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Bill, I'm lost in cyberspace... writes "News.com has an article up about a Direct Connected P2P network set up at universities which are on Internet2. This is majorly cool! More direct information is available at i2hub.com for those lucky enough to be located at a University with Internet2 access."
You know why "Internet2" is faster than the "commodity Internet" on college campuses? People weren't typically using "Internet2" for downloading movies and music. Just because the "Internet2" connections are less expensive, because they are funded through research grants, does not mean that students should be blowing large amounts of pointless traffic through it. The funding can get shut off just as "easily" as it came in.
Officials at the central Internet2 project said they had no theoretical objection to the students' action, at least from the strictly technological side. The network was developed to spur innovation wherever it arises, much as users of the original academic networks developed e-mail and chat features, a representative for the project said.
Yes, I think that P2P programs can be considered research and should even be developed on fast networks like this. I just don't think that students should take advantage of the *currently* open nature of the network just because they can.
Don't ruin it for everyone else like *we* did back in the late 1990s just because you want free music. Instead of fighting with the RIAA by downloading their music shut them off by not listening to it at all. Please support bands that allow the free taping and distribution of their music (see link in my signature below).
Now the files will move so fast the RIAA won't have time to see them! It's funny, laugh!
RIAA2
mostly a lot of spyware and adware.
http://efil.blogspot.com/
I highly doubt the RIAA even has access to the internet2
I have no developed opinion on the bararity of foo. -homeobocks, Gentoo Forums
The lag-free chat that internet1 never quite delivered on.
we see goatse2? sorry, it's early.
Clearly the development of this application falls under the purview and purpose of Internet2 - whereas the use of it probably does not.
No matter how you want to dress it up with rhetoric, the wide-spread broadcast of other peoples' material without permission is -- under current statute -- unlawful, and leaves one liable to civil and possible criminal prosecution.
What never ceases to amaze me is how many students think they can poke at the bears with impunity, and then come crying when they get a claw across the face.
How does the Slashdot Effect happen given that no slashdotters ever RTFA?
Dumbasses...
Let's just put a big ass "X" on our computers now why won't we...
Well at my school, the majority of the people with access to Internet2 are the Graduate Students, and I have a feeling they aren't spending their time file sharing (Though I could be majorly wrong, feel free to correct me). Ive thought about the abilities of Internet2, and the greatest things I could come up with were to instantly download ISO's for Linux Distributions, or massive amounts of source Code, or to trade a huge wealth of research. Im sure I am missing alot.
je suis parce que j'aime
My campus still blocks any incoming connections to my computer, so sharing to other colleges is a moot point.
"Some fight for law. Some fight for justice. What will you fight for? One day, you will see."
Why is there a special p2p for I2? Here at RIT we have I2 and it just works automatically. If you try to connect to an I2 computre the router does everything transparently. So whenever we connect to another college student with a p2p app I2 is used automagically.
The GeekNights podcast is going strong. Listen!
The US government, MPAA, and RIAA can have the first internet and we'll all move to the new internet 2 club. No Homers!
During my last year of University the network was so bogged down with p2p traffic (or so they told me) that it was a nightmare trying to download any kind of large file. Suddenly it felt like I was on dialup again. The only way to get a decent speed file transfer was from someone at another Internet2 connected school. My understanding was that any connection between 2 schools that were on Internet2 would automatically use the faster other pipe.
...to violate Comcast's bandwidth cap.
From the i2hub site...
:)
We are all from universities, so it's obvious that this service is for educational purposes only.
Yeah... right. And I'm sure that NCAA sporting events such as College Football and March Madness are for educational rather than commerical gain too.
From the article:
the network has drawn thousands of students from universities around the country to trade files and chat at speeds that far exceed what even ordinarily swift campus networks can provide.
Thank God! I guess Instant Messaging on this network really is instant. No more of those 100 ms delays!
The strong do what they can, while the weak suffer what they must.
I go to RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) in Rochester NY and we've had an Internet2 direct connect hub for around 2 years or so now. The hub hovers at about 23 terabyte of storage and stuff can be downloaded up to 11 megs a second. :)
It would be very interesting if the students managed to completely congest "internet2". I'm serious - if they do it then it demonstrates that we would still need more bandwidth.
This is purely a social networking system rather than a technical one. If I'm on an i2-enabled conenction, and you're on an i2-enabled connection, then any direct connection between me and you over any protocol is going to route over an i2 bandwidth link rather than going out over the open Internet link between our two sites...
