Yes, you're trolling but I feel the urge to bite. Gentoo really isn't about CFLAGS. Its about USE flags. I can build programs as I want with whatever options I want. Portage takes care of the dependencies and my systems are _exactly_ as I want them to be.
If you like binaries, fine, there's no shortage. You use what you want, I'll use what I want. Keep your insults to yourself.
Frankly, you're not going to beat sitting down with your kids and talking to them about where to go on the net and where not to. I mean this software helps but isn't that hard to get around. All the kid really has to do is boot the system with knoppix or root the box. Some people might laugh at that notion but think of what you would do at this age. Most linux people have that sort of "I want to do this just because I can" mentality. If that gene has passed on, you'll need a little more than iptables.:)
When I was 10, my dad had a net-nanny type program on the machine allegedly to protect my younger brother. It timed internet access and cut you off after a certain period. So I opened up regedit and ripped the program out manually. Sure, the system was barely functional, the network connection didn't work at all and the machine needed to be reinstalled - but that nanny software never came back.
Well, to begin with I can't comment on Leiberfarb's work (and neither can you it appears) as I know nothing about him beyond the article. But adding a little logic to the equations: Corporations like to have 'Corporate tools' (as you put it) whether they are or aren't anti-consumer. The article mentions he was fired when he went for more money and Time Warner let him go.
I don't know if you have some information I don't given that you just blasted the guy. The article sort of implies that he was more of a business person that got people to agree on the format. The only mark I see against him is that in the article it mentions David Boise is his "star lawyer". Of course being a standard Slashdotter, thats a heck of a mark against...
Its probably just some javascript that is searching for the UserAgent tag. Get the useragent switcher extensions and you can "change" to IE6 on the fly:
There's a fundamental problem in US politics. It's that there are only 2 parties.
Yes, I agree. But I don't think the issue is that everything is always black or white. Its that both parties try and stay the exact same shade of grey. Mean Voter Theorum says they have to stay dead center of the political spectrum to stay in power and thats what they do. Ideology be damned.
Why would it? People don't turn on WEP/WAP today as it is. I can fire up kismet and litterally walk down the street and get a half dozen "linksys" hotspots without any WEP whatsoever.
Mine actually doesn't have WEP on it either but the AES ipsec configuration and the OBSD router keep the flies away.
This bug was posted on slashdot as a comment reply to the Assembly programing article a few days ago. I looked at it then and it locked up my machine nicely.
Aside from that, I don't know that your point is valid. Most linux users either know how to use patch and compile their own kernels, or can run up2date or whatever to download their latest prefab clutter. Also worth pointing out is this bug needs a shell to run the program and crash the system. If you're giving out shells and don't know how to use patch, this is the least of your worries.
The patch is linked from another comment in this thread and yes, you'll have to recompile your kernel. No one has access to my machines here but me so I'm not going to bother updating until 2.6.7 is released. Have a good one.
Are you piping it to spamassassin or spamc? If you have that much email it might make sense to run the spamd server (which is basically just spamassassin running all the time so you don't have to wait for it to start) and pipe the message to spamc to do its magic (the filter works the same). My advice is if you are really getting that much email, use spamd.
Also it is posible to train spamassassin in evolution fairly easily. All you have to do are change two of the labels in evolution to "Ham" and "Spam". Then write 2 filter rules, 1 that says if its labeled "Ham" pipe it to sa-learn --ham; and another for "Spam" that does sa-learn --spam. Then you just change the label on the email you want to be spam, and apply filters to the message. There's a site on the web that has screenshots to go along with this but I can't find it at the moment.
if I were the person he plagurized, is to sue him for copyright infringement. I mean in the off chance he actually wins anything, have the person that actually did the work sue it off of him again.
Bingo, thats actually dead on what they should have. The problem is no manufacturer currently produces a player that does that, and no one in the market has the option of buying one.
In another couple of years some other audio codec which nobody gives a shit about right now will appear on another player, and everyone who buys these non-upgradeable pieces of shit will be incapable of playing it.
Also dead-on (this is also why I won't buy DRMed files I can't convert later) but from the manufactuer's point of view (and tunes store in the case of the music files), they want you to be forced to upgrade your stuff. They can be sure to separate you from more of your cash that way.
Of course I'm one of those "behind the curve" geeks that'll be buying a karma in 3 years for 20 bucks to play all of my oggs on.
