The best bit about the RIP act is the set of clauses where, when you refuse to hand over the keys you can be prosecuted. Worse, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove you never had the keys in the first place. (Allegedly logic tells us that you can never prove a negative, so this is impossible.)
Latin and Greek are the basis for the technical vocabulary for most languages.
I know this, given that I study a (vaguely)technical subject (Chemistry) and that I studied both latin and greek at school for a fair number of years.
Thus, using latinate words for technical stuff makes it easier to translate to other languages later on. Using English words and relying on idiosyncratic relations between them (byte vs. nibble, e.g.) makes it a pain to translate to other languages. So it's just a practical issue.
Certainly that is another side of the argument, yes. It does not detract from my original point, however, that sometimes it is better to escape the associations tied to such words.
A good example of this is in France: bytes vs. octets.
I've got to say it again, this is B.S. You can give no objective justification to such a statement. Believe me; I'm a linguistics guy. Or look it up yourself in an intro to linguistics course.
Hmmm. I was told this by a cunning computational linguist: you forgive me if I am sceptical of what you say.
Arthur C Clarke wrote the first sci-fi book with one in that I know of (forgotten name but set in (Sri Lanka), but the idea was originally put forward by a Russian.
'A good laboratory runs on three things: Mars Bars, Blutack and Araldite.'
Although I prefer 'A good scientist/techie/engineer (delete as appropriate) amways has the following three things to hand: Dr Pepper, Duct tape and wherever possible, pizza.'
Given that I do all of the above on my venerable P120 NEC laptop (finally converted to running something which contains a system and operates, ie. Linux) I agree to a certain extent.
This does not mean, however that I wouldn't like, say, a machine running a couple of alphas with about a gig of ram!
Personally, I don't like software which tries to do things for me...if I want help, I'll press the goddamn button!
As a user who is neither a security expert nor involved (except at the user level) in this sort of work (at the moment) I think that there cannot be enough security.
Bland statement? Probably so, however this sort of thing is important: I like my private data secure and in an increasing climate of your data being stored on various networks, you should too.
The problem is that _computer_ security is not enough. Unless staff who work in offices where networked computers are available are similarly vigilant (particularly non-open-plan offices) anyone can just walk in and get access by looking for an unnoccupied office where someone has logged in and gone for lunch, leaving their level of access freely available.
In the company I worked for during the summer the security ran on what I like to call the 'sea urchin' model (there is probably a formal name of which I am unaware); tough as hell on the outside but gooey once defences are breached.
Exampl: Okay, you've been changing the layout of one of the databases and you're logged in with root access. You go for lunch but get sidetracked into an inpromptu meeting. Someone with mischeif on their mind walks in and then can do some unpleasant stuff - or gain access to privileged data. Unrealistic? Alas, I think not.
Oh really.
Why exactly are such neologisms bad if they explain the phenomenon at hand adequately? Indeed perhaps they are better on the grounds that their 'sense' and the ideas that they produce are not keyed to classical languages such as Latin and Greek. (Neither of which I can speak, but I can write both. BTW the computer I am writing from is located at the Ecole Nat. Sup. de Chimie in Clermont-Ferrand, France, where I am spending the third year of my four year undergrad masters.)
If you wish to say that, latin, for example is an efficient a language as english - you'd clearly be wrong. Latin does have many useful features like a consistent grammar but does not have the strength in depth that english does.
It should of course be noted that there is no thing as a synonym really, because all of the different expressions for the same thing have different origins and varied associations.
Elgon
To be somewhat blunt, horseshit.
My Pa is an anaesthetist - a specialist in hitting people on the head with a calcluated chemical blackjack - and he has to constantly update his knowledge and attend seminars and courses.
I certainly agree that the culture of thirsting for knowledge and constant (re)education is the way forward.
Elgon
>>I'm voting for whichever candidate promises to abolish INS/BP and grant citizenship to anyone who promises to shut the fuck up about how much better it was in the old country.
Lol!
Best comment I've seen yet!
