Start a fair and equitable record label? One that provides for the artist and fan's, while taking a "fair" share. You would have artists coming from everywhere. The current music industry is flawed because of outdated business practices. Obviously there is huge market for a "modern" business practice where everyone can be happy. There is a market (artists) and another market (consumers - cheap cds) Instead of keeping artists out of a contractual arrangement of having to produce 'x' number of cd's, let them choose you as a label, because you are the best.
Sometimes I wish I had some capital... I would absolutely love to do this!
There is a point where you HAVE to declare war. The MPAA and RIAA have passed this point a long long time ago. Writing a little letter isn't going to help. Did G W Bush just write a nice letter to Osama? I think not.
If I purchase a CD I should be able to listen to it at work. If I prefer to listen to a few thousand mp3s that I have ripped and I have a 10G free on my desktop that I work on I should be able to put some on to listen to. I work better when I'm in my element, which includes listening to my music. I don't have to share them, but I should still be able to listen to them. That is between the company and me, not the RIAA.
Why on the front page mention converting to Australian voltage? Why not english or something? I'm Australian, but what's so special about us..../. surelly doesn't have the much of an Aussie representation does it?
I think even the ignorant in the white house realise that not assisting the nanotech businesses would be suicide for the economy. As a result they need to provide research money and keep everything in the open, not behind closed doors.
Obviously MS is going to try and do everything it can to prevent linux taking any of its market. Naturally it is going to be aggressive to restrict linux where ever possible, its just common business sense.
So, this may be some 'leaked' memo, but really it doesn't tell us anything that we wouldn't have known already. It just proves what we know/would assume.
MS promotes Linux from threat to 'the' threat - Memo
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 12/11/2001 at 07:25 GMT
"Linux is the long-term threat against our core business. Never forget that!" Microsoft Windows Division Veep Brian Valentine exclaims in a confidential memo to his Sales Brownshirts obtained by The Register. (our emphasis)
The core outrage from Valentine's perspective is all these Sun and IBM shops migrating in droves to the cheaper Intel platform, and observing along the way that Linux is a good deal easier to deal with if you're already acquainted with UNIX. Funny that. Kinda the key idea behind Linux, but we digress.
"I need you to make sure that as many of these customers as possible continue to migrate off of UNIX, but on to Windows 2000 on Intel," Valentine says. "You should be smothering your accounts from every angle, and if you see Linux and/or IBM in there with it, then get all over it. Don't lose a single win to Linux."
Valentine's hard-sell hall monitors will be marching through a data center near you, we gather, searching for open-source contaminants and anything else that breathes in the marketplace and consumes their air.
"If you haven't done it at your customer sites -- then do a walk-thru of their datacenters and take inventory of where you see Sun machines, IBM, etc and ask them what they running on those machines. Learn about what they do with those systems, keep that inventory in your back pocket -- hell -- tattoo it on your butt if you have to -- and go after them. Knock them out one machine, one application, one department at a time. I cannot stress how important this is!"
It's no secret that MS has long regarded Linux as a threat, at least not since Eric Raymond broke the news two years ago with the infamous Halloween Documents. But it's lovely to see it becoming the threat, apparently because it empowers people to operate computers and networks without buying into the nebulous Microsoft.NET vision, which, as you'll see below, the company thinks of as something to be 'positioned' by its products.
We just love the way salesmen talk. Especially frightened ones. ®
The text
From: Brian Valentine
Sent: Sat 11/10/2001 12:01 PM
To: WW Sales, Marketing & Services Group
Cc:
Subject: Hello again - long time no talk to...
Linux Wins & Update
I'd like to share with you are some great Linux wins we've had recently. But before I do, I need to highlight a trend that we're seeing with many of our customers. They're fed up with expensive UNIX/RISC solutions from Sun, HP, and IBM. They're looking to move and they want to migrate to the Intel platform. Unfortunately, because Linux is very similar to UNIX, and porting applications from UNIX to Linux isn't that hard, we're starting to see customers move their UNIX applications to Linux on Intel platforms. I need you to make sure that as many of these customers as possible continue to migrate off of UNIX, but on to Windows 2000 on Intel.
There are many other things that you need to watch out for with Linux and the Linux Compete Team has been busy creating some great collateral to help you win. One thing you have to always keep in mind here -- Linux is the long term threat against our core business. Never forget that! You should be smothering your accounts from every angle and if you see Linux and/or IBM in there with it, then get all over it. Don't lose a single win to Linux.
