Anybody who has ever owned a motherboard with a VIA chipset knows that it is total crap. I have owned a lot of motherboards over the years, and the only motherboards that I ever had problems with had VIA chipsets. Thei are crap and their drivers are even worse. If you ever had the "pleasure" of installing their hyperion drivers you know what I am talking about. The worst of it all is that they never acknowledge that there are any problems.
There is nothing remarkable about the iPod, there are many better alternatives like Creative players which don't have any DRM, can play Divx and XDvix and have many more options. The iPod is basically overhyped and locks you into propriatory crap.
Well given that they are censoring free speech, it is given that they don't care one thing about privacy. They really should change their logo to "Don't be evil, except to be greedy"
Are you new here? Microsoft has been known to use hidden API in order to gain advantage writing it's own software. Just search for "windows undocumented api" on google.
I have many times sent an email with some document to a company or a government agency, and gotten the response back that I need to fax it instead. So I just take the same document and then use print to fax directly on my laptop, no fax machine needed. It's just amazing how "normal" people don't understand how fax is not more secure than email. The only possible advantage of using fax is that at least it can be tied to a physical phone number, however I seriously doubt people check the fax logs for the number the fax came from, do fax machines even keep logs or print out the originating fax number?
Well given that Google can be pressured by evil governments or evil companies into doing evil things, as history has shown. I think it is given that they will use this information for evil purposes, maybe they are planning to sell this information to insurance companies.
The reason for the brackets, is that it is truly a different input device. Instead of having a small input field where you have to scroll constantly for every text field, the text field itself grows so that you can always see all of the text on the document itself. HTML and the web is just a very bad implementation of what notes had 20 years ago.
To be fair, Outlook/Exchange isnt a Groupware platform anymore. SharePoint is, and you could do the same things that you mentioned, in SharePoint. Office+SharePoint+Exchange+Outlook+.Net is the MSFT story. And I cringe whenever I hear "groupware" or "collaborative" applications. Yes sir, we dont need no steenkin design, data model, modularity, unit tests, anything!
I highly doubt that Sharepoint is at the same level as Notes in terms of functionality. The declarative security model and data replication are one of the most amazing things in notes. You don't have to "program" in the security you just declare it and it just works everywhere.
A groupware platform is for groups; end-users, non-technical folks to collaborate on. When somebody decides to write a full-blown application on top of it, it's as useful as an Excel macro or Access application. Maybe useful at the start, but becomes a maintenance nightmare.
A groupware application is of course is no different from any other application you still need to design, test and have a data model although lotus notes data model isn't a relational one you still have to have some kind of data model even if it is only in your head.
Lotus Notes is a groupware platform, where you can build applications on top. What this means is that you can have data flow from two different applications and they can mix together in either application. The applications don't have to be specially programmed to interface with each other. Documents from one application can flow into the other one and be displayed in it's views.
Actually Lotus Notes is light years ahead of Outlook/Exchange, but of course that doesn't say much because Outlook isn't very good groupware to begin with. The thing that people don't realize is that Lotus Notes is a fantastic rapid application development product. I can make a groupware application in 30 minutes that would take 6 months to a year to do in Outlook/Exchange/.NET and it still would not have the features of the notes application, for example: Integrated search in every view, Integrated replication, Easy customization, Every application is also a web application, Integrated logging, Integrated access control down to a field level, Integrated Offline capabilites and so on.
I'll admit that the email client that comes with Lotus Notes is not very good, but that is not because Notes is not very good, it's just that the IBM developers that create the email client are not very good developers, it would be possible to have the email client look exactly like Outlook.
But since Notes comes with POP and IMAP support out of the box, you can always just use the email client of your choice.
Oh well. That's what patents are supposed to do. But you're trying to claim it will be imposible for OOo to compete if it CAN'T copy the ribbon? Funny,
because most here say the ribbon is crap. I guess you're saying its not though, but that the open source people can't innovate anything, only copy that
which was done before.
I personally find the ribbon to be crap but that's just me. However I would think one of the reason for OO is to provide an open source alternative for
Microsoft monopoly on word processing. Given that it could be necessary to have an option in OO to have an alternate ribbon UI for those wanting to migrate
from Office to OO. This option has now been permanently banned by Microsoft because they want to be a monoploy.
The ribbon isn't innovation it has been done many times before in other applications. Having software and UI patentable is just insane, computer methods can
always be mapped into doing something using just pen and paper, adding a computer into it doesn't make it innovative. Software is also just a mathematical
construct and you don't patent math. Just imagine how far we would be behind times if math was patentable.
Who are you to decide what is a waste of time for developers? MS needs to implement it because hollywood wants it. Simple as that. Now, do you have any
proof anyone was bribed?
