"that he took a lead role in the creation of the Internet -- which he did,"
Well one notes that Gore constantly re-invents himself daily if not overnite, during dream-walkabouts,during the middle of a debate, whenever he smokes a joint, after lunch,.....
Why do you guys keep trying to make this lame comparision?
I can keep spyware and virii out by virtue of a well tuned firewall. I can't keep spam from hitting my mailbox.
Yes idiots do allow their machines to be infected and if they were capable of the slightest intelligence they would run firewalls and the problems with those two would be solved.
Still spam will keep on coming.
Spam is UCE. Simple. It takes bandwidth. Yes the others do........aw hell with it...you just don't get it!!!!!
How would you then label Todd Beamer who took upon himself and with the help of others, performed a bit of vigilantism on Sept 11 of the year 2001?
Did you say Hero? I agree and also he took the law into his own hands. Does that fit the above posters description of vigilantism?
Most of the Constitution as far as I read it has to do with the reality of property and the ability to defend same. Isn't that the difference between us and the communists? Or say N. Korea where they are apparently still eating the bark off the trees for food.
In some states the use of deadly force to protect property still exists. Not usually a Blue state though.
Bullshit. Spam has little to do with the OS your using.
Filters are not the answer.
Your background? EE...why always an EE jumping ship to CS?
My background? 30 yrs an IBM Staff Programmer. Worked also in Research. System Programmer on VM/MVS . Mainframes reaching back to the 360 era. Consultant afterwards. Write desktop apps using Office XP Developer suite. Created 911 systems.Country Sheriff tax systems. and so on and so on. Was instrumental in work with IBM early PCs. Was on site when it was announced. Built apps both at work and off work for the last 30 years.
Once active in Ham packet area. Responsible for mulititudes of IBM internal networking systems and that was way way before there was an internet.
Spyware and Virii are NOT SPAM.
ISPs are not WebHosters(they may do a bit). You got all this massively confused and are striking out blindly hoping to hit something I guess.
Any idiot can put up a firewall and prevent being zombied. That still doesn't stop SPAM. Clear? Crystal clear?
An extremely well written and thought out piece of advocacy. Silent hand clapping. Flowers being thrown. A tad of jealousy also.
All those who are tired of the endless games and the wasted time spent combing thru your 'filtered' email, checking to see if the deletes may have what you missed and desperately need, constantly rebuilding and resetting your rules and filters.....all those who are sick of the endless games need to become far far more vocal in order to effectively rid the planet of these vermin and carrion.
You really don't understand much about this area do you?
Your confusing desktop architecture somehow with SMTP and network topologgy along with most of the other aspects of modern computing and laying it at MSFT's doorstep.
I don't care for MSFT but you need to go read some of the 'DUMMY' series of books. Start with 'Knowledge for Dummies' and work up from there.
Then drop msft and windows. Go to Linux. You will still get spammed. If the whole world stopped using Windows it still wouldn't matter. There will be spammers until they are slowly bleed out.
MSFT didn't create SMTP or any other email protocol ASAIK.
They did do many other things very very poorly. Like put out a sicko product like XP. You don't have to use it.
I say nothing about banning 100,000 users. Unless all 100,000 were using the website for spamming activity. Meaning---buy you latest penis enhancer here or whatever the spam URL is. If its THEIR server then they should simply enforce the TOS.
Simple? Yes.
You seem to have email and websites mixed up.
Here is a clue. The spam points to a URL...OK? You go then to the URL for whatever they are spamming you with...drugs,fake watches,cheap loans,whatever....GET IT????
They munge their email address and use open relays (and other methods) and all thats in the spam is pointing to the website.
Simple then.Ok you got it.
I think if an ISP has users(spammers) violating the TOS and stealing internet bandwidth then they should take action BUT they do zip. So we have to take action.
What the fsck do you see wrong with that or are you just putting up a smoke screen...thought so.
