Slashdot Mirror
LinuxWorld Report, Day 2
greechneb writes "Roblimo is reporting again on LWCE's second day. Check out his reports on break dancers, hp, suse, gentoo, linux on laptops, and most important, free booze." See yesterday's story if you missed it. Some other LWCE notes: United Linux is sucking in more partners, and even Microsoft won one of the show awards. And yes, Robin is going around asking the interview questions. :)
what's MS doing at a linux event? *gasp*
That must be a large typo. Did MS really win at a "linux" conference? should be: "Most damaging company"
free booze and break dancers?!?!? i guess that beats balmer dancing around like an idiot for 5 minutes. yet more proof that linux is cooler than M$.
xao
xao
http://TheHillforum.hopto.org
Stay tuned for days 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 AND 10!
All here soon!
I believe it was "Best Monopoly"
bah -- i'm going to Porndex!
-- OMFG = Oh My Floatse Goatse
Lap dancers and free booze? I'm there! ...Huh? Break dancers? Oh, never mind.
That may be the key to getting Linux adopted in more places.
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
The article on UnitedLinux's new partners has a number of interesting tidbits. First of all, I was completly unaware that SCO was such a major contendor in the group, has anyone thought about how this fits into their supposed lawsuits against Linux vendors? If they are really intending to sue, it could be a way to harm Redhat, and the other non-UnitedLinux distributions.
As for the new partners mentioned in the article, none of them seem that major. All that UnitedLinux seems to get out of it is the ability to use a name, and all the companies (HP, Intel, IBM, and AMD) get out of it is prerelease code.
I've noticed that the turnouts having dipped a bit over the past year have now got back to a relatively healthy level.
Let's face it though, it's all still a bun fight - how much real business is done through these shows that's not prearranged?
for services for UNIX.
Sounds like they've started to take us seriously. Now the cry is, "If you use Linux servers you should use Windows desktops!" and, "If you use Linux desktops you should use Windows servers!" and, "You can easily migrate from Linux to Windows!"
I wonder how successful they will be. I always saw Linux and Microsft as allies in the war against overpriced UNIX system vendors like Sun and SGI. Interesting to see what will happen now that they are fighting each other.
someone mention free booze, I didn't see any!
The hottest thing I've seen at this show so far is a guy with six piercings jumping up and down on a Dance Dance Revolution device hooked to a Linux computer
How did Roblimo know that the guy had six piercings? Was he completely naked? Perhaps that should have said 'six visible piercings'.
HH
As much as I hate to say it, I'd say thats fair. what were the competition? I don't know. It probably consisted of dos2unix text file converter, Samba, and maybe something else or so. WINE sure doesn't cut that mustard. so I guess I've got to say, this shows that the judges had level heads and didn't discriminate.
Regardles, Viva Linux!
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
Why Microsoft was right about Linux
" Linux on Intel-based computers is now likely to become the dominant platform in corporate data centers, according to a recent report from investment bank Goldman Sachs. That puts even more pressure on Microsoft to persuade Unix users to stick with its Windows operating system on Intel systems rather than move to Linux. (That's no easy feat these days.) Indeed, if it fails to stop the groundswell, Microsoft may be forced to radically rethink its strategy as none of the company's server platform products now run on Linux. One scenario offered by analysts at First Boston has Microsoft switching gears and supporting Linux on key subsystems like Exchange and SQL Server and the .Net framework. And then there's the IBM factor to consider." Not much new there, but some details in the article ARE new and interesting.
Computerized text bullying opening new chapter in student harassment Weird News
I think maybe what Microsoft needs to do is to buy up a company or two that puts out whatever distribution. Perhaps the first one they should snatch up should be Ninnle Linux.
Now we need a CNet / EWeek story with said headline.
Help fight continental drift.
Microsoft - Services for Unix 3.0,
Nice getting an award for that.
Just like they had support for Novell, nice of Microsoft to include support for Novell, but wait!! after a while it was only used to upgrade Novell servers to NT servers?
OK, a serious question about Services for Unix, that got a definite "maybe" on an Interix newsgroup:
Now that Services for Unix includes the formerly separate "Interix" product (which as I understand it is a POSIX-compliant sub-system for win2k), is it possible to run X Windows and a window manager and *still* run native Win32 apps from the window manager (and have them behave reasonably)?