Really, this is like when the Starr Report against then-president Clinton, and all sorts of ISPs who don't do content mirroring did a mirror for that document, since it was long and going to be frequenly downloaded that day. By keeping that traffic local on their own network, their outgoing Internet line was freed up for other traffic.
Knowing who is closer to your network-wise, which isn't aways the shortest physical difference or lowest number of network hops, but the one who has the most available bandwidth on the path that leads from you to them and back, when given a choice between mirrors is always very useful.
So, really, i2hub's goal is to just point out where useful content is on i2 rather than change any routing tables...
so all you need is ipv6, hmmmmm. the author should learn the terms and how they are applied before he/she talks. this is why he/she is in school?
foolish students, and a nice web page.... too much time on their hands, maybe they need more school work!
quote cut a little, but preserves original meaning. and there is too little context around to say 'it's out of context' ;)
At the end of 2002, [we] sent 6.7 gigabytes of data across 6,821 miles [...]. That's roughly two full-length DVD-quality movies [...]. That's fast."
[...] We are all from universities, so it's obvious that this service is for educational purposes only.
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Anonymous Coward is a known troll!!
I went to the website and clicked the link for the Mac OS X software. The title on the download page reads:
Direct Connect for Mac OS X 1.1.0
Author:NeoModus
Program Type:Adware
Interesting...
must install linux and glftpd.... ;)
If you agree with any of this, feel free to repost it in the future.
Song of the piracy apologist:
(1) I don't personally believe in copying CDs illegally-- but I think we should avoid using unkind words like "piracy" to describe those that do -- instead, we should describe it as an "infringement", much like a parking infringement.
(2) I don't believe in the record companies emotively abusing the word "theft," but I do believe in emotively abusing words like "information," "sharing," and "Copyright Enforcement Militia."
(3) I believe that piracy is driven by "overpriced CDs" even though CDs have dropped in price over the years.
(4) I believe that piracy is driven by overly long copyright duration, even though most pirated works are recent releases.
(5) I believe that illegitimately downloading music is giving the author "free advertising". I don't buy any of the music I download, of course--but lots of other people probably do.
(6) I believe that ripping off the artists is wrong. The record companies always rip off the artists. Artists support P2P, except the ones that don't (like Metallica), and they don't agree with me, hence they're greedy or their opinion doesn't count or something.
(7) I believe that selling CDs is not a business model, but giving away things for free on the internet is.
(8) I believe that artists should be compensated for their work -- preferably by someone else. I mean, they can sell concert tickets (which someone else can buy) or sell t-shirts (to someone else) or something. As long as someone else subsidises my free ride, I'm coooooool with it.
(9) I believe in capitalism but only support music business models which involve giving away the fruits of ones labor for free.
(10) I believe that copying someone elses music, and redistributing it to my 1,000,000 "best friends" on the internet is sharing. Music is made for sharing. It's my right.
(11) I believe that record companies cracking down on piracy is "greed", but a mob demanding free entertainment is not.
(12) I believe that it's not really "piracy" unless you charge money for it, because, receiving money is wrong, but taking a free ride is fine.
(13) I believe that disallowing copying and redistributing music over Napster is the same as humming my favourite song in public. Because when I hum my favourite song in public, everyone likes it so much that they run home, get out their tape recorders and once they've got a recording of it, they aren't interested in hearing the original any more.
(14) I believe that when illegal behaviour destroys a business, it's "free enterprise at work".
(15) I believe piracy is simply "free advertising." Even though that's what radio is, but with the legal permission of the copyright holder. Basically, what I really want is to be able to choose the songs I want, listen to them whenever I want, but I don't want to have to pay for it. Essentially, I want the whole thing for free with no strings attached.
What I find amusing is that the pirates seem unable or unwilling to distinguish between creative activity and brainless copying.
Since a lot of the people here are GPL/OSS advocates: the "OSS way" applied to this domain is to learn how to play an instrument. Or how to sing or whatever. Then get together with a bunch of other people who can also play music, and make some noise.
One of the unfortunate things that has happened to the OSS movement is that a lot of the loudmouth advocates for it don't understand what it's really about. They view it primarily as a means to get free stuff, and then they turn their eyes from the free stuff to the non-free stuff and think to themselves "maybe I'm entitled to get that one for free too". The noble ideals of grass roots participation in the creative process, and/or supporting it in a principled way (namely, boosting the "free foo" movement by preferring free foo to nonfree foo), or for that matter, any other form o
happy pr0n viewers.
yes, save the bandwitdth for those of us who are professional researchers of MP3s and porn
I love how they have a subnet ban on all of Resnet here at Texas A&M.
