They must start really early then;) I've been getting DSL offers in the mail and even some phone calls when I had their home phone service for the last 12 years but still no DSL availability in my area. I still used the offer to negotiate some saving with Comcast though.
The Wii can still put out whatever they want over RGB and there is no law stating your device (TV) can't accept RGB as an input and still be included.. It states anything playing licensed MPAA content over RGB will be forced to be artificially limited to 480i.
Now what if you have your own video over 480i on say a camcorder or on a BR and would like to use RGB? That I do know if the law or the technology will differential that from "protected" content.
I've tried to follow along in this thread but I have missed something or the conversation gradually changed as it went on.
Are you implying that Apple is protecting the IP rights of software developers by blocking access to the only store to buy the applications that those software developers make? If so, can you explain that logic?
If I was selling applications there and Apple really was blocking jailbroken phones as this article speculates, using just your numbers, that is 4 million less people that have NO chance of ever paying for my software even if they wanted to.
Reply to my own post.. I forgot that some cars, the steering wheel will not lock until the key is removed even if it is on the lock position. So I guess it is not that bad to turn it off, just don't pull out the keys;)
Do not just "turn off" the engine, make it clear to turn the ignition switch back ONE single position, commonly the accessory position. If you completely turn the key the whole way, your steering wheel will lock and you will be just as phucked.
Like "The IT Crowd" for me, I had never heard of that show until browsing around Netflix streaming options. I've found several other shows and movies I would have never considered watching without Netflix streaming. I have Comcast digital cable with free streaming choices too. Okay, maybe the Netflix streaming along with the Hulu and Comcast free streaming options do not have the blockbusters but there is a very good selection of "good enough" commercial free (or limited commercials with Hulu) movies and content to watch.
Use an AMEX card to pay for your stuff. They doubles the factory warranty up to an additional year and provides 90 days of accidental breakage or loss. I've used it several times to get stuff fixed and replaced. The AMEX I have does not have a yearly fee and I pay it off every month so the additional cost for this coverage is nothing. I know this is not the same as what some extended warranties offer but this is additional coverage and it is free.
I got screwed over by BestBuy on an extended warranty for a under cabinent microwave before so unless I can get the extended warranty for free or for a very small % of purchase cost, I don't get them any more.
Agree with your assessment of the capabilities but that is not the "problem". People that buy a small low priced netbook should not be surprised that Hulu at full screen is choppy. If they wanted that capability, they should have bought something else more powerful.
I have a HP 11110NR with an Atom processor, GMA950, 8GB SSD and 2GB ram. It came with a HP branded version of Debian with a custom frontend but I wanted some flexibility so I put Ubuntu on it. Sure, its not a uber powerful machine and flash is unwatchable in full screen but that is not what I have it for.
If the theory behind the ETF is the amount of money they front to subsidize your device then shouldn't it stand to reason that the ETF should change according to the value of the device that you receive?
Yes it does but.. I think the questions the FCC asked would answer both questions about the "cheap" and "advanced phones". Most of the question the FCC asked in the EFT section seem to pertain to how EFT values are reached in general, not just with the advanced devices. I think a thorough answer to that would answer about both/all tiers of phones. If Verizon claims the EFT is based on value, everyone including the FCC could infer that they are over charging for the cheap phones.
I see the subsidizing of phones and the non governmental surcharges that all providers add on as a pure scam to hide the real price. If every single service plan has a non governmental tax added on (like a surcharge or cost recovery fee) than the it should be included in the published price. That 39.99 plan should really be a $43.76 plan and published that way. Similar to a car dealer that charges EVERYONE a $395 doc processing fee for every car sold. Take that concept to the extremes and you can see the problem. What if the mandatory doc fee was $9999 on all new cars and they advertised the price was published as only $3000? It is still $12999 and should be noted as such.
You say you are disgusted with "Slashdot" and then give a speech about how people are fucked up for judging an entire group by the action of a few. You do see the irony there right?
I'm not questioning the fact that things wear out and break and the stuff was probably abused. The customer got frustrated the minute it broke, add to the fact that they can not fix it for themselves it can get more frustrating. Those things happen in both of your scenarios with and without locked down hardware and the frustration points to your hardware for breaking in the first place. The fact that they reached out to third parties is not relevant because the device was ALREADY BROKE and useless and the opinions were formed. Are you actually implying that they would not be frustrated and it is better PR if it broke and they HAD to call and pay you because it was locked down? Are those fair opinions to think the equipment should last 10 years in an uncooled copy room with dust and dumb users banging on the touch screen and knocking over the computer and tripping over the wires from time to time? Probably not but that opinion is no different with and without third party hardware.
