I *never* saw the slashdot problem in Firefox up until recently, when I blew away my Firefox installation (on Windows) and did a fresh install of 1.0.1.
Sun should open source their Chillisoft acquisitions, which include a fully function VB runtime environment, and migrate everyone using Classic ASP and Classic VB onto the newly open platform.
Off topic a bit, but what is a good distro for servers in general? I've always picked Debian due to the fact it feels Unixish to me, and can be very cleanly installed. Local Community College uses Red Hat, and the SysAdmin swares by it. Any comments?
I like tinysofa enterprise server. But I'm biased, since I created it and maintain it. But, in case you're bored and want to try yet another distribution, here's a description:
tinysofa is a distribution that's based on Fedora Devel/RHEL4 (with ABI compatibility with RHEL4), uses APT for package management, is fast (I've done serious benchmarks that show a 30% performance increase over RHEL3 [haven't had a chance to test against RHEL4 yet.]), aims to be secure (most services are turned off by default, most configurations only listen on localhost, includes SELinux), and is a (IMHO) good mixture between bleeding edge and stability (Mono/ASP.NET is shipped in the base distribution), and contains features I've found useful in my day-to-day work as a SysAdmin for the last 6 years (DRBD, UCARP, Slony1 for PostgreSQL replication, etc) and has a lot of other goodies included in the 'extras' APT repository (things like Xfce, nagios, exim, clamav, amavisd-new, snort, ntop, etc.)
On top of that, we have an amazingly friendly and helpful mailing list.
So if you're bored, check it out.:)
I'm also currently working on an embedded distribution based on TES, and have a fully functional RH-like system in under 44MB of disk. Should be available as soon as I've completed the work.
Now if they tried to make an "enterprise" Fedora that would be an interesting project. But just recompiling RHEL sources into a "new" distro seems to cheapen "enterprise".
I've attempted to do this with my distribution, tinysofa.
The "enterprise" version is basically a Fedora [23]/R*EL 3 (:-))/with some ideas borrowed from SuSE (/srv)/Conectiva (svn used for development) and Debian (apt-get for package management) hybrid (with a lot of custom stuff too, of course.)
It comes with ASP.NET support (+ mono), PHP5, DRBD, UCARP, Slony1 (for PostgreSQL replication), etc. And it all fits on one CD (with X and GTK+ included, too.)
There's also an 'extras' repository for other things that one wouldn't normally ship on a "server" distribution, e.g., a complete Xfce desktop, Beep Music Player, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc.
I created it to achieve something similar to what Redhat 7.3 (the greatest OS ever created by man kind:-)) was... and whilst we have a small community (only around 110 people on the general discussion list, 70 on the announce list, and 30 on the classic discussion list) most would describe it as their ideal distribution (I suppose that's why they use it, but still, we have some very happy users:-))
The people are friendly, and the distribution has seen a pretty strong uptake in the SMB area, as well as in personal home firewalls/routers/etc.
Some major charities are using it as their platform of choice (some even run development machines with Oracle 10g on it -- works perfectly fine!:) and it is being deployed in 110 communities in Pakistan, as well as throughout China.
Just go to distrowatch.com and read the rave reviews.
It looks good, it detected all my hardware on multiple machines and set everything up properly, and it's extremely user friendly.
IMHO, the best desktop Linux distribution on the market today. And I've been using Linux since '95 and have never seen it as well put together as Xandros.
Oh, and it has shiny graphical interfaces for software installation and what not.
Eat an Apple every time you feel like you need a buzz. Provides more of a buzz than caffiene, apparently, without any of the side effects (dehyrdation, diaeretic, etc), and on the upside, it's good for your teeth, w00t.
Also, PLENTY of water. You'll be surprised how many problems you have just drinking water will fix. Something like 95% of people don't drink the 2 litres of water a day they're supposed to.
The only downside to the water drinking, is that you need to pee every hour or so. But it does cleanse your system, and it's good time away from the keyboard (and since you don't want RSI, all the better!)
When BSD peddlers like you say things like "there are a huge number of technical advantages" without having a single factual piece of evidence to back it up with. Same goes for your "less stable" crapola.
What are you comparing exactly? GNOME vs KDE under?