What do I care though. At least I know when the RIAA reads slashdot, it won't be anyone I know's ass on the line.
A common misconception is that this hub is "safe" because it is on I2. This is not so. People have been sued from using i2hub. No, I will not say who, but yes, I will say it's happened.
:-/
Filesharing is just bad. Of course I do it anyway. But if you look at your campus' bandwidth usage, some ludicrous number like 95% will be p2p traffic
thank you....i expect the I2 hub to be shut down within weeks now...
I've been using I2Hub for a few months and the downloads aren't that fast, at least as someone who has been spoiled by the internet connection here at RPI. Downloads from a user at another college with i2Hub are usually in the range of 30-80 kb/s. For comparison, this is about the same speed that I get from a p2p app that let's you download from multiple sources, such as eMule. If someone I know off campus, such as a friend from home, downloads a file from me via AIM, they get speeds ranging from 150-200 kb/s. However, for ease of use and individual files, as well as a better community, I2Hub is pretty good.
Internet2 + P2P = 2(Internet+P^2).
I'm at Brown and before they capped the i2 bandwidth I was downloading movies on the i2hub at over 8 MB a second. I honestly couldn't really believe it--full length movies in under five minutes.
When the internet is a fully corporate corpse (and it will happen) i see todays wifi tech becomming tommorows BBS,
this internet2 is just one of many splits that will occur to escape the impending controls
It was the over commercialization of the Internet that has 'ruined' things for us.
Not that some people are sharing music and video.
But then again, sounded like you have an agenda to push.. so nevermind.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I, but probably others, realised not long ago that it's rapidly approaching the point at which the characteristics of "Internet V2 (post WWW)" can be ascertained, and certainly apart from high speed, one of them as the death of unidirectional WWW.
The problem with HTTP is (as you see with the slashdot effect) that there is no inherent mass-distribution/replication in it. What will be the next big technology will be some sort of fluid merge between HTTP, P2P (BT, etc), FTP, to bring a real massively distributed content layer. Built into this protocol would be multicast as well (in a way, P2P is inherently multicast).
This means that when you browse the web, your browsers transport layer is really acting as real-time P2P, and your network ISP would install seamless "content caching" (e.g. akamani style) as part of the network. Effectively, there needs to be a replacement of HTTP/TCP as a new "DTP" (distributed transport protocol).
Who leaked this?
The whole things gonna be shut down in less than a month and all the friendly university reps are gonna be sued like whoa...
I say they just run the entire thing over an ssh tunnel and key the whole system so no one can "get in" and spy.
Sigh, Northeasten is gonna suck even more now.
Tear, Tear.
Grass-roots web hosting.We are poor colleg
MUTE would be a great application for filesharing on the Internet2 !
http://mute-net.sourceforge.net
See people wonder why if I have MY way I set up my lans to ALWAYS include NATD (typically a switch and or router of some sort). Now if theirs budget room toos in a LAN proxy and your' in business. Course I also advocate for shreding unneededed digital info (social security for one) , amasing how hard it is to proobe who you are when your IP is a loop back adress of another machine. :)
Well, ok, the software being used is new...but I was trading legal live music over internet2 years ago. Theres a well known community called etree where people list ftp servers and listings of what they have and rules for there server. Someone came up with the idea of trying it with just internet2 users, so i2shn was born. Obviously, the amount of content was kind of small on i2shn...but I guess ftp could be described as p2p. It was still cool and I support this effort. And if people wanted to keep i2 strictly for educational use, they wouldn't allow dorm computers to automatically route through i2. When you give any student at a college the ability to use i2...of course they're going to do whatever they want with it. I checked network graphs for i2 at my school...and we probably never used more than a fraction of 1% of the total resources it provided us. Wicked cool.
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Bus error -- driver executed.
"Overrated" mods don't get meta-modded in the system. Convenient, that...
I can't get on the i2hub! You dopes slashdotted the internet2! Come on, now you've ruined my only means of downloading pr0.... getting schoolwork done!!!! You couldn't just be satisfied with slasdotting the regular internet?!?!
If you agree with any of this, feel free to repost it in the future.
Song of the piracy apologist:
(1) I don't personally believe in copying CDs illegally-- but I think we should avoid using unkind words like "piracy" to describe those that do -- instead, we should describe it as an "infringement", much like a parking infringement.
(2) I don't believe in the record companies emotively abusing the word "theft," but I do believe in emotively abusing words like "information," "sharing," and "Copyright Enforcement Militia."