Surely most Hosting sites have a TOS which forbids sure nefarious activity. Surely then THEY are turning a blind eye to this activity but when it affects their performance they bitch to the ones who are getting revenge instead of simply cleaning up their users and abusers.
Then how many are really IN BED with the spammers?
How many would rather count their money that count the abuser on their servers who violate criminal laws and their TOS?
We are the bad guys? Gimme a break then and just shut yo piehole until YOU clean it up yourself.
They (spammers) shouldn't be that hard to find on your servers. If you can devote the time to whining on/. about how those offended are fighting back surely you have the time to analyze your own servers. Especially when they did come under attack via the screen saver.
What did the admins then say when they seen the 'hits'? Oh hhhh we must stop that knavish Lycos and the one's using it. They are the real enemy.
Pure twaddle. YOu must be in the same camp that sez that firearms pull their own triggers.
Consider that autos can kill (various methods,defects,maniac at the wheel..etc) yet do we stop producing automobiles??? Or nuclear fission plants,or drugs , or drain clearners or a zillon other products that CAUSE US TO TAKE ON RESPONSIBILITY???
Your just asking for more ligitation and less human common sense.
and I wouldn't be suprised that many nerds and geeks will say to themselves: "Gee maybe I need to do some business with Lycos, since they are compatiable with my goals and took a shot when others did the cowards trick and stayed at home."
You really don't 'work' in a 'department' do you? You live in your moms basemen,t don't you? You haven't seen the sky in four years,have you? You are glad you don't live in Virginia,aren't you? . You make a living stealing bandwidth , don't you? . Your disposable.
'pears a lot of spammers are in the crowd meta-modding up the posts that are favorable to their venue.
Why else is some of these getting a 4? Just how prevalent are spammeisters on slashdot? How much are they trying to control the attitude here?
I notice at this point most are choosing AC when they do so.
They see the battle. They know they are in for a fight. They have nothing better to do with their miserable useless life than beat upon innocent users with their ugly pink porcine slime.
I say stomp the dirty vermin out. What ever works -go for it.
is sorely needed so folks can gather around and develop a solution similiar to the Lycos pardigm.
If someone knows of such a site would you please reply to this post with details?
Like others I am very interested in seeing the work(vigilantism though it be) continue since all other efforts --including the questionable 'security ' groups who are screaming FOUL.
They wish this type of activity to continue so their own 'rice bowl is not broken'. In other words they profit from the work of crackers,zombie artists and their ilk,so naturally if us peckerheads down here in the dirt were able to solve our problems they would be jobless!
Cry all you wish BBC but from the first get-go it was understood that the Internet was "SELF-POLICING".
Well thats just been played out in full view of the world and its finally the one venue that seems to be sucessful against the scrum who steals our bandwidth and forces us to spend endless time and effort deleting their spew and filth.
Back when this country was being created and developed one wonders how the pioneers managed to survive without an ER and all the wonderful medical 'industry'?
Shit. A buddy of mine fell over in the field(running a combine). He was youngish..about 33 and had a mild cardiac incident.
He spent one night in the hospital. He was billed $35,000.00 The man has no insurance and if he did it would have been full of deductables, co-pay s and all the rest.
Who can afford this type of treatment you propose? Only the dwindling few with insurance that is sufficient to not bankrupt them.
Even with my fairly decent BC/BS my wife last episode with a vaginal non-cancerous slight tumor cost me over $7,000 and that was just a one day out-patient surgery. I received bills for months and couldn't even see my dining room table for months due to the non-relenting showering cascade of bills.
Sometime the medical profession is just full of greedy businessmen who are just as bad as the greedy CEOs and Execs who are taking this country slowly apart into a living nightmarish hell.
Doc why don't you get a fscking clue!!!!
You ARE the PROBLEM and the DISEASE.
Clue here: IF it wasn't a business how come I see so many ads for all the bullshit latest medical pill(when I do happen to pass the onerous TV)?
The Vigara ads are enough to sicken one. All the rest are just business as usual. Take this , take that, try this blue pill, then try that green one.
