Those are basically the same types of people Microsoft attracts for the most part: people who don't know any better. Only in this case, maybe they are just a bit more adventurous than the rest to stray from the norm (Windows) and pay the extra $$$ for a more expensive system. Apple's own advertising seemed to do a good job at forming a stereotype in everyone's head that if they used a Mac, they would magically be immune to everything that plagues Windows...
I know this is popular to say around here but the answer isn't "never" or even "close to no one". It is a lot of people. I am one of them.
Oh, trust me, I know all the pros and cons of each. I started on Windows in the mid to late 1990s and made the decision to switch to Linux around 2006. That would make me "one of them" too, but let's be serious here... we're talking about the vast majority of Windows users here. They will always find something they don't like. It was easy for me, because as a computer enthusiast and more advanced user, I was interested and willing to learn and I did complete research so I knew what I was getting into.
As far as compiling goes... for the general Windows-using public, they wouldn't care; they would go the regular route and install distribution-specific package from the repositories. For advanced users on the other hand... sure, it might become a problem, and they may or may not want to go through the hassle of compiling. I, for example, would rather deal with the packages... and if Debian's are too old, well, there are a lot of other distributions to choose from. But at this point you're no longer even talking about the core Windows audience.
There's a system76 laptop I'm thinking about getting. I'll be installing a different distribution soon after receipt since I do not want Ubuntu, but at least I won't be paying for an unwanted license to run Windows. Hopefully OEMs like them stick around.
I'm working on a new jailbreak for RT 8.1. I already have code executing in kernel mode in RT 8.1, so it's just a matter of putting everything together. I'm going to wait until the 8.1 final release before releasing the jailbreak, though, to make things more complicated for Microsoft to fix.
Why? Let the OS suffer from the lack of compatibility that Microsoft wants it to suffer from. The more people who realize what a piece of shit it is the more backlash it will get, and something will change--either Microsoft will change their view due to a backlash (at least until they completely eliminate the desktop...) or users will start looking elsewhere for their computers and operating systems.
IMO dual-booting has its uses... especially on RAM-limited machines like mine (only 1 GB)... but I have to admit that I have switched primarily to virtual machines for my distro hopping hobby. Unfortunately, that means distributions that require a minimum of 384 MB of RAM are a pain in the ass to run and those that require 512 MB or more are best off running "live" if possible (if not set up in a dual-boot configuration), but for those operating systems that work well in my constraints there are a few advantages: far fewer CDs/DVDs to burn; the extra comfort of knowing that you can't fuck up your partition table, boot loader or existing file systems; experimentation with different configurations is easy. Downsides? Extra resources (may not allow running certain operating systems that would otherwise run), not a good gauge of hardware compatibility, sharing a/home partition between operating systems is not as easy, etc.
No... most people run Windows because they don't know any better, and they don't want to know any better. When is the last time you saw someone who knew that there were alternatives? When is the last time you saw someone who, after learning about alternatives, was willing (ie. not afraid) to try something new? How many people even cared, ignorantly just saying "well I'm used to Windows" after having everything you said go out the other ear? The answers are probably "never" and "next no one" in any case.
Neither did I. Running openSUSE 12.2 here, although for the last couple weeks in the interest of learning something new and reducing memory usage I have been using the i3 window manager... but I've been using KDE4 for quite a while before that. However, I have noticed that KDE4's stability does vary depending on the distribution. Newer versions also usually tend to be noticeably more stable.
My guess is yes it has--but at an even slower than that of OS X. Unless you consider non-desktop, non-laptop computer systems, which eclipse anything Apple puts out. Android phones and tablet computers, routers, even TVs on the "consumer" side... servers and other configurations for advanced users and businesses.
Then again, it is not possible to get an accurate count of Linux, unlike a highly-controlled, commercial product... so your comparison is pretty meaningless.
Microsoft has every incentive to do this, and no disincentive.
No doubt. You are right on this part. The only thing that will make them back up over this is a backlash of similar proportions to the one they caused for themselves with the XBoner's "always-online" DRM system and license changes. Too bad the chances of this having an impact similar to that blunder is relatively low... Windows people seem no be too ignorant of EULAs and never even care to read them. It's easier to just hit "I Agree" to just get the damn thing to work and do what you want it too than read legalese mumbo-jumbo.
Seriously, how many people are going to switch to Linux over this? Nobody.
I must be nobody then, because I switched to Linux over things like this back in 2006 after contemplating and preparing the move starting in 2004.
Get used to it.
Why? I don't use Windows, so I don't have to. I left their shit behind long ago, and have since got used to not having to deal with this kind of bullshit.
