir.
I remember when I was getting DSL, and was going to hook up an old box with Linux installed on it to the connection to route for the rest of my machines.
I was informed very quickly that when I was asked what operating system I was using, to say a Mac. Because if you say Windows, you get a lot of proprietary Windows stuff, like an internal DSL modem that only works in Windows.
So, if you say "Mac" then they send you a router, and the Mac instructions are clear enough, that if you're accustomed to using Linux, you can glean your needed information from the Mac help.
To this day, I continue to say that. Even though my server (running Linux) is going to be connected to the real connection, I tell them that I'm using a Mac (and I have a Powerbook, just in case I need to "prove" it). And if the connection works for my Mac, it'll darn well work for my server.
Speaking of not touching anything. I had problems with my LRE (kind of like DSL, but over proprietary phonelines, instead of public phonelines)
I had a problem where my base wasn't talking to the central server. No link light, no nothing. They insist that I bring it down for them to look at, they confirm nothing is wrong with my base (I'm thinking maybe they thought I was an average student who didn't know how to setup an LRE base, which I had had last year, rather than one of the top students of the CS ugrad department).
Anyways, they actually treated me pretty decently, I was just a little frustrated that they couldn't take my word for what was wrong (that nothing was wrong on my end, and nothing was wrong on their server end, and so the problem had to be with the phonelines)
Eventually they came to my house to help me, and I arrived just as they had set it up. They had placed the LRE unit into my hub, and somehow determined that it worked (without having access to any of my computers, and when I had set up the network to be ONE computer attached directly to the LRE unit like they expect)
But no, they put the LRE unit into the hub, and made a horrible mess of my network trying to understand what the hell I was doing. Then they mention as I leave that "You're not allowed to have more than one connection to the LRE unit at a time, and it will definately block any more than two connections."
I didn't feel like explaining to them that I had a firewalled server that provided the internet to the rest of my machines. I just wanted the problem to be solved, which it was.
Pretty close. You don't need so much the grammar and spelling part. You need word usage. Which is much more important in any context than spelling and grammar.
We place so much pointed interest on spelling and grammar in school, because native English speakers have few problems with word usage, but rather with the formalized rules of spelling and formal grammar. (No one has real problems producing correct grammatical text/speech. It just usually doesn't agree with the formal rules that have been arbitrarily established for English)
Now, considering that your spelling and grammar need no be perfect, there's one point to conceed. You can write a complete piece of garbage that gets a good grade. But the people, who designed it, and tested it, have found that the only way to do this, is to have an extremely good grasp of the subject, since you have to synthesize garbage around the correct word usages.
I'd not say that with much authority without knowing the underlying technology.
Most automated essay grading is now done with Latent Semantic Analysis (if you read about it, the same stuff that Mail.app uses to catch Spam)
So the problem of writing a bad essay that recieves a good grade, becomes a similar problem to writing a piece of spam that won't get caught by a well trained Mail.app filter.
The computer doesn't comprehend the human language. It just compares the usage and environment of words.
The syntax of the essay plays a lower role in the grading, that the evironment of the words that you do use.
Meaning AdLibs would turn out poorly, even though syntactically correct.
I didn't think it'd be nice to leave it as "Anal"
Having just glanced over the article that talks about how Mail.app's filter works.
Yes, this is Latent Semantic Analysis. Though they call it "Vector Representation".
LSA more relies on collapsing the dimensionality of the vectors down, so that words that are similar begin to be represented on the same dimensions.
Read up on that Mail.app article to get an idea of how LSA works.
I'll let you in on how it works, as I ported some software that does exactly what this essay grader does, as work for a professor who worked on this stuff.
It's not a baysian filter, it's Latent Semantic Analysis. LSA works by taking large amounts of text, and comparing the usage and application of the words within paragraphs. It learns very quickly what words mean, and the interesting thing is, that once it's trained far enough, it starts gaining more meaning to its words by where they're not, than by where they are.
LSA has been put through a variety of tests. And has taken tests even. LSA has been shown to produce "average" results on a synonym test. ("A Doctor is: A) Nurse, B) Practitioner, C) Politician, D) Numerologist") Producing incorrect results mainly only when one word given is more associated (strongly linked) to the word than another more suitable word. Such as in my example, it would pick "Nurse" not "Practitioner" because it's seen Nurse used more often with Doctor.
LSA has been seriously tested by the designers to see if they could write a bad essay that gets a good grade. The answer? Yes, it's possible. But you have to REALLY know the subject well, (as you'd have to produce garbage that relates words accurately between each other) and a lot of time.
The recommended the best way to cheat the system, was to do your research, know your topic, and... write a good essay. Any other way requires too much effort, and a vastly superior knowledge of the subject.
Interesting is that this system can identify plagarism, give it two papers, and it looks how closely the papers match. This gets not just exact copies, but also paraphrased plagarism. The system doesn't really care what the words are, as it looks at their similarity. It could tell that "The doctor studied the patient." is just paraphrased "The practitioner examined his customer."
If train it right, it will even do this between two languages. It's also useful as a spam detector, as it will get "Enlarge your member" from just one marked "Make your dick bigger."
(So, I was told from the professor, Apple's Mail.app is supposed to use LSA)
For any interested. The professor at New Mexico State University was Peter Foltz, and some college up in Colorado was doing a lot of work on it also.
I looked at that. What's most interesting though, is that in the two screenshots brought into question showing the wine directories, you're exactly right.
The Home Directory in Konquerer changes COMPLETELY. At first it contains Desktop, and two directories, then in the next shot, it contains neither of the two directories, and a number of other ones.
Something is fishy here.