Wait, so your equipment as sold was breaking and people were buying questionable replacement parts from a third party and you are blaming the third party for your reputation? I'd think your reputation would take the biggest hit when it broke the first time.
and the lights change brightness when I switch such appliances on and off.
That is interesting. My last two houses I've lived in (both built after 1984), have had different circuits for lighting and outlets. The exception was the microwave mounted above the stove, it was powered by the lighting circuit in that area of the house. On another note, my current house has 12 gauge wiring with 20amp breakers and 20 amp outlets, my previous houses were 14 gauge wire with 15 amp circuits. I haven't cared to research the theory behind that. I assume it is cheaper to use 20 amp because you will have fewer home runs with the wires back to the box and fewer breakers in the box.
Also, do other countries have requirements of where and how many outlets have to be in each room? I believe in most areas of the US, an outlet has to be placed no more than 6 feet from a corner and no more than 12 ft from another outlet working around the room and evenly spaced as much as possible with exceptions for closets and such, 4 ft on the kitchen counters etc...
Apple doesn't make CHEAP computers like $300 netbooks so that cuts out the poor/cheap folks looking only at price.
Don't you think some people buy a sub $300 netbook or PC because it might meet their specific needs? I have an HP Mini that I got for free but they sell for under $250. It does what I need it and expect it to do. What am I missing out on? What am I doing on it that it is failing to perform because it is "cheap"?
I happen to look at the price of EVERYTHING I buy including a bag a frozen vegetables at the grocery store and make a decision if it will meet my needs for that amount of money, I call it maximising the value for my dollar. How do you buy and compare things?
A Mini has nearly all the same features as a stock Dell, plus bluetooth, two video ports and firewire... all items adding $75 more each to that "budget" PC. You can find PC's that have all of the features of the mini for well under the Mini's price. Sure, I can also find PC's that are the same and even more expensive than the Mini too but if you'd like to only compare to the overpriced PC's, that's your choice. Another note, maybe someone does not need or has zero use for firewire, bluetooth, or two video ports on their specific PC, why should they pay for it?
I don't think you understand the case. Yes, an underlying disk operating system was required to run Windows but it did not have to be MS DOS. The point is that MS went out of their way to introduce a 100% fake road block with software and a per processor cost issue to Win 3.1 to those that did not want to also buy MS DOS, it is not that you could not use Dr DOS because it was not compatible, it was because MS used fud and technical measures to make it as hard as possible. I think this example is relevant in many ways to this situation, not quite the same but it involved purposely blocking out competing products that could and did otherwise technically integrate together. Apple, just like MS had a choice on how to handle it, do nothing about it and let the interoperability continue, or devote time and resources to make it not work. They both chose the later. You don't have to agree but I feel they are very similar situations.
There are other online music stores that ONLY sell music and not hardware and they make money. They have less volume as well so the business model can and does make a profit.
First much of iTunes as it exists today was developed by Apple once they bought the original software, so they are fully in their moral right to ONLY let their equipment use it
Soooo... if MS went out of there way to actively prevent or to criple you from running Windows 3.1 on say Dr DOS instead of MS DOS, you would consider that morally and legally okay? MS thought the same thing back then as well.
I don't remember the exact specifics because this was in 2000 but I used a USR modem in my Linux router and attached the DC modem directly to it. I configured pppd and mgetty there to accept a blind "dial" from the DC to get internet access through my cable connection. I guess using the DC broadband adapter would have been easier but they were too costly at the time. That was probably the last time I ever used pap-secrets file.
Apple's fear is that people will install buggy apps that screw up the phone, and then blame Apple. No conspiracy needed.
MaBell used the same arguement as well with non MaBell phones and services and even had the federal government believing it for decades. It did not reflect reality then and it doesn't now.
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Comcast launched a similar service years ago. I think I tried it once.
http://www.comcast.com/About/PressRelease/PressReleaseDetail.ashx?PRID=228
They must start really early then ;) I've been getting DSL offers in the mail and even some phone calls when I had their home phone service for the last 12 years but still no DSL availability in my area. I still used the offer to negotiate some saving with Comcast though.
The Wii can still put out whatever they want over RGB and there is no law stating your device (TV) can't accept RGB as an input and still be included..