(3) I believe that piracy is driven by "overpriced CDs" even though CDs have dropped in price over the years.
(4) I believe that piracy is driven by overly long copyright duration, even though most pirated works are recent releases.
(5) I believe that illegitimately downloading music is giving the author "free advertising". I don't buy any of the music I download, of course--but lots of other people probably do.
(6) I believe that ripping off the artists is wrong. The record companies always rip off the artists. Artists support P2P, except the ones that don't (like Metallica), and they don't agree with me, hence they're greedy or their opinion doesn't count or something.
(7) I believe that selling CDs is not a business model, but giving away things for free on the internet is.
(8) I believe that artists should be compensated for their work -- preferably by someone else. I mean, they can sell concert tickets (which someone else can buy) or sell t-shirts (to someone else) or something. As long as someone else subsidises my free ride, I'm coooooool with it.
(9) I believe in capitalism but only support music business models which involve giving away the fruits of ones labor for free.
(10) I believe that copying someone elses music, and redistributing it to my 1,000,000 "best friends" on the internet is sharing. Music is made for sharing. It's my right.
(11) I believe that record companies cracking down on piracy is "greed", but a mob demanding free entertainment is not.
(12) I believe that it's not really "piracy" unless you charge money for it, because, receiving money is wrong, but taking a free ride is fine.
(13) I believe that disallowing copying and redistributing music over Napster is the same as humming my favourite song in public. Because when I hum my favourite song in public, everyone likes it so much that they run home, get out their tape recorders and once they've got a recording of it, they aren't interested in hearing the original any more.
(14) I believe that when illegal behaviour destroys a business, it's "free enterprise at work".
(15) I believe piracy is simply "free advertising." Even though that's what radio is, but with the legal permission of the copyright holder. Basically, what I really want is to be able to choose the songs I want, listen to them whenever I want, but I don't want to have to pay for it. Essentially, I want the whole thing for free with no strings attached.
What I find amusing is that the pirates seem unable or unwilling to distinguish between creative activity and brainless copying.
Since a lot of the people here are GPL/OSS advocates: the "OSS way" applied to this domain is to learn how to play an instrument. Or how to sing or whatever. Then get together with a bunch of other people who can also play music, and make some noise.
One of the unfortunate things that has happened to the OSS movement is that a lot of the loudmouth advocates for it don't understand what it's really about. They view it primarily as a means to get free stuff, and then they turn their eyes from the free stuff to the non-free stuff and think to themselves "maybe I'm entitled to get that one for free too". The noble ideals of grass roots participation in the creative process, and/or supporting it in a principled way (namely, boosting the "free foo" movement by preferring free foo to nonfree foo), or for that matter, any other form o
During my last year of University the network was so bogged down with p2p traffic (or so they told me) that it was a nightmare trying to download any kind of large file.
Yeah...a bunch of college students who were surely "sampling" all the "free advertising" on P2P. I'm sure none of it has any effect on music sales...yet there's suddenly a connection when sales go up one time in Australia (remember that article?).
It would just demonstrate the greed of people who will stop at nothing to pirate absolutely everything. Seriously, congesting freaking Internet2? That would have to be a new low...
I'm sure it will all be justified, of course. Some sort of anti-something movement that nobody really believes in.
eye am so 31337. I have internet 3, I got it 0 day.
have a Mac OS X client. It took napster forever to get a Mac client, and I don't think it ever got out of beta (if I remember correctly).
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
It was fun while it lasted. The University here is already blocking it. ;(
This is a test. This is a test of the emergency sig system. This has been only a test.
"PacketBlast" would build off of UDP, only with connection management and guaranteed delivery.
I'm so glad you learned something in your little networking class, but he already knows what UDP is.
Even if all the arguments on p2p over i2 being used for technological research purposes fail, it's still an enormous social entity, and one that can be used for research on the social sciences.
The p2p aspect is merely an incentive for people to come together, kind like free food.
Why does "use of a P2P application" equate with "copyright piracy?"
First off, because 99% of P2P usage is for piracy. To deny this is to be putting your head in the sand for your own agendas.
That's like saying "use of an automobile" equates with "running down pedestrians."
No, it's not. If you run down pedestrians, there is clear enforcement, and you will be arrested, prosecuted, and sent to jail.
It's much, much more difficult to enforce piracy. Hell, the RIAA tries to sue individual downloaders and people have a damn hissy-fit for some reason.
Just because the app *could* be used for nefarious purposes doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of really cool *legal* things that can be done with it as well.
