I would add that selling nuclear weapons information is punishable by life in prison, or death in some cases. $400k is a lot of money that you can live the rest of your life on (if invested properly) even in the US, where cost of living is high. In places where the cost of living is much lower, you could easily live the rest of your life on that and live quite well.
What world do you live in? People sell top secret information on nuclear weapons systems for far less money than that. And if you think $400k to an individual is peanuts, you're already in the top.5-1% of the world's incomes and have no concept of how the rest of us plebes live.
Do I count my bedsheets? No, but I know when a set is missing. I don't have closets full of sheets, just a few sets for each bed in the house. Sure they could steal small things that are likely to go unnoticed, but I've only met one person who found someone stealing from them.
As for "doing a crappy job when they know you won't notice", I feel that the onus is on you to notice. As I've said elsewhere, I've dealt with about 15 people over the years and never once had any complaints. The key is to be somewhat engaged yourself, explain specifically what you want, and don't just expect someone to come in and clean everything to your standards without you giving some input.
Every maid I've ever worked with did a very good job. Over the years, that's probably been 10 or 15 different people in the United States and other countries. (Mostly in the US) There is absolutely no difficulty finding quality services, if you're willing to bother putting some effort into it.
Expecting to just say "clean for me" isn't specific enough to get a job well done, I'll admit. You have to be willing to put some effort into it as well. Not being a slob has also helped me. I noticed when I was more lazy about cleaning the little things (like picking up clothes or whatever) so were they. I've had people clean the entire house to my liking, iron my clothes, wash my clothes, whatever is necessary, and I've never had a complaint with the service. I've only heard of one person (first hand) who actually had an issue with theft.
Asking your friends to remove your picture should be a simple process. Monitoring facebook might seem like an unreasonable expectation to uphold your privacy but monitoring your friends shouldn't be.
How is this informative. If you have housekeepers stealing from you have them arrested. If they aren't doing a good job, fire them. If you accept a crappy job from them, why are we to believe you wouldn't accept a crappy job from a robot?
Do you have any data to back up your claim or are you just saying that because it's what you think? I know several "rehabilitated" criminals, both violent and non-violent.
There are an awful lot of "criminals" who are just people who make mistakes because they're young and stupid, or just in the wrong place at the wrong time (but still guilty of the crimes) or just feel like they don't have any other options. Saying that "generally speaking, criminals can not be rehabilitated" doesn't mean anything. Let's see some documentation of your proof.
In what world does your college transcript follow you the rest of your life? Politics? It's the only one I can think of where anyone cares about your grades after your first job. Maybe academia, but not likely. You must still be in school to think it matters at all once you've actually had a job in your chosen career field.
So what? Plenty of people go to school later in life, after time in the military, after saving money because they couldn't afford it before, because they decided to change careers, and many other reasons.
The article you linked doesn't say anything except that one of the guys was an employee of the school. For all you know he's had a degree for 8 years and just taking classes part time but needs a grade for reimbursement purposes. Just being an older student doesn't mean you're stupid or have issues with school. I went back to school after the military. I started at 27. I had friends in my classes who were in their 40s already and decided on a career "upgrade". Welcome to the real world, where not everyone is an 18 year old geek.
So you're implying that someone capable of getting into college, and receiving a scholarship, or other financial aid will lose their entire career options for all possible schools? And you're also implying that their entire salary for 40 years should be the fine? I don't know about you, but if someone was forced to pay my salary for 40 years, they'd likely never be able to do it. Many people, especially in technical fields, make over 6 figures these days. Even if it's only $100k that's 4 million dollars, not even counting the rest of the ridiculous fees you've added on to it.
The sentence should be harsh, but not ridiculous. It's important that people recognize the consequences of their actions, but making a fine that is in no way possible for them to pay (for most people) is not going to make any impact. It will just show them (and any others who might attempt the same thing) that the system is corrupt so they have to be just as corrupt to get around it.
20 years in prison is a bit harsh, but I like the $250k fine. At least that looks reasonable for someone to think they'll likely actually be able to earn that in their lifetime (or even near lifetime).
"people just haven't been making the effort to discover flaws because it wasn't worth the time."
You do recall the "month of OS X bugs" right? To say that people haven't been making the effort to discover flaws is not only wrong, it's worse than your previous statement that OS X may be more insecure than windows.
Apple is not perfect and OS X is far from 100% secure, but to imply, without any corroborating data that it even hints at being less secure than windows is pure FUD.
You're right about one thing though, the more people start using Macs (10% market share now, ~6% 3 years ago) the more likelihood that we'll see more attempts at malware. I think you'll see already (if you read the article), though that it takes far more user stupidity to infect a Mac (as it stands today) than it does a Windows machine. Windows isn't horrible, OS X isn't perfect, but given the data currently available there simply is no comparison.
