A bit of extra overtime doesn't quite match Mike Daisey and your lies does it.
Starting at point 1. You're saying that the Foxconn guards do have guns, despite the fact that they don't.
You're as big a liar as Mike Daisey.
The biggest liar is you, arguing that because a labor activist may have been wrong about armed guards that he was therefore wrong about everything else. As we learned today, we was right about the oppressive working conditions. Now, you attempting to push that under the rug, that makes you a bad person. Period.
Because you really don't know? It would not surprise me. OK, "According to anyone who actually looks at the facts..." False attribution... "appeals to an irrelevant, unqualified, unidentified, biased or fabricated source in support of an argument."
And I do not have any obligation to refrain from criticizing Apple, for example by identifying Apple as a morally and ethically challenged organization.
OK, think about this. Clearly, IPv4+ will work just as well as plain IPv4 if you have a 4 byte address, whether that is static, or like the vast majority of connections today, dynamically allocated from a pool owned by the ISP. Now in addition you have the option of giving 5 byte addresses to up to 256 computers in your house or business or village sitting behind your four byte IP. These will all act just as if they had a four byte net-local IP, but in addition they all have globally routable addresses for whatever segment of the internet has also adopted 5 byte addresses. At least that is something, don't you agree? Or don't you?
All you had to do to get that was run apt-get upgrade. And don't fool yourself, you had to do that at some point to get your dual stack too.
I think the outsourcing would have happened regardless. Unions just happened to have accelerated this process via a positive feedback loop.
Well perhaps you can explain why that didn't happen in Germany, which has far stronger unions than USA? Germany remains a manufacturing powerhouse and is only getting stronger. Of course they play to their own strengths. In Europe at least, the market for German products is strong because they are well engineered and accurately made. You want a decent coffee grinder? Trust me, German grinders are amazingly much better than the next best thing. How about a knife? A car? A camera lens? Etc, etc, etc.
Oh I don't know, trying to assert that Apple has no moral or ethical responsibility for the bad behavior of its main supplier. Or perhaps you do not know what an "apologist" is. Hint: look in the mirror.
How can you tell whether Host A AND your specific path to Host A supports IPv4+? Do you just try it.. if request times out assume it does not have connectivity?
That is how any connection to the internet works.
This delay is not commercially viable.
Only if you assume that a host with a 5 byte address tries to make all its connections directly before falling back NAT. But there is no requirement to do that. A 5 byte host can always use its ISP's nat, except when it discovers another 5 byte host via some out of band mechanism. For example, two users may be interested in establishing a secure connection for conversation or telephony, in which case they can well afford to take a few seconds to establish their route.
What if the host was down or routing changed thru a router without support for IPv4+..how do you know?
Hmm, it almost sounds like you have never experienced loss of internet connectivity. Never lost connectivity due to a routing loop? Then you haven't been on the net long. How it works is: nothing changes, it is just like the internet we all grew up with. Maybe it is different from some ideal you have in mind, but this behavior is in no way different with IPv6.
Your IPv4+ universe is the same empty cliff DISCONNECTED from the IPv4 universe.
Completely wrong. A 5 byte host is no more disconnected from the internet than an IPv6 host is today. See 6to4
OK, you are just hammering away at the same difficulties that IPv6 has and trying to assign these problems exclusively to IPv4+. I guess that means you ran out of points. Here is my point: there is such a notion as "more compatible". There is no bifurfaction of the form "either completely compatible or completely incompatible" which is used to justify the excessive compatibility break cheerfully engineered by the IPv6 committee, which has proved so dismally uninteresting to potential adopters in practice. IPv6 adption shortfall is not speculation, it is an easily verifiable fact. And it is blindingly obvious that throwing any effort at compatibility to the wind is the reason for this.
For a good example of a successful incompatible-but-compatible design, look at AMD's x64 effort. The 64 bit instruction set will not run 32 bit programs unaltered, but the designs are a similar enough that programmers could easily deal with the differences. Not perfectly compatible, but compatible enough. That point is the central one that IPv6 boosters are unable or unwilling to understand.
Apple has started tracking the working hours of half a million workers in its supply chain, and said that 89 percent of them worked 60 hours or less in February, even though the company was ramping up production of the new iPad. Workers averaged 48 hours per week.
Those claims would appear to be blatant fabrications in light of today's report. I wonder exactly who made them.
