I do think it is a good thing to support this new VB environment with pretensions of C and java on multiple platforms.
I think you got that right - although its heritage is definitely Java, after using it, its pretty much VB++. I wonder how popular it would be with the non-MS users if they released just VB and Pascal language bindings?
only MS has said they will not sue Novell, or people who downloaded from their 'partner'. So you, with your copy of it on say, debian, is fully open to being sued as MS was always clear that debian developers do not enjoy the same patent-partnership agreement they have with Novell.
I'm not a lawyer either, but regardless of what the law is - a MS lawsuit would tie you up in knots for so long the final result wouldn't really matter.
I don;t think your stage 1 makes too much sense in a Windows world - I think you're approaching it from the Linux POV, which says open source is good because it reduces your overall costs for developing new features. MS would not open the Windows source any more than they already have, they don't even need to put new features in.
What I think they do need to do is allow multiple versions available for install on virtual hosts, possibly give the OS away for free (either implicitly in that they won't care if you pirate it unless you're selling your pirate copies, or explicitly). New features will then become shifted to the Office team (who already have a track record of doing things their way anyway - look at all the controls, libraries and even frameworks that Office team did first that then found their way into Windows). You're got to have a reason to buy Office after all!
Stage 5.. well, if they come to give Office away, you can guarantee it'll be a Word Home Express edition, maybe even Home Premium, Professional and Ultimate. (ah, except they already have those tiers!)
but ultimately, after playing my my mate's new eeePC, sod 'em - the linux OS he had was great, even if it did run those blocky Gnome dialogs:)
you forgot the other feature the others don't have - the ability to "share" memory pages so you can fit more guests on a single server. Works especially well when you use a guest as a snapshot base for other guests.
Nice idea, but I don;t think it'd really fly in the real world.
So, how about we just go with something slightly more easy to implement: a standard base of where stuff goes. (yes, I know the LSB). So far m biggest problems with Linux is trying to remember where this distro has put something, and what it's called it - eg apache on 2 different distros will be called different names (eg apache, httpd), run as different users (apache, nobody, httpd), and have its config put in different places (ok, usually it does go into/etc/httpd but other ones go all over the damn place).
Just the above would make a huge difference to Linux standardisation without having to stomp on people's independent choices.
interestingly, I've just looked here on my work box....
I have Microsoft DRM (twice), Office Genuine Advantage and Windows genuine Advantage. Windows Media player plugin Windows Presentation Foundation 2007 Microsoft Office system
Now, I'm sure I did install the Genuine advantage apps, but none of the others.
It sounds like its there to aid Visual Studio in prototyping web apps with firefox (for those who use firefox) and other general junks.. it's not exactly a trojan
Well, if you don't know what it is, surely its ok.... I think that's called security-through-obscurity (or ignorance?):)
ClickOnce is a technology that allows.NET applications to be downloaded and run on the user's PC with a single click. Its MS's way of getting a "rich user interface" in your browser without having to worry about pesky things like security dialogs (you have to buy a certificate from MS for a year in order to allow this though - see they have thought long and hard about it). Unfortunately, it also allows these.NET apps to be downloaded and run as non-browser, offline, applications.
They say its secure, but I'm not that convinced. Especially as the application can be mandated to be updated by the publisher without further notification to the end-user.
For those of you who are assuming it's probably safe (and admittedly, you're probably right)
the problem isn't this software in itself (though its pretty bad that the OP got it installed without realising), the software works as a deployment technology - from wikipedia "ClickOnce enables the user to install and run a Windows application by just clicking a link in a web page."
So, once you have this software, its an open-door to installing thin-client.NET applications with just a single click. And we all know how well that'll work out!
they don't want you to accidentally buy a Zune, or Windows 7. ClickOnce is a deployment techno... oh, hang on.. suddenly I'm not sure I got the first bit right.
except that you've forgotten the distillery will be working regardless of whether if can generate electricity from the left-overs, or if they were the equivalent of nuclear waste. This is 9000 homes worth of additional energy that we didn't have before.
How is it for example possible for Microsoft do demand premium for XP on workstations while at the same time they sell it for spare change in the netbook market
I think YAATL (yet another anti-trust lawsuit) is coming on:)
Or if an IDE takes 1 vs 2 seconds to load the popup showing class variables/methods.
