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Intel's Roadmap For the Future
A SV reader writes "SharkyExtreme just posted the confidential Intel desktop roadmap for CPUs. Intel is really pushing AMD with a Tulatin at 1.26GHz. and a Pentium4 at 2GHz shipping Q3 of 2001.
Also -- Intel is not abandoning RDRAM but they are adding support of DDR memory. The bottom line is that Intel is developing SDR/DDR SDRAM chipsets for future Intel processors."
If this means they'll get the 1.13 GHz chips working? I mean hey - they could always clock them down to 1 GHz and sell them to IBM for thier new line of systems, the "Approxima". (Bad joke, recycled I know, but hey - it was the first thing that came to mind!).
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Shouldn't they make sure they're able to get their 1 Giggers out before they make such plans?
wow, if only we could all evolve vertical relationships; imagine a world in which innovative front-end technologies ceaselessly synergize turn-key networks; it would be a landslide, a paradigm shift, a breakpoint. Now all I need to do is visualize my bleeding-edge niches and I will be complete...
Finally, Intel gets back to SDRAM chipsets (DDR as well, woohoo!). Guess that Pentium III 866 with the 820 chipset and 128 MB PC800 RDRAM is already obsolete. I was going to win that, too. Oh well, now for Northwood...
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
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...considering their past problems above 1 GHz. Maybe they should get their current chips working right in quantity first, m'kay? This is more vaporware from Chipzilla - don't believe it until you see it.
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I'm pretty sure that sharkyextreme has the name wrong. I'm about 99% sure that the name they're trying to spell is Tualatin (a city in Oregon) rather than Tulatin (nothing pertinent). Since Intel is based in Oregon, it would make sense, and would also continue their choosing of Pacific Northwest names (Klamath, Willamette etc).
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Even if some of the details were supposed to be "highly confidential", the fact that Intel employees were giving information to what is essentially a content website erases that idea somewhat.
The information may be completely accurate or not, but it is the writer(s) at Sharkey Extreme who have put together the roadmap which we are reading, not Intel.
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Sure, we get hotter and sweatier. Sure, we burn up even more energy. Yes, we know that 13% of all electricty used in the world is for powering computers (according to a recent U.N. summit). And we all know that most of the electricity is being generated through burning fossil fuels.
Maybe we like 80-day droughts in Texas thanks to global warming.
None of that matters, though. It's too much work to move to more efficient processor designs. Why scratch our heads over big-endian/little-endian translations when we can just slap on a bigger heat sink and cooling fan? Why give up our flying toaster screen savers?
Let's stick to our 1970's-architecture processors for now. It was good enough for our pocket calculators, it will be good enough for mapping the human genome. Maybe we'll even find a way to alter our DNA so our skin is UV-resistant and our bodies need less water.
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Out of curiousity, when did Intel become bad? Reading the posts on this board you'd think they were against everything sacred to Slashdot and the Open Source movement. If anything, aren't they for Open Source (does AMD have a Linux strategy?)
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Now that were going to have some "AMD SMP lovin," even on the cheap Durons, Intel is really going to be feeling a pinch.
Especially since the new mobo's supporting this are going to be arriving soon.
I'm putting off the current upgrade until I can get one of these babies.
Intel, meanwhile, has removed SMP support from the Celerons. Oops, bad timing.
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New cases and powersupply will be required. I just spent over $1000 upgrading my Pentium machines to PIIs. I think I'll just stick with my freon-cooled-atx-case-in-a-freezer pIII 800mhz overclocked to 1.6ghz thank you
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...is it just me, or does Tulatin sound suspiciously much like Too-Late-in? Just a thought...
...Intel will be outgunned by the AMD Athlon until the 130 nanometer die shrink in 2H 2001, at which point they get SledgeHammered?
Remember, they won't be able to produce very many of the *huge* P4 chips on their existing 180 nanometer fabs. It'll be like the 60MHz and 66MHz Pentiums were when they first came out (to ward off the Am486), only much worse.
With the recent problems with 1Ghz supplies and the instability of the 1.13 Ghz how credible is that roadmap?
I mean, sure they might release those CPUs at those given time... but they also released 1Ghz about 8 months ago and I still have troubles finding one. I don't think AMD should be really worried by that.
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Make boards for several types and let us pick which ones work best. Maybe that would stick the proverbial fork in RDRAM.