I was trying to get a demo of Interix to try it, but I couldn't...
why dont i get to go to linux-dex instead of being @ work on a friday? i would take advantage of the free booze and do some break dancing for ya. booooooooooooooooooooooooo *u can tell its a friday afternoon when slashdot gets really busy* everyone else is just putting in time...working for the weekend...*loverboy*
[I can picture a world without war, without hate. I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it]
I'm confused. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/howtobuy/defa ult.asp. How can a non-open source product win an open source excellence award? Some of the basic utilities are GPL. The product requires per-seat and/or per-server licensing and licenses for each person who connects. That's a proprietary license.
Developers: We can use your help.
Drove down from NH wednesday, went to the show yesterday with my brother [who lives in NY]. Not like going to trade shows back in the big boom days (read as not much free stuff), but still pretty fun.
... now that it's been hacked to run Linux I didn't feel too much pain in my soul. My brother refused to come within 5 feet of the booth.
... I dunno, anyway
.org rocked and was way better overall. Got my GNU shirt. Even applied for the Linux credit card because of the hot chicks shilling.
... guess it took to long to install *grin*
Odd things I noticed:
although there were tons of Linux Journals, SysAdmin's and C/C++ mags, Dr. Dobbs was empty all day. Either everyone else reads it or they only sent a dozen to the show.
Saw _several_ SGI ALtix's, even got a picture of me standing next to them. Even though they've gone to the dark side [x86] they were very friendly and had a nice booth.
Ximian had the best booth by far, the whole jungle theme rocked. Unfortunately they were right next to Microsoft.
Speaking of, the were tre chic in black long sleeve shirts and jeans. I admit that I dropped my business card in the fishbowl for a chance to win a free Xbox
Sun was awesome. Got DVD's of Solaris 9 for both x86 and Sparc. They've sold out and gone x86 as well, but I still have a thing for old Sparc SBUS boxen.
The LPI test was ok. suitably hard enough.
I went prepared to be impressed by RedHat, but was sorely let down. Very corporate. Very stand-offish IMHO. Too bad, I would love to move to nice, warm, NC and get a job there.
SUSE has a great booth, with an absolutely gorgeous girl there. Best of the show, unfortunately they were also close to SCO, who had a huge booth. Even _I_ refused to get within 5 feet of the SCO booth. At least M$ has a track record, these guys
Not a SINGLE booth offering CD's, except for the aforementioned Sun and NetBSD.
the Icculus guy was great.
Wish the Debian booth had more stuff
Last but not least, the Linux Journal folks were really nice and went out of their way to take care of us and make us feel good.
There were definately some geeks out on Thursday, don't know about Wednesday, but I saw quite a few.
All in all a good time, hope I'll go next year. I'm still pawing through my 2 bags of goodies.
First: I like *nix and everything GNU and I mostly dislike MS.
But let me tell you something, if there is something proprietory software mongers do well, that is sucking up to developers and customers with free booze.
I mean, it's not like '99 any more, but last year i had free drinks from both MS, SUN and a few of MS partners.
Kind of slimy way to buy goodwill if you ask me, but hey! Free booze, it's not like you say no to that!
"First lesson," Jon said. "Stick them with the pointy end."
The hottest thing I've seen at this show so far is a guy with six piercings jumping up and down
What he doesn't tell you is that it was actually Cowboy Neal. The other 9 piercings were.. hidden..
Trolling is a art,
Now we're going to have to read the GNU/Windows diatribes. :-}
--- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
And I bet you were still wearing the free shirt you got last year, never been washed.
I'm pretty impressed that someone could still innocently write "sucking in more partners" in a slashdot story submission. Truly gives me hope.
I have been patiently awaiting Ximain Gnome 2.0. I fully expected it to be release in accordance with Linux World. DAMN IT ALL TO HELL! Where are you, oh god of gnome!
...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
Not, "Resistance occasionally works, but in general you really shouldn't count on it".
hehe, yeah, the SuSe girl was HOT, but the one making the crepes was more down to earth, no ? yup, RH is all corporate now, I mean, come on, there stock is worth way more per share then Sun, they deserve to have an attitude, right ? all I know is it was friggin' cold, but a couple slices of "two boots" pizza ia always worth the trip! and someday I wanna go to one of these things and run into Eric Allman... But it was cool seeing Mad Dog there...