If you weren't a fucking dumbass and you were in Snowden's shoes, no doubt you'd be trying to seek asylum in as many countries as you could too. Yes, even if their views don't perfectly align with yours. Life is full of choices... and in Edward's case, they are unfortunately running out as the U.S. tries to strong-arm countries out of giving him asylum.
Everything Mr. Black Asshole says is exactly opposite of what he really means. He won't be doing any "wheeling and dealing" to catch a 29-year-old "hacker"? Sure--he'll just have his Vice President and other people he controls in the government do it for him. Hell, he'll have European governments do his dirty work for him, blocking their airspace so a South American president cannot safely return home on schedule, under the "suspicion" that this 29-year-old "hacker" is on-board. Nope, no "wheeling and dealing" or "scrambling jets" here.
Fuck the U.S. government... and I am *from* the U.S. I'm just waiting for someone, *anyone*, to accept Edward. He has done us Americans an invaluable service. Fuck, he has done the entire world a service, including those weak pussies known as France who helped to block off Bolivian President Morales. Edward deserves justice--and not the kind of hypocritical bullshit that my own government dishes out that they call "justice". He knows he won't get real "justice" here, so he left. That's completely understandable, and it should be fucking obvious by now to any U.S. citizen.
Never mind the fact that the U.S. has no extradition treaty with Russia and we were begging them to hand him over; yet, we will commit an international crime of blocking a national leader's flight just to catch him. What a bunch of motherfucking hypocrites we are.
But they can see that he has something to hide, which is probably enough to get a search warrant these days.
Yep. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/06/21/1443204/use-tor-get-targeted-by-the-nsa But I don't think a search warrant is needed these days... they'll just take what they want as they please. The government don't give a shit, they wiped their ass with the Bill of Rights and flushed it down the toilet a long time ago.
Probably never. Unfortunately, the vast majority of "we the people" are too fucking ignorant, dumb, and just don't care. Look how far fucked the government already is... "we the people" only helped to make it this way by electing worthless, lying sacks of shit like Obama into office. Too bad all the alternatives were either just as bad or worse. And never mind all the bullshit going on behind our backs, fueled by our own tax dollars, against anyone's knowledge or approval. The U.S. government has become a disgrace to all of what the Constitution promises to its people.
Too bad by running your own VPN on your own Internet connection, all privacy is gone. Everything can easily be tracked right back to you. Not saying that running your own VPN doesn't bring some serious advantages... but privacy is most definitely not one of them.
No, the person I replied to attributed the fast paced progress a thousand years ago to the LACK of patents. I pointed that progress has accelerated greatly since patents began to be commonly used, so he was wrong to say that the creation of patents a few hundred years ago caused progress to stop.
Ah, I see. It must have been a slight misunderstanding.
Additionally, in places where patents were strong, such as the US, those were exactly the places doing most of the invention in the last 300 years. (Of course the US lead in innovation had begun to wither in the last 25 years or so.)
I think this is nothing more than a coincidence. I wouldn't attribute it to patents.
Which is my point. Recently, in the last 5-10 years or so, certain people have started abusing them in a specific way.
I think it's been going on for much longer than the last 5-10 years. It's just that in that time, the abuse has just increased heavily, to downright ridiculous proportions. But it is most definitely not something that started, or even started to get bad, just ten years ago. It was already being abused pretty badly before that--just not on the scale that it is now.
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The only thing I could imagine not being as good in Fedora compared to Debian is the repositories themselves. Debian has a hell of a lot of packages, it's hard to compete with. Unless you consider "non-free" stuff that Debian doesn't include by default. But the package management system and package format? Come on, seriously, by now they both work fine. The main thing that matters is what package management tools you like best, and that is nothing more than a personal preference.
You seriously contribute *everything* humanity has ever done in the last 300 years to patents? Are you serious? Patents are a tool, nothing else. And more recently they've been a tool of choice for abuse, encouraging stagnation by being used as a weapon against everyone else even for the most obvious ideas. And fucking math, for that matter. They are less needed than ever before, especially in software--they just never really worked well for software. But certainly software is not the only area that needs a complete reform or total abolition.
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Yes, but considering TCP is a core part of IP... what you did kind of falls flat.
Most popular protocol? What ever happened to TCP?
Those are basically the same types of people Microsoft attracts for the most part: people who don't know any better. Only in this case, maybe they are just a bit more adventurous than the rest to stray from the norm (Windows) and pay the extra $$$ for a more expensive system. Apple's own advertising seemed to do a good job at forming a stereotype in everyone's head that if they used a Mac, they would magically be immune to everything that plagues Windows...