I think he was refering to the difference between a DRMed file that is a expiring waste of space and owning a CD. With a CD I have fair use rights (until the industry comes to take those away which I'm sure they're working on) to take the content of the cd I bought and transfer it into oggs that rest on my hard drive. DRMed files for most music services are "sublicensed" which is a nice way for the stores and industry to not afford the consumer fair use rights.
As for me I'm going to continue to by CDs for 2 bucks off half.com. Sure I don't get the latest music but I think its worth it to have an unencumbered copy.
Figure I'd chime in as well though I'm using Wine as opposed to crossover.
-IE 6.0 I don't use it at all. I haven't encountered any sites I need to visit that don't support Firefox. Then again, there are very few sites I _need_ to visit and IE is difficult to get working in vanilla wine.
-MS Word 2000, Excel, Powerpoint I have all 3 installed and run great under wine but rarely use them. Only for sending to businesses that must have.doc's. For everything paper-based or for my own use, I use Abiword and Gnumeric.
- Photoshop 6.0 I use the Gimp because my skills are so weak in the graphics department I don't see any advanages to PS.
- Efax Viewer -- I wish they'd send faxes in some more obvious format like jpeg but anyway this works great with crossover. I use efax-gtk to send and recieve faxes on my linux laptop. This isn't the same efax as yours but have you tried to view those fax documents with ImageMagick? Fax's are just a type of tiff so assuming your program doesn't change that format you could probably just use ImageMagick or ghostscript's fax2ps utility to convert it into a postscript document.
- H&R Taxcut 2002 I telefiled last year but next I'll probably see if any of the providers have an online solution and I'll just use that
-Quicken 2002 You didn't mention this but this is the main reason I have wine installed. GNUCash or KMyMoney is about as close as Linux gets to a native personal finance app but for some reason Personal Finance is an area sort of left behind in Linux. Quicken 2002 works great in wine but I'm told anything newer doesn't work. I'd really like a native solution (sorry, I don't like MoneyDance at all) but until then I'm happy with Quicken in Wine.
-Starcraft Ok, so its not a _must have_ but it works fairly well in wine (though it needs more cpu power to drive it). Its basically installed because if I have to have wine for Personal Finance, no harm blasting some zergling:)
Actually I mis-spoke when I said My Computer. You right click on My Network Places, hit properties, *Make sure Ethernet Card actually shows up*, right click on Ethernet Connection 1 or whatnot and hit properies. Hover mouse over the box where the ethernet card is and the Mac Address pops up.
As to why I didn't do ipconfig/all - It takes almost as much time to explain to them what I'm looking for in the window and for them to actually give it to me (as opposed to the Firewire address) then it does to kick through 4 little menus. Had we not had the issue of (What's the desktop?) it would have taken no longer. And from time to time, I would also do it the the ipconfig way. Of course had I done that here, I wouldn't have had a story now would I?:)
Yeah, I had one of those from when I did tech support at the university. Working a 8 hour shift from 4pm to midnight on a thursday night. About 11 o'clock someone calls down and wanted to register their new computer for a connection before the weekend. This should be no problem, I just need to get her MAC address. Now mind though that I'd been up since 6 and had 2 exams that day. The conversation goes something like this:
Me: "Ok, you're going to want to right click on My Computer and click on where it says Properties at the bottom" Her: "... Right Click the Mouse where?" Me: "Oh on the My Computer Icon on your desktop" Her: "... Well where on my desktop - My mouse is on my desktop"
Now, I think she means her mouse cursor but she actually means the top of her desk. After I realize that I try to explain "No no, the computer's desktop... like where the wallpaper is" which she thinks is the monitor as her wall is behind the monitor. It had been a really long day and I couldn't think of how to explain what the computer desktop was. It wasn't her fault, she had just never heard it put like that before. Anyway by this point the two of us are laughing at one another because we both sound completely clueless. Eventually her roommate pointed to the screen and we were all good. It was a nice laugh on a very long day.
She sounded cute too but you know... I'd always just be the "Tech Support Dude" anyway...
The first thing that came to my mine and probably many other/.ers is why not have a computer program that uses the same grading system to output the essay in the first place. I mean, why keep the kids when its much more efficent to just have computers do that work.
