"What I'm really looking forward to is a featureful, Python-native widget library that's comparable to GTK or KDE"
Well, it's not native Python (does have some native widgets though) but if you've never looked at it, try wxPython. On *NIX it uses GTK(1 or 2)/wxGTK, on Windows it uses mostly native win widgets. Easy to learn, less kludgy than py-gtk. Quite well documented API. Should also be able to run on OSX I think. There's also wxPerl and wxRuby BTW. WxWindows itself is C++.
The Fox toolkit also has python bindings and also is cross platform. Wx looks somewhat better though IMHO. I haven't coded anything with Fox so can't comment on it much. It looks to be fairly easy though.
Tk is fading away slowly I believe. Not sure if that's good or bad.
People talk about.NET, C#, Mono. And all the while there were, there are, and there will be a boatload of toolkits and other sitepackages making python IMO the prime candidate for crossplatform development, particularly for GUIs.
What cravey said, plus: (perhaps lower profile) virusses failing or half working or testing for the next version. The spam and the email related viruses are clearly connected to some degree.
No wonder the original link now doesn't even resolve anymore. Holy crap, they seem to be craving a Raspberry or something. The red pill prehaps.
Take notice of just how clueless they are about what the "general public" perceives them to be. I'm not just making fun here (well largely), but I'm serious as well. They look like asses and arguably of the goatse kind.
The popping sound of their implosion is going to be so... err, well, popping!!:)
while it lasted. I quit mine a while ago. Vivendi has adequately crippeled the service so much that this ending is the logical conclusion.
It's a shame though. I got great music recommended mostly by the artists' themselves and the quality (to my tastes) was all but crappy. And that's where the controversy was: it showed that great music abunds. It is not scarce at all.
And there you have the commonly held myth that we somehow need the music industry to "bring" or "make" that great new band. It's bollocks. All they do is leach and play gatekeeper (as in "mob").
The suits finally are getting it. It won't last long anymore now.
And frankly, good riddance, the comic relief hasn't been funny since a month or two anymore and the threats can now pre-officially be considered void. On our side "ignore mode" is within reach. On the suits' side "attention" mode is being switched on, on SCO's side the alarm bells should be really ringing now. This is the gloaming:-)
"Thumbs up for the suits" would go a bit to far but I'm glad that over the fence reason is starting to kick in fast now. It was probably due to misunderstanding of many technicalities on their side. But things are sinking in.
She's afraid of losing her job so she needs to produce some human interest/tech/psychology story for the human interest/tech/psychology niche in today's conventional publishing business which is under a lot of strain.
So she don't mind totally contradicting herself if the editors don't mind. It keeps the ink , eh electrons, rolling.
Or she's even more feeble minded than one would expect and changes opinions and well studied ("for over 20 years") conclusions easily.
Considering that she works for Symantec all of the above could be true. WTF cares. This is non news by non journalists about non people doing non science. Mkay?:)
Too many individuals by now know how broken it is. It's not going away, as a matter of fact it's going to be stronger for at least two years coming. And yes, users will blame everything on MS whether justified or not so don't start your feeble contra arguments. They're not interesting.
If you were ever wondering how is Windows ever going to leave the main stage, well it's because of their security track. People think differently about that compared to how they think about features (they forget those tomorrow but not the security bug which caused them overtime). This is not going to evaporate no matter how hard they (MS) hope it will. It'll stick into people's minds and trickle down for many years to come.
Most people *know* they're dependant on MS. If people know, would you really think companies don't. This causes a lot of bad PR latancy and MS knows just that and they fear it (together with the TCO story).
Regards from/me (BTW I like BSD more than GPL but I do see its merits and failures where they occur;-)
It doesn't matter what you note or have noted. What matters is what *they*note. This is actually a good step. A counter step highly needed. So be glad for once (BGFO).
Don't get discouraged if what in your eyes is considered common knowledge is (finally) entering the political stage. Someone puts it there. Someone is thinking. Consider this good (relative to the ever present slipping slope).
In sympathy with the US people (if cos only we in Europe are getting the same after a certain delay).
.. "against legal action". That's what they state. Well, legal action of SCO perhaps but not of, say, the FSF or Linus for breaching the GPL.
IIUC, they waivered their IP claims (not copyrights) when contributing to Linux, notably on or around the technologies that have been named so far. So if they don't abide the license or claim it's void that would immediately force them to face copyright issues with the Linux kernel and any other GPL package they've had in OpenLinux or UnixWare.
So where's the GPL license revocation? Someone's gotta move the first (real) pawn. So far all we get is air and it's humid and smelly. Yet we all snore it up so far. And SCO says Ho and the stock goes Woo.
How could the burden of proof not be on the allegating party? That's the main point people ahould keep hammering on. It's easily forgotten when one party starts acting guilty.
SGI's attempts at "migitating" might be considered an admission and that's just what SCO wants. That's why they go after SGI at this stage. SGI hasn't got very big pockets I believe so there you go. They're afraid they can't beat SCO.