The IDE I use (Visual Studio) used to take next to no time to do everything, and we did without intellisense - we remembered what was what, or looked it up in the header files. Now, it takes 5 seconds to pop the menus, if it pops at all.
Its not so much that the vastly better hardware I have (1.7Ghz 1Gb v 2x 3Ghz 3Gb) has given me no benefit (except that I *can* run the new versions), but that it simply hasn't made me more productive. Even though I have 3gb RAM I still don't like running more that 3 instances of VS, whereas before I could run 5+ instances without worry and debug using 3 of them simultaneously. I'd never dream of doing that now.
As you get more information presented to you, you just stop trying to think for yourself (I know many people say that frees you to think of other things, I'm not convinced losing the discipline that used to be required has freed people to just hack code together making them overall less productive).
On the other hand, going from 10 seconds to 5 seconds in Photoshop is a fair point, but... a 5 second delay is still long enough to be 'too long' - ie you'd still sit back and wait for the results, so I don't think that's a productivity gain either. Its a bit like vodeo processing where once, you'd do it overnight. Now it takes a tenth of the time... but that's still an hour, so you still end up doing it overnight.
The software manufacturers have just conned us into buying more of their stuff, and incresed the electricity burden for the environment at the same time. Modern computing should be classed as electronic SUVs.
We need to get better efficiency, you need to run a 5 year old version of your software, and then your few seconds per task saving on modern hardware would disappear in something that worked so instantly, you'd suffer from productivity overload!:)
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Many customers didn't ask for the new features, my company had a choice: upgrade to Office 2007 (we're on a gold partnership thingy) or pay to keep using 2003, at a total cost of £400,000 (for the european region).
so now IT is kept busy telling people where the print menu option is hiding, and why the apps look so different to every other windows app, not to mention what MS Groove and OneNote do.
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2) and that you don't need teraflops of CPU/GPU power just to draw greasepaper-style borders around your Microsoft Word windows
You're dead right there. I always wondered why I could play games a few years ago that had some stunning graphics, yet ran very well on a 900Mhz PC with 256MB ram; yet Vista needs 1Gb and a graphics card that's better than that old spec just to draw a poxy bit of transparent titlebar.
I'd blame the managed.NET stuff, but the WDDM is native! Makes the inefficiency even worse.
true, but don't think that the need to drive sales will reduce the prices. If companies replace in 5 years, then you will see the cost of a new PC rise as HP et al try to keep their profits (and if they all do, they will), plus the cost of importing from China is rising, which gives them that excuse to raise prices.
In fact, lets go the whole hog and make a Prequel.
We can have an early prototype replicant, maybe with big ears and a lisp; a hot chick - playing the original Sean Young; an evil corporate manager who subverts the original scientists and managers, betraying them to turn a humanitarian Tyrell company into a defence contractor-corporation with a production line consisting solely of pleasure units and soldiers; and it wouldn't be complete without a ton of modern, glossy CGI effects - no dark shadows and definitely no smoking!
Or maybe you're just posting a negative review because you work for the competition?:-)
perhaps the way to fix this is for competitors to use the negative press generated from this to discredit them, if Mozy said not to bother with them because you can never trust them anymore, I'm sure it'd be a good campaign:)
(notice my link is the referral, they give me even more space that I won't use - remove if you're not happy with it, but I'm a very happy customer of Mozy, and I don't even work for them!)
no,no. I get the 'over the head thing', I've posted such things myself. I don't get the joke in the first place. Is "MS inventing the internet" something American that hasn't carried overseas, is it an Al Gore thing, I just don't recognise what it's referring to:(
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I do think it is a good thing to support this new VB environment with pretensions of C and java on multiple platforms.
I think you got that right - although its heritage is definitely Java, after using it, its pretty much VB++. I wonder how popular it would be with the non-MS users if they released just VB and Pascal language bindings?
only MS has said they will not sue Novell, or people who downloaded from their 'partner'. So you, with your copy of it on say, debian, is fully open to being sued as MS was always clear that debian developers do not enjoy the same patent-partnership agreement they have with Novell.