"Contractually obligated to keep hammering the oppressed as hard as possible for a couple more years" will not play well for Apple or Foxconn, both of which are making mountains of cash.
And another reason Apple gets singled out is because their habit is put their effort into spin control instead of actually doing anything substantive. The more Apple does that, the more it makes people mad.
I think the outsourcing would have happened regardless. Unions just happened to have accelerated this process via a positive feedback loop.
Well perhaps you can explain why that didn't happen in Germany, which has far stronger unions than USA? Germany remains a manufacturing powerhouse and is only getting stronger. Of course they play to their own strengths. In Europe at least, the market for German products is strong because they are well engineered and accurately made. You want a decent coffee grinder? Trust me, German grinders are amazingly much better than the next best thing. How about a knife? A car? A camera lens? Etc, etc, etc.
So, let me get this straight. You Apple apolgists are in favor of oppressive working conditions in the sweatshops that make Apple's shiny toys, is that it? Because whatever semantics games you are playing, your real meaning seems clear enough.
Foxconn employs 800,000 people, it's the tenth largest company (by head count) in the world. Are you *really* suggesting that Apple goods account for a majority of those people's jobs ?
Why do you Apple astroturfers insist on putting words in my mouth? I said Apple is by far the biggest beneficiary of Foxconn's oppressive practices and that is verifiably true. Moral of this story is: do not every make the mistake of accepting the claims of an indignant Apple cultist at face value.
Now crawl back into your miserable astroturfing hole please, and do not refer to me as "sir" if you do not mean it.
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Indeed. Sony can enjoy the fruits of their amazing DRM, without me.
Actually, anyone critical of Apple's ethics is a liar according to you. And you are a slimeball camp follower according to me.
I am criticizing Apple, not defending Daisey.
I hope you understand that it is people like you who reinforce the picture of Apple as a morally and ethically challenged organization.
A bit of extra overtime doesn't quite match Mike Daisey and your lies does it.
Starting at point 1. You're saying that the Foxconn guards do have guns, despite the fact that they don't.
You're as big a liar as Mike Daisey.
The biggest liar is you, arguing that because a labor activist may have been wrong about armed guards that he was therefore wrong about everything else. As we learned today, we was right about the oppressive working conditions. Now, you attempting to push that under the rug, that makes you a bad person. Period.
Point one out to me, just for kicks.
Quote it specifically.
Because you really don't know? It would not surprise me. OK, "According to anyone who actually looks at the facts..." False attribution... "appeals to an irrelevant, unqualified, unidentified, biased or fabricated source in support of an argument."
Today we learned that Mike Daisey was right, whether he learned it first hand or not. And what does that make you?
Fanboi will say anything at all to avoid admitting Apple is once again proved to be full of empty promises. Must suck to be you.
Right up there with your string of logical fallacies, you should go look that up.
They do not have any obligation to do this
And I do not have any obligation to refrain from criticizing Apple, for example by identifying Apple as a morally and ethically challenged organization.
Wow, and speaking of Apple astroturders.
OK, think about this. Clearly, IPv4+ will work just as well as plain IPv4 if you have a 4 byte address, whether that is static, or like the vast majority of connections today, dynamically allocated from a pool owned by the ISP. Now in addition you have the option of giving 5 byte addresses to up to 256 computers in your house or business or village sitting behind your four byte IP. These will all act just as if they had a four byte net-local IP, but in addition they all have globally routable addresses for whatever segment of the internet has also adopted 5 byte addresses. At least that is something, don't you agree? Or don't you?
All you had to do to get that was run apt-get upgrade. And don't fool yourself, you had to do that at some point to get your dual stack too.
I think the outsourcing would have happened regardless. Unions just happened to have accelerated this process via a positive feedback loop.
Well perhaps you can explain why that didn't happen in Germany, which has far stronger unions than USA? Germany remains a manufacturing powerhouse and is only getting stronger. Of course they play to their own strengths. In Europe at least, the market for German products is strong because they are well engineered and accurately made. You want a decent coffee grinder? Trust me, German grinders are amazingly much better than the next best thing. How about a knife? A car? A camera lens? Etc, etc, etc.
Huh, offtopic? Smells like mod point abuse.
Oh I don't know, trying to assert that Apple has no moral or ethical responsibility for the bad behavior of its main supplier. Or perhaps you do not know what an "apologist" is. Hint: look in the mirror.