It's not like glib doesn't reimplement the STL and has GString.
I need more info!
'Provides a number of significant features' like? (apart from that one. Which I don't think is all that important. If it were, people would be doing it under Windows [seriously]. I want Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V and Ctrl-X to do the same thing in every application? Maybe? Maybe you don't. But I can see the logic behind system-wide bindings instead of application only? But what else does it have?)
Errr... I paid AUD$2000 for MS Visual Studio.Net 2003.
And any remotely useful component for Windows programming (which is painful by itself) costs money, and it all adds up pretty damn quick.
What you get with Qt rocks. It makes programming fun, and provides many needed components anyway, that you'd be paying for individually, but at least they were designed to work together in Qt.
Oh, that, and Qt's documentation is UNMATCHED. GNOME/GTK/glib documentation is mediocre. So is KDEs for that matter. MSDN has them beat in that regard. But Qt's docs are second to none.
I could go on... but I'd get bored.
MS have C# and the.NET Framework now, which IMHO has saved them in the developers eyes.
MFC and Win32API suck so much. I don't know a single person who enjoys using that crap.
But anyway... GTK+ vs Qt (or GNOME APIs vs KDE APIs) is another long story. I'll sum it up:
GTK+ is a hodge podge of a bunch of libs that may or may not work together easily... it all depends on how the developer was feeling. Want to get that libart buffer onto a GTK Widget? Seems like a common thing to do right? Yeah... code it yourself. Want a toolbar that works? Use libegg... but libegg doesn't actually exist, so copy and paste the code from libegg into your application. And change it as required... hmmm... now every application maintains its own toolbar code.
What about components and communication under GNOME? Yuck. Bonobo/ORBit suck. Have you seen the amount of code required to make something a 'component'? Then instantiate it? Argh!!!
Compare this to Qt/KDE, where everything is A) uniform, because the libraries rock. Maybe C++ helps in this regard. B) Everything is a component and can be used: want IMAP or POP or SMTP or HTTP in your application? 3-4 lines of code to get an instance, and use it. HTML renderer? It's there. Try embedding Mozilla, or using gtkhtml3/libgtkhtml in your application. Maybe what, 1000-2000 LOC in C? C) DCOP rocks. You can make your application totally scriptable with DCOP very very easily (some actions even come for free! Just by having a KApplication instance.)
I don't know... the funny thing is, I still use GNOME... but I wish it was KDE. I like the look and feel of GNOME... but I wish it was as easy to develop for as KDE is. PyGTK helps a bit, but it's slow. Maybe Mono + Gtk# will help? Seems to be the way it'll go. I'm willing to bet GNOME 3.0 or 4.0 will be mostly C# based.
Meh... I wish for a lot of things.
I might as well lay down the prediction here.
GNOME will win (and not because it's better. But because there's more attention focused on it. And GNOME lays claim to stuff that isn't even GNOME based, like Mozilla or OOo. But anyway. Evolution beats out Kmail, Mozilla beats out Konqi, OOo beats out KOffice. The GIMP is unmatched. Too bad all that stuff doesn't work properly together. Sigh)
It'll mostly be coded for using C# (Miguel is a freaking genius. I'll go so far as to call him a visionary.)
D-BUS will rock (but not until version 2.0 -- the current spec is very immature. It needs way better security and the protocol has clearly not been thought out well. These guys should look at Spread and maybe use XML-RPC or SOAP or whatever over that. They'll get inter-computer communications as a bonus. D-BUS is such an obvious idea that I can't believe no one thought of it earlier. I suppose KDE has DCOP but it just isn't the same concept.
D-BUS will be _the_ system wide communication bus under Linux/*NIX.
HAL will also rock, and of course it'll use D-BUS. Plug in that Camera and your camera application will pop up. USB drive? pops up on your desktop like Mac OS X. And so forth.
Xserver will become the defacto standard on Linux. There's no doubt about that.
Everything freedesktop.org does will be the standard. It's a good thing what they're doing rocks. But I wonder about Havoc's capabilities sometimes (OK
What "we" (i.e., open source community) should do is pool some cash together and make an ad that isn't affiliated with a company, with your proposed content.
