"Apple won't allow you to have a youtube or google maps app,"
It would be nice if there were a way to download third party apps for the iPhone and if Google would release a Youtube app on the theoretical app store? Oh wait......
"You mean read his stupid crap snarky sneering comparisons on Amazon's earnings vs. Apple's ?"
Is it not the truth?
"And then how he tried to muddy the waters by adding the iPad numbers to claim iOS' superiority? "
How so? When Google talks about "Android activations" do they leave out tablets?
"After even that failed, he(and his chums like Siegler) resorted to calling the Apple winner over Android because it takes 80% of the mobile profits! "
As a profit seeking entity, isn't profit the most important measure of success? How can a money losing company - i.e. every Android manufacturer except for Samsung and HTC (barely) be considered "successfully"?
"For proof of his partisanship see his analysis of Apple's forced 30% cut of in-app purchases over which it kicked out a number of apps."
"Recently... iPhone 4 at Verizon store: $200. iPhone 4s at Verizon store: $250, forget which Galaxy S3 at Verizon store: $200 Who pays the same as any other comparable smartphone? Unless, of course, "comparable" means "same priced, regardless of technical differences":) :
The iPhone 4 hasn't been on sale at Verizon for $200 since October of last year.
No iPhone 4S has never sold at regular price for $250. It was introduced at $199, $299, and $399.
" $50 is pretty expensive even"
You're going to pay $2220 at minimum over 2 years and $50 is "expensive"?
"Not if people are dumb enough to pay it. They need their SHINY after all. "
I keep seeing that, but the people don't pay more. The carriers pay more to Apple and subsidize more heavily, Tell me why should I care as long as I pay the same for the iPhone as any other comparable smart phone?
"You don't need visual studio to develop software for Windows. Unlike Apple, Microsoft is very developer friendly, and has been for as long they've been around."
So how are you going to develop for Windows 8 without Visual Studio? How is MS's policies with Windows 8 "more friendly"?
If you want the best of the best Visual Studio it costs $9500.
"From what I've read of B2G/Mozilla OS is that it will be lightweight and be able to run on cheap low-unend phones. "
How is a 700Mhz Arm with 256MB "low-end"? The first iPhone could run a browser and responsive apps on a 400Mhz ARM and 128MB Ram. The first Android devices were similarly low power. Chinese manufacturers like Huwaii are already selling Android phones unsubsidized for less.
Do you really think you can get more responsive apps running Html+Javascript than native apps?
It's strange that after a decade, if the only thing that Apple had going for it was marketing, that no one else has figured out how to market a product......
"So.... you're bragging that Apple will charge you double the price for what is, in the end, a very similar product? This is a good thing?"
Apple doesn't charge me twice as much. They charge the carriers more. The carriers charge me no more than an equivalent Android phone. So why should I care?
"Let's keep some perspective here. They only sell one model at a time. All of the other vendors sell multiple models at the same time. The implication is that this is somehow the leading phone ecosystem or some such thing. In reality Apple doesn't even sell as many smart phones as Samsung alone, never mind all of the other vendors."
If you want to talk "ecosystem", let's compare app sales....
"In March 2012, Flurry crunched data from developers using its tracking tools in their apps, and claimed that given the same number of users per platform, a developer who got $1 on the iTunes App Store would get $0.23 from Google Play."
"Apple's iOS devices account for 65 per cent of mobile web traffic versus Android's 20 per cent, or the two operating systems are neck-and-neck at about a quarter of all mobile web traffic apiece."
"Honestly, if you're going to go for an Android-based phone I'd go with one of the Nexus devices. They're a lot easier to modify and get software updates before any other phone."
Unless you get a Nexus that works on the largest carrier in the US....
Well, the iPhone 3GS was released in 2009, the iPhone 4 was released in 2010, the iPhone 4s was released in 2011, the fourth generation iPod touch was released in 2010, the iPad 2 was released in 2011, and the "new iPad" was released in March.
Guess what? On September 19th anyone who has any of those devices will be able to connect to a wifi hotspot anywhere in the world and update to iOS 6. Can you say the same about Android devices from 3 years ago -- or even Android devices released next month running old operating systems?
If I bought an iPhone 4s on September 20th that was in the channel and still has ios 5, I can update it as soon as I take it out of the box, can you say the same about the Motorola devices?
" They just don't want to be your friend if you are using their freely and openly provided source as basis to create competition, and that appears reasonable."
If they didn't want people to use their source code and possibly compete with them, then why make it open?
"Act like you're their friend, get into the inner circle (OHA) with access to early internal technology and use that knowledge to build a competing product."
But Rubin said that Android was "open". So if Android were truly open and available to anyone what "internal technology"?
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"Apple won't allow you to have a youtube or google maps app,"
It would be nice if there were a way to download third party apps for the iPhone and if Google would release a Youtube app on the theoretical app store? Oh wait......
"You mean read his stupid crap snarky sneering comparisons on Amazon's earnings vs. Apple's ?"
Is it not the truth?
"And then how he tried to muddy the waters by adding the iPad numbers to claim iOS' superiority? "
How so? When Google talks about "Android activations" do they leave out tablets?
"After even that failed, he(and his chums like Siegler) resorted to calling the Apple winner over Android because it takes 80% of the mobile profits! "
As a profit seeking entity, isn't profit the most important measure of success? How can a money losing company - i.e. every Android manufacturer except for Samsung and HTC (barely) be considered "successfully"?
"For proof of his partisanship see his analysis of Apple's forced 30% cut of in-app purchases over which it kicked out a number of apps."
