So you think that because some people are not interested in looking at what to buy before making a decision (which is a very dumb practice:P) that MS should bundle more software? I see that as the essential point of what you are saying and I must say I disagree - let dumb people get arsed if they want.
That MS gets more money from dumb users is just good fortune for MS - I personally don't have a big problem with MS making money on what they do - I have a problem with the unfair practices and how their anti-competitive software design processes makes my life more troublesome.
So basically I want it fixed via these rulings - and I definitely believe the Jackson ruling should've been upheld since that would have brought us much closer to an actual solution.
To make the point clear - Win98SE could be cut to fill only 50mb - if I remember corretly the default install was something about 200mb - guess what Win2K or XP could be cut down to?
I personally see no special problem in an OS coming without a browser, without a mediaplayer, mail reader etc.
I personally think all these items atleast should not be installed by default, but installed if the user opts to do so during the installation.
They could also do it the way SuSE does: Default, Default with office, Custom, Minimal. There you go.
If they'd done that instead of making it part of the OS from 98 onwards, and allowed OEM/VAR's to install other mail, browser and media app's then this wouldn't have become a problem. But they choose to leverage their monopoly instead of competing - probably because they knew their products weren't the best (well it is true that IE 5 was the best browser around when it surfaced - it didn't take long for it to loose it's throne though, and it never did take it back).
I don't see why anyone can defend the status quo since it does harm competition, it does stiffle innovation and it does hurt us, the users/consumers.
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Well French wine is generally more expensive then similar quality wine from other countries - Argentina, Chile and Spain makes good wine as well and often a 3 euro Argentina wine will kick any French 3 euro wine's ass in quality.
Of course own produced wine is cheaper in the country of origin - I'm pretty sure you could be saying the same about going to argentina and drinking their wine in argentina so it's a relatively moot point that if you go to X country X country's wine will be cheaper and better.
If it's online, wouldn't java webstart do the trick?:D
Anyway another obvious way is for the server to push updates to the client when the admin approves it (like Domino/notes does).
Or have a central ressource and the client checks for updates (like Azureus).
Basically the best way is making it easy on bandwith, for admins and for users - the domino/notes approach does this (set up on server, approve, client gets notify to update - a few tricks are pushed to the client, client restarts and voila new version).
Anyway, the 'thing' you are building will dictate what kind of system you should use. Just don't expect a corporate admin to go around 200 machines on foot because you made some kind of lame updater which only works with admin privs, because they simply wont, instead they'll push for "the better version from company Y".
MS didn't want to take part in Java because "they weren't allowed to innovate" - in other words tie lock-ins to their own OS so that software for java made with MS software wouldn't work with any other OS.
Now they have.NET and are free to 'innovate'. Somehow I prefer the SUN version.
If you only tried MS DOS you might think that was the pinnacle of OS development (lucky for us, it isn't).
VGA isn't very good - a lot of things a being done to mitigate it, and the technology is very mature so that helps - but of course better stuff will be developed. And DVI is definitely one such thing.
This is like saying "oh, my old tv from the 80'es is just as good as your brand spanking new flatscreen HDTV" - it just doesn't compare.
I just tried out my Mozilla on the NT bugtraq site and it asked if I wanted to download instead tho - it did think it was html tho - so guess you are right:)
Indeed - the problem isn't with the character being stored on the server (which i definitely think is a good thing). The point is that battle.net performance decides whether the game runs well - not you, or you co-players connection.
In SC the people who where playings connection was the deciding factor.
well true, D2 depends alot on servers - but I'm just thinking WoW will do so even more:)
Why in the world Blizzard decided to make D2 so serverdependent is beyond me though. SC is very serverindependent and the same could relatively easily be done for D2.
Probably something about them selling through af french company:P
That is highly unlikely - SCO, as well as the other distro's in UL, signed an agreement to give the proprietary parts of their distro's to UL.
So everything on cd 1 of UL SCO shouldn't be able to touch.
Of course everything besides cd 1 is not the same in the UL distro's and thus they might try to attack that - though I highly doubt it. And besides, as far as I understand UL is basically SuSE (and thus obviously uses YaST:P).
So in short, I don't seeing SCO do anything to UL unless they manage to do it for all distro's (and thus also for RH).
Or they found that it was considerably easier to optimize for ATI cards, that it ran better on those and therefore decided to cross-promote with them instead of nV who was very willing to do so?