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AMD promised a speed step upgrade of the Athlon every 6 weeks - it started with the 1.1GHz Athlon a few weeks ago - the 1.2GHz Athlon should be released by the beginning of October. 1.3GHz in November, and 1.4GHz at the beginning of the new year. The Athlon is the PIII competitor - they have roughly the same amount of zoom in them, both 0.18micron at the moment etc. The Pentium 4, when it is released, will be a hugely expensive processor, trying to compete with Alphas from Compaq and Power3/4 processors from IBM. It is not going to compete for the desktop, corporate or home for at least a year.
So AMD will be outgunning Intel for another 6 months, possibly 9 months in terms of GHz and overall performance (ignoring the Pentium 4, as it really should figure here, and even so, the overall performance of the Athlon 1.3GHz is likely to be more than the 1.5GHz Pentium 4!)
Still, good to see Intel going with DDR SDRAM at last, and the move to 0.13micron fabs is great - although 1 taiwanese fab is already there and making stuff. AMD are going 0.15micron, probably using Motorola technology there, as the G4's were 0.15 micron...
I assume that was a joke?
AMD will be at 1.2GHz THIS year, not Q3/2001!
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You talk of intels vaporware but where are the SMP athlon chipsets? AMD claims the athlon can be used in dual or quad states but so far no one has made even a prototype. Intel isn't going anywhere in the high end server market until AMD comes up with a SMP design.
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From near the end of the article :
ICH3 - Integrated Controller Hub 3 adds six USB 2.0 ports. From what we saw at IDF, USB 2.0 is going to revolutionize external I/O on consumer systems. We just wish we could see IEEE 1394 instead.
Intel will never support IEEE1394, and continue to push USB 2.0+ instead, because of the peer-to-peer nature of IEEE1394 - meaning you dont need a PC to connect compliant devices together. They like their own closed standard, which unfortunately is likely to become the de facto standard due with their weight behind it.
So, don't expect IEEE1394 in Intel chipsets. Ever.
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If this is like Intel's latest roadmaps the destination will probably be reached, but after meandering through a few small hamlets, an out of the way tourist trap, and a few picturesqe look-out points. At which time they will discover that the picnic they were driving to has been over for three weeks.
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PS. Note that I'm talking about desktop CPUs here (which is what the roadmap is about). Servers are an entirely different matter.
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Sure, and when did they say Itanium (formerly Merced) was supposed to be released?
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In an unprecedented move today, Intel announced that they would be taking the processor battle to another level, changing there previous policy of one press release a month to one a week. They stated that they will be announcing the release of faster processors weekly, a move that clearly has competitors worried.
In related news, AMD quickly responded by announcing a new, faster processor press release will go out twice a week, a policy that could be revised as soon as December.
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This is funny:
Tualatin Valley Fire & Rescue misspelled its own name!
Proof of this is that Tualatin is spelled correctly in the medallion.
The name is Tualatin, and Sharkey's Extreme has it wrong in the early parts of the article.
Intel is really pushing AMD with a Tulatin at 1.26GHz. and a Pentium4 at 2GHz shipping Q3 of 2001.
Haha, whoops. I thought the Pentium4 2GHz would be shipping with Quake3. I gotta stop playing games as much as I do. Anyways, I'm an AMD person. I used to be 3dfx until my eyes caught on the GeForce2 GTS 64mb (Which I proudly own). Maybe the P4 will impress me enough to switch out from using AMD. Hell I went from my Celery 333 to Athlon 750. I could very well switch to Pentium4 if it's worth my money.
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This is stupid. You post a link to some one else's story, and they clearly state that it isn't from intel. It is just what they think. "This information is not from Intel nor is it solid fact."
I think they are trying to be aggressive to beat out AMD at something these days. They have good cpu's, but can they deliver more than one cpu on their release dates? what really is a 'release' to them, they 'have' one cpu that is past beta?
Regarding the chipsets, VIA's struggles are laughable. The boards always fizzle under the pressure (either physically or performance-wise). They embrace such gaudy, redundant standards as DMI, ACPI, and AC97. Their 4-in-1 drivers always introduce new problems into the system, after the driver engineers just got finished with last month's bugs. Currently, there is no Linux distribution whatsoever that can run any VIA chipset 100%. Even if the system is running, the ATA chipset is running on PIO 4, and the sound system can't be initialized. What do you expect from the world's only sweatshop PCB manufacturer?
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
WTF?
...they have Ghz chips in decent supply on the market (Not just OEM dists)
...they haven't had no farkin recall.
Like Intel is all that these days. What about an AMD Roadmap? They're the ones that have truly broken the 1Ghz barrier:
Right now the only roadmap Intell should be following is catch-up with AMD's footsteps
I've been looking for this P3 mentioned here (page 11) but I think it only exists in Intels mind. Anyone ?
The Sharkey's Extreme article is spread out over several pages to force you to see ads which you are probably not seeing, since you have trained yourself not to look.
