Yeah, they're going to get hammered. Hammered by money showers which... hammer money down on their... heads. Or something. Batshit crazy? Batshit crazy like a fox!
While I am absolutely sure that Sony isn't thrilled with the PS3, I see no problem with them continuing to sell the PS2. It's making them a shitload of money, and it's a console sale that doesn't go to the Wii.
It's always astonishing to read comments from people who are still in denial. Wait for it, the PSP is going to overtake the DS any second now... waaait... waaaait for it...
Seriously though, of course Nintendo is working on the Wii 2, but I doubt they'll release it first. The way it looks right now, Sony will be forced to make a move first if PS3 games sill don't look better than 360 games in three years, and they don't manage to gain any ground. It's never the leader who releases a new console first, and Nintendo has been particularly conservative traditionally, so I would bet it won't be Nintendo.
Aiming works perfectly well if you calibrate the pointer. In fact, most modern arcade shooters don't use light guns at all, they use a similar mechanism to the one used by the Wii. Although the Zapper did look pretty stupid, I would have preferred a one-handed gun for stuff like the new Resident Evil.
Nothing Nintendo has shown today really rekindled my interest in my, dusty, Wii.
Mario Kart Online? No? really?
I can't really imagine what they could come out with for the system that will bring back that hype I felt late last year.
I think you're missing what created the hype in the first place. It wasn't you. It wasn't the gamers. It was the old people playing videogames for the first times in their lives. It was the parents, gaming with their kids. It was the kids, getting off the couch and jumping around. It was was the soccer moms, touching a videogame controller twenty years after they last played Pong.
The Wii Fitness thing may very well be huge. This may be the next Nintendogs, the next Brain Training, the next Wii Sports. The fact that most "hardcore" gamers don't really care doesn't factor in at all.
Metroid, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy may all seem like important games, but it's possible that they won't be able to compare to the importance of something casual like the Wii Balance Board.
It's not the same logic at all. People don't like Windows for technical reasons. They don't like Sony's DRM for moral reasons. Hence, not liking Windows but liking the 360 is possible, but hating Sony for the DRM implies that you hate the company, not a single product.
Well I disagree with the point about a movie being just as good in either format. If you take a movie I love, lets say Batman Begins, I'd much rather watch it on HD-DVD than regular DVD (be it upconverted or not).
But the DVD costs half as much and can be ripped to your Computer and watched on, say, a PSP. Also, you can take it to a friend and watch it at his place. You can't do that with a Blu-Ray or a HD-DVD.
I'm not saying a 1080p movie isn't impressive looking. I'm saying that at some point I forget to notice how 'crisp' it looks and start paying attention to the events unfolding in the movie.
Precisely. As far as quality goes, a movie is either good enough, or not good enough. If it's good enough, you stop noticing the quality after a while. DVDs are good enough.
I'd even say that VHS was good enough in most cases. DVD didn't win becuase the quality was better, but because you don't have to rewind them, and because the quality doesn't deteriorate each time you watch it.
I own a PS3, and the only Blu-Ray movie I own is Casino Royale. I got that for free with the console. Blu-Ray is neat, but I'm not going to pay twice as much for a movie I can't rip to my PSP.
Inflation doesn't count for technology. Tech becomes cheaper with time, not more expensive. The pricing sweet spot is 200 US$, and so far, none of the manufacturers have cracked it. I guess Nintendo will be the first to go below 200 US$ - as soon as they manage to ramp up production enough to meet demand.
Compare the library of the PS3 to what the Wii has for a fair comparison -- PS3 has far more games.
What? Gamerankings has 44 PS3 titles with at least 5 reviews, but 69 Wii titles with at least 5 reviews. My local game stores confirm this. The PS3 has half a shelf of games, the Wii has a full shelf.
Online games is similar. The Wii has over 100 games, the PS3 has a few dozen at most.
What. Wii games are painful on your HDTV? I think that must be an issue with your TV set, I've yet to experience any pain while playing these games. And you'd rather play Godfather on the PS3 than on the Wii? That's all kinds of insane.
Wait, let me guess, I just got trolled. Sorry about that.
For the record, Microsoft has not said it won't publish AO games, or Manhunt 2 in particular.
