Unfortunately, I supsect that if they counted these servers it would make IIS even more dominant. Most companies that I work with (Fortune 1000 and some small/midsize companies) have tons of NT file/print servers around and it's really easy to set up an intranet site for the department on a file server you already have. Most companies use NT for file and print, not linux/samba (sigh)
to nitpick, it's transmogrified, not transmongrified
good catz article though...
As long as old folks can still have someone jailed, then the other stuff isn't as important. We have to find a way to come together, not how to fight each other.
A bit OT, but it does follow that whole "authoritarian" feeling of schools (and senates...).
My cousin was doing a spreadsheet in his 9th grade compsci class, the teacher didn't know squat and slapped the back of his head. So he got up and shoved the teacher.
I guess this wasn't violence from being forced to use a computer on my cousin's part, but the teacher was violent probably because of his rabid fear of computers and that the students knew WAY more about lotus than he did...
We laugh about this story a lot in my family...
How about open source? I know this sounds weird, but we could come up with suggested committee members for a tribunal on technology issues. We could pull this tribunal together and then tell our reps that we want them to help guide laws. This will help avoid badly worded, clueless computer based laws. For instance, we could have some IETF guys, someone from EFF, some industry folks, and maybe some open source folks. That would set up a well balanced group that would probably argue a lot, but really bad "code" (chuckle) wouldn't be likely to make it past them.
Just my $0.02
I agree, none of my addresses have recieved any of these, and I'm in high tech dealing with vendors and customers all the time, so my email is well publicized as I get aobut 20 spams a day at work. (mostly pr0n and loan offers)
I've gotten every other worm though, mostly from people I would have thought were smarter. We had an EVP of our company send out the anna worm.. boy that was awkward...
American law requires a "meeting of the minds" in general for a contract to be valid. This means that if he did not see or understand this and it's an uncommon practice, he may have some groudn to stand on. He may still lose however, because the bulk of the contract (I give you money, you loan me a car) was agreed to and not in dispute.
I think it is wrong that this is out there from a philosophical (libertarian) sense, but I am all for it from a pragmatic sense.
This should only affect people who are not securing their boxes. If they are running unsecured boxes, then this will attempt to patch them so that their resources are not used to attack our hardened machines with malicious code.
Ultimitaly, as the internet grows and becomes less of a "professionals only" party, we will have to deal with all problems this way.
SPAM will be dealt with similarly. Someone will write something to go out and close open relays or nuke machines that are running open relays. Someone else will write an easy to use and propogate program that will keep a RBL and instantly update it across the net so that no spam ever hits more than a few hundred mailboxes before it is black-holed and deleted by everyone at the mail server and client level.
Then SPAM becomes an unprofitable enterprise and we do not have to waste time dealing with it.
I think this is how we have to solve these problems, even though the worm idea is clearly illegal and immoral. It is a matter of pragmatism.
Not to be curt, but my televideo system supported up to 5 terminals and that was about 18 years ago. If you don't have heavy computational needs, there should be a way for you to both pull of the same system. You could also consider running X on the Mac and then finding a slim X terminal for the second user... then you only have one box to administer and listen to.
Man, now they tell me that building a chiller is cool. I actually got into a fight in high school over the refridgerator that I built out of the upper shelf of my locker...
That pretty much burned me from building coolers..
"Disco record sales are up 3000% for the years 1974-1976. If these trends continue... hey!" _ Disco Stu, The Simpsons
Same logic as only tracking dot coms until the dot com peak in 1999.
You can actually get a pretty good price on Business service for DSL.
I get...
5 static IP's
24x7 connection
640 down/256 up
etc.
I host a very low volume server for mail/web/ftp for my convenience and a few friends.
I pay Quest (the telco) $30 US for the DSL charge on my line every month and I pay my ISP $30 a month for their portion.
So, for $60/month more than a standard phone line, I get business class service. (I am actually on a "business" plan since it was the cheapest way to get static IP's.)
I agree, it will be yet another way to demonstrate that this command and control model has costs associated with it. Costs include inconvenience (man hours, lost production). I have sold MS licenses to customers in a previous life, and I think this scheme is great. It will force businesses that thing MS is great to PAY for what they are using. That just makes the free alternatives look even better. I can tell you that when you go to a smaller customer (70PC's and 4-5 NT servers) and tell them that it will cost them $100K just to get themselves compliant with MS, they have to at least think about other alternatives. I personally will not upgrade from Win98 that I run at home for games/etc. I'll probably have a windows partition for a couple of years for doing odd things that are difficult to do in *nix, but I think this is going to cause a lot of people and smaller companies that have been sitting on the fence to take the plunge. This can only be good for Open Source and for Microsoft! (MS will get paid fairly for products that people are using, so MS "wins", but also, as people actually have to pay for MS's "great" software, more of them will move to free/low cost alternatives and be willing to buy support for those programs.)