If you have not done it, you should inventory all of your accounts to know exactly where Unix (in any flavor, Sun, HP, IBM, etc) is and get engaged with them on how to convert them to the PC economics model and when doing that move to the best developer, application and OS platform in Windows. If you haven't done it at your customer sites -- then do a walk-thru of their datacenters and take inventory of where you see Sun machines, IBM, etc and ask them what they running on those machines. Learn about what they do with those systems, keep that inventory in your back pocket -- hell -- tattoo it on your butt if you have to -- and go after them. Knock them out one machine, one application, one department at a time. I cannot stress how important this is!
Now, on to the wins.
Let's hear it for Mandy Samuelson and her account team in Melbourne, Australia. They were competing head to head with IBM (who was proposing a Linux solution) at JB Were Holding, a worldwide stock brokering firm. In this time of economic downturn, IBM almost had the customer convinced that Linux was the low cost platform of choice for 126 servers. Mandy's team stepped in and fought tooth and nail for the business, displacing the IBM Linux threat for a platform win worth over $400,000 US. How did they do it? By selling the advantages of our platform and the new volume licensing program. The customer saw the value in the changes and believed in the Microsoft platform and decided to take advantage of the savings. Thank you team -- that's one less tattoo Mandy and crew will need to get.
Speaking of fights, Brett Cocking and team from the SLG vertical just don't know when to quit! Not only did they displace RedHat for a 40+ web server deal at Broward County in Florida, they're also going straight after one of the Linux community's key wins at the City of Largo (dubbed the City of Progress). "If they're the city of progress, why are they running Linux?", Brett jokes. "We're going in there to show them how much value exists in the Microsoft platform and take this win away from Linux!" Key in both accounts is the way Brett's team positions Microsoft's future.NET vision as well as providing great products like Windows 2000 to start building on that vision today. Thank you team! I know Brett digs tattoos, but this is one less he is going to have also.
Finally, there's the Ameritrade team. Lloyd Arrow and team lost initially to Linux in the design phases by getting vetoed by the CIO, even after winning on all other merits. After several months of schedule slips trying to implement Linux, the Ameritrade CIO resigned. The account team was back at it with the new CIO and within a month were ready to deploy Ameritrade's most strategic apps, their Stream Quotes Servers, on Windows 2000. This is a key win and will expand from 5 servers to 100's of servers as the service is rolled out to all of Ameritrade's customers. The win demonstrated our business agility and shorter time to market over Linux. Great work team! Lloyd now has more body surface area saved to get that Windows tattoo he has always wanted!
If any of you have additional wins against Linux, along with your strategies & tactics for winning, let me know for future e-mails!
the worst fact about this is that i had to read it on/.
when ie loads for the first time it checks with a MS server... why can't it make a quick to check for awful security flaws like this and notify the user?
I assume they would have had a disclaimer along the lines of "run this installer and we take no responsibility", but surely with an error as bad as this they must take some blame and give their customers adequate compensation. Deleting data is about the worst sin that software can do. The software wasn't marketed at deleting data, so the fact that it does, and irresponsibly, should make them liable.
If all the science was open, then everyone could have an understanding of all the risks and work together to prevent anything terrible happening. If governemnts/scientists/corporations try to keep it secret, they can't. With the Internet and fast transfer of information, any small leak will be immediately available to the world.
Instead of putting the effort into protection, put it into prevention.
It is unrealistic to prevent information to be hidden in our modern would, instead we need to control how it can be used and by who.
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yeah... could make it scratch the disc as you take it out
Start a fair and equitable record label? One that provides for the artist and fan's, while taking a "fair" share. You would have artists coming from everywhere. The current music industry is flawed because of outdated business practices. Obviously there is huge market for a "modern" business practice where everyone can be happy.
There is a market (artists) and another market (consumers - cheap cds)
Instead of keeping artists out of a contractual arrangement of having to produce 'x' number of cd's, let them choose you as a label, because you are the best.
Sometimes I wish I had some capital... I would absolutely love to do this!
The difference is that there is no 'artist'. The designer's get paid a fortune, but the artists are getting screwed every single time...
in our post .com crash era its the customers coming to the IT companies asking them to sort themselves out so they can buy their product(s).
i thought that google search would come up with a heap of pr0n sites!
