Well XP won't respect an existing Linux install, if you install it after Linux then you can guarantee there won't be a Linux entry in your boot menu;)
Still, this is a very serious problem. From what I've heard it seems to be a problem mainly with dual boot where you have each OS on a separate drive, rather than both on the same partitioned drive.
I finally got mine working by reversing the drives that grub thought everything was on. Windows was on primary master, and I installed Fedora on primary slave. Rebooted and it was dead. It turned out that setting grub to point at hd1 for Windows and hd0 for Fedora got things working. I have no idea why.
Windows still doesn't work, I think the Wndows bootloader that grub forwards on to has been corrupted, but I haven't looked into this in detail yet, I was lucky that most of my data storage is on my house server.
Blunket has said explicitly that ID cards will essentially become the primary key for all government databases. They're trying to bring all 'citizen' data together into one big database, which can be accessed by all gov't departments. The proposed scheme has little in the way of safeguards against dodgy officials accessing data they shouldn't. In fact this is already a problem since the RIP act.
More to the point *install apt from fedora.us!!!*. Excellent a job as Dag, Freshrpms, newrpms etc do, you won't necessarily get the packages that have been customised to integrate with Fedora (Firefox and Thunderbird's integration with preferred apps springs to mind). If you include other repos in their sources list then they'll end up replacing your apt with theirs, god help you if you get atrpms, which seems to default to giving you unstable rpms.
Also, get them mplayer for fc2 from freshrpms. Flash + mp3 support won't be included by setting upa sources list, so manually install the xmms-mp3 package, and use the flash auto install from macromedia for Firefox.
So: Apt from fedora.us xmms-mp3 Firefox and Thunderbird (from fedora.us) Set up flash through Firefox.
How many times do people like you have to be corrected before you get it?
There's nothing wrong with integrating your browser with your desktop. It's when you do so in a way that can't be undone to leverage your monopoly position to kill off a competitor that it becomes bad.
Also, I suspect being a journalist you would have a better idea of who to ring for various information, as research is a fairly important part of journalism.
Actually, as the downloader you're probably not breaking the copyright at least in the states, as you're not doing the copy. As long as you only use one copy.
There was an article from a supposedly well respected lawyer about this a while ago, on groklaw possibly? I think so.
I think going to 9 different distros hoping one would have the driver is ridiculous.
If there's a driver for it, chances are that either all, or none, of the distros will have it.
Wow, one piece of hardware isn't supported.. It's a shame, but shit happens.. Check it's supported before you buy. Yes all hardware supports Windows, but that's hardly an achievement by Windows, it just shows off the power of monopoly.
Oohhh fs.. this is going to take ages... *rolls a cigarrette*
Okay, I'm going to talk from personal experience here. I use Fedora for my desktop at the moment.
Linux isn't just ready for handing to mum and dad (I'm English), no one is saying it is, and it's not going to be hackers thinking 'I know what mum and dad need!' that're going to fix that.
It's going to be people like IBM and Novell (I'm just thinking Gnome here for an example), who have the cash to put in for useability studies and so forth. These will be implemented by the development community, but not instigated by them.
Before you see every digital camera and soundcard supported out of the box, there are more important considerations, like interoperability with business applications, which will be concentrated on so that Linux can be used on the desktop *within companies*. That's always going to be the first step.
Once Linux is ready for deployment on the desktop within companies that have IT departments with real sysadmins, then will be time to start worrying about mum and dad. We need app stability, desktop integration with apps, consistancy between between desktop environments (ala freedesktop.org), more improvement to OO.o and so forth, before easy GUI management of the system for things like hardware management, firewall setup, and so on).
In terms of system updates, well an icon on my 'taskbar' flashes red when I have system updates to perform, I click it, say yes to a couple of wizard questions, and bingo, not only my OS, but also any RPM apps that are included in RedHat's repositories (i.e. the majority of software I'll need, and probably all the software mum and dad will need) are updated, just like that. No dependancy problems, no going to multiple websites looking for app fixes (does Windows update Trillian? Photoshop?).
Personally I use apt-rpm on the command line for doing those updates, but that's only because it's quicker, using RedHat's built in updater based on yum does the job just as well.
I don't know what version of eclipse you've used but but it sounds like a broken build. I had a similar problem with one GTK build in redhat 9, but haven't seen anything similar since. I never notice the background rebuilds, and i've never had to wait more than a second or two for a full project search, and that's with loads of library source included as part of the project, so a pretty sizeable codebase overall.
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Well XP won't respect an existing Linux install, if you install it after Linux then you can guarantee there won't be a Linux entry in your boot menu ;)
Still, this is a very serious problem.
From what I've heard it seems to be a problem mainly with dual boot where you have each OS on a separate drive, rather than both on the same partitioned drive.
I finally got mine working by reversing the drives that grub thought everything was on. Windows was on primary master, and I installed Fedora on primary slave. Rebooted and it was dead. It turned out that setting grub to point at hd1 for Windows and hd0 for Fedora got things working. I have no idea why.
Windows still doesn't work, I think the Wndows bootloader that grub forwards on to has been corrupted, but I haven't looked into this in detail yet, I was lucky that most of my data storage is on my house server.