My guess would be the GP doesn't have anything but other blogs to reference, which we all would consider biased reports, true or not. The first 10 or 15 hits in google for "fox news caught in lies" are all blogs with rants about Fox and Wikipedia. ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Fox+News+caught+in+lies&btnG=Google+Search )
"Look, Islamist terrorists don't nobly meet the opposing force on the field of battle and seek liberty like Washington's generation did."
Neither did American Revolutionaries. At that point in history, war was fought by "nobly meeting the opposing force on the field" but American Revolutionaries shot from behind walls and buildings. They often didn't wear any distinguishable uniforms either, despite what you see in the pretty pictures. We didn't stand in a line, point our muskets and fire, as was the tradition of the day. Sure, battles like that happened, but mostly because the guns weren't especially accurate so you had to be fairly close to your target. It wasn't for lack of desire to be well hidden though, I can guarantee you that.
Anyone who thinks there's a difference between "revolutionaries" and "terrorists" is just looking at it from one side or the other, rather than as an uninvolved onlooker. To someone with no objective bias, there is no difference. You can argue that targeting civilians is the difference, and that seems reasonable, but when the "enemy" is not part of an organized army, how do you distinguish them? A combatant, in uniform or out of uniform, is still trying to kill you.
Actually NASA still flies them occasionally for research. Or they did up until a few years ago at least. I suppose they could have been retired for real by now though. And even if your data is accurate about altitude (none of the SR-71 pilots I met ever confirmed anything higher than 85K) that's still 20,000 shy of the altitude the balloon reached. I don't know how much difference it makes because you can see space fairly clearly from anything above 80 or so.
Most things that are classified are in fact classified because of how the information was attained, not because of what the information actually says.
Just because you "don't see anything that's even remotely classified information" doesn't mean anything unless you're actually an FBI agent associated with this particular case.
He's not ripping off the company badly. The company is ripping off the customer badly. And in many places where comcast operates, they essentially have a monopoly.
The security flaw could be found and fixed, but that's not what the hacker did. This/these person(s) should be found and jailed for making false "claims". At the very least something like "malicious intent" or something.
First, anyone who thinks multiple drivers on a long trip are not sleeping has never driven on a long "straight through" trip like that. "not a wink of sleep" is highly unrealistic.
Second, I didn't say the people I know stopped for "8 hours of sleep a day". I said I know plenty of people who've done cross country twice in less than two weeks. Usually that means 2-3 days of driving, straight through, followed by a week or so of visiting with family/friends/lovers/whatever, then another 2-3 days of straight through driving.
I will still say this is more hype than achievement. It's just not that difficult. As I've said in other comments, there are plenty of places (most actually) in this country where there is next to no traffic and doing high speeds is quite easy. Having multiple drivers does allow sleep, and therefore simply makes the trip easier. Yeah, driving 90+ for 36 hours isn't an easy task, but it's certainly not some big triumph.
I think it's stood for 22 years because most people wouldn't even consider bothering to do it. As for me doing it, no thanks. I have far better things to do with my time. I know people who've done very close to this speed, multiple times so no biggee. As I've said in other comments, talk to any member of the US military and you'll hear stories about people doing similar things fairly regularly.
I missed the "stealth" part about the car. Either way, 90 mph isn't really that difficult when you have multiple drivers available. The only real time you have to spend when stopping is to use the restroom and refuel. Everything else can be done "on the road". Packing food in the car even avoids slowing down to get McDonald's or whatever on the way. When one person is driving the other can sleep so there's less of an issue of sleep deprivation.
As I said, I've easily averaged 85 miles per hour over a 750 mile trip at least once a year for the last 10 years. I usually do the trip several times a year, and I've never had any issue with it. I stop for gas once along the trip (my car gets about 470 miles to a tank) and usually take two food/restroom stops. I've never felt like it was a particularly difficult task. I rarely go significantly faster than traffic, and I am the only driver.
The trip in the article is really a non-story. I've had plenty of friends drive across country twice in less than two weeks. (Not two weeks each trip but both trips in less than two weeks time.) Talk to any person in the US military and you'll be able to hear about somebody doing this fairly regularly to go see family, or a girlfriend or whatever.
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So you've spent $40k of your $400k. 10% doesn't really seem like a fair comparison, even if the $40k wasn't already inflated.
I would add that selling nuclear weapons information is punishable by life in prison, or death in some cases. $400k is a lot of money that you can live the rest of your life on (if invested properly) even in the US, where cost of living is high. In places where the cost of living is much lower, you could easily live the rest of your life on that and live quite well.