Being Republicans, they prefer a closed government with LOTS of secrecy. Thus, they prefer to screw those citizens that have the audacity to criticize, or have any expectation of having actual input in how THEIR government is run.
WOW - that is probably the most biased unrelated comment I ever saw.
Good thing I don't live in the states then I guess.
You are surely not comparing collaboration software with an office suite? Compare Lotus Smartsuite and OOo if you want.
Compare Outlook/Exchange, Ximian/qmail and Lotus Notes/Domino - and surely Lotus Notes/Domino comes out on top on a number of areas just like the others come out on top in other areas.
They where saying they moved their app's from Lotus Notes to the web? You know what? That means they are using the webserving of Domino and using webinterfaces to talk to the notes databases on their servers. It doesn't mean they changed platform, nor that Lotus is going out of business anytime soon.
It is true that Go is often times mistaken for a Japaneese game.
It is also likely that it wouldn't have proliferated as far into the west as it have today if it wasn't for the Japaneese interest in the game.
The game is between 2000 and 4000 years old and stems from China. The first written sources on the games history stem from about 500 bc wherein among others Konfutse wrote about the game.
Konfutse did not believe the game helped anything, whereas the Taoists believed that it was a means to contemplation and selfunderstanding.
In the T'ang dynasty (618-906) the game is recognized as something which should belong to common knowledge.
About the year 700 the game comes to Japan. Where it later would be deemed as part of necessary training for samurais. Thru Go, they thought, warriors could practice tactical and strategic training which could be used in real life battles.
On a more domestic (for me) note, the first Go club in Denmark was established in 1970:)
Having not read the law - just for clarification: Whats wrong in mandating that Mature rated games get setup in higher places and that a sign explaining the rating system get setup?
As I see it, this should have been done by games stores long ago.
Doing more then that and I completely agree that government would be interfering too much - but mandating higher shelves and that a sign gets setup is fine by me.
Thats pretty much like the warnings you read on tobacco.
lucky for me I haven't needed any support for my Dell servers yet I guess. They where only bought because at buying time they where the cheapest around - definitely the worst buy I ever did tho.
Sounds like you guys could use a service company and cut back on service contracts from vendors though - the downtime Dell cost you by now most likely is worth the extra premium you would have to pay a proper service company.
Anyway, I see that hardware vendors are increasingly using run-of-the mill components and adding their extra services as support and software. IBM's Tivoli is a great example (and definitely the best kind of free (as in extra with your servers) management software I've seen.
Anyway I was just relating to my experience which has been both in consumer segment and as working in the it department of a major hospital - currently I'm running for a smaller company (11/2 IT staff in all) so I have tried corporate and home user support and some server support and in all segments I can honestly say the only company I've so far been completely satisfied with is IBM - however Toshiba and Siemens have been quite good too (Toshiba I've only needed for home use tho, so they don't really count).
They all had different niches. And they where all used for much more then their percieved niches.
I mean I've seen customer databases on C64 with over 10.000 people in it along with all their purchases (consider the amount of 5 1/4" floppies this took:P).
What killed commodore was actually bad accounting and blatant misuse of company funds. To top that of commodore management did a lot of bad management decisions.
Despite that the Amiga was used for a lot of graphics stuff - among other reasons since you could easily translate their output to something viewable on pal or ntsc tv's. Atari's on the other hand where used alot for sequencing and other types of music making.
This was mostly since Atari decided to build-in a midi-interface (which was actually a lousy midi-interface compared to what you got for, what probably was, 30$ for an Amiga and likely any other computer).
The Mac got it's inroads in the education segment (likely because of first-to-market and the fact that it wasn't perceived as a games computer). And later in the graphics artist segment (which probably is the segment that really kept them alive).
I'm also pretty sure that commodore definitely had the largest home computer share in europe in the 80's. The US is definitely another matter.
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Lots of stuff was better then Win 3.0
So you think that because some people are not interested in looking at what to buy before making a decision (which is a very dumb practice :P) that MS should bundle more software? I see that as the essential point of what you are saying and I must say I disagree - let dumb people get arsed if they want.
That MS gets more money from dumb users is just good fortune for MS - I personally don't have a big problem with MS making money on what they do - I have a problem with the unfair practices and how their anti-competitive software design processes makes my life more troublesome.
So basically I want it fixed via these rulings - and I definitely believe the Jackson ruling should've been upheld since that would have brought us much closer to an actual solution.