It states anything playing licensed MPAA content over RGB will be forced to be artificially limited to 480i.
Now what if you have your own video over 480i on say a camcorder or on a BR and would like to use RGB? That I do know if the law or the technology will differential that from "protected" content.
Exactly how do you pull through the staples? Maybe there isn't any but unless it is in conduit, they're should be.
I've tried to follow along in this thread but I have missed something or the conversation gradually changed as it went on.
Are you implying that Apple is protecting the IP rights of software developers by blocking access to the only store to buy the applications that those software developers make? If so, can you explain that logic?
If I was selling applications there and Apple really was blocking jailbroken phones as this article speculates, using just your numbers, that is 4 million less people that have NO chance of ever paying for my software even if they wanted to.
Reply to my own post.. I forgot that some cars, the steering wheel will not lock until the key is removed even if it is on the lock position. So I guess it is not that bad to turn it off, just don't pull out the keys ;)
Do not just "turn off" the engine, make it clear to turn the ignition switch back ONE single position, commonly the accessory position. If you completely turn the key the whole way, your steering wheel will lock and you will be just as phucked.
I tried that on my Windows machine, it reports the main screen screen size, not the screen the IE instance was actually running on.
Like "The IT Crowd" for me, I had never heard of that show until browsing around Netflix streaming options. I've found several other shows and movies I would have never considered watching without Netflix streaming. I have Comcast digital cable with free streaming choices too. Okay, maybe the Netflix streaming along with the Hulu and Comcast free streaming options do not have the blockbusters but there is a very good selection of "good enough" commercial free (or limited commercials with Hulu) movies and content to watch.
Use an AMEX card to pay for your stuff. They doubles the factory warranty up to an additional year and provides 90 days of accidental breakage or loss. I've used it several times to get stuff fixed and replaced. The AMEX I have does not have a yearly fee and I pay it off every month so the additional cost for this coverage is nothing. I know this is not the same as what some extended warranties offer but this is additional coverage and it is free.
I got screwed over by BestBuy on an extended warranty for a under cabinent microwave before so unless I can get the extended warranty for free or for a very small % of purchase cost, I don't get them any more.
Agree with your assessment of the capabilities but that is not the "problem". People that buy a small low priced netbook should not be surprised that Hulu at full screen is choppy. If they wanted that capability, they should have bought something else more powerful.
I have a HP 11110NR with an Atom processor, GMA950, 8GB SSD and 2GB ram. It came with a HP branded version of Debian with a custom frontend but I wanted some flexibility so I put Ubuntu on it. Sure, its not a uber powerful machine and flash is unwatchable in full screen but that is not what I have it for.
If the theory behind the ETF is the amount of money they front to subsidize your device then shouldn't it stand to reason that the ETF should change according to the value of the device that you receive?
Yes it does but..
I think the questions the FCC asked would answer both questions about the "cheap" and "advanced phones". Most of the question the FCC asked in the EFT section seem to pertain to how EFT values are reached in general, not just with the advanced devices. I think a thorough answer to that would answer about both/all tiers of phones. If Verizon claims the EFT is based on value, everyone including the FCC could infer that they are over charging for the cheap phones.
I see the subsidizing of phones and the non governmental surcharges that all providers add on as a pure scam to hide the real price. If every single service plan has a non governmental tax added on (like a surcharge or cost recovery fee) than the it should be included in the published price. That 39.99 plan should really be a $43.76 plan and published that way. Similar to a car dealer that charges EVERYONE a $395 doc processing fee for every car sold. Take that concept to the extremes and you can see the problem. What if the mandatory doc fee was $9999 on all new cars and they advertised the price was published as only $3000? It is still $12999 and should be noted as such.
You say you are disgusted with "Slashdot" and then give a speech about how people are fucked up for judging an entire group by the action of a few. You do see the irony there right?
I'm not questioning the fact that things wear out and break and the stuff was probably abused. The customer got frustrated the minute it broke, add to the fact that they can not fix it for themselves it can get more frustrating. Those things happen in both of your scenarios with and without locked down hardware and the frustration points to your hardware for breaking in the first place. The fact that they reached out to third parties is not relevant because the device was ALREADY BROKE and useless and the opinions were formed. Are you actually implying that they would not be frustrated and it is better PR if it broke and they HAD to call and pay you because it was locked down? Are those fair opinions to think the equipment should last 10 years in an uncooled copy room with dust and dumb users banging on the touch screen and knocking over the computer and tripping over the wires from time to time? Probably not but that opinion is no different with and without third party hardware.
