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If they spew out fake spam which can only be meant for slanderous purposes, would you really expect them to *not* be in the virus game. Almost all these Windows viruses, if you hexdump them, have smtp capability. It's quite thinkable that a fair amount of them are really experiments rather than 'bad things done to innocent users because the virus writer likes doing that'.
There must be a lot of money involved in the art of spamming still. I wouldn't be surprised if spamhauses are partially means of laundering money as well (think about it). Either way, these people *are* criminals and one should consider them as such.
I'm slightly surprised but I'm willing to take his word for it.
Caldera *did* have a good business oriented linux distro back when (1998ish). TFA really shows how things got to where they are now with only the spinmeisters left at SCO (and IBM for that matter).
Sorry folks, no excuse to not RTFA this time, it's too good to miss.
Re:New light to shed on Bill Gates, Microsoft and
on
SCO's Plan Examined
·
· Score: 4, Interesting
Assuming this anecdote is true:
-- It will expose them for what they are and it's going to end in a PR disaster.
-- They won't be able to use apache or sendmail and such in SCO's Unix which would make it worthless. So it would imply an MS only environment. If anything, it would be the ultimate argument to go fully non MS instead.
I understand how you feel, I never said we should be satisfied with it as is (or rather as it's going to be).
But you never win in big leaps. At least normal people don't. And they're at their best when being pushed around. Frankly, that's where my hope is. Not at short term all-or-nothing thinking.
I'm talking about that there are turning points (which are always small otherwise it would be shove rather than turn) and that they shouldn't be overlooked nor deemed insignificant. Especially when the alternative is what?
I am *very* well aware of what's at stake but are you pulling out a gun yet? Neither am I so we're gonna have to make do with what we *can* do. And certainly the OSS voice is being considered a force to reckon with by now.
Sure many still don't have a clue. And diversity within the OSS community all to often leads to unneeded flamefests. No one's perfect. And expectations should be accordingly. A people thing will have a people signature. Nothing wrong with that.
For one thing, the OSS community should preach Humanity. That includes not being able to turn around a massive and increasingly repressive force easily. That includes a community developer fucking off because he's having a hard time privately, it includes people making human errors. It's not "get victory fast" by nature and that should be accepted both personally and more generally IMHO.
Well that's excellent. Let people think that "UNIX is Free". Pour it onto them. "UNIX is Free".
Bye SCO Bye HP Bye Sun Bye IB... err, wait...
Well seriously, the more people thinking "UNIX is free" while perhaps pointing at Tux -- who cares -- each and every one of them would be just excellent. It will plant the idea that *NIX belongs to "the" community. That's good. We need mind share. At any level.
There's also a BSD from scratch somewhere (google). But what I wanted to add was that portage is modeled after pkgsrc's (NetBSD) way.
It's not that different from ports, ports integrated with portupgrade is about the same thing in functionality (only portage allows more than one version installed at a time but I'm not sure if that's really an advantage because it's also an invitation to breakage).
make world somewhat resembles emerge world or emerge system or whatever it was called (I played with it briefly and quite liked it, made a few "ebuilds" but then moved back to FreeBSD 5.0 to catch up there).
It's interesting to note that the new "build.sh" in NetBSD (Note: I don't run it myself) very much resembles "emerge".
There *is* discussion. There *is* a stir up. There *are* delays. It hasn't been passed as, err, suggested by a certain lobby, without any debate.
If all that matters is the mere glorious victory, well, then find a cave and have your victory there. It's not going to happen. A small win is a win even if it only means less of a loss.
So perhaps we can finally be a little positive about this. OSS has a lobby. It is being heard. More importantly it's being listened to and more people seem to be understanding what's at stake. That's quite something.
%cat/etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep sendmail_submit sendmail_submit_enable="YES" # Start a localhost-only MTA for mail submission sendmail_submit_flags="-L sm-mta -bd -q30m -ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost"
No not *development* of desktop oriented packages but rather proper packaging, integration, optimalisation of them. In other words: QA. Something a distro ought to do anyway but now it saves RH resources. That was my main point.
Occurs to me that RH basically bought a QA system for packages. Since in a linux distro, apart from the kernel pretty much anything is a package, it makes one wonder if they were thinking their own QA wasn't good enough.
"Release fast release often" ring a bell? Red Hat is in the business, what, 8 years, and they're heading for a double digit main release. Way too much even if you're only in the business of putting something on retail shelves.
Perhaps they were afraid of another Drake emerging from this project or saw it as an opportunity to let the community do more of the groundwork and then serve it up to businesses.
They "have a release scedule and a steering committee"? Gosh. So do the BSDs.
And the bigger they are the more freedoms meant for individuals they enjoy. Legal entity of company == legal entity of individual is one of the major flaws in law at this moment.