Perhaps SGI should have just shut up but I think the risk was too high. Sure they could sue for damages after SCO revokes licence, basically shutting them down, but what worth is that when you're in chapter 12 already. They hardly deserve praise though, they/admitted/ at least a subset of the claims. Throw that at a clueless person et voila their "two parties/two at fault" instinct takes over at best or they'll swallow it whole at worst.
SGI should perhaps have played victim and touted its (own) XFS as a much bigger booster for Linux than any 70s relics rebranded as SCO code have done. If anything they *are* the victim here anyway and as such deserve compassion not blame, but certainly no praise either IMHO.
From article, citing SCO letter: "unrestricted disclosure, unauthorised transfer and disposition, and unauthorised use and copying"
In other words, you must bleed, SGI (or at least pay up to my pinkie's desire). They seem to think they're district attorny or something. Clue to SCO: you're involved in a CIVIL case.
Once again no actual info such as "remove this" or "do that". They don't even want to make a solid case it seems. Or they're really the deranged cult that some portray them as.
Al Gore invented the Internet but (kinda) lost the elections. Common knowledge.
So 3 years or so from now it migth be common knowledge that Howard Dean invented GNU, the weblog, and Linux too but (kinda) lost the elections. That and his house (to Darl for stealing everything from SCO).
Seriously though, nice initiative but it also smells a bit of, well, I'm sure you get the point.
Yes. Same sort of "hack" as what I described above for sftp. Only then you have another piece of 3rd party software which you'd have to investigate before deploying. But you're correct.
What you should do is only use the sftp-server subsystem and give users a fake shell (unfortunately sshd needs it to effectively run -c ). Three lines and you're done. If they try to log into it or run anything else than sftp they get "You have no shell access" or something to that effect.
If you allow them to use scp, yes they need to have a full shell then.
Not to mention that it's not a free (as in access) market at all. It's merely the old state/regional utilities in consortia under different names. They basically just re-divided the pie. At least here in Europe. Same with the telcos.
No, but greed, incompetence, short term thinking, and the outsourcing of everything does. Having no real authorities to answer to surely helps as well.
As a bonus it will get more expensive also, aren't we lucky:)
IMHO the privatizing of utilities such as electricity is *not* a matter of consumers' interests and not even a matter of producers' interests really. It's ideology. Religion if you like.
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"What I'm really looking forward to is a featureful, Python-native widget library that's comparable to GTK or KDE"
.NET, C#, Mono. And all the while there were, there are, and there will be a boatload of toolkits and other sitepackages making python IMO the prime candidate for crossplatform development, particularly for GUIs.
Well, it's not native Python (does have some native widgets though) but if you've never looked at it, try wxPython. On *NIX it uses GTK(1 or 2)/wxGTK, on Windows it uses mostly native win widgets. Easy to learn, less kludgy than py-gtk. Quite well documented API. Should also be able to run on OSX I think. There's also wxPerl and wxRuby BTW. WxWindows itself is C++.
The Fox toolkit also has python bindings and also is cross platform. Wx looks somewhat better though IMHO. I haven't coded anything with Fox so can't comment on it much. It looks to be fairly easy though.
Tk is fading away slowly I believe. Not sure if that's good or bad.
People talk about
In support of OP and because time just took my last two modpoints, he's spot on.
If you're going to teach your kid one thing, teach them empathy.
OP made a few excellent points, give him some mod.
What cravey said, plus: (perhaps lower profile) virusses failing or half working or testing for the next version. The spam and the email related viruses are clearly connected to some degree.
No wonder the original link now doesn't even resolve anymore. Holy crap, they seem to be craving a Raspberry or something. The red pill prehaps.
:)
Take notice of just how clueless they are about what the "general public" perceives them to be.
I'm not just making fun here (well largely), but I'm serious as well. They look like asses and arguably of the goatse kind.
The popping sound of their implosion is going to be so... err, well, popping!!
It's a shame though. I got great music recommended mostly by the artists' themselves and the quality (to my tastes) was all but crappy. And that's where the controversy was: it showed that great music abunds. It is not scarce at all.
And there you have the commonly held myth that we somehow need the music industry to "bring" or "make" that great new band. It's bollocks. All they do is leach and play gatekeeper (as in "mob").
The suits finally are getting it. It won't last long anymore now.
:-)
And frankly, good riddance, the comic relief hasn't been funny since a month or two anymore and the threats can now pre-officially be considered void. On our side "ignore mode" is within reach. On the suits' side "attention" mode is being switched on, on SCO's side the alarm bells should be really ringing now. This is the gloaming
"Thumbs up for the suits" would go a bit to far but I'm glad that over the fence reason is starting to kick in fast now. It was probably due to misunderstanding of many technicalities on their side. But things are sinking in.
Next they'll have tabbed browsing... oh wait...
Soviet Russia is claimed to be one also.
She's afraid of losing her job so she needs to produce some human interest/tech/psychology story for the human interest/tech/psychology niche in today's conventional publishing business which is under a lot of strain.
:)
So she don't mind totally contradicting herself if the editors don't mind. It keeps the ink , eh electrons, rolling.
Or she's even more feeble minded than one would expect and changes opinions and well studied ("for over 20 years") conclusions easily.