Wait, so your equipment as sold was breaking and people were buying questionable replacement parts from a third party and you are blaming the third party for your reputation? I'd think your reputation would take the biggest hit when it broke the first time.
and the lights change brightness when I switch such appliances on and off.
That is interesting. My last two houses I've lived in (both built after 1984), have had different circuits for lighting and outlets. The exception was the microwave mounted above the stove, it was powered by the lighting circuit in that area of the house. On another note, my current house has 12 gauge wiring with 20amp breakers and 20 amp outlets, my previous houses were 14 gauge wire with 15 amp circuits. I haven't cared to research the theory behind that. I assume it is cheaper to use 20 amp because you will have fewer home runs with the wires back to the box and fewer breakers in the box.
Also, do other countries have requirements of where and how many outlets have to be in each room? I believe in most areas of the US, an outlet has to be placed no more than 6 feet from a corner and no more than 12 ft from another outlet working around the room and evenly spaced as much as possible with exceptions for closets and such, 4 ft on the kitchen counters etc...
Apple has one of the best due dilligence and patent defence legal teams in the world.
Dude, come on. How do you even begin to attempt to prove a statement like that?
Apple doesn't make CHEAP computers like $300 netbooks so that cuts out the poor/cheap folks looking only at price.
Don't you think some people buy a sub $300 netbook or PC because it might meet their specific needs? I have an HP Mini that I got for free but they sell for under $250. It does what I need it and expect it to do. What am I missing out on? What am I doing on it that it is failing to perform because it is "cheap"?
I happen to look at the price of EVERYTHING I buy including a bag a frozen vegetables at the grocery store and make a decision if it will meet my needs for that amount of money, I call it maximising the value for my dollar. How do you buy and compare things?
A Mini has nearly all the same features as a stock Dell, plus bluetooth, two video ports and firewire... all items adding $75 more each to that "budget" PC.
You can find PC's that have all of the features of the mini for well under the Mini's price. Sure, I can also find PC's that are the same and even more expensive than the Mini too but if you'd like to only compare to the overpriced PC's, that's your choice. Another note, maybe someone does not need or has zero use for firewire, bluetooth, or two video ports on their specific PC, why should they pay for it?
I don't think you understand the case. Yes, an underlying disk operating system was required to run Windows but it did not have to be MS DOS.
The point is that MS went out of their way to introduce a 100% fake road block with software and a per processor cost issue to Win 3.1 to those that did not want to also buy MS DOS, it is not that you could not use Dr DOS because it was not compatible, it was because MS used fud and technical measures to make it as hard as possible. I think this example is relevant in many ways to this situation, not quite the same but it involved purposely blocking out competing products that could and did otherwise technically integrate together. Apple, just like MS had a choice on how to handle it, do nothing about it and let the interoperability continue, or devote time and resources to make it not work. They both chose the later. You don't have to agree but I feel they are very similar situations.
Oh, and there was a court case and it was settled out of court for a speculated to be at least $155 million dollars.
http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/8045/microsoft-settles-dr-dos-antitrust-lawsuit.html
There are other online music stores that ONLY sell music and not hardware and they make money. They have less volume as well so the business model can and does make a profit.
First much of iTunes as it exists today was developed by Apple once they bought the original software, so they are fully in their moral right to ONLY let their equipment use it
Soooo... if MS went out of there way to actively prevent or to criple you from running Windows 3.1 on say Dr DOS instead of MS DOS, you would consider that morally and legally okay? MS thought the same thing back then as well.
The laws for audio and video are different in many areas. I assume that is why most video surveillance gear does not have audio capability.
A quick google search turned this up that gives one example
http://w3.uchastings.edu/plri/96-97tex/video.htm
I don't remember the exact specifics because this was in 2000 but I used a USR modem in my Linux router and attached the DC modem directly to it. I configured pppd and mgetty there to accept a blind "dial" from the DC to get internet access through my cable connection. I guess using the DC broadband adapter would have been easier but they were too costly at the time. That was probably the last time I ever used pap-secrets file.
Apple's fear is that people will install buggy apps that screw up the phone, and then blame Apple. No conspiracy needed.
MaBell used the same arguement as well with non MaBell phones and services and even had the federal government believing it for decades. It did not reflect reality then and it doesn't now.
I thought the emergency number was "0118 999 881 999 119 7253"