This might sound harsh, but its true.
There is a point where you HAVE to declare war.
The MPAA and RIAA have passed this point a long long time ago. Writing a little letter isn't going to help. Did G W Bush just write a nice letter to Osama? I think not.
that this guy isn't already working for id?
Ya know, I can't think of a single person that I know that runs Turbolinux. Maybe that has something to do with their problems.
Since when was CmdrTaco the be all and end all?
Very good points I agree, but you could go further. Half-life is built on Quake 2 engine, which in turn is built on Quake 1.
If I purchase a CD I should be able to listen to it at work. If I prefer to listen to a few thousand mp3s that I have ripped and I have a 10G free on my desktop that I work on I should be able to put some on to listen to.
I work better when I'm in my element, which includes listening to my music.
I don't have to share them, but I should still be able to listen to them. That is between the company and me, not the RIAA.
I don't need to read any chem books, just print out this article, and bam! ....
Why on the front page mention converting to Australian voltage? Why not english or something? I'm Australian, but what's so special about us.... /. surelly doesn't have the much of an Aussie representation does it?
As this article actually has no proof of these 'rumours' I would like to provide some proof that he's actually wrong.
Why would the US Gov, recently release plans to vastly increase spending on nanotechnology?
A quick Google search shows some press releases from from 1999 and 2002.
I think even the ignorant in the white house realise that not assisting the nanotech businesses would be suicide for the economy. As a result they need to provide research money and keep everything in the open, not behind closed doors.
... other countries have R&D programs too.
Just remember: "75% of statistics are made up on the spot"
but still got the old 404.. any mirror's?
where did I put my modem? Broadband's dead.
so have i... for a few months now, and 2k a year or more before that. xp is definately slower
Obviously MS is going to try and do everything it can to prevent linux taking any of its market. Naturally it is going to be aggressive to restrict linux where ever possible, its just common business sense.
So, this may be some 'leaked' memo, but really it doesn't tell us anything that we wouldn't have known already. It just proves what we know/would assume.
memo could be fake or dated wrong. alternative is that MS realise that 2k is damn good but xp is bloated and slow for virtually everything
MS promotes Linux from threat to 'the' threat - Memo
.NET vision, which, as you'll see below, the company thinks of as something to be 'positioned' by its products.
.NET vision as well as providing great products like Windows 2000 to start building on that vision today. Thank you team! I know Brett digs tattoos, but this is one less he is going to have also.
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 12/11/2001 at 07:25 GMT
"Linux is the long-term threat against our core business. Never forget that!" Microsoft Windows Division Veep Brian Valentine exclaims in a confidential memo to his Sales Brownshirts obtained by The Register. (our emphasis)
The core outrage from Valentine's perspective is all these Sun and IBM shops migrating in droves to the cheaper Intel platform, and observing along the way that Linux is a good deal easier to deal with if you're already acquainted with UNIX. Funny that. Kinda the key idea behind Linux, but we digress.
"I need you to make sure that as many of these customers as possible continue to migrate off of UNIX, but on to Windows 2000 on Intel," Valentine says. "You should be smothering your accounts from every angle, and if you see Linux and/or IBM in there with it, then get all over it. Don't lose a single win to Linux."
Valentine's hard-sell hall monitors will be marching through a data center near you, we gather, searching for open-source contaminants and anything else that breathes in the marketplace and consumes their air.
"If you haven't done it at your customer sites -- then do a walk-thru of their datacenters and take inventory of where you see Sun machines, IBM, etc and ask them what they running on those machines. Learn about what they do with those systems, keep that inventory in your back pocket -- hell -- tattoo it on your butt if you have to -- and go after them. Knock them out one machine, one application, one department at a time. I cannot stress how important this is!"
It's no secret that MS has long regarded Linux as a threat, at least not since Eric Raymond broke the news two years ago with the infamous Halloween Documents. But it's lovely to see it becoming the threat, apparently because it empowers people to operate computers and networks without buying into the nebulous Microsoft
We just love the way salesmen talk. Especially frightened ones. ®
The text
From: Brian Valentine
Sent: Sat 11/10/2001 12:01 PM
To: WW Sales, Marketing & Services Group
Cc:
Subject: Hello again - long time no talk to...