Oh, absolutely. But there is no mechanism to enforce whether or not the copyright holder has permission for their materials to be distributed. It's disrespectful and immoral to people if you just pirate their works all over the place without even dreaming of what they might think about it.
We have to face the fact that the absolute, major draw of P2P is getting stuff for free without having to pay for it. That is its main usage, and 99% of users on Kazaa and eMule aren't there out of the goodness of their hearts...
They have internet2, but won't let students really use it. Heck, you gotta fight to really use THE internet. I've fought IT there on more than one occassion.
Why can't all fpga/microcontroller manufacturers just release free optimizing compilers???
By the way, your argument that P2P apps are different from their users is the same argument Slashdotters gave when declaring that they should be suing individual downloaders and not Napster.
:) So suddenly they're evil for going after the individual infringers. It's all about rooting for whichever position lets people freeload some more.
Fast-forward four years, and suddenly the RIAA is a bad guy for enforcing its own copyrights and doing just what the Slashdotters said they should do.
What really happened is that in the first case, people wanted Napster around so they could pirate freely, so suddenly they are evil for trying to bring down Napster. In the second case, they themselves want to be around so they can pirate freely.
If you agree with any of this, feel free to repost it in the future.
Song of the piracy apologist:
(1) I don't personally believe in copying CDs illegally-- but I think we should avoid using unkind words like "piracy" to describe those that do -- instead, we should describe it as an "infringement", much like a parking infringement.
(2) I don't believe in the record companies emotively abusing the word "theft," but I do believe in emotively abusing words like "information," "sharing," and "Copyright Enforcement Militia."
(3) I believe that piracy is driven by "overpriced CDs" even though CDs have dropped in price over the years.
(4) I believe that piracy is driven by overly long copyright duration, even though most pirated works are recent releases.
(5) I believe that illegitimately downloading music is giving the author "free advertising". I don't buy any of the music I download, of course--but lots of other people probably do.
(6) I believe that ripping off the artists is wrong. The record companies always rip off the artists. Artists support P2P, except the ones that don't (like Metallica), and they don't agree with me, hence they're greedy or their opinion doesn't count or something.
(7) I believe that selling CDs is not a business model, but giving away things for free on the internet is.
(8) I believe that artists should be compensated for their work -- preferably by someone else. I mean, they can sell concert tickets (which someone else can buy) or sell t-shirts (to someone else) or something. As long as someone else subsidises my free ride, I'm coooooool with it.
(9) I believe in capitalism but only support music business models which involve giving away the fruits of ones labor for free.
(10) I believe that copying someone elses music, and redistributing it to my 1,000,000 "best friends" on the internet is sharing. Music is made for sharing. It's my right.
(11) I believe that record companies cracking down on piracy is "greed", but a mob demanding free entertainment is not.
(12) I believe that it's not really "piracy" unless you charge money for it, because, receiving money is wrong, but taking a free ride is fine.
(13) I believe that disallowing copying and redistributing music over Napster is the same as humming my favourite song in public. Because when I hum my favourite song in public, everyone likes it so much that they run home, get out their tape recorders and once they've got a recording of it, they aren't interested in hearing the original any more.
(14) I believe that when illegal behaviour destroys a business, it's "free enterprise at work".
(15) I believe piracy is simply "free advertising." Even though that's what radio is, but with the legal permission of the copyright holder. Basically, what I really want is to be able to choose the songs I want, listen to them whenever I want, but I don't want to have to pay for it. Essentially, I want the whole thing for free with no strings attached.
What I find amusing is that the pirates seem unable or unwilling to distinguish between creative activity and brainless copying.
Since a lot of the people here are GPL/OSS advocates: the "OSS way" applied to this domain is to learn how to play an instrument. Or how to sing or whatever. Then get together with a bunch of other people who can also play music, and make some noise.
One of the unfortunate things that has happened to the OSS movement is that a lot of the loudmouth advocates for it don't understand what it's really about. They view it primarily as a means to get free stuff, and then they turn their eyes from the free stuff to the non-free stuff and think to themselves "maybe I'm entitled to get that one for free too". The noble ideals of grass roots participation in the creative process, and/or supporting it in a principled way (namely, boosting the "free foo" movement by preferring free foo to nonfree foo), or for that matter, any other form o
There are a lot of potentially terrific applications for P2P. Don't let the smear campaign that the RIAA has mounted fool you. If so, they'll successfully squelch another technology, just like they did to DAT.