BigComp gets *your* bill of rights and then some while you are increasingly being denied those rights, not even mentioning what a head on collision between BigComp and you would be.
This is the whole motivation behind the notion that advertising the untruth == free speech, same thing.
The new business model after advertising didn't seem to work in the end (perhaps because PHBs started to believe their own marketdroids too much or they just generally got more stupid).
Although I probably have a very different taste then you we overlap in that we're interested in "obscure" things where "obscure" means that it didnt meet the 10 or 20 releases that label XYZ connected with record company ZYX have envisioned.. per month.
This was really the promise of something like mp3.com. It had an easy and free way of making some of your work available and because it got big it goit "obscure" communities also.
Mmm, well, then came Universal....:(
I still have Ricin Radio! stationas a parking lot but I quit actively participating when they removed the option for listeners to listen to a 128 kbit stream (could still do it but have to click one by one or make own playlist, most users don't know how).
Shame though, I was always somewhere in the top 20 of their alternative sections merely because of great music that the bands themselves sent me. I've been at #1 more than once.
If one thing it made me realise that as soon if you give rights to *your* work away you're gonna be screwed and if you don't you'll be fended off.
Sad. I loved my mp3.com station. I got great great music right from the source. No one except for a -- usually growing at the time -- few knew it but it was better than most crap you hear on the clear^H^H^H^H^Hradio.
Sun should concentrate on and market OO.org and sell addons (or boxen for that matter) that work with it. And make it more modular. They're being leaped over by koffice and others on *nix and get little interest from the windows side.
Although I did install OO on my SO's PC (XP) so that we didn't have to buy MS office. It would already be a huge gain if Sun would throw some marketing at it... "the future is open -- openoffice;-) Marketing is hammering something into people's skulls.
But well, Sun is Sun I guess. They always have a hard time spotting easy profit. Instead they sign the dotted line over at Salt Lake City. Ugh!
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If they spew out fake spam which can only be meant for slanderous purposes, would you really expect them to *not* be in the virus game. Almost all these Windows viruses, if you hexdump them, have smtp capability. It's quite thinkable that a fair amount of them are really experiments rather than 'bad things done to innocent users because the virus writer likes doing that'.
There must be a lot of money involved in the art of spamming still. I wouldn't be surprised if spamhauses are partially means of laundering money as well (think about it). Either way, these people *are* criminals and one should consider them as such.
Just wait
I'm slightly surprised but I'm willing to take his word for it.
Caldera *did* have a good business oriented linux distro back when (1998ish). TFA really shows how things got to where they are now with only the spinmeisters left at SCO (and IBM for that matter).
Sorry folks, no excuse to not RTFA this time, it's too good to miss.
Assuming this anecdote is true:
-- It will expose them for what they are and it's going to end in a PR disaster.
-- They won't be able to use apache or sendmail and such in SCO's Unix which would make it worthless. So it would imply an MS only environment. If anything, it would be the ultimate argument to go fully non MS instead.
So I'd say, good, let 'em bring it on.
I ripped the songs to wav then ogg encoded them. Extracted cdinfo also and made them ogg comments.
Never looked at the data track at all.
Hehe
Read the line about the mailaddr...
:-)
kurious
sounds like a debatable KDE app
(sorry)
short version: it looks OK
Last time we has a big OpenSSH rush we got the same thing, when priveledge separation was introduced and updating was the only way to be safe.
OpenBSD was fixed of course, others had (rightly, hmm not always at least) updated to something that was vulnerable. And before that the CRC bug...
I'm not taking this too seriously anymore.
I understand how you feel, I never said we should be satisfied with it as is (or rather as it's going to be).
But you never win in big leaps. At least normal people don't. And they're at their best when being pushed around. Frankly, that's where my hope is. Not at short term all-or-nothing thinking.
I'm talking about that there are turning points (which are always small otherwise it would be shove rather than turn) and that they shouldn't be overlooked nor deemed insignificant. Especially when the alternative is what?
I am *very* well aware of what's at stake but are you pulling out a gun yet? Neither am I so we're gonna have to make do with what we *can* do. And certainly the OSS voice is being considered a force to reckon with by now.
Sure many still don't have a clue. And diversity within the OSS community all to often leads to unneeded flamefests. No one's perfect. And expectations should be accordingly. A people thing will have a people signature. Nothing wrong with that.
For one thing, the OSS community should preach Humanity. That includes not being able to turn around a massive and increasingly repressive force easily. That includes a community developer fucking off because he's having a hard time privately, it includes people making human errors. It's not "get victory fast" by nature and that should be accepted both personally and more generally IMHO.
Well that's excellent. Let people think that "UNIX is Free". Pour it onto them. "UNIX is Free".
... err, wait...
