"Not to say about all those nice backup apps and improvements you can get for Android once you root your phone. It is not only for device compatibility."
So you have to root your phone just to back it up and you don't see that as a problem?
"Remember, the whole point of patents isn't to financially award the patent-holder. It's to promote progress in science and the useful arts."
So exactly how do you promote progress without rewarding the people/companies creating the products? Do you think people spend time and money creating something without expecting something in return?
"But a company that has such a strong market position (i.e. a monopoly) can use patents to exclude competition. So Google is saying that FRAND should apply whether the technology is required because of an industry standard or because the patent holder has a monopoly."
So does that mean that Google is willing to release the implementations of their search algorithms?
And how is Apple "a monopoly" when Android supposedly outsells iOS 2-1?
"Right now, Google-Motorola cannot use their patents the way Apple uses theirs because they are classified as FRAND, "
They were not "classified" as FRAND by some random group of people. Motorola chose to submit their patents to a standard body and agreed to license them under FRAND so they would be part of the standard.
But there are a few problems with your assertion......
1. You didn't post any statistics. 2. Unless you thought they were referring to "iMacs" when they were referring to "iDevices", the discussion was about phones, tablets, or possible iPods. So are you saying that the average non Apple phone buyer, tablet buyer, or MP3 buyer is walking around with a 2008 Android G1, a bulky tablet running Windows XP tablet edition, or whatever non IPod mp3 player that was out in 2008?
"Everyone upgrades when they need to. Apple products encourage people to just buy the newest version all the time so you can be seen with the newest version,"
So other manufacturers discourage customers from buying their products?
So the carriers start "supporting" Firefox. The carriers don't make phones. So....
1. How do you make it profitable for the phone manufacturers to manufacturer phone using it? They can already get Android for free, so what is it in for them?
2. If none of the phone manufacturers (besides Samsung) can profitably sale Android phones, how does Firefox change the equation?
3. Haven't we been down the road with "just create HTML apps" before with Apple, Palm, Microsoft, and Rim (BB OS 10 on the playbook). Developers always complain. Heck, developers who want performance complained about being forced to run under VM (Android/Dalvik, Microsoft/CLR)
And finally......
4. If Mozilla doesn't allow native apps, how will other browser makers be able to port their browsers? Isn't that what Mozilla was complaining about with Windows 8 RT?
AT&T and Verizon are making plenty of money - just check their quarterly results. The telecom equipment manufacturers aren't making much.
As far as the "phone manufacturers" - only two of the majors are making any money. Apple only makes most of the industry profits with Samsung making the rest. HTC makes a little.
I didn't have to be on the "inside" it came out in the lawsuit that product managers didn't want the Vista Capable mess and that they gave in to pressure from Intel.
The product managers at MS were not even happy with the performance of Vista on low end machines and didn't want the "Vista Capable" crap, but we're overruled by the marketing guys.
Apple is a profit seeking operation as are Google and Android manufacturers. They define "winning The only Android manufacturers not losing money are HTC and Samsung and HTC's profits are minuscule and declining.
But as far as the US, out of the three carriers that carry the iPhone, they all announced last quarter that iPhone outsold all Android phones combined on their networks.
Yes, IE is losing marketshare but w3 schools statistics says nothing about the general population. Of course people who are studying web technologies are going to use other browsers. I would have more confidence if a site like Google or Yahoo published statistics.
1. They measure traffic from partner websites. 2. Apple users may stream more video and audio (but you're assuming facts not in evidence) but most video is not "streamed over the web" there is a difference between "over the web" which net application measures and "over the Internet". Again don't believe me, believe Google and every other company that measures web traffic.
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"Not to say about all those nice backup apps and improvements you can get for Android once you root your phone. It is not only for device compatibility."
So you have to root your phone just to back it up and you don't see that as a problem?
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So google have done something now but people still whine. They are clearly working on issues as evidenced in YOUR post.
Ridiculous.
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So s soon Google makes it easier for people to upgrade their OS without waiting for the OEM and the carrier you might have a point.....
"google allows in app purchases via third party platform, apple does not. apple will take the 30% of everything, forever"
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/03/new-android-market-rule-prohibits-apps-that-use-third-party-in-app-payment-services/
"Remember, the whole point of patents isn't to financially award the patent-holder. It's to promote progress in science and the useful arts."
So exactly how do you promote progress without rewarding the people/companies creating the products? Do you think people spend time and money creating something without expecting something in return?