Yes, they have.
Though Manhunt 2 isn't slated for any of Microsoft's systems, the company has also confirmed that it does not allow AO-rated titles on the Xbox or Xbox 360. gamespot.com
How about over 100 of the best games released during the last 20 years?
They have some of their backcatalog up via VC, but alots of thats games we played 20 years ago that are easy ports.
They aren't ports, they are the original games, emulated. What difference does it make how hard it was to release them? The Wii has over 100 games, the PS3 has about a dozen.
The downside is you can't play these off a memory card,
Yeah, that sucks. Also, you only have a limited number of chanel slots you can fill.
and you have to buy additional hardware in the form of a GCN or classic controller to play alot of them.
GCN controllers cost like five bucks, and you want them anyway to play GCN games.
Toss in the total lack of any worthwhile online play of any sort, and i'd say Sony's got the leg up on them here.
The total lack of any worthwhile online play? I must have been playing Mario Strikers online in my dreams, then.
Have you ever talked about the finer points of a movie, book or TV show with your parents?
No. My parents read books to me, but we hardly ever watched TV at all. We usually went out and did something outside when we did somthing as a family. Please note that you're kind of making my point: You implicitly admit that the act of watching a movie with your family doesn't really qualify as important. It's discussing the act of watching which is the actual "family activity." Why not start out by doing something better to begin with, then?
You mentioned Ico and SoC, both of which classify as some of the most dramatic cinematic in any video game.
Sure, fighting a Colossus is a dramatic cinematic experience, but the rest of the time, you're basically running around in an empty world doing nothing.
Not sure what your issue is with the controls of Ico since I have played it and read many reviews and never heard one complaint about the controls until now.
It feels like a first attempt at a 3D game. As if it was meant for the PS1. The control is awkward. I guess this was okay back when it came out, but the game just doesn't hold up. Oh, and it has some really ugly graphics.
My point is not that these games are bad, but that they are not really too great, but people always bring them up as some of the best PS2 games.
Yeah, I missed GoW, the Jak games and the Ratchet and Clank games. I'll probably check them out. I do have Katamari and Okami. Okami is awesome, one of the best games I've ever played. Katamari is, well... an acquired taste, I guess. It's original and it's fun, but its not really such a great game. Haven't played Culdcept or Dark Cloud, I'll have to check them ou.
The PS3 has three good online games: Stardust, Calling all Cars and Rampage. The Wii has dozens. I own both, and right now, I'm putting a lot of time into Stardust, but all in all, the Wii's online offering is much, much better than the PS3's, even without any new games.
It's funny how the commenters can't even make up their minds what exactly this mythical "hardcore gamer" is. GTA is a hardcore game! But no, a lot of girls play it, and it sold a quantillion copies, so it must be a casual game. Bejeweled is hardcore, because people are obsessed with it and play it for days at a time! But it's an online flash game! It can't be hardcore!
People think FPS are hardcore, but FPS are one of the most common genres. How can FPS be hardcore if everyone plays them?
I consider myself a hardcore gamer. I own about 50 consoles. I own three Arcade Cabinets. And what consoles get the most playtime? The DS and the Wii. I'm playing Animal Crossing and Brain Training and Wii Sports and Wario Ware and Mario Party 8. I'm playing games that are supposed to be for casual gamers! Shame on me!
Meh. This whole "Harcore vs. Casual" argument is bullshit. Developers and Publishers are starting to figure out that there is a sizeable amount of people out there who like games other than FPS. And they're starting to make games for them. But this isn't taking anything away from all the people who want FPS and car racing and shooting aliens: It's making the market larger. If you look at the sales numbers for consoles, the PS3 is selling almost as well as the PS2. The 360 is selling as well as the Xbox. So the market for these consoles isn't shrinking. Yet, the Wii is selling as much as the other two combined. What does that tell us? It tells us that the traditional genres aren't being pushed aside by the new games. They are entering the market in addition to the old genres. We hardcore gamers must not be afraid of Brain Training and Nintendogs. There is no shame in playing these games, and buying Wii Play does not mean that you can't also enjoy Gears of War and Motorstorm.