Elgon
I assume that you are talking about US. The startup I worked for as an intern over the summer was started by two comp sci students. The CEO is the same age as me and now worth about 1E6 times as much as me. Depressing.
Seriously though. I do want to work in the US, although not because I want to get a green card, more because I would like to broaden my horizons. I certainly wouldn't work for a crap wage - here in the UK I will probably get a reasonably well paid job out of Uni. Getting paid an extra few quid doesn't really mean that much to me.
English is a pain in the ass to learn; harder, say, than french or german. There is a payoff, though, English as is generally spoken is more flexible and good at conveying complex concepts than many other languages. (Oh and, yes before you start, I do speak English, French and a little German).
I bow to a good comment.
Although I was never educated in the American system I am often told (apocryphal evidence only, I admit) that it has eschewed much in the way of science and mathematics, rather in the way that science is on the wane here in the UK.
When you have a vice-president who has made such great comments as 'Which planet are we sending this (Hubble Space Telescope) to?' It is definitely time to worry.
Elgon
Cheers a bunch,
because I live in the UK I'm a racist.
'Trouble does not come from kikes, slopes, niggers or white capitalist pigs - it comes from the heart.' Holidays in Hell, PJ O'Rourke.
I am not a racist, although racism here is prevalent in some sectors of society, particularly poorly educated males of all races. Next time you open your gob, use your brain first.
Elgon
I think that this is called, à la PJ O'Rourke, 'Double immigration policy on the rocks'. Oh and by the way, look up the difference between there, they're and their.
Elgon, Foreign Bastard who _can use the English language.
Okay, yeah so let's chuck all the foreigners out. How's about starting with you, unless of course you can prove you are purely Indian derived!
Personally, as a foreigner (UK) who lived in the States as a kid (my father got a visa to teach and practice medicine over there) and who is seriously considering moving over there once I get my master's I feel that this sort of woeful ignorance just plain sucks.
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Straight up and no messing, MP.
The best bit about the RIP act is the set of clauses where, when you refuse to hand over the keys you can be prosecuted. Worse, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove you never had the keys in the first place. (Allegedly logic tells us that you can never prove a negative, so this is impossible.)
Wanna stitch someone up. Easy life!
Elgon
I know this, given that I study a (vaguely)technical subject (Chemistry) and that I studied both latin and greek at school for a fair number of years.
Thus, using latinate words for technical stuff makes it easier to translate to other languages later on. Using English words and relying on idiosyncratic relations between them (byte vs. nibble, e.g.) makes it a pain to translate to other languages. So it's just a practical issue.Certainly that is another side of the argument, yes. It does not detract from my original point, however, that sometimes it is better to escape the associations tied to such words.
A good example of this is in France: bytes vs. octets. I've got to say it again, this is B.S. You can give no objective justification to such a statement. Believe me; I'm a linguistics guy. Or look it up yourself in an intro to linguistics course.
Hmmm. I was told this by a cunning computational linguist: you forgive me if I am sceptical of what you say.
Fond regards.
Elgon
Excellent, muchas gracias.
Elgon
The space elevator idea is an old one.
Arthur C Clarke wrote the first sci-fi book with one in that I know of (forgotten name but set in (Sri Lanka), but the idea was originally put forward by a Russian.
Elgon
My Pa always has a saying,
'A good laboratory runs on three things: Mars Bars, Blutack and Araldite.'
Although I prefer 'A good scientist/techie/engineer (delete as appropriate) amways has the following three things to hand: Dr Pepper, Duct tape and wherever possible, pizza.'
Elgon
Given that I do all of the above on my venerable P120 NEC laptop (finally converted to running something which contains a system and operates, ie. Linux) I agree to a certain extent.
This does not mean, however that I wouldn't like, say, a machine running a couple of alphas with about a gig of ram!
Personally, I don't like software which tries to do things for me...if I want help, I'll press the goddamn button!
Elgon
As a user who is neither a security expert nor involved (except at the user level) in this sort of work (at the moment) I think that there cannot be enough security.
Bland statement? Probably so, however this sort of thing is important: I like my private data secure and in an increasing climate of your data being stored on various networks, you should too.