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What world do you live in? People sell top secret information on nuclear weapons systems for far less money than that. And if you think $400k to an individual is peanuts, you're already in the top .5-1% of the world's incomes and have no concept of how the rest of us plebes live.
Do I count my bedsheets? No, but I know when a set is missing. I don't have closets full of sheets, just a few sets for each bed in the house. Sure they could steal small things that are likely to go unnoticed, but I've only met one person who found someone stealing from them.
As for "doing a crappy job when they know you won't notice", I feel that the onus is on you to notice. As I've said elsewhere, I've dealt with about 15 people over the years and never once had any complaints. The key is to be somewhat engaged yourself, explain specifically what you want, and don't just expect someone to come in and clean everything to your standards without you giving some input.
Every maid I've ever worked with did a very good job. Over the years, that's probably been 10 or 15 different people in the United States and other countries. (Mostly in the US) There is absolutely no difficulty finding quality services, if you're willing to bother putting some effort into it.
Expecting to just say "clean for me" isn't specific enough to get a job well done, I'll admit. You have to be willing to put some effort into it as well. Not being a slob has also helped me. I noticed when I was more lazy about cleaning the little things (like picking up clothes or whatever) so were they. I've had people clean the entire house to my liking, iron my clothes, wash my clothes, whatever is necessary, and I've never had a complaint with the service. I've only heard of one person (first hand) who actually had an issue with theft.
Asking your friends to remove your picture should be a simple process. Monitoring facebook might seem like an unreasonable expectation to uphold your privacy but monitoring your friends shouldn't be.
How is this informative. If you have housekeepers stealing from you have them arrested. If they aren't doing a good job, fire them. If you accept a crappy job from them, why are we to believe you wouldn't accept a crappy job from a robot?
Do you have any data to back up your claim or are you just saying that because it's what you think? I know several "rehabilitated" criminals, both violent and non-violent.
There are an awful lot of "criminals" who are just people who make mistakes because they're young and stupid, or just in the wrong place at the wrong time (but still guilty of the crimes) or just feel like they don't have any other options. Saying that "generally speaking, criminals can not be rehabilitated" doesn't mean anything. Let's see some documentation of your proof.
In what world does your college transcript follow you the rest of your life? Politics? It's the only one I can think of where anyone cares about your grades after your first job. Maybe academia, but not likely. You must still be in school to think it matters at all once you've actually had a job in your chosen career field.
So what? Plenty of people go to school later in life, after time in the military, after saving money because they couldn't afford it before, because they decided to change careers, and many other reasons.
The article you linked doesn't say anything except that one of the guys was an employee of the school. For all you know he's had a degree for 8 years and just taking classes part time but needs a grade for reimbursement purposes. Just being an older student doesn't mean you're stupid or have issues with school. I went back to school after the military. I started at 27. I had friends in my classes who were in their 40s already and decided on a career "upgrade". Welcome to the real world, where not everyone is an 18 year old geek.
So you're implying that someone capable of getting into college, and receiving a scholarship, or other financial aid will lose their entire career options for all possible schools? And you're also implying that their entire salary for 40 years should be the fine? I don't know about you, but if someone was forced to pay my salary for 40 years, they'd likely never be able to do it. Many people, especially in technical fields, make over 6 figures these days. Even if it's only $100k that's 4 million dollars, not even counting the rest of the ridiculous fees you've added on to it.
The sentence should be harsh, but not ridiculous. It's important that people recognize the consequences of their actions, but making a fine that is in no way possible for them to pay (for most people) is not going to make any impact. It will just show them (and any others who might attempt the same thing) that the system is corrupt so they have to be just as corrupt to get around it.
20 years in prison is a bit harsh, but I like the $250k fine. At least that looks reasonable for someone to think they'll likely actually be able to earn that in their lifetime (or even near lifetime).
"people just haven't been making the effort to discover flaws because it wasn't worth the time."
You do recall the "month of OS X bugs" right? To say that people haven't been making the effort to discover flaws is not only wrong, it's worse than your previous statement that OS X may be more insecure than windows.
Apple is not perfect and OS X is far from 100% secure, but to imply, without any corroborating data that it even hints at being less secure than windows is pure FUD.
You're right about one thing though, the more people start using Macs (10% market share now, ~6% 3 years ago) the more likelihood that we'll see more attempts at malware. I think you'll see already (if you read the article), though that it takes far more user stupidity to infect a Mac (as it stands today) than it does a Windows machine. Windows isn't horrible, OS X isn't perfect, but given the data currently available there simply is no comparison.