Linux Wins & Update
I'd like to share with you are some great Linux wins we've had recently. But before I do, I need to highlight a trend that we're seeing with many of our customers. They're fed up with expensive UNIX/RISC solutions from Sun, HP, and IBM. They're looking to move and they want to migrate to the Intel platform. Unfortunately, because Linux is very similar to UNIX, and porting applications from UNIX to Linux isn't that hard, we're starting to see customers move their UNIX applications to Linux on Intel platforms. I need you to make sure that as many of these customers as possible continue to migrate off of UNIX, but on to Windows 2000 on Intel.
There are many other things that you need to watch out for with Linux and the Linux Compete Team has been busy creating some great collateral to help you win. One thing you have to always keep in mind here -- Linux is the long term threat against our core business. Never forget that! You should be smothering your accounts from every angle and if you see Linux and/or IBM in there with it, then get all over it. Don't lose a single win to Linux.
If you have not done it, you should inventory all of your accounts to know exactly where Unix (in any flavor, Sun, HP, IBM, etc) is and get engaged with them on how to convert them to the PC economics model and when doing that move to the best developer, application and OS platform in Windows. If you haven't done it at your customer sites -- then do a walk-thru of their datacenters and take inventory of where you see Sun machines, IBM, etc and ask them what they running on those machines. Learn about what they do with those systems, keep that inventory in your back pocket -- hell -- tattoo it on your butt if you have to -- and go after them. Knock them out one machine, one application, one department at a time. I cannot stress how important this is!
Now, on to the wins.
Let's hear it for Mandy Samuelson and her account team in Melbourne, Australia. They were competing head to head with IBM (who was proposing a Linux solution) at JB Were Holding, a worldwide stock brokering firm. In this time of economic downturn, IBM almost had the customer convinced that Linux was the low cost platform of choice for 126 servers. Mandy's team stepped in and fought tooth and nail for the business, displacing the IBM Linux threat for a platform win worth over $400,000 US. How did they do it? By selling the advantages of our platform and the new volume licensing program. The customer saw the value in the changes and believed in the Microsoft platform and decided to take advantage of the savings. Thank you team -- that's one less tattoo Mandy and crew will need to get.
Speaking of fights, Brett Cocking and team from the SLG vertical just don't know when to quit! Not only did they displace RedHat for a 40+ web server deal at Broward County in Florida, they're also going straight after one of the Linux community's key wins at the City of Largo (dubbed the City of Progress). "If they're the city of progress, why are they running Linux?", Brett jokes. "We're going in there to show them how much value exists in the Microsoft platform and take this win away from Linux!" Key in both accounts is the way Brett's team positions Microsoft's future
Finally, there's the Ameritrade team. Lloyd Arrow and team lost initially to Linux in the design phases by getting vetoed by the CIO, even after winning on all other merits. After several months of schedule slips trying to implement Linux, the Ameritrade CIO resigned. The account team was back at it with the new CIO and within a month were ready to deploy Ameritrade's most strategic apps, their Stream Quotes Servers, on Windows 2000. This is a key win and will expand from 5 servers to 100's of servers as the service is rolled out to all of Ameritrade's customers. The win demonstrated our business agility and shorter time to market over Linux. Great work team! Lloyd now has more body surface area saved to get that Windows tattoo he has always wanted!
If any of you have additional wins against Linux, along with your strategies & tactics for winning, let me know for future e-mails!
rofl, u anonymous coward! :P
the worst fact about this is that i had to read it on /.
when ie loads for the first time it checks with a MS server... why can't it make a quick to check for awful security flaws like this and notify the user?
hey! spanky555... if u're reading this... email me: tahpot@hotmail.com (re: mp3s)
/. for me to find ppl's email addresses that have posted?
why isn't there anyway in
I assume they would have had a disclaimer along the lines of "run this installer and we take no responsibility", but surely with an error as bad as this they must take some blame and give their customers adequate compensation. Deleting data is about the worst sin that software can do. The software wasn't marketed at deleting data, so the fact that it does, and irresponsibly, should make them liable.
If all the science was open, then everyone could have an understanding of all the risks and work together to prevent anything terrible happening. If governemnts/scientists/corporations try to keep it secret, they can't. With the Internet and fast transfer of information, any small leak will be immediately available to the world.
Instead of putting the effort into protection, put it into prevention.
It is unrealistic to prevent information to be hidden in our modern would, instead we need to control how it can be used and by who.