/RAMBLE
What happens if a virus does delete the activation key from many (think hundreds of thousands) computers at a time? Is Microsoft scaling their registration servers to handle this (with the same forward looking architecture as their old DNS structure?)?
I think this product release will push me to 100% Linux/Solaris computing...
I can see your point but I tend to agree with
"Those who will sacrifice liberty to achieve some safety deserve neither liberty or safety". I believe it was Jefferson that said this.
I definately respect what you are saying, but it seems like schools go out of their way to coddle and protect dangerous people in too many cases, yet they don't protect the rights of people to do mildly aggravating things on the network.
I guess the long and the short of it is that they apply the rules on a one on one basis anyway, so I don't trust them with all that power.
I'm not sure that the risks are any higher now then they used to be, but at my old school, back in the 60's, you could have a shotgun in your dorm room (this was a rural college with lots of hunting opportunities nearby) but you could not have alcohol on campus.
When I attended in the 90's it was reversed. Guns were outlawed, but booze was OK. Go figure...
They are a bit backwards though, in 1997 when I left, we were still fighting to try to make it OK to have an opposite sex member stay in your room after 2am. (This was at a public, land grant university.)
I have the RAITE AVphile and I'm sorry I bought it. The LCD went out after 1 month (I was too lazy to ship it back to the seller). It still works, but during movies there are often times when it freezes up for a couple of seconds and then moves on. It is still "functional" which is the only reason I haven't hucked it. If anyone wants to give me a decent price for it, I still have all the box and user manuals. I'd be happy to unload. I'm going to switch to using my PC for playback... even under windows 98, it is more robust than this player. (Just hate to lose the remote feature.)
I agree. If you choose to use bloated, proprietary software, you should pay for it. Also, I work for a large consulting company (in sales) andwe have a couple customer a year that come to us because they got a letter from BSA. Sure enough, they end up needing a bunch of MS lics to get to compliance, but that's only fair since they chose that technology. (I TRIED to get them to "buy" free Solaris and gnu programs...)
Hey Ed and gang...
I did some quick math. On the satellite solution's page, they mention that the sat is 22,000 miles above the equator. So, i calculated the BEST possible ping time you could have...
(22,000milesX5280ft/mile)divided by 3ft/meter, divided by 300,000,000 meter/sec (speed of light) is about.3872 sec per leg (387 millisecs), but there's 4 legs on the journey, so even if the routers were instantaneous, you couldn't possibly have a ping time less than 4x.3872 sec = 1.5488 sec.
That's rediculous. I was going to buy one until this, but not now...
I guess majoring in chemistry paid off:>
After reading these posts for a few months it seems there are two major issues with mp3 sharing.
1. Some people feel that "fair use" involves all non-commercial distribution. I'm personally teetering on this one and haven't made up my mind which way to go.
2. The justice to the artist and distributors.
This is what this article is about. I and many others I know, would love to "buy" high quality, non-truncated mp3's for legal use if the price were right and the service was good.
I will not pay "per use", but I would pay per song or flat rate per month to use the service.
What I'd like to see is high quality, standard mp3 files that can be played anywhere (not locked to a certian device or certain number of plays). I'd pay between 25 cents and 1 dollar per song depending on the song and how new/hot it was.
I think this is fair. It lets me get high quality music for my use at a price that's fair while compensating the artists/distribution channel for their efforts. The prices would be set by the artists, or there could be come kind of AI logic that would determine pricing for a particular song based a number of variables.
Just my $.02
"Win32 aint done until WinOS/2 won't run" - MS Developement team.
I really believe this is the right way for US citizens to decide what "fair use" is. The start-ups will never have the amount of money needed to wage lawsuits against the larger concers. (read mp3.com vs RIAA).
It also isn't fair under the current system that people that are legitimately in business to make money off of IP can't count on a fair and stable political/court environment.
Therefore, it seems like the best way is to propose legistlation so that it can be discussed and debated and we can come out with something that (most) everyone can agree on.
IMHO anyway.
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Unfortunately, I supsect that if they counted these servers it would make IIS even more dominant. Most companies that I work with (Fortune 1000 and some small/midsize companies) have tons of NT file/print servers around and it's really easy to set up an intranet site for the department on a file server you already have. Most companies use NT for file and print, not linux/samba (sigh)
What they really should have done is to sell the coffee pot and the webcam so that someone could set it up if they wanted... woulda been cool.