I think this just sends the message "you aren't important enough to have someone evaluate your work" and thats a very dangerous message to send. Sure I had alot of teachers I didn't like in school, and there were plenty of "group work" sessions I thought were totally pointless but nothing says that more than "we're going to have the computer grade it." It pushes school even more from being about education to being about grades and getting into the expensive college. I think thats both scary and sad.
So attack the guy for posting his view. Good attitude. If you'd look through the rather long list of posting to this article you'd notice that he is among scores of people have major problems with Gnome obvuscating configuration options. That by itself was reason enough for me to dump Gnome and I've been running it since rougly the 1.2era.
Yes, like you I like gtk2's look over kde-libs but fortunately there are more than 2 DEs. I'm very happy with a nicely configured XFce that is fast, pretty and doesn't require 4 hours of fighting with gconf-editor to try and change simple options.
Thank you. I thought was the only one that felt that way. Gnome has gone to this sort of fischer-price mentality of making things oversimplifed at the cost of power user functionality. I like gnome but 2.6 was a disappointment.
I've gone to XFce with a good ol' aterm. The terminal gives all the functionality and if I'm going to have a simple interface, at least its going to be lightweight with xfce.
Yeah, I was going to say back when I was at Penn State it was the same way. Traffic over I1 was throttled but I had a friend show me what happened when he hit an I2 host. Boom.
Actually, you can change it on the fly with/proc/sys/vm/swappiness Increasing the number will increase the agressiveness of the swapout. Mr. Morton runs with his set at 100 (the max). 0, I believe would turn swap.
My kernel has autoswappiness enabled so it figures out the number on its own. I'm running at 64 ATM on a 256 Meg system (ram donations accepted):).
Are you going to and from the University or are you just coming home? If you can get on and off that connection you can do an emerge -f to download the packages at the university and continue the compile at home.
The binary packages can also be out of date fairly fast. Gentoo is going to take some bandwidth to get the source files for building intially but assuming you leave them in/usr/portage/distfiles, all you really have to do is emerge sync once a day (equiv of apt-get update) and then emerging new packages. That's also going to take some time to download new files if they are required but you can do other things while portage is doing its thing. I generally go do emerge whatever and then go do other things. Some of those packages can be really big to pull down over dialup but then again, if you've downloaded Fedora iso, you've probably found a way to deal with large downloads somehow.
Second amendment rights advocates do not believe this either. The ACLU knows that. They're using verbal gymnastics here.
I'd tend to agree actually with the verbal gymnastics but you have to remember the ACLU's target audience - the "bleeding heart liberal". Now, I'm pretty left of the aisle, but not exactly a bleeding heart. I'm a member of the ACLU but don't feel that ACLU money should be spent on the 2nd amendment. I'm personally concerned with 1,3-9,13-15 though I think the 16th amendment is horrible. I tend to think the NRA does a good job with the 2nd on its own.
In terms of gun control, well (this is why I'm not exactly bleeding heart) I think they're sort of silly. I mean, you're never going to get rid of all of the illegal arms out there and you're not going to make a truely sizeable dent unless you have an almost police state. And if it comes to that I'd rather have some hunters with rifles hunting deer than the Ministry of Truth. Keep the 5 day waiting period to attempt to cap some domestic violence issues, and try to foster programs to keep kids out of drugs and crime. Then again, programs that actually would have some sort of impact there don't get the media coverage of seized guns or some cheap soundbite for a re-election campain. Why pragmatism and politics have to be so far apart I'll never know.
And well, this has probably pissed off both sides of the aisle (though I don't know where the aisle is anymore) and I'm going to karma hell. Oh well, g'night everybody.
The people who blame Bush for not preventing 9/11 are playing partisian politics; I don't think it mattered who was in the White House. I will say that I don't feel any safer with the PATRIOT act slaughtering rights and the bleeding of liberty from the country. I think we're all alot safer in a transparent society where we can see what is going on and attempt to stop disasters.
Maybe I'm too idealistic for this lot but to quote a general from the Revolutionary War, "Live Free Or Die"
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Yes, you're trolling but I feel the urge to bite. Gentoo really isn't about CFLAGS. Its about USE flags. I can build programs as I want with whatever options I want. Portage takes care of the dependencies and my systems are _exactly_ as I want them to be.