Considering that she works for Symantec all of the above could be true. WTF cares. This is non news by non journalists about non people doing non science. Mkay?
and never wonder bout *why* you're paying that bill...
What nonsense
Too many individuals by now know how broken it is. It's not going away, as a matter of fact it's going to be stronger for at least two years coming. And yes, users will blame everything on MS whether justified or not so don't start your feeble contra arguments. They're not interesting.
/me (BTW I like BSD more than GPL but I do see its merits and failures where they occur ;-)
If you were ever wondering how is Windows ever going to leave the main stage, well it's because of their security track. People think differently about that compared to how they think about features (they forget those tomorrow but not the security bug which caused them overtime). This is not going to evaporate no matter how hard they (MS) hope it will. It'll stick into people's minds and trickle down for many years to come.
Most people *know* they're dependant on MS. If people know, would you really think companies don't. This causes a lot of bad PR latancy and MS knows just that and they fear it (together with the TCO story).
Regards from
It doesn't matter what you note or have noted. What matters is what *they*note. This is actually a good step. A counter step highly needed. So be glad for once (BGFO).
Don't get discouraged if what in your eyes is considered common knowledge is (finally) entering the political stage. Someone puts it there. Someone is thinking. Consider this good (relative to the ever present slipping slope).
In sympathy with the US people (if cos only we in Europe are getting the same after a certain delay).
I should have mentioned earlier that it's good to hear SCO resellers being very sceptical.
Brains are not easily engineered into WOC (Wake On Command) luckily.
.. "against legal action". That's what they state. Well, legal action of SCO perhaps but not of, say, the FSF or Linus for breaching the GPL.
IIUC, they waivered their IP claims (not copyrights) when contributing to Linux, notably on or around the technologies that have been named so far. So if they don't abide the license or claim it's void that would immediately force them to face copyright issues with the Linux kernel and any other GPL package they've had in OpenLinux or UnixWare.
So where's the GPL license revocation? Someone's gotta move the first (real) pawn. So far all we get is air and it's humid and smelly. Yet we all snore it up so far. And SCO says Ho and the stock goes Woo.
How could the burden of proof not be on the allegating party? That's the main point people ahould keep hammering on. It's easily forgotten when one party starts acting guilty.
/admitted/ at least a subset of the claims. Throw that at a clueless person et voila their "two parties/two at fault" instinct takes over at best or they'll swallow it whole at worst.
SGI's attempts at "migitating" might be considered an admission and that's just what SCO wants. That's why they go after SGI at this stage. SGI hasn't got very big pockets I believe so there you go. They're afraid they can't beat SCO.
Perhaps SGI should have just shut up but I think the risk was too high. Sure they could sue for damages after SCO revokes licence, basically shutting them down, but what worth is that when you're in chapter 12 already. They hardly deserve praise though, they
SGI should perhaps have played victim and touted its (own) XFS as a much bigger booster for Linux than any 70s relics rebranded as SCO code have done. If anything they *are* the victim here anyway and as such deserve compassion not blame, but certainly no praise either IMHO.
From article, citing SCO letter: "unrestricted disclosure, unauthorised transfer and disposition, and unauthorised use and copying"
In other words, you must bleed, SGI (or at least pay up to my pinkie's desire). They seem to think they're district attorny or something. Clue to SCO: you're involved in a CIVIL case.
Once again no actual info such as "remove this" or "do that". They don't even want to make a solid case it seems. Or they're really the deranged cult that some portray them as.
Please don't insult my intelligence and reread the word "joke".
+2 don quichotte
Al Gore invented the Internet but (kinda) lost the elections. Common knowledge.
So 3 years or so from now it migth be common knowledge that Howard Dean invented GNU, the weblog, and Linux too but (kinda) lost the elections. That and his house (to Darl for stealing everything from SCO).
Seriously though, nice initiative but it also smells a bit of, well, I'm sure you get the point.
"Spoken like a true ideologue"
It starts with "IMHO" and I don't force it onto people.
Yes. Same sort of "hack" as what I described above for sftp. Only then you have another piece of 3rd party software which you'd have to investigate before deploying. But you're correct.
That should be ... effectively run [the_shell] -c [the_subsystem] (and that's after priviledge dropping)
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What you should do is only use the sftp-server subsystem and give users a fake shell (unfortunately sshd needs it to effectively run -c ). Three lines and you're done. If they try to log into it or run anything else than sftp they get "You have no shell access" or something to that effect.
If you allow them to use scp, yes they need to have a full shell then.
Not to mention that it's not a free (as in access) market at all. It's merely the old state/regional utilities in consortia under different names. They basically just re-divided the pie. At least here in Europe. Same with the telcos.
No, but greed, incompetence, short term thinking, and the outsourcing of everything does. Having no real authorities to answer to surely helps as well.
:)
As a bonus it will get more expensive also, aren't we lucky
IMHO the privatizing of utilities such as electricity is *not* a matter of consumers' interests and not even a matter of producers' interests really. It's ideology. Religion if you like.
"Supports Windows 98/ME/2000/XP & Mac iHP-120, works under the biggest OS environments."
The UI looks clunky and I'd want a *NIX driver but it's good to see ogg/vorbis finally get into HW products.