Blunket has said explicitly that ID cards will essentially become the primary key for all government databases. They're trying to bring all 'citizen' data together into one big database, which can be accessed by all gov't departments. The proposed scheme has little in the way of safeguards against dodgy officials accessing data they shouldn't. In fact this is already a problem since the RIP act.
I'll second that.
More to the point *install apt from fedora.us!!!*.
Excellent a job as Dag, Freshrpms, newrpms etc do, you won't necessarily get the packages that have been customised to integrate with Fedora (Firefox and Thunderbird's integration with preferred apps springs to mind). If you include other repos in their sources list then they'll end up replacing your apt with theirs, god help you if you get atrpms, which seems to default to giving you unstable rpms.
Also, get them mplayer for fc2 from freshrpms.
Flash + mp3 support won't be included by setting upa sources list, so manually install the xmms-mp3 package, and use the flash auto install from macromedia for Firefox.
So:
Apt from fedora.us
xmms-mp3
Firefox and Thunderbird (from fedora.us)
Set up flash through Firefox.
Who ever said only closed source was vunrable?
Er.. I don't think I've heard anyone except shouty 12 year olds with no clue say that.
wouldn't it be far MORE interesting if say somebody compiled that little Darwin kernel for x86 and got OS-X to run NATIVE on it?
:)
Can't be done. Darwin is already on x86, but the source for the rest of OSX isn't available. Hence emulation
Fedora is updatable through yum or apt-rpm.
Yes Apache has *an* XML project, but XML isn't an Apache project.
I'm speechless, that is truly incredible.
Does anyone know how close to completion this is? Or when we might start seeing games based on it?
Ok PHP is, but it's news to me :)
XML however isn't.
Ah, I don't think they mean that XML and PHP are their projects :)
How many times do people like you have to be corrected before you get it?
There's nothing wrong with integrating your browser with your desktop. It's when you do so in a way that can't be undone to leverage your monopoly position to kill off a competitor that it becomes bad.
Who the hell modded that insightful?
Even NYT links are more fun translated badly from Japanese!
;)
"according to the New Yorktimes (to read article, the register is needed)"
I knew El Reg was the secret to reading NYT articles
Also, I suspect being a journalist you would have a better idea of who to ring for various information, as research is a fairly important part of journalism.
Ah, no I meant your code there in you sig :)
:)
Thanks for the summary though, it's clearer than the ones I've seen so far
Much as I'd love to, I'll never understand unlambda...
What does it do?
it took 1000 machines
100
Actually, as the downloader you're probably not breaking the copyright at least in the states, as you're not doing the copy. As long as you only use one copy.
There was an article from a supposedly well respected lawyer about this a while ago, on groklaw possibly? I think so.
silly arse.. did you actually read the whole post?
*sigh*
Under the desk you say? Hmm....
*takes note*
Where do you work again?
oh one more thing...
I think going to 9 different distros hoping one would have the driver is ridiculous.
If there's a driver for it, chances are that either all, or none, of the distros will have it.
Wow, one piece of hardware isn't supported.. It's a shame, but shit happens.. Check it's supported before you buy. Yes all hardware supports Windows, but that's hardly an achievement by Windows, it just shows off the power of monopoly.
Oohhh fs.. this is going to take ages... *rolls a cigarrette*
Okay, I'm going to talk from personal experience here. I use Fedora for my desktop at the moment.
Linux isn't just ready for handing to mum and dad (I'm English), no one is saying it is, and it's not going to be hackers thinking 'I know what mum and dad need!' that're going to fix that.
It's going to be people like IBM and Novell (I'm just thinking Gnome here for an example), who have the cash to put in for useability studies and so forth. These will be implemented by the development community, but not instigated by them.
Before you see every digital camera and soundcard supported out of the box, there are more important considerations, like interoperability with business applications, which will be concentrated on so that Linux can be used on the desktop *within companies*. That's always going to be the first step.
Once Linux is ready for deployment on the desktop within companies that have IT departments with real sysadmins, then will be time to start worrying about mum and dad. We need app stability, desktop integration with apps, consistancy between between desktop environments (ala freedesktop.org), more improvement to OO.o and so forth, before easy GUI management of the system for things like hardware management, firewall setup, and so on).
In terms of system updates, well an icon on my 'taskbar' flashes red when I have system updates to perform, I click it, say yes to a couple of wizard questions, and bingo, not only my OS, but also any RPM apps that are included in RedHat's repositories (i.e. the majority of software I'll need, and probably all the software mum and dad will need) are updated, just like that. No dependancy problems, no going to multiple websites looking for app fixes (does Windows update Trillian? Photoshop?).
Personally I use apt-rpm on the command line for doing those updates, but that's only because it's quicker, using RedHat's built in updater based on yum does the job just as well.
i moderated you overrated instead of underrated by accident, so i'm just posting this to void my moderation ;)
People only use ed in interactive mode to demonstrate the length of their beards ffs!
:)
perhaps pico would be more appropriate?
I don't know what version of eclipse you've used but but it sounds like a broken build. I had a similar problem with one GTK build in redhat 9, but haven't seen anything similar since. I never notice the background rebuilds, and i've never had to wait more than a second or two for a full project search, and that's with loads of library source included as part of the project, so a pretty sizeable codebase overall.
"the horrible User Interface that is Linux."
Care to give me an example?
I have no issues with the apps I use (primarily gnome), that's been the case for at least a year now.