If you like binaries, fine, there's no shortage. You use what you want, I'll use what I want. Keep your insults to yourself.
Frankly, you're not going to beat sitting down with your kids and talking to them about where to go on the net and where not to. I mean this software helps but isn't that hard to get around. All the kid really has to do is boot the system with knoppix or root the box. Some people might laugh at that notion but think of what you would do at this age. Most linux people have that sort of "I want to do this just because I can" mentality. If that gene has passed on, you'll need a little more than iptables. :)
When I was 10, my dad had a net-nanny type program on the machine allegedly to protect my younger brother. It timed internet access and cut you off after a certain period. So I opened up regedit and ripped the program out manually. Sure, the system was barely functional, the network connection didn't work at all and the machine needed to be reinstalled - but that nanny software never came back.
Well, to begin with I can't comment on Leiberfarb's work (and neither can you it appears) as I know nothing about him beyond the article. But adding a little logic to the equations: Corporations like to have 'Corporate tools' (as you put it) whether they are or aren't anti-consumer. The article mentions he was fired when he went for more money and Time Warner let him go.
I don't know if you have some information I don't given that you just blasted the guy. The article sort of implies that he was more of a business person that got people to agree on the format. The only mark I see against him is that in the article it mentions David Boise is his "star lawyer". Of course being a standard Slashdotter, thats a heck of a mark against...
Its probably just some javascript that is searching for the UserAgent tag. Get the useragent switcher extensions and you can "change" to IE6 on the fly:
User Agent Switcher
There's a fundamental problem in US politics. It's that there are only 2 parties.
Yes, I agree. But I don't think the issue is that everything is always black or white. Its that both parties try and stay the exact same shade of grey. Mean Voter Theorum says they have to stay dead center of the political spectrum to stay in power and thats what they do. Ideology be damned.
Why would it? People don't turn on WEP/WAP today as it is. I can fire up kismet and litterally walk down the street and get a half dozen "linksys" hotspots without any WEP whatsoever.
Mine actually doesn't have WEP on it either but the AES ipsec configuration and the OBSD router keep the flies away.
This bug was posted on slashdot as a comment reply to the Assembly programing article a few days ago. I looked at it then and it locked up my machine nicely.
Aside from that, I don't know that your point is valid. Most linux users either know how to use patch and compile their own kernels, or can run up2date or whatever to download their latest prefab clutter. Also worth pointing out is this bug needs a shell to run the program and crash the system. If you're giving out shells and don't know how to use patch, this is the least of your worries.
The patch is linked from another comment in this thread and yes, you'll have to recompile your kernel. No one has access to my machines here but me so I'm not going to bother updating until 2.6.7 is released. Have a good one.
Well at least sys-admins and network engineers can finally use the login name they think they deserve.
Well, actually I think they'll all continue using "god" to login.
Are you piping it to spamassassin or spamc? If you have that much email it might make sense to run the spamd server (which is basically just spamassassin running all the time so you don't have to wait for it to start) and pipe the message to spamc to do its magic (the filter works the same). My advice is if you are really getting that much email, use spamd.
Also it is posible to train spamassassin in evolution fairly easily. All you have to do are change two of the labels in evolution to "Ham" and "Spam". Then write 2 filter rules, 1 that says if its labeled "Ham" pipe it to sa-learn --ham; and another for "Spam" that does sa-learn --spam. Then you just change the label on the email you want to be spam, and apply filters to the message. There's a site on the web that has screenshots to go along with this but I can't find it at the moment.
if I were the person he plagurized, is to sue him for copyright infringement. I mean in the off chance he actually wins anything, have the person that actually did the work sue it off of him again.
...
I wonder if he took any of my stuff
They should have a pluggable codec architecture.
Bingo, thats actually dead on what they should have. The problem is no manufacturer currently produces a player that does that, and no one in the market has the option of buying one.
In another couple of years some other audio codec which nobody gives a shit about right now will appear on another player, and everyone who buys these non-upgradeable pieces of shit will be incapable of playing it.
Also dead-on (this is also why I won't buy DRMed files I can't convert later) but from the manufactuer's point of view (and tunes store in the case of the music files), they want you to be forced to upgrade your stuff. They can be sure to separate you from more of your cash that way.
Of course I'm one of those "behind the curve" geeks that'll be buying a karma in 3 years for 20 bucks to play all of my oggs on.