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/03/new-android-market-rule-prohibits-apps-that-use-third-party-in-app-payment-services/
"not to try to hi-jack this thread or anything but I'd really like to see a standalone amazon video app for Android and Apple phones/tablets"
There is already one for the iPad.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazon-instant-video/id545519333?mt=8
"Recently... :) :
iPhone 4 at Verizon store: $200.
iPhone 4s at Verizon store: $250, forget which
Galaxy S3 at Verizon store: $200
Who pays the same as any other comparable smartphone? Unless, of course, "comparable" means "same priced, regardless of technical differences"
The iPhone 4 hasn't been on sale at Verizon for $200 since October of last year.
No iPhone 4S has never sold at regular price for $250. It was introduced at $199, $299, and $399.
" $50 is pretty expensive even"
You're going to pay $2220 at minimum over 2 years and $50 is "expensive"?
Yes, if I pay the same $200 for a $699 iPhone that an Android user pays for $450 device, why should I care what the carrier pays to the manufacture?
"Not if people are dumb enough to pay it. They need their SHINY after all. "
I keep seeing that, but the people don't pay more. The carriers pay more to Apple and subsidize more heavily, Tell me why should I care as long as I pay the same for the iPhone as any other comparable smart phone?
" How good they play determines how much money they make."
There are only two Android manufacturers that make any profit whatsoever -- HTC and Samsung and HTC isn't doing so well.
http://www.zdnet.com/htcs-quarterly-profits-plunge-again-what-can-they-do-to-turn-things-around-7000002275/
What company besides Samsung has Android actually been profitable for?
I ordered this, but haven't quite got the hang of using it yet and it's only for the PS3.
http://www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/catalog/ps2-ps3-one-handed-controller-p-1616.html
"You don't need visual studio to develop software for Windows. Unlike Apple, Microsoft is very developer friendly, and has been for as long they've been around."
So how are you going to develop for Windows 8 without Visual Studio? How is MS's policies with Windows 8 "more friendly"?
If you want the best of the best Visual Studio it costs $9500.
"From what I've read of B2G/Mozilla OS is that it will be lightweight and be able to run on cheap low-unend phones. "
How is a 700Mhz Arm with 256MB "low-end"? The first iPhone could run a browser and responsive apps on a 400Mhz ARM and 128MB Ram. The first Android devices were similarly low power. Chinese manufacturers like Huwaii are already selling Android phones unsubsidized for less.
Do you really think you can get more responsive apps running Html+Javascript than native apps?
And then I have to buy a copy of Windows and potentially VMWare or Parallels.....
Xcode is free and I would also have to purchase a PC to run Visual Studio unless MS has released VS for Mac.
So Apple's "cult" is made up 25% of the smart phone buying public?
It's strange that after a decade, if the only thing that Apple had going for it was marketing, that no one else has figured out how to market a product......
"So.... you're bragging that Apple will charge you double the price for what is, in the end, a very similar product? This is a good thing?"
Apple doesn't charge me twice as much. They charge the carriers more. The carriers charge me no more than an equivalent Android phone. So why should I care?
"Let's keep some perspective here. They only sell one model at a time. All of the other vendors sell multiple models at the same time. The implication is that this is somehow the leading phone ecosystem or some such thing. In reality Apple doesn't even sell as many smart phones as Samsung alone, never mind all of the other vendors."
If you want to talk "ecosystem", let's compare app sales....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2012/jun/10/apple-developer-wwdc-schmidt-android
"In March 2012, Flurry crunched data from developers using its tracking tools in their apps, and claimed that given the same number of users per platform, a developer who got $1 on the iTunes App Store would get $0.23 from Google Play."
Web usage....
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/02/mobile_web_stats/
"Apple's iOS devices account for 65 per cent of mobile web traffic versus Android's 20 per cent, or the two operating systems are neck-and-neck at about a quarter of all mobile web traffic apiece."
Or you can even talk profit....
http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/06/apple-mobile-industry-profit-share-q2-2012/
So which ecosystem is better for Apple, developers, and advertisers?
So you have official numbers from Samsung as to how many were sold, to the end user?
"Honestly, if you're going to go for an Android-based phone I'd go with one of the Nexus devices. They're a lot easier to modify and get software updates before any other phone."
Unless you get a Nexus that works on the largest carrier in the US....
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/11/verizon-galaxy-nexus-jelly-bean-update-excuses-roll-out/
Hate to say it but it's not a highly technical job. If people start complaining they just outsource to India.
Well, the iPhone 3GS was released in 2009, the iPhone 4 was released in 2010, the iPhone 4s was released in 2011, the fourth generation iPod touch was released in 2010, the iPad 2 was released in 2011, and the "new iPad" was released in March.
Guess what? On September 19th anyone who has any of those devices will be able to connect to a wifi hotspot anywhere in the world and update to iOS 6. Can you say the same about Android devices from 3 years ago -- or even Android devices released next month running old operating systems?
If I bought an iPhone 4s on September 20th that was in the channel and still has ios 5, I can update it as soon as I take it out of the box, can you say the same about the Motorola devices?
" They just don't want to be your friend if you are using their freely and openly provided source as basis to create competition, and that appears reasonable."
If they didn't want people to use their source code and possibly compete with them, then why make it open?
"Apparently the OS of this phone is a flavor of Android that runs Android apps. What happens if it runs them poorly?"
In that case Samsung, Motorola, LG, Sony and every other Android manufacturer that sells some lowend Android phones should be kicked out.
"Act like you're their friend, get into the inner circle (OHA) with access to early internal technology and use that knowledge to build a competing product."
But Rubin said that Android was "open". So if Android were truly open and available to anyone what "internal technology"?
"There are older devices that can't run the latest version of the OS. So what?"
You mean "older devices" like the new Motorola devices that coming out that are not running the latest OS?
Don't you think it is a little strange that a company owned by Google can't even introduce phones with the newest OS?