they had this great thing, something that could have changed the game, and they pissed it all away because they didn't know how to sell it.
True that. Remember the elephant ads? I was horrified. I mean, that last thing you want people to associate an OS with is an elephant. Hmm. Big heavy elephant. White elephant. Whatever. It just doesn't work.
Geez, I wonder who buys these ad concepts. Right up there with Bill Gates' butt wiggle. Well at least I can tell you who bought that one.
How do you think it ran DOS and Windows 3.x programs so well?
As far as DOS goes, OS/2 could run DOS code better than DOS even before there was such a thing as V86 mode, via the legendary triple-fault hack and by requiring every interrupt driver to work correctly whether running in protected or real code - the so-called dual mode driver model. Just amazing that IBM got that inherently fragile platypus running solid as a rock, and efficient too.
CTL-ALT-DEL.... OS/2 didn't perform a special trap for that key sequence
What kind of nonsense are you promulgating? There never was anything special about Ctrl-Alt-Del, it is just a key sequence the bios recognizes and can be completely bypassed by taking over the keyboard interrupt. Perhaps somebody is confused with NMI? Which could also be disabled by a special bit of circuitry that was part of every PC from the dawn of time.
Interesting. I did a little bit of coding to the GEOS API as well, not much more than building their hello world application, whatever that was. I noticed that the SDK itself would tend to crash if you looked at it sideways. I think the SDK ran on a Sun 1, I could be wrong about that.
As far as the segment architecture goes, I did a similar thing myself with the 8086 segment architecture, which extended to the 286 protected mode model nicely, and also worked fine on 386, still using the 286 memory model but with 32 bit instruction escapes. Even mapping the segments to disk as you describe, it is interesting how my own parallel work is similar in that respect. The 286 version of it provided a very satifactory level of protection and system robustness, as each segment was protected from each other unless you go an explicitly do something nasty to a segment register. A considerably more robust development model than the everything-mashed-together-in-one-protection-domain Unix model. With the protected, segmented model, my kernel could easy suffer internal segfaults and rarely go down. Just great for maximum hacking gain with minimum pain.
Well, I don't think the low level machinery is all that important, it is actually quite easy to rebuild. It is the object oriented architecture that seemed to have some kind of special magic. "Sending out methods" as they quaintly called it. I don't quite get your point about the unspecified superclasses. It sounds interesting. Something about GEOS allowed a small team to accomplish more in less time than other teams many times their size. And some of that work has not been equaled to this day. It remains interesting.
I wonder what would be involved in getting that code base free. I suspect that a good number of devs have fond memories and would be more than willing to work on it, just for fun.
Nice trick. However, let me point out that in 1990 Geoworks GEOS was capable of running a preemptive multitasking GUI looking much like QT but with better automatic widget layout, on an 8 MHz 8088. I will just heave a great sigh in the name of the lost art of tight coding. No, Linux is not tightly coded. I should know. The best you can say about it is, the other guys are worse.
Each time you post, I add another one of those to my collection, and you can rest assured you will be seeing them again. Too bad for you, you have hitched your cart to thug Apple.
Want a picture of Steve Jobs parking in a handicapped space? I know you do, because you continue to post ad ad hominem attacks from behind the safety of your anonymous nick, which reminds me of what a morally bankrupt organization Apple is. See, the moral of this story is: Steve jobs said it is OK for Apple to flout the law. Notice, no licence plate. Steve jobs said it is ok to disregard morality and ethics. There you go, people like you. I guess that's how to got to be like you are.
It was you who mentioned the armed Foxconn guards, not me. I mentioned the Foxconn barbed wire, which is a fact.
Want more Foxconn barbed wire? Here you go. There's lots more proof where that came from. Just keep being obnoxious and I will keep posting it. Oh wait, no I will post some more of the slimy things Apple has done and is still doing, that will be way more fun. And it is just amazing how much of it there is on the net, just waiting to be linked by me for your viewing pleasure. Did you know I am making a collection of sleazy Apple links? Because of you.
As far as I am concerned, you are a typical example of Apple degenerate culture, and an excellent reason for the rest of us to be critical. By the way, posting under an psuedonym does wonders for your bravery, doesn't it? As I say, an excellent representative for Apple, carry on.
Please bear in mind that your gaping-minded ah hominem attacks are perfect encouragement to continue digging for dirt on thug Foxconn and thug Apple. And there is plenty of dirt to find so this should be fun. Thankyou.
Ah, and the point is that an ISP could put multiple subscribers behind one four byte address. And it would be better than today's NAT, which is limited by available port addresses and is really a nasty, nasty kludge. And 5 byte address owners can establish direct connections with each other.
...there will be no more 4-byte IPv4 addresses left under which an extra 256 computers could be made avaliable.
Not a problem, addresses already recycle regularly. Nearly every time you relocate your home, for example. Or every time you connect if you subscribe for a dynamic address like most people.
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Microsoft is full steam ahead on this trainwreck.
Wouldn't that be a shipwreck?
they had this great thing, something that could have changed the game, and they pissed it all away because they didn't know how to sell it.
True that. Remember the elephant ads? I was horrified. I mean, that last thing you want people to associate an OS with is an elephant. Hmm. Big heavy elephant. White elephant. Whatever. It just doesn't work.
Geez, I wonder who buys these ad concepts. Right up there with Bill Gates' butt wiggle. Well at least I can tell you who bought that one.
To make Ctrl-Alt-Del simply flush the filesystems and reboot the machine was a design decision, and a dubious one to boot...
No more dubious than having a power button, or an unpluggable power cord. Did you ever type Ctrl-Alt-Del by accident? I never did.