-All that is gold does not glitter - Tolkien
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Think about it. All it takes is ONE host on Internet2 providing a connection to ONE host on Internet1. And it *will* happen. Just wait and see. Maybe it will happen for illegitimate reasons, but I think it will happen for very legitimate reasons. Someone will need access for some reason or another, and there you have it.
Personally, I think that instead of building a bunch of separate networks, they should build more high-speed infrastructure for the Internet. Bigger pipes and more of them, more satellites, etc. Then, the speed will be there for just about anything, and communications within organizations can be protected with VPNs or other technologies.
Either that, or build many "parallel" Internets, each with specific purposes (science, government, business, 1337 h4x0rz, etc.) with highly controlled firewalled connections between them for allowing legitimate traffic to go between them.
Are you saying that EULAs, employment agreements, driver's licenses, roads, running water, and electricity are "illegal and immoral acts?"
Drexel being an i2 university is not being allowed to connect since apparently our network admins have capped our connection. I just ran the speed test at http://www.dslreports.com on the wireless network and i got 1344 kbps download and 1464 kbps upload. Anyone who's turning people away because those are slow speeds are just retarded.
Internet2 + P2P = Internet1 ;-)
"Dubbed i2hub, the network has drawn thousands of students from universities around the country to trade files and chat at speeds that far exceed what even ordinarily swift campus networks can provide."
Yup, I just looove to be able to send my words faster than before! Reminds you of the modem era again, eh?
It's a GEEK school, ass. Do you not even know the difference?
I connect to the I2 hub through UCLA and can usually download and upload from and to other schools at about 30kBps - 200kBps which frankly is not that amazing considering how incredibly fat our pipe is (downloads from good servers can reach about 600kBps). The really amazing thing occurs when I connect to other UC users. UCSD and UCD transfers can reach about 3Mb/s. I'm guessing that UC's are on the same backbone?
It's kind of funny though, There are some poor souls here whose dorm networks are only wired for 10Mbit haha. So if you are coming to UCLA check to see what kind of network the hall you are requesting has.
Oh and I'm not too worried about the RIAA since I don't share mp3s. Actually, only IPs from schools with I2 connections are allowed on the hub so how would the RIAA even get on, that is can you only get an I2 connection if you're a scientific or educational network?
So I2 is not that special for speed but what's really great about it is that there's tons and tons of files and lots of anime. Now what I have to figure out is how I can stay on the network when I move out next year. Do you think I could I run a proxy server on a friend's resnet computer and then connect though that so I look like I have an I2 IP?
Peer to peer networking is INALUABLE for sharing uncopyrighted works like my mother's special pie crust.
And I find it much easier to collaborate on projects with my coworkers by using a peer to peer application such as eMule or Kazaa Lite to share Powerpoint presentations and spreadsheets. It's far more effective than emailing them, or walking over to their desks.
I have a regular weekly newsletter that I distribute via peer to peer as well. Sure beats email, a website, or RSS.
Thanks for putting an article about this on here. Lets see some more of us college kids get sued. Most of us are paying tuition so we dont have any money to get anything else except the essentials. And for the record, the i2hub is NOT all that fast even though its on internet2. Most of the schools cap their bandwidth off campus for i2 so some of you need to get your info right. We download most of the stuff about as fast as a t1 or a cable modem, it varies in speed. There isnt a special p2p client required either, its just easier to set up a direct connect hub. So everyone whinning about us not using our bandwidth for research, get your info right, we ARE limited. And besides at how much some of us pay for tuition, we should get the fastest internet speeds available, just because some of you cant get on it you see a need to complain or think we are wasting research money. We are PAYING to be here, its not like we are getting it for free. Some of you really need to get your information right.
I2 - making undergrads choose dumber things at higher speeds.
I don't know what's more stupid and less thoughtout piece of software...this or playfair.
The VAST majority of schools on I2 automatically route all intra-school traffic through I2, it's really the smart way to do it. So at most schools, using ANY IP-application, from an FTP client to P2P to browsing will run over I2 _IF_ there's a path to the target via I2. I've heard a few peole say 'keep it for research' but they don't understand, it's an academic-institution-only network, ALL the traffic falls under the umbrella of 'research'. The 'research' thing is just an excuse for the schools to disallow any commercial entries into the I2, which is really just a bunch of schools hooked up to each other via ATM.
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I used to work ten feet from the uri.edu I2 gateway, and I can tell you it's fast when you need to pull something from another school, and pretty clogged when you need something from a
Internet2 is really a misnomer, they oughtta call it 'schoolnet' or something, it's not anything special, it's not 'the future' or 'the next generation' of the Internet, it's just a regular IP network running exclusively between schools. The schools get HUGE 'sideways' bandwidth value compared to the costs of commercial bandwidth.