I'm not a lawyer either, but regardless of what the law is - a MS lawsuit would tie you up in knots for so long the final result wouldn't really matter.
I don;t think your stage 1 makes too much sense in a Windows world - I think you're approaching it from the Linux POV, which says open source is good because it reduces your overall costs for developing new features. MS would not open the Windows source any more than they already have, they don't even need to put new features in.
What I think they do need to do is allow multiple versions available for install on virtual hosts, possibly give the OS away for free (either implicitly in that they won't care if you pirate it unless you're selling your pirate copies, or explicitly). New features will then become shifted to the Office team (who already have a track record of doing things their way anyway - look at all the controls, libraries and even frameworks that Office team did first that then found their way into Windows). You're got to have a reason to buy Office after all!
Stage 5.. well, if they come to give Office away, you can guarantee it'll be a Word Home Express edition, maybe even Home Premium, Professional and Ultimate. (ah, except they already have those tiers!)
but ultimately, after playing my my mate's new eeePC, sod 'em - the linux OS he had was great, even if it did run those blocky Gnome dialogs :)
you forgot the other feature the others don't have - the ability to "share" memory pages so you can fit more guests on a single server. Works especially well when you use a guest as a snapshot base for other guests.
Nice idea, but I don;t think it'd really fly in the real world.
So, how about we just go with something slightly more easy to implement: a standard base of where stuff goes. (yes, I know the LSB). So far m biggest problems with Linux is trying to remember where this distro has put something, and what it's called it - eg apache on 2 different distros will be called different names (eg apache, httpd), run as different users (apache, nobody, httpd), and have its config put in different places (ok, usually it does go into /etc/httpd but other ones go all over the damn place).
Just the above would make a huge difference to Linux standardisation without having to stomp on people's independent choices.
interestingly, I've just looked here on my work box....
I have Microsoft DRM (twice),
Office Genuine Advantage and Windows genuine Advantage.
Windows Media player plugin
Windows Presentation Foundation
2007 Microsoft Office system
Now, I'm sure I did install the Genuine advantage apps, but none of the others.
It sounds like its there to aid Visual Studio in prototyping web apps with firefox (for those who use firefox) and other general junks.. it's not exactly a trojan
Well, if you don't know what it is, surely its ok.... I think that's called security-through-obscurity (or ignorance?) :)
ClickOnce is a technology that allows .NET applications to be downloaded and run on the user's PC with a single click. Its MS's way of getting a "rich user interface" in your browser without having to worry about pesky things like security dialogs (you have to buy a certificate from MS for a year in order to allow this though - see they have thought long and hard about it). Unfortunately, it also allows these .NET apps to be downloaded and run as non-browser, offline, applications.
They say its secure, but I'm not that convinced. Especially as the application can be mandated to be updated by the publisher without further notification to the end-user.
For those of you who are assuming it's probably safe (and admittedly, you're probably right)
the problem isn't this software in itself (though its pretty bad that the OP got it installed without realising), the software works as a deployment technology - from wikipedia "ClickOnce enables the user to install and run a Windows application by just clicking a link in a web page."
So, once you have this software, its an open-door to installing thin-client .NET applications with just a single click. And we all know how well that'll work out!
they don't want you to accidentally buy a Zune, or Windows 7. ClickOnce is a deployment techno... oh, hang on.. suddenly I'm not sure I got the first bit right.
This will make all Microsoft users beta testers, and Win7 SP1 will be the real release version
Just like Vista, only Vista had 2 additional test releases first. Sounds like its going to work fine.. :)
All in all, that little psychological quirk of the human race works out quite well for us guys.
and lesbians.
Pity the poor gay blokes though, everywhere they look its just breasts :-)
I'm a man, and I only pay attention to those ads targetted at women. Especially the shower gel, bikini and lingerie ones.
next case: Microsoft v Andrew Tridgell.
except that you've forgotten the distillery will be working regardless of whether if can generate electricity from the left-overs, or if they were the equivalent of nuclear waste. This is 9000 homes worth of additional energy that we didn't have before.
Well, just imagine if they found a way to generate electricity from rainfall - Scotland would become a energy exporter to, well, everyone :-)
How is it for example possible for Microsoft do demand premium for XP on workstations while at the same time they sell it for spare change in the netbook market
I think YAATL (yet another anti-trust lawsuit) is coming on :)
Or if an IDE takes 1 vs 2 seconds to load the popup showing class variables/methods.