Weren't XFree supposed to release V4.3 of XFree86 at this show?
www.eFax.com are spammers
I'm confused, these are "open source product excellence awards" but this doesn't look like an open source product... am I missing something? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/howtobuy/defa ult.asp
Black long-sleeved shirts and jeans, huh?
Now where could they have possibly gotten that idea?
Sun sold out and went X86. Uhmmm where have you been. They almost did not make Solaris 9 for X86. It was only due to alot of work by the "not so secrect group of six" and other people that Sun made Solaris 9 for X86
I love solaris on a sparc, but sometimes I want to run it on an X86. I am glad to have the option to do both.
I mod down any one who says "I'm sure I will get modded down for this"
So HP seems to care to have an easy suse install. Then, why are they still selling every laptop with microsoft tax??
Ouch! I guess that's what I get for making a joke.
;^) at the end.
Next time I'll remember to put a
My old sig was REALLY stoopid.
Best News: icculus annonced Americas Army, Medal of Honor: Alied Assult, and Serious Sam: The Second Encounter
Woot.
I've already moderated here, so I have to post this as an AC:
Windows Services for UNIX 3.0 also includes more than 300 UNIX utilities and tools that behave exactly as they would on UNIX systems...
But what we REALLY want to know is...
...can you make a beowulf cluster of these?
Imagine that!
Earl and Shantia, whose only home computer experience has been with Mandrake, which they like better than the Windows computers at school, "because they stop working a lot and you have to wait for the teacher to make them start again," explains five-year old Earl. Score:5, Interesting
Please go [right now] to booth 9 and hammer the icculus people for details on mohaa. Then post those details here or email them to me at "charmin66-at-hotmail.com".
Thank You
Samsung took back my unlocked bootloader because Google wants me to rent movies. They're both evil.
Well, the Interop Store will sell you a CD containing the source code... for $20!
First, props to MS for putting the source code out there, available even to those who have not purchased the binary software.
But second, $20? This seems to fail section 3b of the GPL:
$20 is pretty high for the cost of physically performing source distribution, isn't it? Unless when you buy the "regular" version of the software and it comes with the source code on the CD, of which there is no mention that I can see... this seems pretty fishy to me.
MORTAR COMBAT!
If people want to influence the way business makes decisions, become the person making the descisions.
I think that's the key to affecting any kind of change. You can't change the system from the outside. The trick, of course, is getting inside with your morals intact...
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
oh yeah, and a picture of the girl at the SuSE booth too. k thx
SGI Altix is based on ia64, not x86. It currently uses the Itanium 2 (McKinley), and will be upgradable to Madison.
There, now it's ready for the front page.
>> Please, HP people, can we have Linux laptops? In case HP people dont know: HP Pavillion ze4200 is what I could call a "Linux-ready" laptop (I intionally put it in qoutes). One thing though: so far only Mandrake 9.0 works perfectly. Theonly thingI havent been able to check so far is the modem (though I doubt it will work)
I was going to go, but the only day i could i overslept, now I hear this free booze stuff, grrrr.
Mess Stuff Up
And they can dance to this instead...
it's pretty good actualy..
If you don't like it, WRITE YOUR OWN GUI!
Damn whiners.
...the buying out all of smaller developers, right?
Resistance is futile.
whats the ?d=33f32f3f3fj3j3kj3kj32jk3f2jf32jk32fjkf32jf32jkf 32jf32jj33j2ff3lj23ljf2flj32lkj3fkj32lkj3f2kljf32j k32jl32jlf part of the URL after goatse.cx used for????
yours boots fine? Hmm
Funny lots of people cant get linux to boot on the HP 4100 because of kernal panics caused by pcmcia card services. You?
Please Dell sell PCs with linux in 199-299 price range and look how we all buy them.
Otherwise a chinese compnay will overtake u.
Micheal Dell are u listening.
I had more fun at LCA watching Hemos getting totally shitfaced ;)
:)
When he wakes up, expect a post from him about LCA
Linux.conf.au in Perth has just finished and was a great success. Attendees included Linus, Alan Cox, Rusty, Tridge, HPA, Rasmus, Bdale and some guy called Hemos.
Who would choose wintery New York? A bunch of suits, I guess. Not one suit in sight at LCA. A big congrats to the organisers.
I didnt have any such problems (so far). The thing is, like most people, I didnt bother to look at the logs once everything was working :)
This appears to have some source code, but I don't know if that's all of it or anything. I'd be surprised if Microsoft was not GPL compliant and the whole world didn't know about it already.