Let's not be whiny and afraid. Let's be happy that we have more choice, and that our hobby is being enjoyed by more people. Maybe normal people will start laughing at Jack Thompson once they've put hours into Brain Training and Nintendogs, and maybe even played a few rounds of Metroid Prime: Hunters (because who says that casual gamers aren't allowed to try out a few "hardcore" games, too? who knows, this might actually increase the market for "hardcore" games!) and have found out that games are normal pastime and not the work of satan.
The PS2 was the only console in the households because it had far and away the best games of the era.
I just don't see it. I've never owned a PS2, but I bought a PS3 and I'm now buying all the games I've missed. I bought about two dozen PS2 games - the games that everyone considers the cream of the crop of PS2 gaming - and so far, I'm disappointed. Stuff like Ico, which is supposed to be super awesome, seems borderline unplayable due to the botched control. A lot of games have incredibly bad graphics because (it seems) the PS2 is not capable of antialiasing textures, which leads to swimmy or flickering textures and really hurts the mood of games like Shadof of the Colossus (and why this game got such high ratings I'll never know, you're basically riding your horse through an empty level until you find a huge enemy which promptly kills you). Another fan favourite, God Hand, just seems weird and bland.
Now, there are games I will not play which are probably awesome. I don't think I'll ever play a Final Fantasy. Those games just scare me. I'm afraid if I started playing one, I'd have to play all of them, thereby deleting hundreds of hours of my life. But all in all, I just don't feel the PS2 has too many really great games - 99% of its library consists of boring sequels, uninspired copies of genre leaders, sports games, FPS and movie licenses.
Frankly, I don't think people who owned a Cube missed that much during the last gen, but people who didn't own one missed a few great games.
There are several reasons why the PS2 won - first mover advantage, price, sheer number of games - but the quality of the games just doesn't seem to be the reason.
but then you threw out that playing the Wii was a family activity and you lost everyone.
I'd say that playing Wii (or any console, really, but particularly the Wii) is a "good" family activity because it involves communication, learning how to cope with winning and losing, and learning how to share. Watching a movie, however, is a rather mindless, "selfish" activity.
I'm not saying that you should not watch movies with your kids, and I'm certainly not saying that gaming is better than going out and playing soccer or climbing a tree or learning how to ride a bike, but I am saying that watching a movie with your kids tends towards the "unhealthy" side, and playing games tends towards the "healthy" side, in my opinion.
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Yeah, they're going to get hammered. Hammered by money showers which... hammer money down on their... heads. Or something. Batshit crazy? Batshit crazy like a fox!
While I am absolutely sure that Sony isn't thrilled with the PS3, I see no problem with them continuing to sell the PS2. It's making them a shitload of money, and it's a console sale that doesn't go to the Wii.
It's always astonishing to read comments from people who are still in denial. Wait for it, the PSP is going to overtake the DS any second now... waaait... waaaait for it...
Seriously though, of course Nintendo is working on the Wii 2, but I doubt they'll release it first. The way it looks right now, Sony will be forced to make a move first if PS3 games sill don't look better than 360 games in three years, and they don't manage to gain any ground. It's never the leader who releases a new console first, and Nintendo has been particularly conservative traditionally, so I would bet it won't be Nintendo.
Aiming works perfectly well if you calibrate the pointer. In fact, most modern arcade shooters don't use light guns at all, they use a similar mechanism to the one used by the Wii. Although the Zapper did look pretty stupid, I would have preferred a one-handed gun for stuff like the new Resident Evil.
Mario Kart Online? No? really?
I think you're missing what created the hype in the first place. It wasn't you. It wasn't the gamers. It was the old people playing videogames for the first times in their lives. It was the parents, gaming with their kids. It was the kids, getting off the couch and jumping around. It was was the soccer moms, touching a videogame controller twenty years after they last played Pong.
The Wii Fitness thing may very well be huge. This may be the next Nintendogs, the next Brain Training, the next Wii Sports. The fact that most "hardcore" gamers don't really care doesn't factor in at all.
Metroid, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy may all seem like important games, but it's possible that they won't be able to compare to the importance of something casual like the Wii Balance Board.