The people who were saying 'the grads have I2, we have regular access' is probably wrong, the grads have uncapped access while the undergrads have limited access to bandwidth. I'm pretty sure that the school doesn't route traffic that would be 'free' on I2 through an expensive ISP.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
*ducks, hides*
Well, personally, Rhadamanthos will be in hiding until the media storm blows over.
I dont THINK I was sharing anything illegal, but who knows when an MP3 might slip into a random directory...
Please dont hurt me RIAA *whimper*
I go to Whatsamatta U, and all they tell me is I can't use the Internet. So I tells them, I tells them, "Whatsamatta U?" and they tell me naught.
You keep bringing up this stupid argument that has been proven wrong over and over again, yet you still get moderated up for it (obviously, the crack must be quite good lately). Oh, don't worry about it. Your friend Bill Gates has already solved that problem by putting NGSCB into the upcoming Longhorn which you're already drooling over. Coupled with TCPA tech from the hardware manufacturers, they'll ensure that nobody is able to make a copy of Office ever again--but then nobody will be buying it either. And who's to say that it's 'disrespectful and immoral' to copy bits? Oh, that's right, just you. And those who stand to make money by making it difficult or impossible to copy bits.
How you manage to get modded up with this tired old crap every time is a mystery to me. Wake up moderators!
It is clear that you are a moron.
... because it *is* overrated.
People who build their businesses on faulty models are freeloaders who get bitter when the free ride is taken away.
Ironically, it's very similar: "GIMME THAT, THAT'S MINE! GIMME THAT, THAT'S MINE!"
don't use so many caps it's like yelling but i like to yell you asswipe
And, yet again, you offer no proof of this: All we have is your say-so that people who complain about GPL violations are, at the same time, the same people who are 'chapioning piracy' (which is bogus terminology, but the people in power get to make the rules, I guess). BTW, according to your lights it's OK for corporations to break the law but not ordinary people. I'd say that makes you a hypocrite. Apparently. Never mind that Hollywood's foundations rested on it back when it was convenient for them. But let's not speak so loudly about that, shall we?
I don't see why we would ever have legislation against spyware. 1) It could potentially hurt a legitamate software company, since most politicians don't know enough about computers and programs to clearly state the differences between spyware and non-spyware. 2) The U.S. is about protecting rights, not limiting them. Putting spyware companies out of business may seem like good business, but really isn't. Remember, its someone elses job somewhere. Which brings me to my third point... 3) Many, many, many... many of us have jobs due to spyware. Sure, its not fun, it makes our lives suck, its bad! bad as it may be, many of us have jobs because of it, not to mention all the software companies and repair shops all over the place which are getting money for removing spyware. Its a giant cycle that feeds itself called the economy, and once we start taking little things out of the loop, we only hurt ourselves. I don't disagree with people that spyware sucks. So does spam for that matter, but making laws are not going to do anything. We all saw how ineffective anti-spam laws have been, do we really think much will change with a spyware law? Everything about making spyware illegal would go against the whole foundation of our country. As for Europe, its okay for them to ban spyware.
Although nowhere near Internet2 capabilities, I just got fiber installed to my house yesterday through Surewest Communications, and decided to test some upload speeds. So I go on Kazaa, share a shitload of popular live music I have (about 20GB). After about an hour I have like 50 people downloading from me, my total combined upload speed to other users is about 12mbps. While thats going I decide to test a download from Microsoft, and while I was uploading at 12mbps to Kazaa, I was able to download at 12mbps from MS too. I am used to ADSL, so getting those massive numbers in upload speeds was great.
And those are speeds into my home, imagine how the RIAA/MPAA is shittin their pants over Internet2 right now. Gotta love fiber.
Internet2 is also fully multicast enabled (up to the border router of the each institution). I've always thought it would be cool to somehow build in an option into peer to peer software to multicast software.
I imagine something like the following....
1. You announce the availability of a file
2. Other peers respond saying they would like it.
3. After pre-determined amount of time, if a threshold of users have responded that they want the file. Then send back another announcement that a multicast of the file will commence in some short time period (like 5 min).
4. Let it rip!
I'm sure there would be other problems to think about, like what happens if you drop packets....but it would still be cool.
I'm on an Internet2 multicast enabled organization, and as a test I multcasted a DVD LIVE using VLC to a friend on the other side of the world. It was really cool!
I've asked this question a couple of times on usenet but could never really get an answer.