How do you think it ran DOS and Windows 3.x programs so well?
As far as DOS goes, OS/2 could run DOS code better than DOS even before there was such a thing as V86 mode, via the legendary triple-fault hack and by requiring every interrupt driver to work correctly whether running in protected or real code - the so-called dual mode driver model. Just amazing that IBM got that inherently fragile platypus running solid as a rock, and efficient too.
CTL-ALT-DEL.... OS/2 didn't perform a special trap for that key sequence
What kind of nonsense are you promulgating? There never was anything special about Ctrl-Alt-Del, it is just a key sequence the bios recognizes and can be completely bypassed by taking over the keyboard interrupt. Perhaps somebody is confused with NMI? Which could also be disabled by a special bit of circuitry that was part of every PC from the dawn of time.
Interesting. I did a little bit of coding to the GEOS API as well, not much more than building their hello world application, whatever that was. I noticed that the SDK itself would tend to crash if you looked at it sideways. I think the SDK ran on a Sun 1, I could be wrong about that.
As far as the segment architecture goes, I did a similar thing myself with the 8086 segment architecture, which extended to the 286 protected mode model nicely, and also worked fine on 386, still using the 286 memory model but with 32 bit instruction escapes. Even mapping the segments to disk as you describe, it is interesting how my own parallel work is similar in that respect. The 286 version of it provided a very satifactory level of protection and system robustness, as each segment was protected from each other unless you go an explicitly do something nasty to a segment register. A considerably more robust development model than the everything-mashed-together-in-one-protection-domain Unix model. With the protected, segmented model, my kernel could easy suffer internal segfaults and rarely go down. Just great for maximum hacking gain with minimum pain.
Well, I don't think the low level machinery is all that important, it is actually quite easy to rebuild. It is the object oriented architecture that seemed to have some kind of special magic. "Sending out methods" as they quaintly called it. I don't quite get your point about the unspecified superclasses. It sounds interesting. Something about GEOS allowed a small team to accomplish more in less time than other teams many times their size. And some of that work has not been equaled to this day. It remains interesting.
Apple attracts unsavory people
I wonder what would be involved in getting that code base free. I suspect that a good number of devs have fond memories and would be more than willing to work on it, just for fun.
Foxconn Fiasco Not Apple's Finest Hour
Nice trick. However, let me point out that in 1990 Geoworks GEOS was capable of running a preemptive multitasking GUI looking much like QT but with better automatic widget layout, on an 8 MHz 8088. I will just heave a great sigh in the name of the lost art of tight coding. No, Linux is not tightly coded. I should know. The best you can say about it is, the other guys are worse.
Apple's Chief of Secret Police Resigns in wake of police impersonation scandal
Apple's Immoral Support Network
Foxconn hid underage workers
Apple employees impersonating police
Thanks for your content free post, here is another inconvenient Apple link for you.
Each time you post, I add another one of those to my collection, and you can rest assured you will be seeing them again. Too bad for you, you have hitched your cart to thug Apple.
Evidence is seemingly contradictory...
Leading me to the opinion that the rot in this case goes deep indeed, I don't know about you.
You do know that Zimmerman was treated at the scene for injuries from havnig his head slammed into concrete...
But apparently Zimmerman was not injured as he claims. Surely you must be aware of that, which makes me think bad things about you.
So, two experts prove conclusively that screams do not sound like talking. Thankyou experts.
Want a picture of Steve Jobs parking in a handicapped space?
I know you do, because you continue to post ad ad hominem attacks from behind the safety of your anonymous nick, which reminds me of what a morally bankrupt organization Apple is. See, the moral of this story is: Steve jobs said it is OK for Apple to flout the law. Notice, no licence plate. Steve jobs said it is ok to disregard morality and ethics. There you go, people like you. I guess that's how to got to be like you are.
It was you who mentioned the armed Foxconn guards, not me. I mentioned the Foxconn barbed wire, which is a fact.
Want more Foxconn barbed wire? Here you go. There's lots more proof where that came from. Just keep being obnoxious and I will keep posting it. Oh wait, no I will post some more of the slimy things Apple has done and is still doing, that will be way more fun. And it is just amazing how much of it there is on the net, just waiting to be linked by me for your viewing pleasure. Did you know I am making a collection of sleazy Apple links? Because of you.
As far as I am concerned, you are a typical example of Apple degenerate culture, and an excellent reason for the rest of us to be critical. By the way, posting under an psuedonym does wonders for your bravery, doesn't it? As I say, an excellent representative for Apple, carry on.
And remember. This is not just about Foxconn, it is about Apple. Foxconn and Apple Fail to Fulfill Promises
You have made it clear what you are. No need to elaborate.
Barbed wire around a Foxconn factory
Please bear in mind that your gaping-minded ah hominem attacks are perfect encouragement to continue digging for dirt on thug Foxconn and thug Apple. And there is plenty of dirt to find so this should be fun. Thankyou.
Ah, and the point is that an ISP could put multiple subscribers behind one four byte address. And it would be better than today's NAT, which is limited by available port addresses and is really a nasty, nasty kludge. And 5 byte address owners can establish direct connections with each other.
...there will be no more 4-byte IPv4 addresses left under which an extra 256 computers could be made avaliable.
Not a problem, addresses already recycle regularly. Nearly every time you relocate your home, for example. Or every time you connect if you subscribe for a dynamic address like most people.
I'd shell out $100 for a PS3. It looks like a fun toy and I don't have a BlueRay player.
You would be way better off with a dedicated Blu-Ray player.
I do own an Xbox360 but it is mostly used for streaming movies to my TV from my Desktop.
Anyway, a console makes a lousy disk player, the fan is way too noisy.