It's not the same logic at all. People don't like Windows for technical reasons. They don't like Sony's DRM for moral reasons. Hence, not liking Windows but liking the 360 is possible, but hating Sony for the DRM implies that you hate the company, not a single product.
But the DVD costs half as much and can be ripped to your Computer and watched on, say, a PSP. Also, you can take it to a friend and watch it at his place. You can't do that with a Blu-Ray or a HD-DVD.
Precisely. As far as quality goes, a movie is either good enough, or not good enough. If it's good enough, you stop noticing the quality after a while. DVDs are good enough.
I'd even say that VHS was good enough in most cases. DVD didn't win becuase the quality was better, but because you don't have to rewind them, and because the quality doesn't deteriorate each time you watch it.
I own a PS3, and the only Blu-Ray movie I own is Casino Royale. I got that for free with the console. Blu-Ray is neat, but I'm not going to pay twice as much for a movie I can't rip to my PSP.
Inflation doesn't count for technology. Tech becomes cheaper with time, not more expensive. The pricing sweet spot is 200 US$, and so far, none of the manufacturers have cracked it. I guess Nintendo will be the first to go below 200 US$ - as soon as they manage to ramp up production enough to meet demand.
What? Gamerankings has 44 PS3 titles with at least 5 reviews, but 69 Wii titles with at least 5 reviews. My local game stores confirm this. The PS3 has half a shelf of games, the Wii has a full shelf.
Online games is similar. The Wii has over 100 games, the PS3 has a few dozen at most.
What a fascinating discovery. Somebody alert Alan Turing!
What. Wii games are painful on your HDTV? I think that must be an issue with your TV set, I've yet to experience any pain while playing these games. And you'd rather play Godfather on the PS3 than on the Wii? That's all kinds of insane.
Wait, let me guess, I just got trolled. Sorry about that.
"Fortunate"? "Managing"? You make it sound as if it was surprising that Nintendo is making money. It's not. That's what they've always done.
Yes, they have.
Though Manhunt 2 isn't slated for any of Microsoft's systems, the company has also confirmed that it does not allow AO-rated titles on the Xbox or Xbox 360.
gamespot.com
Let me guess, you're 15 years old and desperately trying to pretend to be an adult.
It's not working, by the way.
They will appear in 2008, but it's true, as of now, they don't have any original games (unless you count "Everybody Votes" :-).
Au contraire. If it seems random, you can be pretty damn sure it isn't.
How about over 100 of the best games released during the last 20 years?
They have some of their backcatalog up via VC, but alots of thats games we played 20 years ago that are easy ports.They aren't ports, they are the original games, emulated. What difference does it make how hard it was to release them? The Wii has over 100 games, the PS3 has about a dozen.
The downside is you can't play these off a memory card,Yeah, that sucks. Also, you only have a limited number of chanel slots you can fill.
and you have to buy additional hardware in the form of a GCN or classic controller to play alot of them.GCN controllers cost like five bucks, and you want them anyway to play GCN games.
Toss in the total lack of any worthwhile online play of any sort, and i'd say Sony's got the leg up on them here.The total lack of any worthwhile online play? I must have been playing Mario Strikers online in my dreams, then.
No. My parents read books to me, but we hardly ever watched TV at all. We usually went out and did something outside when we did somthing as a family. Please note that you're kind of making my point: You implicitly admit that the act of watching a movie with your family doesn't really qualify as important. It's discussing the act of watching which is the actual "family activity." Why not start out by doing something better to begin with, then?
Sure, fighting a Colossus is a dramatic cinematic experience, but the rest of the time, you're basically running around in an empty world doing nothing.
It feels like a first attempt at a 3D game. As if it was meant for the PS1. The control is awkward. I guess this was okay back when it came out, but the game just doesn't hold up. Oh, and it has some really ugly graphics.
My point is not that these games are bad, but that they are not really too great, but people always bring them up as some of the best PS2 games.
Yeah, I missed GoW, the Jak games and the Ratchet and Clank games. I'll probably check them out. I do have Katamari and Okami. Okami is awesome, one of the best games I've ever played. Katamari is, well... an acquired taste, I guess. It's original and it's fun, but its not really such a great game. Haven't played Culdcept or Dark Cloud, I'll have to check them ou.