Just like "we" (i.e, open source community) should start a global fund to pay for some of the wages/part of the wages of open source developers, or donate to projects and what not.
Or a protection fund to help out users who get hassled by SCO.
But then again, the "community" is only convienent when it's free, right?
Look at blender, they raised $100,000USD. Now that was pretty damn successful.
I have the exact same problem with the screensavers. I'm pretty sure its my ATI Rage 128 Pro, or the drivers for it.
I turned them off, and my uptime is like 50 days in X right now. So apart from that, it's OK.
Anyway, you might want to have a look at Trustix Secure Linux at http://www.trustix.org/
It's not a desktop distro, so it doesn't have X, etc included, but it's a damn good server distro.
I'll be moving all my Red Hat servers (5.0 -> 9) to TSL2.0 very soon; that's around 100 servers.
I've just finished fixing root-on-raid, aic79xx (Adaptec U320 stuff) and a whole bunch of other stuff for TSL2.0. Also, we switched over our website from Redhat9+PHP+Apache2 to TSL+PHP+Apache2, and it seems a little more stable to me. I was worried about that stuff too.:-)
Check it out. It's a 300MB ISO, updates are rsync-able, and you can create your own ISOs easy. It comes with a free apt-like updater called 'swup' which does all sorts of cool shit, and you can run your own swup repositories (all you need is an ftp server/http server, etc), add your own RPMs easily, and so forth.
Disclaimer: I recently joined the TSL development team. And I also think it's an awesome distro:-)
I'd be surprised if, on Redhat Retirement Date, there wasn't a mailing list and archive that sprung up with all the 6.2 and 7.3 users co-operatively releasing security updates for packages and what not.
Even then, I think Redhat 9 has reached maturity, and should be considered in the next upgrade cycle. I've been waiting on it to mature for a while now:-)
About 4 of you have written the same thing, with the general gist of 'switch to FreeBSD.'
Sure, you say that's not what you're saying, but you are.
Anyway, here's the thing. Logic seems to be lacking in your argument.
Upgrading to Redhat 9 would cost nothing. Switching to Debian would cost nothing.
There is no physical box surrounding that Redhat ISO. It also doesn't cost $350,000 to download and install Redhat 9 on all your systems.
FreeBSD is therefore, _NOT_ less expensive than a comparable solution, i.e, upgrading Redhat, or switching distributions.
The poster, by specifically mentioning he wants the Enterprise Server edition of Redhat, wants support from Redhat. Otherwise, why would he pay?
Also, FreeBSD cannot replace Linux in many situations. It's not a drop-in replacement.
I have yet to see concrete evidence that suggests that FreeBSD is somehow 'better' than Linux. There are never any facts backing such statements up. And I don't think Linux is 'better' than FreeBSD either.
How about this, let's make a deal: you use what you want, and I'll use what I want.
And when you start waving your 400 day FreeBSD uptime at me, I'll do the same with my Linux uptime. OK?
I don't know how these 'switch to FreeBSD' posts are marked as 'Interesting.'
Any system administrator worth their salt would compare all available options and choose the solution that's right for them. You FreeBSD peddlers are under the mistaken belief that people using Linux have never looked at or played with FreeBSD.
With posts like these, I'm beginning to think it's the other way around: you havn't touch a Linux box in 5 years, or you've never done an emperical study when evaluating the two operating systems for your particular needs.
Yeah, I know. I have a compatible TV (a year old Panasonic widescreen HDTV which happily runs all my Dreamcast NTSC/PAL60 games, Region 1 DVDs and so on.)
I've tried everything, it just doesn't work.
Anyway, if Super Monkey Ball 2 worked, and that was NTSC, then the rest should work also.
Slashdot Mirror
HTTP authentication can be used to get your feed without logging into GMail. You'll need to use https, though.
Well written and argued.
But how would you design Apache's config format to be simple and still retain the same amount of flexibility?
It's funny you should mention that.
I *never* saw the slashdot problem in Firefox up until recently, when I blew away my Firefox installation (on Windows) and did a fresh install of 1.0.1.
Even then, I only see the issue when logged in.
Sun should open source their Chillisoft acquisitions, which include a fully function VB runtime environment, and migrate everyone using Classic ASP and Classic VB onto the newly open platform.