To make the point clear - Win98SE could be cut to fill only 50mb - if I remember corretly the default install was something about 200mb - guess what Win2K or XP could be cut down to?
It's the good old opt-in vs opt-out argument.
I personally see no special problem in an OS coming without a browser, without a mediaplayer, mail reader etc.
I personally think all these items atleast should not be installed by default, but installed if the user opts to do so during the installation.
They could also do it the way SuSE does: Default, Default with office, Custom, Minimal. There you go.
If they'd done that instead of making it part of the OS from 98 onwards, and allowed OEM/VAR's to install other mail, browser and media app's then this wouldn't have become a problem. But they choose to leverage their monopoly instead of competing - probably because they knew their products weren't the best (well it is true that IE 5 was the best browser around when it surfaced - it didn't take long for it to loose it's throne though, and it never did take it back).
I don't see why anyone can defend the status quo since it does harm competition, it does stiffle innovation and it does hurt us, the users/consumers.
wow, thats a great comparison - how about this one:
Driver in vehicle A is allowed to go 130km/t, vehicle B is only allowed to go 50km/t.
Of course we are forgetting to state that vehicle A is on the highway and vehicle B is in the city zone.......
There's only one thing to say: :)
Long lilve UAE
Well French wine is generally more expensive then similar quality wine from other countries - Argentina, Chile and Spain makes good wine as well and often a 3 euro Argentina wine will kick any French 3 euro wine's ass in quality.
Of course own produced wine is cheaper in the country of origin - I'm pretty sure you could be saying the same about going to argentina and drinking their wine in argentina so it's a relatively moot point that if you go to X country X country's wine will be cheaper and better.
Atleast compare on similar terms.
If it's online, wouldn't java webstart do the trick? :D
Anyway another obvious way is for the server to push updates to the client when the admin approves it (like Domino/notes does).
Or have a central ressource and the client checks for updates (like Azureus).
Basically the best way is making it easy on bandwith, for admins and for users - the domino/notes approach does this (set up on server, approve, client gets notify to update - a few tricks are pushed to the client, client restarts and voila new version).
Anyway, the 'thing' you are building will dictate what kind of system you should use. Just don't expect a corporate admin to go around 200 machines on foot because you made some kind of lame updater which only works with admin privs, because they simply wont, instead they'll push for "the better version from company Y".
Surely it means that one words ones message according to whom you are speaking to.
So SUN could say to shareholders "we are friends of open source".
And tell OSS people "we'd like to help you with this and this".
And what do you know? That's what they've been doing for a while now.
MS didn't want to take part in Java because "they weren't allowed to innovate" - in other words tie lock-ins to their own OS so that software for java made with MS software wouldn't work with any other OS.
.NET and are free to 'innovate'. Somehow I prefer the SUN version.
Now they have
If you only tried MS DOS you might think that was the pinnacle of OS development (lucky for us, it isn't).
:)
VGA isn't very good - a lot of things a being done to mitigate it, and the technology is very mature so that helps - but of course better stuff will be developed. And DVI is definitely one such thing.
This is like saying "oh, my old tv from the 80'es is just as good as your brand spanking new flatscreen HDTV" - it just doesn't compare.
But granted - for most things, VGA does the job
Thinking is always the best approach :)
:)
I just tried out my Mozilla on the NT bugtraq site and it asked if I wanted to download instead tho - it did think it was html tho - so guess you are right
Indeed - the problem isn't with the character being stored on the server (which i definitely think is a good thing). The point is that battle.net performance decides whether the game runs well - not you, or you co-players connection.
In SC the people who where playings connection was the deciding factor.
well true, D2 depends alot on servers - but I'm just thinking WoW will do so even more :)
:P
Why in the world Blizzard decided to make D2 so serverdependent is beyond me though. SC is very serverindependent and the same could relatively easily be done for D2.
Probably something about them selling through af french company
Why doesn't this surprise me :/
Just like in Diablo II and any other closed beta Blizzard has done.
Hopefully they will have an EU server up at launch time this time of tho, unlike D2.
not completely correct.
You don't need to reboot in order to keep the machine up - but often you need to reboot in order to init the new dll's etc.
So in other words, today you can install alot of updates which are then ready the next time you reboot.
Though granted, there are some who take effect immediately - tho no-one but MS knows how many that is.
That is highly unlikely - SCO, as well as the other distro's in UL, signed an agreement to give the proprietary parts of their distro's to UL.
:P).