Yes exactly because Hollywood needs it, what about the wishes of the users that buy the system? If the chinese government wanted Microsoft to implement
filters at the OS level to censor information then you would just be okay with that? Unfortunately the bribing can't be proven, but that doesn't you mean
you can't draw your own conclusions from the episode. Just the same way as O.J was not guilty everyone knows what actually happened.
What is really ironic about Hollywood today with all their DRM and DVD price fixing is that it all started with them breaking the law and refusing to pay patent royalties to Edison.
Perhaps then you shouldn't talk as if it were a company. You might also be interested to know that IBM and many other companies actually do put money into
Linux as well. But they also get lots of free help. So you think I'm an MS employee because I've been able to dismantle your argument completely? Hardly. I
use their stuff and earn a living developing software with MS technology. That's about the extent of my relationship with them.
So just because you use MS technology you are just okay with them taking away all your rights? What about the freedom to use YOUR computer the way you want
to? Remember they can cripple your computer anytime
they like either because they want to or because of simple bugs. It saddens me that you don't seem to have critical thinking just because you get paid.
Being a big company or a government doesn't mean you are always right. Was McCarthyism just okay because it was the government doing it? What about slavery?
You may say "well that was a long time ago" yes but that doesn't mean everything right now is just okay. In a 100 years people will say the same things
about some of the stuff now. For example terrorism is at the same level now as communism was once. If you want to mess up someones life and credibility you
just label them terrorists like you once labeled them communists and the government will react accordingly.
NASA can do it because for one they have to, lives depend on it. They also can do it because they have a larger budget and no real deadlines. Again, you
switch when I call you out on something; you go from wanting 100% bug free code to "almost bug free," whatever that means.
Windows is unfortunately used in many hospitals for critical stuff so a corruption bug could b
Huh? How does the ribbon do anything to open source competitors? Believe it or not, I actually find it useful as well! But I guess that's just luck, because somehow their patent is keeping down the poor open source developers.
Well Microsoft is in the progress of getting a patent on the ribbon (which is stupid because there is prior art) and you need a license from Microsoft to use the ribbon. Now the license is free which is good, however there are clauses in the contract that forbids it's use if you are developing software that competes in any way with Microsoft. This means that open source software like OpenOffice can't have any kind of UI which bears any resemblance to a ribbon.
Wow, two fallacies in as many sentences. First, why can't they fix this issue AND add DRM? Do you think it would result in a fix faster for every developer to focus on ONE problem? I sure as hell don't. More isn't always better. Second, you assume that the people "bribing" ISO members are even coders at all. If that happened, it sure as hell wasn't anyone with talent to fix the bug in the KB article.
Well because DRM is a waste of time for developers. It's impossible to protect content that you want still to be available for viewing by the same user that you are protecting it from, therefore the wasted time would have been better spent on other things. Yes the "bribing" was probably done by the marketing department, which unfortunately Microsoft seems to put more emphasis on than on actual development.
It doesn't need money because people give away their time on it for free. Anyone that wants to help can, vs. MS where you actually have to be an employee to contribute. Also, when did Linux become a company? Do you even really know what Linux is? I'm starting to wonder if you're some 12 year old kid spouting from his mom's basement.
I am talking about Linux in the general sense, I know it is not "a company". I am only mentioning what could be done, if you could hire professional outside developers to work on it full time. I'm am starting to wonder if you are a Microsoft employee or know someone who is.
Ahh, back to the false dilemma. You can focus 100% on bugs because 1) there are probably always bugs, but they may only affect 0.00001% of cases and 2) you can't possibly know about all bugs just by looking at the code, they have to be discovered. Again, you sound like a 12 year old; at the very least you're not a professional software developer.
Well actually I am a professional software developer and have been in the business for the last 15 years, so I am far from being a 12 year old:)
You can have almost bug free code, NASA can do it, of course it means you have to have a very tight software development and must spent a lot of time and money on testing and not waste time with useless stuff.
You have to realise this is not some third party application we are talking about, this is the core OS which is used by millions of people every day, crashes and corruption bugs should be priority number one.
OK I think this thread here is getting a little out of control:)
I think we can agree on that at least the fix is available and it is in testing which is good:)
There's no list because MS can't possibly know what programs do or don't setup the scenario. From a user's perspective, it doesn't seem like this is a huge deal, because you'd think that it would be all over, but it's not.
We don't know if it is a huge deal or not how often do you check all your files for corruption?
I have sometimes had my windows core files just corrupt for no reason, how am I supposed to know if this
was the reason or not?
No, they don't have unlimited amounts of money, and you don't know what their other expendatures are.
Well we do know that they had at least $14 billion in profit this year.
If that isn't a shitload of money then I don't know what is
and...uhm...maybe they could use their profits..I don't know...to actually make their products better?