They really don't know what you have but are quite willing to take every penny you have as they fruitlessly 'practice' medicine.
I am 66 yrs old. I have never been to a hospital except for minor cuts. I do not take any prescribed medications. I have checkups on occassion with a 125/70 BP , 65 heart rate and other good vital signs.
I pay very close attention to my body. I do not trust the medical industry(not a profession).
When I become ill enough to not find a simple solution then I will die. I can not now afford to pay the attendant medical costs for anything beyond a medium illiness.
I am retired from a Fortune 100 corporation as a once programmer. My benefits are worthless.
I will enjoy what remains and the devil take the hindmost.
Slackware was the very first Linux distro I installed, using Pats book with the attendant cd/diskette. This was way way back.
I wish him the best. My brother died last year. The medical industry basically did him in. My wifes uncles was allowed to perish due to the same problems experienced by Pat.
His right lung adhered to his chest cavity. When they operated for a small spot on the xray they discovered this condition. He went downhill from there. He received the worst care and treatment I have ever observed in my life. (How did I observe this? My wife has had 8 major operations and takes massive loads of prescribed medications. She is much younger than I.
In the past I have had to have her roommate restrained from attempting to set her bed on fire. I have had to check her out of hospitals where the case was at the criminal level.
Summary: Eat right, live right, and the rest of the Scout Oath. Listen to your body. It will tell you what is right and wrong.
Oh yes, I do go into my woods and harvest wild ginseng. I do always drink appropiate amounts of alcohol. I never watch TV. I don't belong to organized religion and I NEVER listen to Rap or Hip-Hop.
NOTE: A lot of this is TIC(tongue in cheek) but a lot is also true.
Kudos Pat. Live long and prosper. I will offer a prayer to GAOTU.
it is purely and simply a BUSINESS. That is what it has become. Living and dying now means you MUST interface with the MEDICAL INDUSTRY.
Treat it as such and you may find reasonable care or assistance.
No physician actually HEALS. The body does that if presented with the correct assistance. The physician of today fails miserably in the ART of medicine but suceeds very very well in the BUSINESS of medicine.
It is probably the most profitable and well heeled of any business extant in the USA today. Merely take a look at their palatial estates and investments to ascertain some of the above.
I have purchased various RH releases three times in the past. Each time I found the same problems.
Lousy bug database. Lousy support. Problems reported keep getting dupped out. Unless you pay the bug db doesn't work very well for you. It works but reallllly slow and doesn't show the hits very well.
Their servers are not usuable to download with , again unless you pay.
I just bought the product but the bad service turned me off. The lack of resolutions to failures I was having didn't help either.
I thought they would do better but they forgot their beginnings in the name of greed.
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Top Ten Other Achievements Claimed By Al Gore
10. Was first human to grow an opposable thumb
9. Only man in world to sleep with someone named "Tipper"
8. Current Vice President - Moesha fan club
7. He invented the dog
6. While riding bicycle one day, accidentally invented the orgasm
5. Pulled U.S. out of early 90's recession by personally buying 6,000 T-shirts
4. Starred in CBS situation comedy with Juan Valdez, "Juan for Al, Al for Juan"
3. Was inspiration for Ozzy Osboune song "Crazy Train"
2. Came up with popular catchphrase "Don't go there, girlfriend"
1. Gave mankind fire
"that he took a lead role in the creation of the Internet -- which he did,"
.....
Well one notes that Gore constantly re-invents himself daily if not overnite, during dream-walkabouts,during the middle of a debate, whenever he smokes a joint, after lunch,
So why couldn't he have invented the net then?
'So always remember the union label'....yar yar
Why do you guys keep trying to make this lame comparision?
I can keep spyware and virii out by virtue of a well tuned firewall. I can't keep spam from hitting my mailbox.
Yes idiots do allow their machines to be infected and if they were capable of the slightest intelligence they would run firewalls and the problems with those two would be solved.
Still spam will keep on coming.
Spam is UCE. Simple. It takes bandwidth. Yes the others do........aw hell with it...you just don't get it!!!!!