The following links are pages that show Intel CPU plans, and are useful for someone planning a computer purchase who wants to avoid early obsolescence. (The spaces in Page X are put in by a bug in the Slashdot code.):
Pag e 7, Pag e 8, Pag e 9, Pa ge 10, Pa ge 11, Pa ge 12, Pa ge 13
Those who use the Opera browser can load all the pages simply by holding down the control and shift keys while left-clicking on the links above.
The initial name for one of Intel's chips is Tualatin, not Tulatin. Sharkey's Extreme has it wrong in the first part of the article.
This is funny:
Tualatin Valley Fire & Rescue misspelled its own name! Proof of this is that Tualatin is spelled correctly in the medallion.
I don't watch SharkeyExtreme very often but from these two articles they seem like intel zealots who don't really look deeply into the processor problems and see what truly is going on. I don't doubt this article at all, I just question the depth of the article. I don't see any true questions raised about the chips and chipsets just repetition of how good they will be and how much they will give AMD a run.
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One thing you learn working around the gov't is that if you collect enough nonclassified information together you may eventually end up with a product that ends up being classified. It is quite possible that the people being interviewed did not individually expose any company secrets, but when everything was corelated together a bigger picture was revealed.
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ArsTechnica has a pretty decent article:
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RISC vs. CISC: the Post-RISC Era
http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/4q99/risc-cisc/r
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I think only Dell, the Intel's bitch, got it. Never seen it anywhere else.
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Also, the reason many of you can't get those nice 1G P3's are because Intel's biggest ties are to OEM's. It is fairly easy to get a gig p3 these days from the likes of Dell. And if you actually think about it, it's not illogical. If Intel can't provide to Dell or other Tier 1 OEM's, they get a CEO and a company breathing down their necks. But if Joe's PC Hardware in East Bumble doesn't have a gig p3, it's not nearly as much of a problem.
AMD should easily be able to beat that! They have actual quantities of shipping 1.1Ghz chips now, so achieving 2Ghz with their Mustang should be a piece of cake. If it wasn't for Dell Intel would be done by now.
Even if you were right (that we were still using CISC), your rant would be mis-directed.
... argument? ... weren't so tenuous, the dripping sarcasm can hardly inspire the guilty parties to change their minds. To over-simplify, this post is like a bumper-sticker that says "quit wasting, asshole!"
If a particular architechture is more efficient, it will win as long as the consumer is allowed to choose which they may use. The more efficient design, whatever it may be, will cost the consumer less in the long run (lower electric bill, longer battery life on laptops, etc). Noone wants waste. Waste exists because the market is coerced via monopolies and mis-directed government regulations.
While few will contest that humans are a very important part of ecology, the actual relationship between our actions and global warming is not decided. We don't have enough data. We should do the best we can with what we have, but the judgements you're making (seemingly against "greedy corporations") are not substantiated.
If it's even flying toaster screen savers consume enough energy to be noticable, it costs the people who power the machines. While it's true that they are costing the environment some minuscule amount, the only problem with the circle is that the cost of energy should probably be higher to account for the unknown costs of converting the original energy source into electricity.
Now even if your
Yes, humans have a measureable impact on the environment. No, we don't know how how much of what's going on is within our power to manipulate. Yes, we should take full responsibility. No, angry, sarcastic, guilt-ridden rhetoric isn't getting us anywhere.
AMD and Intel need to adopt a naming standard for their processors. Remember 386 and 486, you knew exactly what you were getting. Sure, things are a lot more advanced, but someone should be able to think up a way to create naming based on speed, cache size, etc. Any ideas?
I'm a hardware engineer, working on a 1GHz sparc processor, and (if you really want it) I can build you a 2 GHz (or even a 3 or 4 GHz) processor right now... today.
But...
This doesn't mean that it will outperform a 500MHz machine at all.
Intel can blow as much "GHz" smoke it wants out of it's ass, but it doesn't mean that the processor will be a top performer.
But... the average dolt on the street thinks more Hz means higher performance, and the processor companies know this. So... they start dropping back the number of operations completed per clock cycle in order to run their clock frequency through the roof.
The consumers think, "Oooooohh.... that's cool," and start buying cruddy processors with horrible architecture, simply because there is that friggin GHz tag stuck on it.
Think about it for a second....
If you have a 1GHz machine that does "X" operations per clock cycle, a 500MHz chip that performs "2X" operations per cycle will perform just as well , and probably cost 1/10th as much.
It's the drooling, GHz-horny consumer that encourages these companies to unload crap into the market.