The US patent is enforcable in any country upholding the WIPO agreement.
I like tinysofa enterprise server. But I'm biased, since I created it and maintain it. But, in case you're bored and want to try yet another distribution, here's a description:
tinysofa is a distribution that's based on Fedora Devel/RHEL4 (with ABI compatibility with RHEL4), uses APT for package management, is fast (I've done serious benchmarks that show a 30% performance increase over RHEL3 [haven't had a chance to test against RHEL4 yet.]), aims to be secure (most services are turned off by default, most configurations only listen on localhost, includes SELinux), and is a (IMHO) good mixture between bleeding edge and stability (Mono/ASP.NET is shipped in the base distribution), and contains features I've found useful in my day-to-day work as a SysAdmin for the last 6 years (DRBD, UCARP, Slony1 for PostgreSQL replication, etc) and has a lot of other goodies included in the 'extras' APT repository (things like Xfce, nagios, exim, clamav, amavisd-new, snort, ntop, etc.)
On top of that, we have an amazingly friendly and helpful mailing list.
So if you're bored, check it out.
I'm also currently working on an embedded distribution based on TES, and have a fully functional RH-like system in under 44MB of disk. Should be available as soon as I've completed the work.
Please don't perpetuate the name. People have been doing this for years, and it was never called "Ajax."
Adaptive Path did not invent this method.
I've attempted to do this with my distribution, tinysofa.
The "enterprise" version is basically a Fedora [23]/R*EL 3 (:-))/with some ideas borrowed from SuSE (/srv)/Conectiva (svn used for development) and Debian (apt-get for package management) hybrid (with a lot of custom stuff too, of course.)
It comes with ASP.NET support (+ mono), PHP5, DRBD, UCARP, Slony1 (for PostgreSQL replication), etc. And it all fits on one CD (with X and GTK+ included, too.)
There's also an 'extras' repository for other things that one wouldn't normally ship on a "server" distribution, e.g., a complete Xfce desktop, Beep Music Player, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc.
I created it to achieve something similar to what Redhat 7.3 (the greatest OS ever created by man kind
The people are friendly, and the distribution has seen a pretty strong uptake in the SMB area, as well as in personal home firewalls/routers/etc.
Some major charities are using it as their platform of choice (some even run development machines with Oracle 10g on it -- works perfectly fine!
Hi Folks,
Please take it easy on 'wwwmaster'.
'www' fell over a couple of hours ago, and a couple of mirrors are coming online to round-robin the address.
Can someone please change the the first link ("PostgreSQL project") in the story to point to 'www'?
Thanks.
Just go to distrowatch.com and read the rave reviews.
:)
It looks good, it detected all my hardware on multiple machines and set everything up properly, and it's extremely user friendly.
IMHO, the best desktop Linux distribution on the market today. And I've been using Linux since '95 and have never seen it as well put together as Xandros.
Oh, and it has shiny graphical interfaces for software installation and what not.
Try it.
You don't need to compile, secure and test the thing.
Just install an RPM and run a client.
It'll take you all of 10 minutes.
Eat an Apple every time you feel like you need a buzz. Provides more of a buzz than caffiene, apparently, without any of the side effects (dehyrdation, diaeretic, etc), and on the upside, it's good for your teeth, w00t.
Also, PLENTY of water. You'll be surprised how many problems you have just drinking water will fix. Something like 95% of people don't drink the 2 litres of water a day they're supposed to.
The only downside to the water drinking, is that you need to pee every hour or so. But it does cleanse your system, and it's good time away from the keyboard (and since you don't want RSI, all the better!)
Nature is a wonderful thing...
You know what shits me?
When BSD peddlers like you say things like "there are a huge number of technical advantages" without having a single factual piece of evidence to back it up with. Same goes for your "less stable" crapola.
Please enlighten us, oh one full of wisdom.
How is GTK faster and more modular than Qt?
What are you comparing exactly? GNOME vs KDE under?
It's not like glib doesn't reimplement the STL and has GString.
I need more info!