Which is exactly what the grandparent said. "Except for buying a nice video card"...
My guess would be the GP doesn't have anything but other blogs to reference, which we all would consider biased reports, true or not. The first 10 or 15 hits in google for "fox news caught in lies" are all blogs with rants about Fox and Wikipedia. ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Fox+News+caught+in+lies&btnG=Google+Search )
I wouldn't bother apologizing.
This is slashdot. I'm not sure I'd ever find that interesting. Scary, maybe, but interesting, I don't think so. Goatse anyone?
"My bits are just as important as the next guy."
Yes but your bits aren't as large as the next guy's so you'll have to compensate with a cool car.
"Look, Islamist terrorists don't nobly meet the opposing force on the field of battle and seek liberty like Washington's generation did."
Neither did American Revolutionaries. At that point in history, war was fought by "nobly meeting the opposing force on the field" but American Revolutionaries shot from behind walls and buildings. They often didn't wear any distinguishable uniforms either, despite what you see in the pretty pictures. We didn't stand in a line, point our muskets and fire, as was the tradition of the day. Sure, battles like that happened, but mostly because the guns weren't especially accurate so you had to be fairly close to your target. It wasn't for lack of desire to be well hidden though, I can guarantee you that.
Anyone who thinks there's a difference between "revolutionaries" and "terrorists" is just looking at it from one side or the other, rather than as an uninvolved onlooker. To someone with no objective bias, there is no difference. You can argue that targeting civilians is the difference, and that seems reasonable, but when the "enemy" is not part of an organized army, how do you distinguish them? A combatant, in uniform or out of uniform, is still trying to kill you.
Actually NASA still flies them occasionally for research. Or they did up until a few years ago at least. I suppose they could have been retired for real by now though. And even if your data is accurate about altitude (none of the SR-71 pilots I met ever confirmed anything higher than 85K) that's still 20,000 shy of the altitude the balloon reached. I don't know how much difference it makes because you can see space fairly clearly from anything above 80 or so.
Most things that are classified are in fact classified because of how the information was attained, not because of what the information actually says.
Just because you "don't see anything that's even remotely classified information" doesn't mean anything unless you're actually an FBI agent associated with this particular case.
Someone please mod parent up.
He's not ripping off the company badly. The company is ripping off the customer badly. And in many places where comcast operates, they essentially have a monopoly.
The security flaw could be found and fixed, but that's not what the hacker did. This/these person(s) should be found and jailed for making false "claims". At the very least something like "malicious intent" or something.
First, anyone who thinks multiple drivers on a long trip are not sleeping has never driven on a long "straight through" trip like that. "not a wink of sleep" is highly unrealistic.
Second, I didn't say the people I know stopped for "8 hours of sleep a day". I said I know plenty of people who've done cross country twice in less than two weeks. Usually that means 2-3 days of driving, straight through, followed by a week or so of visiting with family/friends/lovers/whatever, then another 2-3 days of straight through driving.
I will still say this is more hype than achievement. It's just not that difficult. As I've said in other comments, there are plenty of places (most actually) in this country where there is next to no traffic and doing high speeds is quite easy. Having multiple drivers does allow sleep, and therefore simply makes the trip easier. Yeah, driving 90+ for 36 hours isn't an easy task, but it's certainly not some big triumph.
I think it's stood for 22 years because most people wouldn't even consider bothering to do it. As for me doing it, no thanks. I have far better things to do with my time. I know people who've done very close to this speed, multiple times so no biggee. As I've said in other comments, talk to any member of the US military and you'll hear stories about people doing similar things fairly regularly.
I missed the "stealth" part about the car. Either way, 90 mph isn't really that difficult when you have multiple drivers available. The only real time you have to spend when stopping is to use the restroom and refuel. Everything else can be done "on the road". Packing food in the car even avoids slowing down to get McDonald's or whatever on the way. When one person is driving the other can sleep so there's less of an issue of sleep deprivation.
As I said, I've easily averaged 85 miles per hour over a 750 mile trip at least once a year for the last 10 years. I usually do the trip several times a year, and I've never had any issue with it. I stop for gas once along the trip (my car gets about 470 miles to a tank) and usually take two food/restroom stops. I've never felt like it was a particularly difficult task. I rarely go significantly faster than traffic, and I am the only driver.
The trip in the article is really a non-story. I've had plenty of friends drive across country twice in less than two weeks. (Not two weeks each trip but both trips in less than two weeks time.) Talk to any person in the US military and you'll be able to hear about somebody doing this fairly regularly to go see family, or a girlfriend or whatever.
Yes it's stupid, but it's certainly not news.