"But a company that has such a strong market position (i.e. a monopoly) can use patents to exclude competition. So Google is saying that FRAND should apply whether the technology is required because of an industry standard or because the patent holder has a monopoly."
So does that mean that Google is willing to release the implementations of their search algorithms?
And how is Apple "a monopoly" when Android supposedly outsells iOS 2-1?
"Right now, Google-Motorola cannot use their patents the way Apple uses theirs because they are classified as FRAND, "
They were not "classified" as FRAND by some random group of people. Motorola chose to submit their patents to a standard body and agreed to license them under FRAND so they would be part of the standard.
So now your whole sample size is"people you know".
So you really think the average person is walking around with a 4 year old phone or tablet?
But there are a few problems with your assertion......
1. You didn't post any statistics.
2. Unless you thought they were referring to "iMacs" when they were referring to "iDevices", the discussion was about phones, tablets, or possible iPods. So are you saying that the average non Apple phone buyer, tablet buyer, or MP3 buyer is walking around with a 2008 Android G1, a bulky tablet running Windows XP tablet edition, or whatever non IPod mp3 player that was out in 2008?
"Everyone upgrades when they need to. Apple products encourage people to just buy the newest version all the time so you can be seen with the newest version,"
So other manufacturers discourage customers from buying their products?
"And yes, they're pretty guilty of forced upgrades for features everyone already has"
Because Android manufacturers are well known for timely upgrades for phones and they never ship new phones with older versions of the OS.....
"Ah, the joys of owning an iDevice. You have to constantly plan ahead financially for when the next version comes out."
So in all of technology, only Apple users ever upgrade?
Okay,
So the carriers start "supporting" Firefox. The carriers don't make phones. So....
1. How do you make it profitable for the phone manufacturers to manufacturer phone using it? They can already get Android for free, so what is it in for them?
2. If none of the phone manufacturers (besides Samsung) can profitably sale Android phones, how does Firefox change the equation?
3. Haven't we been down the road with "just create HTML apps" before with Apple, Palm, Microsoft, and Rim (BB OS 10 on the playbook). Developers always complain. Heck, developers who want performance complained about being forced to run under VM (Android/Dalvik, Microsoft/CLR)
And finally......
4. If Mozilla doesn't allow native apps, how will other browser makers be able to port their browsers? Isn't that what Mozilla was complaining about with Windows 8 RT?
Really? It took all of that to run Netflix on an Android device? My first generation iPod Touch from 2007 runs Netflix as does the very first iPhone.
AT&T and Verizon are making plenty of money - just check their quarterly results. The telecom equipment manufacturers aren't making much.
As far as the "phone manufacturers" - only two of the majors are making any money. Apple only makes most of the industry profits with Samsung making the rest. HTC makes a little.
http://www.asymco.com/2012/05/03/the-phone-market-in-2012-a-tale-of-two-disruptions/
Handset sales are already unprofitable for anyone but Apple and Samsung. What does Fitefix bring to the table?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2008/03/the-vista-capable-debacle-intel-pushes-microsoft-bends/
I didn't have to be on the "inside" it came out in the lawsuit that product managers didn't want the Vista Capable mess and that they gave in to pressure from Intel.
The product managers at MS were not even happy with the performance of Vista on low end machines and didn't want the "Vista Capable" crap, but we're overruled by the marketing guys.
Yeah MS handles low end hardware well -- just look at how great those "Vista Capable" machines turned out....
http://www.crn.com/slide-shows/channel-programs/206905984/tracing-microsofts-vista-capable-debacle.htm
Apple is a profit seeking operation as are Google and Android manufacturers. They define "winning
The only Android manufacturers not losing money are HTC and Samsung and HTC's profits are minuscule and declining.
But as far as the US, out of the three carriers that carry the iPhone, they all announced last quarter that iPhone outsold all Android phones combined on their networks.
then how is the worlds most profitable cell phone company selling only 3G phones?
Yes, IE is losing marketshare but w3 schools statistics says nothing about the general population. Of course people who are studying web technologies are going to use other browsers. I would have more confidence if a site like Google or Yahoo published statistics.
Google pays Apple $100 million to be the default search engine not the other way around.
Try again.
1. They measure traffic from partner websites.
2. Apple users may stream more video and audio (but you're assuming facts not in evidence) but most video is not "streamed over the web" there is a difference between "over the web" which net application measures and "over the Internet". Again don't believe me, believe Google and every other company that measures web traffic.
So are you predicting a year over year decline when Apple reports its earnings?