With regards to Sony? No. No, definitely not. Arrogance all the way.
The PS3 has three good online games: Stardust, Calling all Cars and Rampage. The Wii has dozens. I own both, and right now, I'm putting a lot of time into Stardust, but all in all, the Wii's online offering is much, much better than the PS3's, even without any new games.
It's funny how the commenters can't even make up their minds what exactly this mythical "hardcore gamer" is. GTA is a hardcore game! But no, a lot of girls play it, and it sold a quantillion copies, so it must be a casual game. Bejeweled is hardcore, because people are obsessed with it and play it for days at a time! But it's an online flash game! It can't be hardcore!
People think FPS are hardcore, but FPS are one of the most common genres. How can FPS be hardcore if everyone plays them?
I consider myself a hardcore gamer. I own about 50 consoles. I own three Arcade Cabinets. And what consoles get the most playtime? The DS and the Wii. I'm playing Animal Crossing and Brain Training and Wii Sports and Wario Ware and Mario Party 8. I'm playing games that are supposed to be for casual gamers! Shame on me!
Meh. This whole "Harcore vs. Casual" argument is bullshit. Developers and Publishers are starting to figure out that there is a sizeable amount of people out there who like games other than FPS. And they're starting to make games for them. But this isn't taking anything away from all the people who want FPS and car racing and shooting aliens: It's making the market larger. If you look at the sales numbers for consoles, the PS3 is selling almost as well as the PS2. The 360 is selling as well as the Xbox. So the market for these consoles isn't shrinking. Yet, the Wii is selling as much as the other two combined. What does that tell us? It tells us that the traditional genres aren't being pushed aside by the new games. They are entering the market in addition to the old genres. We hardcore gamers must not be afraid of Brain Training and Nintendogs. There is no shame in playing these games, and buying Wii Play does not mean that you can't also enjoy Gears of War and Motorstorm.
Let's not be whiny and afraid. Let's be happy that we have more choice, and that our hobby is being enjoyed by more people. Maybe normal people will start laughing at Jack Thompson once they've put hours into Brain Training and Nintendogs, and maybe even played a few rounds of Metroid Prime: Hunters (because who says that casual gamers aren't allowed to try out a few "hardcore" games, too? who knows, this might actually increase the market for "hardcore" games!) and have found out that games are normal pastime and not the work of satan.
I just don't see it. I've never owned a PS2, but I bought a PS3 and I'm now buying all the games I've missed. I bought about two dozen PS2 games - the games that everyone considers the cream of the crop of PS2 gaming - and so far, I'm disappointed. Stuff like Ico, which is supposed to be super awesome, seems borderline unplayable due to the botched control. A lot of games have incredibly bad graphics because (it seems) the PS2 is not capable of antialiasing textures, which leads to swimmy or flickering textures and really hurts the mood of games like Shadof of the Colossus (and why this game got such high ratings I'll never know, you're basically riding your horse through an empty level until you find a huge enemy which promptly kills you). Another fan favourite, God Hand, just seems weird and bland.
Now, there are games I will not play which are probably awesome. I don't think I'll ever play a Final Fantasy. Those games just scare me. I'm afraid if I started playing one, I'd have to play all of them, thereby deleting hundreds of hours of my life. But all in all, I just don't feel the PS2 has too many really great games - 99% of its library consists of boring sequels, uninspired copies of genre leaders, sports games, FPS and movie licenses.
Frankly, I don't think people who owned a Cube missed that much during the last gen, but people who didn't own one missed a few great games.
There are several reasons why the PS2 won - first mover advantage, price, sheer number of games - but the quality of the games just doesn't seem to be the reason.
I'd say that playing Wii (or any console, really, but particularly the Wii) is a "good" family activity because it involves communication, learning how to cope with winning and losing, and learning how to share. Watching a movie, however, is a rather mindless, "selfish" activity.
I'm not saying that you should not watch movies with your kids, and I'm certainly not saying that gaming is better than going out and playing soccer or climbing a tree or learning how to ride a bike, but I am saying that watching a movie with your kids tends towards the "unhealthy" side, and playing games tends towards the "healthy" side, in my opinion.