'Provides a number of significant features' like? (apart from that one. Which I don't think is all that important. If it were, people would be doing it under Windows [seriously]. I want Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V and Ctrl-X to do the same thing in every application? Maybe? Maybe you don't. But I can see the logic behind system-wide bindings instead of application only? But what else does it have?)
Errr... I paid AUD$2000 for MS Visual Studio.Net 2003.
.NET Framework now, which IMHO has saved them in the developers eyes.
And any remotely useful component for Windows programming (which is painful by itself) costs money, and it all adds up pretty damn quick.
What you get with Qt rocks. It makes programming fun, and provides many needed components anyway, that you'd be paying for individually, but at least they were designed to work together in Qt.
Oh, that, and Qt's documentation is UNMATCHED. GNOME/GTK/glib documentation is mediocre. So is KDEs for that matter. MSDN has them beat in that regard. But Qt's docs are second to none.
I could go on... but I'd get bored.
MS have C# and the
MFC and Win32API suck so much. I don't know a single person who enjoys using that crap.
But anyway... GTK+ vs Qt (or GNOME APIs vs KDE APIs) is another long story. I'll sum it up:
GTK+ is a hodge podge of a bunch of libs that may or may not work together easily... it all depends on how the developer was feeling. Want to get that libart buffer onto a GTK Widget? Seems like a common thing to do right? Yeah... code it yourself. Want a toolbar that works? Use libegg... but libegg doesn't actually exist, so copy and paste the code from libegg into your application. And change it as required... hmmm... now every application maintains its own toolbar code.
What about components and communication under GNOME? Yuck. Bonobo/ORBit suck. Have you seen the amount of code required to make something a 'component'? Then instantiate it? Argh!!!
Compare this to Qt/KDE, where everything is A) uniform, because the libraries rock. Maybe C++ helps in this regard. B) Everything is a component and can be used: want IMAP or POP or SMTP or HTTP in your application? 3-4 lines of code to get an instance, and use it. HTML renderer? It's there. Try embedding Mozilla, or using gtkhtml3/libgtkhtml in your application. Maybe what, 1000-2000 LOC in C? C) DCOP rocks. You can make your application totally scriptable with DCOP very very easily (some actions even come for free! Just by having a KApplication instance.)
I don't know... the funny thing is, I still use GNOME... but I wish it was KDE. I like the look and feel of GNOME... but I wish it was as easy to develop for as KDE is. PyGTK helps a bit, but it's slow. Maybe Mono + Gtk# will help? Seems to be the way it'll go. I'm willing to bet GNOME 3.0 or 4.0 will be mostly C# based.
Meh... I wish for a lot of things.
I might as well lay down the prediction here.
GNOME will win (and not because it's better. But because there's more attention focused on it. And GNOME lays claim to stuff that isn't even GNOME based, like Mozilla or OOo. But anyway. Evolution beats out Kmail, Mozilla beats out Konqi, OOo beats out KOffice. The GIMP is unmatched. Too bad all that stuff doesn't work properly together. Sigh)
It'll mostly be coded for using C# (Miguel is a freaking genius. I'll go so far as to call him a visionary.)
D-BUS will rock (but not until version 2.0 -- the current spec is very immature. It needs way better security and the protocol has clearly not been thought out well. These guys should look at Spread and maybe use XML-RPC or SOAP or whatever over that. They'll get inter-computer communications as a bonus. D-BUS is such an obvious idea that I can't believe no one thought of it earlier. I suppose KDE has DCOP but it just isn't the same concept.
D-BUS will be _the_ system wide communication bus under Linux/*NIX.
HAL will also rock, and of course it'll use D-BUS. Plug in that Camera and your camera application will pop up. USB drive? pops up on your desktop like Mac OS X. And so forth.
Xserver will become the defacto standard on Linux. There's no doubt about that.
Everything freedesktop.org does will be the standard. It's a good thing what they're doing rocks. But I wonder about Havoc's capabilities sometimes (OK
Not to mention VS.Net.
Which is really slow and sluggish at times.
Argh.
You do realise people have been using NIS/YP and/or LDAP to do centralised accounts on *nix for the last decade, at least?
What "we" (i.e., open source community) should do is pool some cash together and make an ad that isn't affiliated with a company, with your proposed content.
