Captive Audience? we have 5 analogue channels, dozens of freeview digital channels (including several distinct BBC channels) and hundreds of cable / satellite channels - we don't just have the one channel.. oh, and yeah, our tv's have this cool feature where you can like... make the sound and picture go away.. it's really cool man, it's called like an "Off" button or somethin? yeah...
No, they're keeping the theme music - and the dematerializing/materializing noise.
I heard a radio interview on BBC Radio 2 (Steve Wright Show) this last Tuesday afternoon with the guy who plays the new doctor WHo and he stated that, along with a lot of other stuff. Was a cool interview, catch it in the BBC Radio archives... about halfway thru the show
Reply to self: I was wrong it seems! The official chip and pin site http://www.chipandpin.co.uk/consumer/2005/index.ht ml says you CAN use a signature.
I will be visiting the store that refused my sig...
Actually, if you have a valid chip and pin card in the UK, stores can legally refuse to accept a signature. If you don;t lnow the pin, you have to pay by another method (cash or cheque) This has happened to me. I beleive it happens in other European countries too (e.g. France?)
>>But you do have control: you decide whether or not to answer a call
Not always. The caller can withold their number either through choice or because they are coming from behind a PABX that doesn't support CLID or where company policy is to supress CLID (which is most of them in the UK)
I cannot for example distinguish between an important call from work (number witheld) or telemarketer (number witheld) - I obviously would want to take the 1st call but not the 2nd.
ummm yeah.... it makes more sense to pay for the part that you have total control over. I decided who and when I call. I can't control who calls me... that would just suck to have to pay for something you can't control - oh wait, I could switch the phone off, but then what would be the point of having the thing?
We don;t necessarily pay for every call, nost ppl purchase a plan where they get free local calls or whatever but you still pay a monthly fee for the privilege - so effectively you are still paying for your outgoing calls.
Dude, they make the PHONE they make the PC software FOR THAT SAME PHONE that is NOT third party!!! NOKIA software for a NOKIA phone.... how does that make it third party????
yea but you have to pay to RECEIVE a call, how fsked up is that? At least we in Europe do it properly, we pay to make a call just like we do for our landlines.
they don't really compete on proce here in the UK. Almost all phones are very heavily subsidised,indeed. many are free if you sign up for a 12 month contract. e.g. my Orange talk-150 plan costs me about 20 pounds a month, for which, I get a free, decent phone (Nokia 6610i) 150 minutes of calls a month at no charge, and 250 free texts a month. A helluva deal! even if you sign up for Pay as You Go, you can get a free, basic phone. So, no, they dont rea;;y compete on price at all.
I get 250 free texts a month on my Orange TAlk-150 plan (and 150 free minutes) I never use all 250 texts, that's over 8 a day! so for me, texting is "free" (disregarding the fact that I pay 15 quid for the plan - but I consider that to be the cost of the phone as I get a brand new "free" phone every 12 months as long as I sign up for another 12 month contract...)
Nokias do this, with Nokia's software suite. Activate the IR or Bluetooth on the mobile and as soon as it comes in tange opf my pc, a popup appears "Nolkia model xxx detetected - click here to open explorer window" or somesuch, anyway, it's all very easy.
Acctually, you are wrong. Been there done that. If the tv has a tuner it, you Have to havea license. I have PERSONAL experience of it. challenge it as much as you like, you WILL have to pay either the fee, or a 1,000 pound fine.
Computer == Television when Live Streaming Video becomes ubiquitous which is what they're worried about. Streaming Audio has already replaced radio recievers in our home. "They" are assuming that the norm will be that we will all get our broadcasts over our supafast gigabit broadband connection rather than a standalone tv. Remember, this is for 10 years in the future, who knows what the hell tech. we will have then...
They'll probably trak you via your isp... Ahh Mr Jones, We've noticed you watching streaming video from www.bbc.co.uk/video/ Please pay us a squillion quid....
Radio is fine, you don;t need a licesnse to listen to radio - so you're not depriving them of any money. Anyone in the UK who doesn't own a tv can own a radio and not pay the fee.
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You need this then.... http://tennis-sports.com/xcart/catalog/product_390 8_Tennis_Ball_Alarm_Clock.html designed to be thrown at the wall
11am == early?
You have a very strange definition of early!
And you need to see a doc.. it's unhealthy and VERY bad for you kidneys to go that long without pissin...
Captive Audience? we have 5 analogue channels, dozens of freeview digital channels (including several distinct BBC channels) and hundreds of cable / satellite channels - we don't just have the one channel.. oh, and yeah, our tv's have this cool feature where you can like... make the sound and picture go away.. it's really cool man, it's called like an "Off" button or somethin? yeah...
Captive audience my arse!