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#1. This is not a confidential intel roadmap, nor is it even represented to be one. It stipulates all that on the first page.
#2. Even if it was direct from the horses mouth (or Intel's) it would not be meaningful except historically. Intel has been lately forced to rush their chips to match market forces where for years they were able to determine their pace of innovation on their own. As such we have watched them flounder.
#3. As to WHO needs 2ghz chips, who needs more than 640k ram? In 5 years we have to assume that applicaitons will be much more involved on some levels. The idea of wordprocessing might be dead by then, with dictation as the primary purpose. Multimedia interactive reports might be the norm, and pure text might be considered retro...
#4. Multiple Processors would be nice if we had truly modular computers. I would love to see a computer which you can just snap together from parts and increase in ram, processors, storage, and such without any limitation, and without turning off machines. Anyone wanna give me some money to create it?
I would love to see a computer which you can just snap together from parts and increase in ram, processors, storage, and such without any limitation, and without turning off machines.
Like the SGI 3000? Granted, the modules are pretty big...
People often don't like things that do too well. It's like a lazy man's version of "king of the hill", where you complain about whoever currently occupies the spot. That accounts for the majority of Microsoft bashing too.
In a way it reminds me of Orwell's Animal Farm.
As for the chipset, my 440BX is at about 90F. The DDR RAM chips on my GeForce 2 are usually about 110F. My P3 is about the same. I dare you to stick your finger on the 750 chipset and the CPU itself. Chances are, you can't even hold it on there for more than 300 milliseconds before getting scorched by the 180F heat.
As for the boards, at least mine wasn't built in a sweatshop. Speaking of foreign, I'm guessing that you are of either German or Russian nationality. Considering that AMD is funded by the German government, the very fact that you step right up to their defense solidifies my theory. "They are %100 percent compatible." Isn't that a little redundant?
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
I've noticed this for a long time. Intel is the enemy, regardless of what they do.
Hope all is clear now.
I checked the electromagnetic spectrum, and microwaves (specifically, the frequency used in the kitchen appliance) are 2.5 GHz. Is there anyone else worried that their CPU could become a magnetron?
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
...how the hell does it compare to the almighty Vax! Vax: cool, stanky, old, big, cool. bladder #UnixPunx/EFnet
180F heat? Maybe in a 120F room. My A7V mobo and 800MHz T-bird typically run at 105F.
"It's basically the same thing with the Athlon clocking PC133 RAM at 200 MHz."
Last I checked, the "200 MHz bus" on the AMD boards are really 2x100 MHz busses.
Can I have some of that crack too ?
Lars -
You might want to check out linux-ide.org or the people/hedrick directory on a kernel.org mirror. ATA100 was supported in Linux before they were supported in any Microsoft OS, as Andre is eager to point out in the README.
README-UltraDMA-100 05-Jun-2000 08:12
Greetings All,
Just announced this morning by Quantum Ultra ATA/100.
Linux has native support for several host adapters and more will be
in the future. To the best that I can tell, we beat MircoSoft to the
hardware.
Cheers,
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The Linux ATA/IDE guy
http://www.linux-ide.org/
ide.2.4.0-t1-ac8-100.0605.patch.gz
ide.2.4.0-t1-ac8-100.0605.patch.bz2
Lars -
fps
I rest my case
Johan V.
Being informed hepls sometimes.
- I've 1 GHz Athlon work very well without a peltier unit. No informed reports have reached me stating otherwise.
- The Athlon is compatible with the x86 architecture.
- AMD is not overclocking PC133 RAM to 200 MHz. The memory runs at 100 or 133 MHz clockspeed. The bus runs at 200 MHz. These are two different things.
Next time, please be better informed, or refrain yourself from posting pretending to 'know stuff'.
Kind regards,
Johan V.
It goes to show that AMD still has no respect for standards.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
It's because these sites lack something that the printed magazines possess: credibility. They're too afraid to put something in print, they might be wrong, or worse, the company might sue them. But think about it: why aren't reputable computer manufacturers using AMD CPUs? Dell, HP, Micron, they don't use anything AMD, not even their SCSI or network controllers. Their servers are Xeon, their workstations are P3. These companies would rather avoid trouble with AMD when the chip makers gets busted for consorting with the German government to take over the world. As far as AMD's deals are concerned, I believe that they are forming a secret faction with the German, Russian, and Chinese governments to build a fourth reich.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
yes, it sucks. karma is sort of a matter of pride...you can identify those who are more meaningful to the community by it. Sure after a certain point it is not all that useful but it is still nice to see that ticker go up.
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With systems as fast as these (or with anything over 600 MHz), fps won't really tell you much.
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