I'm not smart enough to have sig so here it is...
"Nope, I'm not using OS/2 or NCSA Mosaic anymore, and it's just sad"
This is definately OT, but this should almost be a slashdot headline by itself...
It's cool to look at these shows... I wish there were some in my area (southern Idaho), but I wanted to make the observation...
I haven't seen one comment yet that says "but you can buy a new PC so cheap now, why mess with it."
I think it's a sign of the times that we are (as a group) economizing a bit.
doesn't bode will IMHO
to nitpick, it's transmogrified, not transmongrified good catz article though... As long as old folks can still have someone jailed, then the other stuff isn't as important. We have to find a way to come together, not how to fight each other.
A bit OT, but it does follow that whole "authoritarian" feeling of schools (and senates...). My cousin was doing a spreadsheet in his 9th grade compsci class, the teacher didn't know squat and slapped the back of his head. So he got up and shoved the teacher. I guess this wasn't violence from being forced to use a computer on my cousin's part, but the teacher was violent probably because of his rabid fear of computers and that the students knew WAY more about lotus than he did... We laugh about this story a lot in my family...
How about open source? I know this sounds weird, but we could come up with suggested committee members for a tribunal on technology issues. We could pull this tribunal together and then tell our reps that we want them to help guide laws. This will help avoid badly worded, clueless computer based laws. For instance, we could have some IETF guys, someone from EFF, some industry folks, and maybe some open source folks. That would set up a well balanced group that would probably argue a lot, but really bad "code" (chuckle) wouldn't be likely to make it past them. Just my $0.02
I just can't figure out how they got the tapes back from Mars. Did it take them 25 years? 4/1/2001
I agree, none of my addresses have recieved any of these, and I'm in high tech dealing with vendors and customers all the time, so my email is well publicized as I get aobut 20 spams a day at work. (mostly pr0n and loan offers) I've gotten every other worm though, mostly from people I would have thought were smarter. We had an EVP of our company send out the anna worm.. boy that was awkward...
American law requires a "meeting of the minds" in general for a contract to be valid. This means that if he did not see or understand this and it's an uncommon practice, he may have some groudn to stand on. He may still lose however, because the bulk of the contract (I give you money, you loan me a car) was agreed to and not in dispute.
I think this is the way.
Let me explain.
I think it is wrong that this is out there from a philosophical (libertarian) sense, but I am all for it from a pragmatic sense.
This should only affect people who are not securing their boxes. If they are running unsecured boxes, then this will attempt to patch them so that their resources are not used to attack our hardened machines with malicious code.
Ultimitaly, as the internet grows and becomes less of a "professionals only" party, we will have to deal with all problems this way.
SPAM will be dealt with similarly. Someone will write something to go out and close open relays or nuke machines that are running open relays. Someone else will write an easy to use and propogate program that will keep a RBL and instantly update it across the net so that no spam ever hits more than a few hundred mailboxes before it is black-holed and deleted by everyone at the mail server and client level.
Then SPAM becomes an unprofitable enterprise and we do not have to waste time dealing with it.
I think this is how we have to solve these problems, even though the worm idea is clearly illegal and immoral. It is a matter of pragmatism.
Not to be curt, but my televideo system supported up to 5 terminals and that was about 18 years ago. If you don't have heavy computational needs, there should be a way for you to both pull of the same system. You could also consider running X on the Mac and then finding a slim X terminal for the second user... then you only have one box to administer and listen to.
Man, now they tell me that building a chiller is cool. I actually got into a fight in high school over the refridgerator that I built out of the upper shelf of my locker... That pretty much burned me from building coolers..
"Disco record sales are up 3000% for the years 1974-1976. If these trends continue... hey!" _ Disco Stu, The Simpsons Same logic as only tracking dot coms until the dot com peak in 1999.
You can actually get a pretty good price on Business service for DSL.
I get...
5 static IP's
24x7 connection
640 down/256 up
etc.
I host a very low volume server for mail/web/ftp for my convenience and a few friends.
I pay Quest (the telco) $30 US for the DSL charge on my line every month and I pay my ISP $30 a month for their portion.
So, for $60/month more than a standard phone line, I get business class service. (I am actually on a "business" plan since it was the cheapest way to get static IP's.)