No, they're keeping the theme music - and the dematerializing/materializing noise.
I heard a radio interview on BBC Radio 2 (Steve Wright Show) this last Tuesday afternoon with the guy who plays the new doctor WHo and he stated that, along with a lot of other stuff. Was a cool interview, catch it in the BBC Radio archives... about halfway thru the show
Cave? CAVE? Luxury! we used to live in't hole in the ground!
nope, I do that all the time
Reply to self: I was wrong it seems! The official chip and pin site http://www.chipandpin.co.uk/consumer/2005/index.ht ml says you CAN use a signature.
I will be visiting the store that refused my sig...
Actually, if you have a valid chip and pin card in the UK, stores can legally refuse to accept a signature. If you don;t lnow the pin, you have to pay by another method (cash or cheque) This has happened to me. I beleive it happens in other European countries too (e.g. France?)
>>But you do have control: you decide whether or not to answer a call
Not always. The caller can withold their number either through choice or because they are coming from behind a PABX that doesn't support CLID or where company policy is to supress CLID (which is most of them in the UK)
I cannot for example distinguish between an important call from work (number witheld) or telemarketer (number witheld) - I obviously would want to take the 1st call but not the 2nd.
on my plan, it's free to pick up voice mail.
ummm yeah.... it makes more sense to pay for the part that you have total control over. I decided who and when I call. I can't control who calls me... that would just suck to have to pay for something you can't control - oh wait, I could switch the phone off, but then what would be the point of having the thing?
We don;t necessarily pay for every call, nost ppl purchase a plan where they get free local calls or whatever but you still pay a monthly fee for the privilege - so effectively you are still paying for your outgoing calls.
It's all relative.
Thje phone - Nokia - first party. The software - nokia - also first party.
We just had a different reference point.
Do you think Apple would make better software for the nokia phone than Nokia would?
Dude, they make the PHONE they make the PC software FOR THAT SAME PHONE that is NOT third party!!! NOKIA software for a NOKIA phone.... how does that make it third party????
Nokia phone, Nokia software - not third party at all.
Granted you score on the second point tho...
yea but you have to pay to RECEIVE a call, how fsked up is that? At least we in Europe do it properly, we pay to make a call just like we do for our landlines.
they don't really compete on proce here in the UK. Almost all phones are very heavily subsidised,indeed. many are free if you sign up for a 12 month contract. e.g. my Orange talk-150 plan costs me about 20 pounds a month, for which, I get a free, decent phone (Nokia 6610i) 150 minutes of calls a month at no charge, and 250 free texts a month. A helluva deal! even if you sign up for Pay as You Go, you can get a free, basic phone. So, no, they dont rea;;y compete on price at all.
I get 250 free texts a month on my Orange TAlk-150 plan (and 150 free minutes) I never use all 250 texts, that's over 8 a day! so for me, texting is "free" (disregarding the fact that I pay 15 quid for the plan - but I consider that to be the cost of the phone as I get a brand new "free" phone every 12 months as long as I sign up for another 12 month contract...)
What's wrong with a house alarm? It's pretty much the norm here in the uk, in fact if you don;t have one, your house insurance premiums are bumped up.
Nokias do this, with Nokia's software suite. Activate the IR or Bluetooth on the mobile and as soon as it comes in tange opf my pc, a popup appears "Nolkia model xxx detetected - click here to open explorer window" or somesuch, anyway, it's all very easy.
don't get it, what's great about his webcam? just a pic of a bored lookin guy. What am I missing?!
lol! so I guess "This Preamble is intended to describe, in plain English" didn't work for you then?
Acctually, you are wrong. Been there done that. If the tv has a tuner it, you Have to havea license. I have PERSONAL experience of it. challenge it as much as you like, you WILL have to pay either the fee, or a 1,000 pound fine.
"But thats what it takes to get it for free" Then I'd rather pay.
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"Do you consider British Idol "
No, but then that would be because it's shown on commercial tv (ITV1)
"There's also the mute button"
But I shouldn't have to scrabble around for the remote to adjust the volume every few minutes!
Computer == Television when Live Streaming Video becomes ubiquitous which is what they're worried about. Streaming Audio has already replaced radio recievers in our home. "They" are assuming that the norm will be that we will all get our broadcasts over our supafast gigabit broadband connection rather than a standalone tv. Remember, this is for 10 years in the future, who knows what the hell tech. we will have then...
They'll probably trak you via your isp... Ahh Mr Jones, We've noticed you watching streaming video from www.bbc.co.uk/video/ Please pay us a squillion quid....
Radio is fine, you don;t need a licesnse to listen to radio - so you're not depriving them of any money. Anyone in the UK who doesn't own a tv can own a radio and not pay the fee.