Lets say I want to restrict Gnutella, or Emule, or Gnutella 2 to Internet2 traffic only and my local university or lab peers with both networks. Is there a way that I can restrict the application (Shareaza for example) to only Internet2 connected sites without breaking access for other software (like web browsing) to the regular internet?
You have a beef with the RIAA, so you think everybody should rip off copyright holders. John Carmack will certainly appreciate your viewpoint when Doom 3 flies all over eMule.
Remind me of that next time Slashdot posts a whiny GPL copyright violation article. Oh, I forgot, copyrights should only be enforced when it serves our community's agenda. But ripping off artists is just fine because somehow the record labels are doing something wrong by selling CDs.
I've heard this from so many recording label apologists, and its stupid.
It's stupid that a person would want something for free instead of paying for it? You are honestly arguing against that? 99.9% of those Kazaa users are pirating the fuck out of everything because it's free.
Your assumption about what is "natural" is totally unfounded.
ROFLMAO. Do you live in the same world the rest of us do? God, people are always trying to cheat in this world.
I, for one, can download any game I want, but if I'm not doing more than checking it out and making sure it works on the computer, I buy it.
Wow. Your anecdote means the other 9 million users are all just "sampling" everything. It doesn't matter. The rights of the copyright holder are still valid, and you don't magically have domain to choose to do what you want with someone else's intellectual property just because you're one exception who actually goes out and buys the things they download. Such people are a very, very, VERY small minority that don't justify the rampant piracy happening.
Why do you think game companies are moving to consoles so quickly? It's much harder to pirate the fuck out of the games.
I mean, get real...if people would at least admit what P2P is primarily used for, their position could be respected more. But this whole stick-your-head-in-the-sand, "*I* use it to sample stuff before I *buy* it, so that makes the other 99% of rampant illegal piracy okay" mindset is completely fucking juvenile.
The GPL only exists because copyright law exists,
What the hell do you think my point was? I'll spell it out for you because you seem to have misunderstood.
The GPL exists because of copyright law, just as you stated. Therefore, it is hypocritical to go around justify breaking other people's copyright because you're anti-something-or-other. You are essentially saying copyright law only holds up when you decide it does. It's hypocritical.
but it's easier to go with a cheap soundbite about hypocrisy than it is to think a little deeper about things. If copyright went away tomorrow, there would be no one to complain about GPL violations (but that undermines your argument, so you never bother to point that out, do you?).
Uh, it doesn't undermine anything I said. Next time, read things more clearly before you spout off...you're arguing part of what I was saying. GPL only exists because of copyright law, but piracy undermines copyright law. Got it? It's a double standard.
...that all of a sudden, I get the feeling this bill guy is going to get ddos'ed by half the people who use the i2 hub?
You do, of course, realize that you are a supremely ignorant, arrogant, and insensitive asshole for that comment.
Hey, guess what? Just because you worked hard to make something doesn't mean that you're entitled to get paid for doing so. But you're too much of an idiot to grasp even that simple truth.
It is a *very* good thing your attitide was not to be had when a bunch of students started using ARPANET to communicate with text messages.
Direct Connect allows RIT students to trade rampantly throughout RIT's housing network (Dorms and on-campus apartments). We've got at this moment 22 TB of data being shared, and that's on the RIT DC hub alone. After connecting to the i2hub.com hub, we can get about 75 TB of data. Most RIT students feel that they are invinicble because only RIT students who are plugged into the Resident Hall's network can access this RIT hub. Therefore, almost all students beleive that the RIAA can't touch them since no outsiders can connect to the network. This is the unfortunate truth of the matter, where everything from underground music to ID creation tools to gay porn is shared here.
Granted, this is an AWESOME tool for sharing legit files and open source software: but what can I say, a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.
RIT has turned a blind eye to this in the past, only requesting that the ID creation tools to be removed. RIT doesn't monitor it's network, nor are there any limits for the students. This is awesome; I can image a friend's computer to help them restore a system, but at the same time people who trade GIGS of files an hour will ruin it for the rest of us.
So to put it short, we all knew this day was coming RIT - the cat is out of the bag. It was gonna happen sometime. Don't blame the parent of this post, he/she just simply said the truth. They were honest. We shouldn't blame them, we should blame ourselves for letting this trading get so public in the first place. If it was kept out of sight and not publicized as it has been at RIT, we would probably still be allright. But no, we must create hubs where hundreds of people can connect and share TB of files at once. We made ourselves a target by being so big. We ruined the network for everyone who DOES use it for legit reasons. Academics/Research does not equal breaking the law.