Just my $0.02
I agree, it will be yet another way to demonstrate that this command and control model has costs associated with it. Costs include inconvenience (man hours, lost production). I have sold MS licenses to customers in a previous life, and I think this scheme is great. It will force businesses that thing MS is great to PAY for what they are using. That just makes the free alternatives look even better. I can tell you that when you go to a smaller customer (70PC's and 4-5 NT servers) and tell them that it will cost them $100K just to get themselves compliant with MS, they have to at least think about other alternatives. I personally will not upgrade from Win98 that I run at home for games/etc. I'll probably have a windows partition for a couple of years for doing odd things that are difficult to do in *nix, but I think this is going to cause a lot of people and smaller companies that have been sitting on the fence to take the plunge. This can only be good for Open Source and for Microsoft! (MS will get paid fairly for products that people are using, so MS "wins", but also, as people actually have to pay for MS's "great" software, more of them will move to free/low cost alternatives and be willing to buy support for those programs.)
/RAMBLE
What happens if a virus does delete the activation key from many (think hundreds of thousands) computers at a time? Is Microsoft scaling their registration servers to handle this (with the same forward looking architecture as their old DNS structure?)? I think this product release will push me to 100% Linux/Solaris computing...
I can see your point but I tend to agree with "Those who will sacrifice liberty to achieve some safety deserve neither liberty or safety". I believe it was Jefferson that said this. I definately respect what you are saying, but it seems like schools go out of their way to coddle and protect dangerous people in too many cases, yet they don't protect the rights of people to do mildly aggravating things on the network. I guess the long and the short of it is that they apply the rules on a one on one basis anyway, so I don't trust them with all that power.
I'm not sure that the risks are any higher now then they used to be, but at my old school, back in the 60's, you could have a shotgun in your dorm room (this was a rural college with lots of hunting opportunities nearby) but you could not have alcohol on campus. When I attended in the 90's it was reversed. Guns were outlawed, but booze was OK. Go figure... They are a bit backwards though, in 1997 when I left, we were still fighting to try to make it OK to have an opposite sex member stay in your room after 2am. (This was at a public, land grant university.)
I have the RAITE AVphile and I'm sorry I bought it. The LCD went out after 1 month (I was too lazy to ship it back to the seller). It still works, but during movies there are often times when it freezes up for a couple of seconds and then moves on. It is still "functional" which is the only reason I haven't hucked it. If anyone wants to give me a decent price for it, I still have all the box and user manuals. I'd be happy to unload. I'm going to switch to using my PC for playback... even under windows 98, it is more robust than this player. (Just hate to lose the remote feature.)
I agree. If you choose to use bloated, proprietary software, you should pay for it. Also, I work for a large consulting company (in sales) andwe have a couple customer a year that come to us because they got a letter from BSA. Sure enough, they end up needing a bunch of MS lics to get to compliance, but that's only fair since they chose that technology. (I TRIED to get them to "buy" free Solaris and gnu programs...)
They'd probably use SMS to prove that they didn't have it in inventory. They would not open up their "security" ;) to let an outsider look in.
Hey Ed and gang... I did some quick math. On the satellite solution's page, they mention that the sat is 22,000 miles above the equator. So, i calculated the BEST possible ping time you could have... (22,000milesX5280ft/mile)divided by 3ft/meter, divided by 300,000,000 meter/sec (speed of light) is about .3872 sec per leg (387 millisecs), but there's 4 legs on the journey, so even if the routers were instantaneous, you couldn't possibly have a ping time less than 4x.3872 sec = 1.5488 sec.
That's rediculous. I was going to buy one until this, but not now...
I guess majoring in chemistry paid off :>
After reading these posts for a few months it seems there are two major issues with mp3 sharing. 1. Some people feel that "fair use" involves all non-commercial distribution. I'm personally teetering on this one and haven't made up my mind which way to go. 2. The justice to the artist and distributors. This is what this article is about. I and many others I know, would love to "buy" high quality, non-truncated mp3's for legal use if the price were right and the service was good. I will not pay "per use", but I would pay per song or flat rate per month to use the service. What I'd like to see is high quality, standard mp3 files that can be played anywhere (not locked to a certian device or certain number of plays). I'd pay between 25 cents and 1 dollar per song depending on the song and how new/hot it was. I think this is fair. It lets me get high quality music for my use at a price that's fair while compensating the artists/distribution channel for their efforts. The prices would be set by the artists, or there could be come kind of AI logic that would determine pricing for a particular song based a number of variables. Just my $.02 "Win32 aint done until WinOS/2 won't run" - MS Developement team.
I really believe this is the right way for US citizens to decide what "fair use" is. The start-ups will never have the amount of money needed to wage lawsuits against the larger concers. (read mp3.com vs RIAA). It also isn't fair under the current system that people that are legitimately in business to make money off of IP can't count on a fair and stable political/court environment. Therefore, it seems like the best way is to propose legistlation so that it can be discussed and debated and we can come out with something that (most) everyone can agree on. IMHO anyway.