How can you tell whether Host A AND your specific path to Host A supports IPv4+? Do you just try it.. if request times out assume it does not have connectivity?
That is how any connection to the internet works.
This delay is not commercially viable.
Only if you assume that a host with a 5 byte address tries to make all its connections directly before falling back NAT. But there is no requirement to do that. A 5 byte host can always use its ISP's nat, except when it discovers another 5 byte host via some out of band mechanism. For example, two users may be interested in establishing a secure connection for conversation or telephony, in which case they can well afford to take a few seconds to establish their route.
What if the host was down or routing changed thru a router without support for IPv4+..how do you know?
Hmm, it almost sounds like you have never experienced loss of internet connectivity. Never lost connectivity due to a routing loop? Then you haven't been on the net long. How it works is: nothing changes, it is just like the internet we all grew up with. Maybe it is different from some ideal you have in mind, but this behavior is in no way different with IPv6.
Your IPv4+ universe is the same empty cliff DISCONNECTED from the IPv4 universe.
Completely wrong. A 5 byte host is no more disconnected from the internet than an IPv6 host is today. See 6to4
OK, you are just hammering away at the same difficulties that IPv6 has and trying to assign these problems exclusively to IPv4+. I guess that means you ran out of points. Here is my point: there is such a notion as "more compatible". There is no bifurfaction of the form "either completely compatible or completely incompatible" which is used to justify the excessive compatibility break cheerfully engineered by the IPv6 committee, which has proved so dismally uninteresting to potential adopters in practice. IPv6 adption shortfall is not speculation, it is an easily verifiable fact. And it is blindingly obvious that throwing any effort at compatibility to the wind is the reason for this.
For a good example of a successful incompatible-but-compatible design, look at AMD's x64 effort. The 64 bit instruction set will not run 32 bit programs unaltered, but the designs are a similar enough that programmers could easily deal with the differences. Not perfectly compatible, but compatible enough. That point is the central one that IPv6 boosters are unable or unwilling to understand.
Apple has started tracking the working hours of half a million workers in its supply chain, and said that 89 percent of them worked 60 hours or less in February, even though the company was ramping up production of the new iPad. Workers averaged 48 hours per week.
Those claims would appear to be blatant fabrications in light of today's report. I wonder exactly who made them.
Putting Apple in the "Big Evil Corporation" list over something like this is just enormously naive...
...according to all the Apple astroturfers.
I know Slashdot has a extreme anti-Apple bias
Actually, it's an anti-evil bias.
My guess would be existing contracts.
"Contractually obligated to keep hammering the oppressed as hard as possible for a couple more years" will not play well for Apple or Foxconn, both of which are making mountains of cash.
More to the point, what has Apple actually done since getting called out, other than spend yet more money on Burson Marsteller?
And another reason Apple gets singled out is because their habit is put their effort into spin control instead of actually doing anything substantive. The more Apple does that, the more it makes people mad.
I think the outsourcing would have happened regardless. Unions just happened to have accelerated this process via a positive feedback loop.
Well perhaps you can explain why that didn't happen in Germany, which has far stronger unions than USA? Germany remains a manufacturing powerhouse and is only getting stronger. Of course they play to their own strengths. In Europe at least, the market for German products is strong because they are well engineered and accurately made. You want a decent coffee grinder? Trust me, German grinders are amazingly much better than the next best thing. How about a knife? A car? A camera lens? Etc, etc, etc.
Apple apologist much?
So, let me get this straight. You Apple apolgists are in favor of oppressive working conditions in the sweatshops that make Apple's shiny toys, is that it? Because whatever semantics games you are playing, your real meaning seems clear enough.
Foxconn employs 800,000 people, it's the tenth largest company (by head count) in the world. Are you *really* suggesting that Apple goods account for a majority of those people's jobs ?
Why do you Apple astroturfers insist on putting words in my mouth? I said Apple is by far the biggest beneficiary of Foxconn's oppressive practices and that is verifiably true. Moral of this story is: do not every make the mistake of accepting the claims of an indignant Apple cultist at face value.
Now crawl back into your miserable astroturfing hole please, and do not refer to me as "sir" if you do not mean it.
It's not an Apple problem...
...according to Apple apologists. Of which a huge herd appears to have swooped upon Slashdot the moment this article appeared.
See what I mean?