The IDE I use (Visual Studio) used to take next to no time to do everything, and we did without intellisense - we remembered what was what, or looked it up in the header files. Now, it takes 5 seconds to pop the menus, if it pops at all.
Its not so much that the vastly better hardware I have (1.7Ghz 1Gb v 2x 3Ghz 3Gb) has given me no benefit (except that I *can* run the new versions), but that it simply hasn't made me more productive. Even though I have 3gb RAM I still don't like running more that 3 instances of VS, whereas before I could run 5+ instances without worry and debug using 3 of them simultaneously. I'd never dream of doing that now.
As you get more information presented to you, you just stop trying to think for yourself (I know many people say that frees you to think of other things, I'm not convinced losing the discipline that used to be required has freed people to just hack code together making them overall less productive).
On the other hand, going from 10 seconds to 5 seconds in Photoshop is a fair point, but ... a 5 second delay is still long enough to be 'too long' - ie you'd still sit back and wait for the results, so I don't think that's a productivity gain either. Its a bit like vodeo processing where once, you'd do it overnight. Now it takes a tenth of the time... but that's still an hour, so you still end up doing it overnight.
The software manufacturers have just conned us into buying more of their stuff, and incresed the electricity burden for the environment at the same time. Modern computing should be classed as electronic SUVs.
We need to get better efficiency, you need to run a 5 year old version of your software, and then your few seconds per task saving on modern hardware would disappear in something that worked so instantly, you'd suffer from productivity overload! :)
Many customers didn't ask for the new features, my company had a choice: upgrade to Office 2007 (we're on a gold partnership thingy) or pay to keep using 2003, at a total cost of £400,000 (for the european region).
so now IT is kept busy telling people where the print menu option is hiding, and why the apps look so different to every other windows app, not to mention what MS Groove and OneNote do.
2) and that you don't need teraflops of CPU/GPU power just to draw greasepaper-style borders around your Microsoft Word windows
You're dead right there. I always wondered why I could play games a few years ago that had some stunning graphics, yet ran very well on a 900Mhz PC with 256MB ram; yet Vista needs 1Gb and a graphics card that's better than that old spec just to draw a poxy bit of transparent titlebar.
I'd blame the managed .NET stuff, but the WDDM is native! Makes the inefficiency even worse.
true, but don't think that the need to drive sales will reduce the prices. If companies replace in 5 years, then you will see the cost of a new PC rise as HP et al try to keep their profits (and if they all do, they will), plus the cost of importing from China is rising, which gives them that excuse to raise prices.
In fact, lets go the whole hog and make a Prequel.
We can have an early prototype replicant, maybe with big ears and a lisp; a hot chick - playing the original Sean Young; an evil corporate manager who subverts the original scientists and managers, betraying them to turn a humanitarian Tyrell company into a defence contractor-corporation with a production line consisting solely of pleasure units and soldiers; and it wouldn't be complete without a ton of modern, glossy CGI effects - no dark shadows and definitely no smoking!
It'd be a huge box-office hit.
What could possibly go wrong?!?!!?
How long have you been running 4.2? Have you submitted any bug reports or contributed in testing? No? Then you have no right to bitch about it.
You must be new here.
KDE 4.2 is possibly the best thing for Linux since the kernel, but that doesn't mean we still can't bitch about the most minor, picky, features.
Now, stop bitching and go fix something. :-)
Or maybe you're just posting a negative review because you work for the competition? :-)
perhaps the way to fix this is for competitors to use the negative press generated from this to discredit them, if Mozy said not to bother with them because you can never trust them anymore, I'm sure it'd be a good campaign :)
(notice my link is the referral, they give me even more space that I won't use - remove if you're not happy with it, but I'm a very happy customer of Mozy, and I don't even work for them!)
no,no. I get the 'over the head thing', I've posted such things myself. I don't get the joke in the first place. Is "MS inventing the internet" something American that hasn't carried overseas, is it an Al Gore thing, I just don't recognise what it's referring to :(
I guess I didn't get the reference. Is it an American thing?