So everything on cd 1 of UL SCO shouldn't be able to touch.
Of course everything besides cd 1 is not the same in the UL distro's and thus they might try to attack that - though I highly doubt it. And besides, as far as I understand UL is basically SuSE (and thus obviously uses YaST
So in short, I don't seeing SCO do anything to UL unless they manage to do it for all distro's (and thus also for RH).
Or they found that it was considerably easier to optimize for ATI cards, that it ran better on those and therefore decided to cross-promote with them instead of nV who was very willing to do so?
WOW - that is probably the most biased unrelated comment I ever saw.
Good thing I don't live in the states then I guess.
You are surely not comparing collaboration software with an office suite? Compare Lotus Smartsuite and OOo if you want.
Compare Outlook/Exchange, Ximian/qmail and Lotus Notes/Domino - and surely Lotus Notes/Domino comes out on top on a number of areas just like the others come out on top in other areas.
They where saying they moved their app's from Lotus Notes to the web? You know what? That means they are using the webserving of Domino and using webinterfaces to talk to the notes databases on their servers. It doesn't mean they changed platform, nor that Lotus is going out of business anytime soon.
It is true that Go is often times mistaken for a Japaneese game.
:)
It is also likely that it wouldn't have proliferated as far into the west as it have today if it wasn't for the Japaneese interest in the game.
The game is between 2000 and 4000 years old and stems from China. The first written sources on the games history stem from about 500 bc wherein among others Konfutse wrote about the game.
Konfutse did not believe the game helped anything, whereas the Taoists believed that it was a means to contemplation and selfunderstanding.
In the T'ang dynasty (618-906) the game is recognized as something which should belong to common knowledge.
About the year 700 the game comes to Japan. Where it later would be deemed as part of necessary training for samurais. Thru Go, they thought, warriors could practice tactical and strategic training which could be used in real life battles.
On a more domestic (for me) note, the first Go club in Denmark was established in 1970
you can download his games as SGF files and view them from the KGS archives if you want :)
Interesting to see a news about this actually.
:)
Saw one of his games in june - didn't quite get the fuss then since I was a beginner, but I definitely get it today
Deep accurate reading seems easy for this guy.
Having not read the law - just for clarification: Whats wrong in mandating that Mature rated games get setup in higher places and that a sign explaining the rating system get setup?
As I see it, this should have been done by games stores long ago.
Doing more then that and I completely agree that government would be interfering too much - but mandating higher shelves and that a sign gets setup is fine by me.
Thats pretty much like the warnings you read on tobacco.
lucky for me I haven't needed any support for my Dell servers yet I guess.
They where only bought because at buying time they where the cheapest around - definitely the worst buy I ever did tho.
Sounds like you guys could use a service company and cut back on service contracts from vendors though - the downtime Dell cost you by now most likely is worth the extra premium you would have to pay a proper service company.
Anyway, I see that hardware vendors are increasingly using run-of-the mill components and adding their extra services as support and software. IBM's Tivoli is a great example (and definitely the best kind of free (as in extra with your servers) management software I've seen.
Anyway I was just relating to my experience which has been both in consumer segment and as working in the it department of a major hospital - currently I'm running for a smaller company (11/2 IT staff in all) so I have tried corporate and home user support and some server support and in all segments I can honestly say the only company I've so far been completely satisfied with is IBM - however Toshiba and Siemens have been quite good too (Toshiba I've only needed for home use tho, so they don't really count).
They all had different niches. And they where all used for much more then their percieved niches.
:P).
I mean I've seen customer databases on C64 with over 10.000 people in it along with all their purchases (consider the amount of 5 1/4" floppies this took
What killed commodore was actually bad accounting and blatant misuse of company funds. To top that of commodore management did a lot of bad management decisions.
Despite that the Amiga was used for a lot of graphics stuff - among other reasons since you could easily translate their output to something viewable on pal or ntsc tv's. Atari's on the other hand where used alot for sequencing and other types of music making.
This was mostly since Atari decided to build-in a midi-interface (which was actually a lousy midi-interface compared to what you got for, what probably was, 30$ for an Amiga and likely any other computer).
The Mac got it's inroads in the education segment (likely because of first-to-market and the fact that it wasn't perceived as a games computer). And later in the graphics artist segment (which probably is the segment that really kept them alive).
I'm also pretty sure that commodore definitely had the largest home computer share in europe in the 80's. The US is definitely another matter.