Bye SCO
Bye HP
Bye Sun
Bye IB
Well seriously, the more people thinking "UNIX is free" while perhaps pointing at Tux -- who cares -- each and every one of them would be just excellent. It will plant the idea that *NIX belongs to "the" community. That's good. We need mind share. At any level.
'Getting to smoke a cigarette before being shot isn't exacly what I call "something"...'
If you're a smoker (I am) I'm pretty sure it will be "something" at such a point.
Which was my point. I wasn't cheering.
There's also a BSD from scratch somewhere (google). But what I wanted to add was that portage is modeled after pkgsrc's (NetBSD) way.
It's not that different from ports, ports integrated with portupgrade is about the same thing in functionality (only portage allows more than one version installed at a time but I'm not sure if that's really an advantage because it's also an invitation to breakage).
make world somewhat resembles emerge world or emerge system or whatever it was called (I played with it briefly and quite liked it, made a few "ebuilds" but then moved back to FreeBSD 5.0 to catch up there).
It's interesting to note that the new "build.sh" in NetBSD (Note: I don't run it myself) very much resembles "emerge".
Yeah like I said earlier, only with more fluff.
There *is* discussion. There *is* a stir up. There *are* delays. It hasn't been passed as, err, suggested by a certain lobby, without any debate.
If all that matters is the mere glorious victory, well, then find a cave and have your victory there. It's not going to happen. A small win is a win even if it only means less of a loss.
So perhaps we can finally be a little positive about this. OSS has a lobby. It is being heard. More importantly it's being listened to and more people seem to be understanding what's at stake. That's quite something.
%cat /etc/services |grep 587
/etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep sendmail_submit
submission 587/tcp
submission 587/udp
%cat
sendmail_submit_enable="YES" # Start a localhost-only MTA for mail submission
sendmail_submit_flags="-L sm-mta -bd -q30m -ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost"
No not *development* of desktop oriented packages but rather proper packaging, integration, optimalisation of them. In other words: QA. Something a distro ought to do anyway but now it saves RH resources. That was my main point.
Occurs to me that RH basically bought a QA system for packages. Since in a linux distro, apart from the kernel pretty much anything is a package, it makes one wonder if they were thinking their own QA wasn't good enough.
"Release fast release often" ring a bell? Red Hat is in the business, what, 8 years, and they're heading for a double digit main release. Way too much even if you're only in the business of putting something on retail shelves.
Perhaps they were afraid of another Drake emerging from this project or saw it as an opportunity to let the community do more of the groundwork and then serve it up to businesses.
They "have a release scedule and a steering committee"? Gosh. So do the BSDs.
Well no matter what the money tends to go into the same pockets anyway. Would that be a force of nature or something? :)
And the bigger they are the more freedoms meant for individuals they enjoy. Legal entity of company == legal entity of individual is one of the major flaws in law at this moment.
BigComp gets *your* bill of rights and then some while you are increasingly being denied those rights, not even mentioning what a head on collision between BigComp and you would be.
This is the whole motivation behind the notion that advertising the untruth == free speech, same thing.
Hehe +3 funny
The new business model after advertising didn't seem to work in the end (perhaps because PHBs started to believe their own marketdroids too much or they just generally got more stupid).
Big pie few pieces...
You're probably right. But please understand that it's not the smarter people making the stupid remarks/generalisations/1337ism.
Although I probably have a very different taste then you we overlap in that we're interested in "obscure" things where "obscure" means that it didnt meet the 10 or 20 releases that label XYZ connected with record company ZYX have envisioned.. per month.
:(
This was really the promise of something like mp3.com. It had an easy and free way of making some of your work available and because it got big it goit "obscure" communities also.
Mmm, well, then came Universal....
I still have Ricin Radio! stationas a parking lot but I quit actively participating when they removed the option for listeners to listen to a 128 kbit stream (could still do it but have to click one by one or make own playlist, most users don't know how).
Shame though, I was always somewhere in the top 20 of their alternative sections merely because of great music that the bands themselves sent me.
I've been at #1 more than once.
If one thing it made me realise that as soon if you give rights to *your* work away you're gonna be screwed and if you don't you'll be fended off.
Sad. I loved my mp3.com station. I got great great music right from the source. No one except for a -- usually growing at the time -- few knew it but it was better than most crap you hear on the clear^H^H^H^H^Hradio.
Sun should concentrate on and market OO.org and sell addons (or boxen for that matter) that work with it. And make it more modular. They're being leaped over by koffice and others on *nix and get little interest from the windows side.
;-) Marketing is hammering something into people's skulls.
Although I did install OO on my SO's PC (XP) so that we didn't have to buy MS office. It would already be a huge gain if Sun would throw some marketing at it... "the future is open -- openoffice
But well, Sun is Sun I guess. They always have a hard time spotting easy profit. Instead they sign the dotted line over at Salt Lake City. Ugh!
Inertia or angst, I dunno.