Look next for the 'propeller heads' to be showing up on CNBC,CBS,NBC et. al. as 'security expert consultants'.
Then back to their caves in the hills above DC until the next brouhaha.
Regarding vigilantism.
How would you then label Todd Beamer who took upon himself and with the help of others, performed a bit of vigilantism on Sept 11 of the year 2001?
Did you say Hero? I agree and also he took the law into his own hands. Does that fit the above posters description of vigilantism?
Most of the Constitution as far as I read it has to do with the reality of property and the ability to defend same. Isn't that the difference between us and the communists? Or say N. Korea where they are apparently still eating the bark off the trees for food.
In some states the use of deadly force to protect property still exists. Not usually a Blue state though.
Bullshit. Spam has little to do with the OS your using.
Filters are not the answer.
Your background? EE...why always an EE jumping ship to CS?
My background? 30 yrs an IBM Staff Programmer.
Worked also in Research. System Programmer on VM/MVS . Mainframes reaching back to the 360 era. Consultant afterwards. Write desktop apps using Office XP Developer suite. Created 911 systems.Country Sheriff tax systems. and so on and so on. Was instrumental in work with IBM early PCs. Was on site when it was announced. Built apps both at work and off work for the last 30 years.
Once active in Ham packet area. Responsible for mulititudes of IBM internal networking systems and that was way way before there was an internet.
Spyware and Virii are NOT SPAM.
ISPs are not WebHosters(they may do a bit).
You got all this massively confused and are striking out blindly hoping to hit something I guess.
Any idiot can put up a firewall and prevent being zombied. That still doesn't stop SPAM. Clear? Crystal clear?
"We shouldn't fight fire with fire"?????
Try telling that to the jarheads(Marines) who are actively killing those who preyed upon and dealt death to our citizens.
Fire can kill fire. It can also kill terrorist Islamics.
An extremely well written and thought out piece of advocacy. Silent hand clapping. Flowers being thrown. A tad of jealousy also.
All those who are tired of the endless games and the wasted time spent combing thru your 'filtered' email, checking to see if the deletes may have what you missed and desperately need, constantly rebuilding and resetting your rules and filters.....all those who are sick of the endless games need to become far far more vocal in order to effectively rid the planet of these vermin and carrion.
You really don't understand much about this area do you?
Your confusing desktop architecture somehow with
SMTP and network topologgy along with most of the other aspects of modern computing and laying it at MSFT's doorstep.
I don't care for MSFT but you need to go read some
of the 'DUMMY' series of books. Start with
'Knowledge for Dummies' and work up from there.
Then drop msft and windows. Go to Linux. You will still get spammed. If the whole world stopped using Windows it still wouldn't matter. There will be spammers until they are slowly bleed out.
MSFT didn't create SMTP or any other email protocol ASAIK.
They did do many other things very very poorly. Like put out a sicko product like XP. You don't have to use it.
What have you been drinking?
I say nothing about banning 100,000 users. Unless all 100,000 were using the website for spamming activity. Meaning---buy you latest penis enhancer here or whatever the spam URL is. If its THEIR server then they should simply enforce the TOS.
Simple? Yes.
You seem to have email and websites mixed up.
Here is a clue. The spam points to a URL...OK?
You go then to the URL for whatever they are spamming you with...drugs,fake watches,cheap loans,whatever....GET IT????
They munge their email address and use open relays (and other methods) and all thats in the spam is pointing to the website.
Simple then.Ok you got it.
I think if an ISP has users(spammers) violating the TOS and stealing internet bandwidth then they should take action BUT they do zip. So we have to take action.
What the fsck do you see wrong with that or are you just putting up a smoke screen...thought so.
Disagree.
...
Lycos did a great service by simply opening the portal and starting a conflagration.
Now its in the hands of the geeks and coders. Something will come to the fore front. Someone will hack up another application or applet.
Its a battle that desperately needs to be fought and also won. I am of the opinion that it will happen.