The problem is that _computer_ security is not enough. Unless staff who work in offices where networked computers are available are similarly vigilant (particularly non-open-plan offices) anyone can just walk in and get access by looking for an unnoccupied office where someone has logged in and gone for lunch, leaving their level of access freely available.
In the company I worked for during the summer the security ran on what I like to call the 'sea urchin' model (there is probably a formal name of which I am unaware); tough as hell on the outside but gooey once defences are breached.
Exampl: Okay, you've been changing the layout of one of the databases and you're logged in with root access. You go for lunch but get sidetracked into an inpromptu meeting. Someone with mischeif on their mind walks in and then can do some unpleasant stuff - or gain access to privileged data. Unrealistic? Alas, I think not.
Elgon
Oh really. Why exactly are such neologisms bad if they explain the phenomenon at hand adequately? Indeed perhaps they are better on the grounds that their 'sense' and the ideas that they produce are not keyed to classical languages such as Latin and Greek. (Neither of which I can speak, but I can write both. BTW the computer I am writing from is located at the Ecole Nat. Sup. de Chimie in Clermont-Ferrand, France, where I am spending the third year of my four year undergrad masters.) If you wish to say that, latin, for example is an efficient a language as english - you'd clearly be wrong. Latin does have many useful features like a consistent grammar but does not have the strength in depth that english does. It should of course be noted that there is no thing as a synonym really, because all of the different expressions for the same thing have different origins and varied associations. Elgon
To be somewhat blunt, horseshit. My Pa is an anaesthetist - a specialist in hitting people on the head with a calcluated chemical blackjack - and he has to constantly update his knowledge and attend seminars and courses. I certainly agree that the culture of thirsting for knowledge and constant (re)education is the way forward. Elgon
>>I'm voting for whichever candidate promises to abolish INS/BP and grant citizenship to anyone who promises to shut the fuck up about how much better it was in the old country. Lol! Best comment I've seen yet! Elgon
Interesting,
I assume that you are talking about US. The startup I worked for as an intern over the summer was started by two comp sci students. The CEO is the same age as me and now worth about 1E6 times as much as me. Depressing.
Elgon
Touché.
Seriously though. I do want to work in the US, although not because I want to get a green card, more because I would like to broaden my horizons. I certainly wouldn't work for a crap wage - here in the UK I will probably get a reasonably well paid job out of Uni. Getting paid an extra few quid doesn't really mean that much to me.
Elgon
English is a pain in the ass to learn; harder, say, than french or german. There is a payoff, though, English as is generally spoken is more flexible and good at conveying complex concepts than many other languages. (Oh and, yes before you start, I do speak English, French and a little German).
Elgon
I dunno if a 'lunatic' would be used for the denizens of the moon, however the word certainly does derive from the common 'luna-' root.
Parade ye not your ignorqnce.
Elgon
I bow to a good comment. Although I was never educated in the American system I am often told (apocryphal evidence only, I admit) that it has eschewed much in the way of science and mathematics, rather in the way that science is on the wane here in the UK. When you have a vice-president who has made such great comments as 'Which planet are we sending this (Hubble Space Telescope) to?' It is definitely time to worry. Elgon
Cheers a bunch, because I live in the UK I'm a racist. 'Trouble does not come from kikes, slopes, niggers or white capitalist pigs - it comes from the heart.' Holidays in Hell, PJ O'Rourke. I am not a racist, although racism here is prevalent in some sectors of society, particularly poorly educated males of all races. Next time you open your gob, use your brain first. Elgon
I think that this is called, à la PJ O'Rourke, 'Double immigration policy on the rocks'. Oh and by the way, look up the difference between there, they're and their. Elgon, Foreign Bastard who _can use the English language.
Okay, yeah so let's chuck all the foreigners out. How's about starting with you, unless of course you can prove you are purely Indian derived!
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Personally, as a foreigner (UK) who lived in the States as a kid (my father got a visa to teach and practice medicine over there) and who is seriously considering moving over there once I get my master's I feel that this sort of woeful ignorance just plain sucks.
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Elgon