I think he was refering to the difference between a DRMed file that is a expiring waste of space and owning a CD. With a CD I have fair use rights (until the industry comes to take those away which I'm sure they're working on) to take the content of the cd I bought and transfer it into oggs that rest on my hard drive. DRMed files for most music services are "sublicensed" which is a nice way for the stores and industry to not afford the consumer fair use rights.
As for me I'm going to continue to by CDs for 2 bucks off half.com. Sure I don't get the latest music but I think its worth it to have an unencumbered copy.
Figure I'd chime in as well though I'm using Wine as opposed to crossover.
.doc's. For everything paper-based or for my own use, I use Abiword and Gnumeric.
:)
-IE 6.0
I don't use it at all. I haven't encountered any sites I need to visit that don't support Firefox. Then again, there are very few sites I _need_ to visit and IE is difficult to get working in vanilla wine.
-MS Word 2000, Excel, Powerpoint
I have all 3 installed and run great under wine but rarely use them. Only for sending to businesses that must have
- Photoshop 6.0
I use the Gimp because my skills are so weak in the graphics department I don't see any advanages to PS.
- Efax Viewer -- I wish they'd send faxes in some more obvious format like jpeg but anyway this works great with crossover.
I use efax-gtk to send and recieve faxes on my linux laptop. This isn't the same efax as yours but have you tried to view those fax documents with ImageMagick? Fax's are just a type of tiff so assuming your program doesn't change that format you could probably just use ImageMagick or ghostscript's fax2ps utility to convert it into a postscript document.
- H&R Taxcut 2002
I telefiled last year but next I'll probably see if any of the providers have an online solution and I'll just use that
-Quicken 2002
You didn't mention this but this is the main reason I have wine installed. GNUCash or KMyMoney is about as close as Linux gets to a native personal finance app but for some reason Personal Finance is an area sort of left behind in Linux. Quicken 2002 works great in wine but I'm told anything newer doesn't work. I'd really like a native solution (sorry, I don't like MoneyDance at all) but until then I'm happy with Quicken in Wine.
-Starcraft
Ok, so its not a _must have_ but it works fairly well in wine (though it needs more cpu power to drive it). Its basically installed because if I have to have wine for Personal Finance, no harm blasting some zergling
Actually I mis-spoke when I said My Computer. You right click on My Network Places, hit properties, *Make sure Ethernet Card actually shows up*, right click on Ethernet Connection 1 or whatnot and hit properies. Hover mouse over the box where the ethernet card is and the Mac Address pops up.
/all - It takes almost as much time to explain to them what I'm looking for in the window and for them to actually give it to me (as opposed to the Firewire address) then it does to kick through 4 little menus. Had we not had the issue of (What's the desktop?) it would have taken no longer. And from time to time, I would also do it the the ipconfig way. Of course had I done that here, I wouldn't have had a story now would I? :)
As to why I didn't do ipconfig
Yeah, I had one of those from when I did tech support at the university. Working a 8 hour shift from 4pm to midnight on a thursday night. About 11 o'clock someone calls down and wanted to register their new computer for a connection before the weekend. This should be no problem, I just need to get her MAC address. Now mind though that I'd been up since 6 and had 2 exams that day. The conversation goes something like this:
... Right Click the Mouse where?"
... like where the wallpaper is" which she thinks is the monitor as her wall is behind the monitor. It had been a really long day and I couldn't think of how to explain what the computer desktop was. It wasn't her fault, she had just never heard it put like that before. Anyway by this point the two of us are laughing at one another because we both sound completely clueless. Eventually her roommate pointed to the screen and we were all good. It was a nice laugh on a very long day.
... I'd always just be the "Tech Support Dude" anyway ...
Me: "Ok, you're going to want to right click on My Computer and click on where it says Properties at the bottom"
Her: "
Me: "Oh on the My Computer Icon on your desktop"
Her: "... Well where on my desktop - My mouse is on my desktop"
Now, I think she means her mouse cursor but she actually means the top of her desk. After I realize that I try to explain "No no, the computer's desktop
She sounded cute too but you know
The first thing that came to my mine
As you can see my real reason for posting was my concern that the computer would fail me.
The first thing that came to my mine and probably many other /.ers is why not have a computer program that uses the same grading system to output the essay in the first place. I mean, why keep the kids when its much more efficent to just have computers do that work.