THATS the 'good that will have come from Lycos's attempt'. To show the way. To take a stand.
'Fight fire with fire'? Tell that to the 3,000 death from 9/11 and let the ghosts of those dead tell the US Miliatary and the USMC to
'Lay down your arms...your fighting FIRE WITH FIRE'
about this tactic.
/. about how those offended are fighting back surely you have the time to analyze your own servers. Especially when they did come under attack via the screen saver.
One wonders just why?
Surely most Hosting sites have a TOS which forbids sure nefarious activity. Surely then THEY are turning a blind eye to this activity but when it affects their performance they bitch to the ones who are getting revenge instead of simply cleaning up their users and abusers.
Then how many are really IN BED with the spammers?
How many would rather count their money that count the abuser on their servers who violate criminal laws and their TOS?
We are the bad guys? Gimme a break then and just shut yo piehole until YOU clean it up yourself.
They (spammers) shouldn't be that hard to find on your servers. If you can devote the time to whining on
What did the admins then say when they seen the 'hits'? Oh hhhh we must stop that knavish Lycos and the one's using it. They are the real enemy.
Pure twaddle.
YOu must be in the same camp that sez that firearms pull their own triggers.
Consider that autos can kill (various methods,defects,maniac at the wheel..etc) yet do we stop producing automobiles??? Or nuclear fission plants,or drugs , or drain clearners or a zillon other products that CAUSE US TO TAKE ON RESPONSIBILITY???
Your just asking for more ligitation and less human common sense.
and I wouldn't be suprised that many nerds and geeks will say to themselves:
"Gee maybe I need to do some business with Lycos, since they are compatiable with my goals and took a shot when others did the cowards trick and stayed at home."
You really don't 'work' in a 'department' do you? You live in your moms basemen,t don't you? You haven't seen the sky in four years
.
You make a living stealing bandwidth , don't you?
.
Your disposable.
'pears a lot of spammers are in the crowd meta-modding up the posts that are favorable to their venue.
Why else is some of these getting a 4? Just how prevalent are spammeisters on slashdot? How much are they trying to control the attitude here?
I notice at this point most are choosing AC when they do so.
They see the battle. They know they are in for a fight. They have nothing better to do with their miserable useless life than beat upon innocent users with their ugly pink porcine slime.
I say stomp the dirty vermin out. What ever works -go for it.
is sorely needed so folks can gather around and develop a solution similiar to the Lycos pardigm.
,so naturally if us peckerheads down here in the dirt were able to solve our problems they would be jobless!
If someone knows of such a site would you please reply to this post with details?
Like others I am very interested in seeing the work(vigilantism though it be) continue since all other efforts --including the questionable 'security ' groups who are screaming FOUL.
They wish this type of activity to continue so their own 'rice bowl is not broken'. In other words they profit from the work of crackers,zombie artists and their ilk
And of course all the blow-dried bimbos and the suits on major media news are 'high quality'!!
Sure........
Repeating for the umptheenth time about some latest Peterson or M. Jackson bullshit or what some jerk legal beagle has to say on it.
Most news from that venue is NOT news. Its called control of the masses by the media.
that HE will not be allowed internet access since he has proven to not take SECURITY seriously.
...
After all he is quitting and one wonders why.
Lets seeee.... He fscked up on 9/11 . He gave the Pres incorrect info on WMDs in Iraq and
Now states publicly that the Iraq war is WRONG.
I say again...He does not take Security seriously.
Why then should anyone listen to him?
Back to the basement SpamBoy.
Mom really said" Do the right thing." I take it spamming the devil out of innocent netizens is NOT doing the Right Thing.
Give up the cold pizza,flat cokes and go try to make a 'real living' , is my message to the whiners and basement racketeers.
Cry all you wish BBC but from the first get-go it was understood that the Internet was "SELF-POLICING".
Well thats just been played out in full view of the world and its finally the one venue that seems to be sucessful against the scrum who steals our bandwidth and forces us to spend endless time and effort deleting their spew and filth.