An Apple-built machine? The least-expensive choice? Okay.....
I know this is popular to say around here but the answer isn't "never" or even "close to no one". It is a lot of people. I am one of them.
Oh, trust me, I know all the pros and cons of each. I started on Windows in the mid to late 1990s and made the decision to switch to Linux around 2006. That would make me "one of them" too, but let's be serious here... we're talking about the vast majority of Windows users here. They will always find something they don't like. It was easy for me, because as a computer enthusiast and more advanced user, I was interested and willing to learn and I did complete research so I knew what I was getting into.
As far as compiling goes... for the general Windows-using public, they wouldn't care; they would go the regular route and install distribution-specific package from the repositories. For advanced users on the other hand... sure, it might become a problem, and they may or may not want to go through the hassle of compiling. I, for example, would rather deal with the packages... and if Debian's are too old, well, there are a lot of other distributions to choose from. But at this point you're no longer even talking about the core Windows audience.
Well, Vista was famous for introducing lots of abominable "features" that were primarily there to make their partners happy...
There's a system76 laptop I'm thinking about getting. I'll be installing a different distribution soon after receipt since I do not want Ubuntu, but at least I won't be paying for an unwanted license to run Windows. Hopefully OEMs like them stick around.
If all you wanted was a UNIX userland, then why would you choose a Mac to get it over all the alternatives?
I'm working on a new jailbreak for RT 8.1. I already have code executing in kernel mode in RT 8.1, so it's just a matter of putting everything together. I'm going to wait until the 8.1 final release before releasing the jailbreak, though, to make things more complicated for Microsoft to fix.
Why? Let the OS suffer from the lack of compatibility that Microsoft wants it to suffer from. The more people who realize what a piece of shit it is the more backlash it will get, and something will change--either Microsoft will change their view due to a backlash (at least until they completely eliminate the desktop...) or users will start looking elsewhere for their computers and operating systems.
IMO dual-booting has its uses... especially on RAM-limited machines like mine (only 1 GB)... but I have to admit that I have switched primarily to virtual machines for my distro hopping hobby. Unfortunately, that means distributions that require a minimum of 384 MB of RAM are a pain in the ass to run and those that require 512 MB or more are best off running "live" if possible (if not set up in a dual-boot configuration), but for those operating systems that work well in my constraints there are a few advantages: far fewer CDs/DVDs to burn; the extra comfort of knowing that you can't fuck up your partition table, boot loader or existing file systems; experimentation with different configurations is easy. Downsides? Extra resources (may not allow running certain operating systems that would otherwise run), not a good gauge of hardware compatibility, sharing a /home partition between operating systems is not as easy, etc.
No... most people run Windows because they don't know any better, and they don't want to know any better. When is the last time you saw someone who knew that there were alternatives? When is the last time you saw someone who, after learning about alternatives, was willing (ie. not afraid) to try something new? How many people even cared, ignorantly just saying "well I'm used to Windows" after having everything you said go out the other ear? The answers are probably "never" and "next no one" in any case.
XP is not going to magically stop working on that dreadful date.
What it will do is turn any potential machines still running it into highly immune-compromised worm/bot magnets and create a lot of zombies.
Neither did I. Running openSUSE 12.2 here, although for the last couple weeks in the interest of learning something new and reducing memory usage I have been using the i3 window manager... but I've been using KDE4 for quite a while before that. However, I have noticed that KDE4's stability does vary depending on the distribution. Newer versions also usually tend to be noticeably more stable.
My guess is yes it has--but at an even slower than that of OS X. Unless you consider non-desktop, non-laptop computer systems, which eclipse anything Apple puts out. Android phones and tablet computers, routers, even TVs on the "consumer" side... servers and other configurations for advanced users and businesses.
Then again, it is not possible to get an accurate count of Linux, unlike a highly-controlled, commercial product... so your comparison is pretty meaningless.
Microsoft has every incentive to do this, and no disincentive.
No doubt. You are right on this part. The only thing that will make them back up over this is a backlash of similar proportions to the one they caused for themselves with the XBoner's "always-online" DRM system and license changes. Too bad the chances of this having an impact similar to that blunder is relatively low... Windows people seem no be too ignorant of EULAs and never even care to read them. It's easier to just hit "I Agree" to just get the damn thing to work and do what you want it too than read legalese mumbo-jumbo.
Seriously, how many people are going to switch to Linux over this? Nobody.
I must be nobody then, because I switched to Linux over things like this back in 2006 after contemplating and preparing the move starting in 2004.