:)
I think this just sends the message "you aren't important enough to have someone evaluate your work" and thats a very dangerous message to send. Sure I had alot of teachers I didn't like in school, and there were plenty of "group work" sessions I thought were totally pointless but nothing says that more than "we're going to have the computer grade it." It pushes school even more from being about education to being about grades and getting into the expensive college. I think thats both scary and sad.
Oh and for the record I'm not a teacher.
So attack the guy for posting his view. Good attitude.
If you'd look through the rather long list of posting to this article you'd notice that he is among scores of people have major problems with Gnome obvuscating configuration options. That by itself was reason enough for me to dump Gnome and I've been running it since rougly the 1.2era.
Yes, like you I like gtk2's look over kde-libs but fortunately there are more than 2 DEs. I'm very happy with a nicely configured XFce that is fast, pretty and doesn't require 4 hours of fighting with gconf-editor to try and change simple options.
they argue that configurability is inherently bad
Thank you. I thought was the only one that felt that way. Gnome has gone to this sort of fischer-price mentality of making things oversimplifed at the cost of power user functionality. I like gnome but 2.6 was a disappointment.
I've gone to XFce with a good ol' aterm. The terminal gives all the functionality and if I'm going to have a simple interface, at least its going to be lightweight with xfce.
Actually, the best quote of that I saw (I believe I saw it as someone's sig here) was:
Welcome to America, Land of the Free*
*Some restrictions apply, void where prohibited.
Yeah, I was going to say back when I was at Penn State it was the same way. Traffic over I1 was throttled but I had a friend show me what happened when he hit an I2 host. Boom.
Actually, you can change it on the fly with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Increasing the number will increase the agressiveness of the swapout. Mr. Morton runs with his set at 100 (the max). 0, I believe would turn swap.
:).
My kernel has autoswappiness enabled so it figures out the number on its own. I'm running at 64 ATM on a 256 Meg system (ram donations accepted)
Are you going to and from the University or are you just coming home? If you can get on and off that connection you can do an emerge -f to download the packages at the university and continue the compile at home.
/usr/portage/distfiles, all you really have to do is emerge sync once a day (equiv of apt-get update) and then emerging new packages. That's also going to take some time to download new files if they are required but you can do other things while portage is doing its thing. I generally go do emerge whatever and then go do other things. Some of those packages can be really big to pull down over dialup but then again, if you've downloaded Fedora iso, you've probably found a way to deal with large downloads somehow.
The binary packages can also be out of date fairly fast. Gentoo is going to take some bandwidth to get the source files for building intially but assuming you leave them in
Second amendment rights advocates do not believe this either. The ACLU knows that. They're using verbal gymnastics here.
I'd tend to agree actually with the verbal gymnastics but you have to remember the ACLU's target audience - the "bleeding heart liberal". Now, I'm pretty left of the aisle, but not exactly a bleeding heart. I'm a member of the ACLU but don't feel that ACLU money should be spent on the 2nd amendment. I'm personally concerned with 1,3-9,13-15 though I think the 16th amendment is horrible. I tend to think the NRA does a good job with the 2nd on its own.
In terms of gun control, well (this is why I'm not exactly bleeding heart) I think they're sort of silly. I mean, you're never going to get rid of all of the illegal arms out there and you're not going to make a truely sizeable dent unless you have an almost police state. And if it comes to that I'd rather have some hunters with rifles hunting deer than the Ministry of Truth. Keep the 5 day waiting period to attempt to cap some domestic violence issues, and try to foster programs to keep kids out of drugs and crime. Then again, programs that actually would have some sort of impact there don't get the media coverage of seized guns or some cheap soundbite for a re-election campain. Why pragmatism and politics have to be so far apart I'll never know.
And well, this has probably pissed off both sides of the aisle (though I don't know where the aisle is anymore) and I'm going to karma hell. Oh well, g'night everybody.
The people who blame Bush for not preventing 9/11 are playing partisian politics; I don't think it mattered who was in the White House. I will say that I don't feel any safer with the PATRIOT act slaughtering rights and the bleeding of liberty from the country. I think we're all alot safer in a transparent society where we can see what is going on and attempt to stop disasters.
Maybe I'm too idealistic for this lot but to quote a general from the Revolutionary War, "Live Free Or Die"