Score one for the white hats!
This is really lame.
Back when this country was being created and developed one wonders how the pioneers managed to survive without an ER and all the wonderful medical 'industry'?
Shit. A buddy of mine fell over in the field(running a combine). He was youngish..about 33 and had a mild
cardiac incident.
He spent one night in the hospital. He was billed
$35,000.00 The man has no insurance and if he did it would have been full of deductables, co-pay s and all the rest.
Who can afford this type of treatment you propose? Only the dwindling few with insurance that is sufficient to not bankrupt them.
Even with my fairly decent BC/BS my wife last episode with a vaginal non-cancerous slight tumor cost me over $7,000 and that was just a one day out-patient surgery. I received bills for months and couldn't even see my dining room table for months due to the non-relenting showering cascade of bills.
Sometime the medical profession is just full of greedy businessmen who are just as bad as the greedy CEOs and Execs who are taking this country slowly apart into a living nightmarish hell.
Doc why don't you get a fscking clue!!!!
You ARE the PROBLEM and the DISEASE.
Clue here: IF it wasn't a business how come I see so many ads for all the bullshit latest medical pill(when I do happen to pass the onerous TV)?
The Vigara ads are enough to sicken one. All the rest are just business as usual. Take this , take that, try this blue pill, then try that green one.
They really don't know what you have but are quite willing to take every penny you have as they fruitlessly 'practice' medicine.
I am 66 yrs old. I have never been to a hospital
except for minor cuts. I do not take any prescribed
medications. I have checkups on occassion with a 125/70 BP , 65 heart rate and other good vital signs.
I pay very close attention to my body. I do not trust the medical industry(not a profession).
When I become ill enough to not find a simple solution then I will die. I can not now afford to pay the attendant medical costs for anything beyond a medium illiness.
I am retired from a Fortune 100 corporation as a once programmer. My benefits are worthless.
I will enjoy what remains and the devil take the hindmost.
Slackware was the very first Linux distro I installed, using Pats book with the attendant cd/diskette. This was way way back.
I wish him the best. My brother died last year. The medical industry basically did him in. My wifes uncles was allowed to perish due to the same problems experienced by Pat.
His right lung adhered to his chest cavity. When they operated for a small spot on the xray they discovered this condition. He went downhill from there. He received the worst care and treatment I have ever observed in my life. (How did I observe this? My wife has had 8 major operations and takes massive loads of prescribed medications. She is much younger than I.
In the past I have had to have her roommate restrained from attempting to set her bed on fire. I have had to check her out of hospitals where the case was at the criminal level.
Summary: Eat right, live right, and the rest of the Scout Oath. Listen to your body. It will tell you what is right and wrong.
Oh yes, I do go into my woods and harvest wild ginseng. I do always drink appropiate amounts of alcohol. I never watch TV. I don't belong to organized religion and I NEVER listen to Rap or Hip-Hop.
NOTE: A lot of this is TIC(tongue in cheek) but a lot is also true.
Kudos Pat. Live long and prosper. I will offer a prayer to GAOTU.
it is purely and simply a BUSINESS. That is what it has become. Living and dying now means you MUST interface with the MEDICAL INDUSTRY.
Treat it as such and you may find reasonable care or assistance.
No physician actually HEALS. The body does that if presented with the correct assistance. The physician of today fails miserably in the ART of medicine but suceeds very very well in the BUSINESS of medicine.
It is probably the most profitable and well heeled of any business extant in the USA today. Merely take a look at their palatial estates and investments to ascertain some of the above.
I have purchased various RH releases three times in the past. Each time I found the same problems.
Lousy bug database. Lousy support. Problems reported keep getting dupped out. Unless you pay the bug db doesn't work very well for you. It works but reallllly slow and doesn't show the hits very well.
Their servers are not usuable to download with , again unless you pay.
I just bought the product but the bad service turned me off. The lack of resolutions to failures I was having didn't help either.
I thought they would do better but they forgot their beginnings in the name of greed.