Get used to it.
Why? I don't use Windows, so I don't have to. I left their shit behind long ago, and have since got used to not having to deal with this kind of bullshit.
The way they're treating this whole situation, the U.S. government seems to think Snowden *is* an imminent threat.
You must stand for government corruption. I don't.
If you weren't a fucking dumbass and you were in Snowden's shoes, no doubt you'd be trying to seek asylum in as many countries as you could too. Yes, even if their views don't perfectly align with yours. Life is full of choices... and in Edward's case, they are unfortunately running out as the U.S. tries to strong-arm countries out of giving him asylum.
Everything Mr. Black Asshole says is exactly opposite of what he really means. He won't be doing any "wheeling and dealing" to catch a 29-year-old "hacker"? Sure--he'll just have his Vice President and other people he controls in the government do it for him. Hell, he'll have European governments do his dirty work for him, blocking their airspace so a South American president cannot safely return home on schedule, under the "suspicion" that this 29-year-old "hacker" is on-board. Nope, no "wheeling and dealing" or "scrambling jets" here.
Fuck the U.S. government... and I am *from* the U.S. I'm just waiting for someone, *anyone*, to accept Edward. He has done us Americans an invaluable service. Fuck, he has done the entire world a service, including those weak pussies known as France who helped to block off Bolivian President Morales. Edward deserves justice--and not the kind of hypocritical bullshit that my own government dishes out that they call "justice". He knows he won't get real "justice" here, so he left. That's completely understandable, and it should be fucking obvious by now to any U.S. citizen.
Never mind the fact that the U.S. has no extradition treaty with Russia and we were begging them to hand him over; yet, we will commit an international crime of blocking a national leader's flight just to catch him. What a bunch of motherfucking hypocrites we are.
But they can see that he has something to hide, which is probably enough to get a search warrant these days.
Yep. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/06/21/1443204/use-tor-get-targeted-by-the-nsa
But I don't think a search warrant is needed these days... they'll just take what they want as they please. The government don't give a shit, they wiped their ass with the Bill of Rights and flushed it down the toilet a long time ago.
Probably never. Unfortunately, the vast majority of "we the people" are too fucking ignorant, dumb, and just don't care. Look how far fucked the government already is... "we the people" only helped to make it this way by electing worthless, lying sacks of shit like Obama into office. Too bad all the alternatives were either just as bad or worse. And never mind all the bullshit going on behind our backs, fueled by our own tax dollars, against anyone's knowledge or approval. The U.S. government has become a disgrace to all of what the Constitution promises to its people.
Too bad by running your own VPN on your own Internet connection, all privacy is gone. Everything can easily be tracked right back to you. Not saying that running your own VPN doesn't bring some serious advantages... but privacy is most definitely not one of them.
Now... if only they could take this technology and use it to filter out the spam.
Ever get a USPS "Change of Address" form? It's fucking loaded with advertisements...
No, the person I replied to attributed the fast paced progress a thousand years ago to the LACK of patents.
I pointed that progress has accelerated greatly since patents began to be commonly used, so he was wrong
to say that the creation of patents a few hundred years ago caused progress to stop.
Ah, I see. It must have been a slight misunderstanding.
Additionally, in places where patents were strong, such as the US, those were exactly the places doing most of the
invention in the last 300 years. (Of course the US lead in innovation had begun to wither in the last 25 years or so.)
I think this is nothing more than a coincidence. I wouldn't attribute it to patents.
Which is my point. Recently, in the last 5-10 years or so, certain people have started abusing them in a specific way.
I think it's been going on for much longer than the last 5-10 years. It's just that in that time, the abuse has just increased heavily, to downright ridiculous proportions. But it is most definitely not something that started, or even started to get bad, just ten years ago. It was already being abused pretty badly before that--just not on the scale that it is now.
The only thing I could imagine not being as good in Fedora compared to Debian is the repositories themselves. Debian has a hell of a lot of packages, it's hard to compete with. Unless you consider "non-free" stuff that Debian doesn't include by default. But the package management system and package format? Come on, seriously, by now they both work fine. The main thing that matters is what package management tools you like best, and that is nothing more than a personal preference.
You seriously contribute *everything* humanity has ever done in the last 300 years to patents? Are you serious? Patents are a tool, nothing else. And more recently they've been a tool of choice for abuse, encouraging stagnation by being used as a weapon against everyone else even for the most obvious ideas. And fucking math, for that matter. They are less needed than ever before, especially in software--they just never really worked well for software. But certainly software is not the only area that needs a complete reform or total abolition.