Just like "we" (i.e, open source community) should start a global fund to pay for some of the wages/part of the wages of open source developers, or donate to projects and what not.
Or a protection fund to help out users who get hassled by SCO.
But then again, the "community" is only convienent when it's free, right?
Look at blender, they raised $100,000USD. Now that was pretty damn successful.
OK, I admit that maybe I should have posted that comment in the parent thread, not as a reply to your thread.
I just get extremely annoyed every time something about SCO or a Linux distribution comes up, and there are 20 posts saying 'switch to FreeBSD!'.
But yes, the question itself wasn't adequately informative.
I have the exact same problem with the screensavers.
:-)
:-)
I'm pretty sure its my ATI Rage 128 Pro, or the drivers for it.
I turned them off, and my uptime is like 50 days in X right now. So apart from that, it's OK.
Anyway, you might want to have a look at Trustix Secure Linux at http://www.trustix.org/
It's not a desktop distro, so it doesn't have X, etc included, but it's a damn good server distro.
I'll be moving all my Red Hat servers (5.0 -> 9) to TSL2.0 very soon; that's around 100 servers.
I've just finished fixing root-on-raid, aic79xx (Adaptec U320 stuff) and a whole bunch of other stuff for TSL2.0. Also, we switched over our website from Redhat9+PHP+Apache2 to TSL+PHP+Apache2, and it seems a little more stable to me. I was worried about that stuff too.
Check it out. It's a 300MB ISO, updates are rsync-able, and you can create your own ISOs easy. It comes with a free apt-like updater called 'swup' which does all sorts of cool shit, and you can run your own swup repositories (all you need is an ftp server/http server, etc), add your own RPMs easily, and so forth.
Disclaimer: I recently joined the TSL development team. And I also think it's an awesome distro
I'd be surprised if, on Redhat Retirement Date, there wasn't a mailing list and archive that sprung up with all the 6.2 and 7.3 users co-operatively releasing security updates for packages and what not.
:-)
Even then, I think Redhat 9 has reached maturity, and should be considered in the next upgrade cycle. I've been waiting on it to mature for a while now
Yeah. That source thing becomes a problem when you're managing 100 servers.
Then you thank $DIETY that RPM exists.
Hello, FreeBSD people.
About 4 of you have written the same thing, with the general gist of 'switch to FreeBSD.'
Sure, you say that's not what you're saying, but you are.
Anyway, here's the thing. Logic seems to be lacking in your argument.
Upgrading to Redhat 9 would cost nothing.
Switching to Debian would cost nothing.
There is no physical box surrounding that Redhat ISO. It also doesn't cost $350,000 to download and install Redhat 9 on all your systems.
FreeBSD is therefore, _NOT_ less expensive than a comparable solution, i.e, upgrading Redhat, or switching distributions.
The poster, by specifically mentioning he wants the Enterprise Server edition of Redhat, wants support from Redhat. Otherwise, why would he pay?
Also, FreeBSD cannot replace Linux in many situations. It's not a drop-in replacement.
I have yet to see concrete evidence that suggests that FreeBSD is somehow 'better' than Linux. There are never any facts backing such statements up. And I don't think Linux is 'better' than FreeBSD either.
How about this, let's make a deal: you use what you want, and I'll use what I want.
And when you start waving your 400 day FreeBSD uptime at me, I'll do the same with my Linux uptime. OK?
I don't know how these 'switch to FreeBSD' posts are marked as 'Interesting.'
Any system administrator worth their salt would compare all available options and choose the solution that's right for them. You FreeBSD peddlers are under the mistaken belief that people using Linux have never looked at or played with FreeBSD.
With posts like these, I'm beginning to think it's the other way around: you havn't touch a Linux box in 5 years, or you've never done an emperical study when evaluating the two operating systems for your particular needs.
In short: meh.
Not quite.
ASIC is the Australian equivalent of the SEC.
ACCC is the equivalent of the BBB.
Yeah, I know. I have a compatible TV (a year old Panasonic widescreen HDTV which happily runs all my Dreamcast NTSC/PAL60 games, Region 1 DVDs and so on.)
I've tried everything, it just doesn't work.
Anyway, if Super Monkey Ball 2 worked, and that was NTSC, then the rest should work also.