Personally I like the eye candy and the ribbon in 2007. The ribbon I find especially useful.
You do realise the only reason for the ribbon interface change in 2007 is to keep a patent
stranglehold on open source competitors? Ease of use had nothing to do with it.
That said, if you actually read the KB article, you'll see there's a hotfix available. I would say it's fixed and the fix is undergoing testing.
Yes the fix has been in testing for at least 4 months. I am glad they didn't waste their time
adding DRM to Vista, bribing ISO members or anything like that.
If Linux can't be almost 100% bug free, why do you expect MS to be able to, especially with all the free (although of questionable quality) labor that Linux gets? That just seems unrealistic.
Uhm maybe the reason could be that Linux doesn't have shitload of money?
If Linux could hire developers to do units tests and quality assurance for that money.
I can guarantie that it would be almost 100% bug free.
It isn't even about the money it is about priorities. Do you but priority on fixing bugs and making
your product actually better than the competitor, or do you focus on useless and obtrusive things like DRM
and fighting your competitors with underhand tactics?
Yes but it is an OS level bug, since there is no list of affected programs in the KB article you can't really be sure if the program you are using has the possibility to corrupt your files. So from a users point of view this is basically "randomly corrupting files" when it happens.
This is Microsoft we are talking about this company basically has unlimited amounts of money to throw at a problem. Instead of wasting time with useless features like DRM and eye candy (Vista) and UI changes for patent purposes only (Office 2007) they should instead fix core critical bugs in their OS and given that they have unlimited amount of money and resources I would expect their OS release to be almost 100% bug free.
And how do you interpret the KB article differently? As I understand it:
1. You share the file or create the file on a Windows server 2. You use a Windows XP client to access the file. 3. You use a program with the specific behaviour to edit/create the file for example "Microsoft linker" See: http://ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21180484
Right, just as they would have been if the update wasn't installed. Do you really not understand this? Regardless, there is already a very easy fix that Microsoft will undoubtedly make available for the small number of people that are effected by this.
So are you telling me that if you install Windows XP from an original disk, the original update will not work because
it doesn't have this new update? I do not think so, therefore this update was not needed as a silent update it could
have been just a regular update.
Regardless, there is already a very easy fix that Microsoft will undoubtedly make available for the small number of people that are effected by this.
Ah yes that's just great, except how will these people know about this update to fix their suddenly broken computer?
I mean it's not like Microsoft told them about the update. If I don't want to update my computer then it is my
decision, Microsoft has no business using my computer without my permission.
Look it doesn't matter how much you try to defend Microsoft it is obvious they made a serious error in judgement.
What the hell are you talking about? Windows Update worked before the update, why the hell did it need to be updated? And even if it needed to be updated it should have asked the user, not silently installing and mess up a perfectly working computer.
The number one rule of software development is that you don't fix something that isn't broken. Especially something critical as the update for windows update itself, because if you mess that up you can't update the machine any longer, and this is exactly what happened. The users that have used restore are now unable to update the machine, so even if Microsoft fixes this problem with windows update the computers that have installed this and used restore are now sitting ducks for viruses.
Microsoft has no excuse here they are just really stupid and don't give a damn about anything except money.
You don't get it, your DVD player is an embedded device, your computer is, well a computer, a multipurpose device, which requires that the user has the ability to add and update the software, this is what computers are for.
Also this is about Microsoft requiring all computers to have Windows as the operating system, giving the user no option of what operating system if any he wants to have.
No that would be the files that the installer unpacks to a subfolder on your desktop. If you delete this folder, which of course you do because no one likes programs to leave crap which has no use on their desktop then you can't install the new version.
There is a bug in the installer, I have Open Office 2.2 installed and it asks for openofficeorg22.msi before it can install 2.3, didn't anyone even think of actually testing the installer?
>Linux has progressed a bit since then. Try Ubuntu 7.04;
I don't think Linux has progressed at all, it is still as buggy as ever. I tried Ubuntu 7.04 just recently in a Virtual PC, guess what? The mouse doesn't work at all. How it that that for progress?
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Actually there are plans here in Iceland to build big data centers.
If you are willing to drop the Linux requirements then I think Cobian Backup has everything you need.
Anybody who has ever owned a motherboard with a VIA chipset knows that it is total crap. I have owned a lot of motherboards over the years, and the only motherboards that I ever had problems with had VIA chipsets. Thei are crap and their drivers are even worse. If you ever had the "pleasure" of installing their hyperion drivers you know what I am talking about. The worst of it all is that they never acknowledge that there are any problems.
There is nothing remarkable about the iPod, there are many better alternatives like Creative players which don't have any DRM, can play Divx and XDvix and have many more options. The iPod is basically overhyped and locks you into propriatory crap.
Well given that they are censoring free speech, it is given that they don't care one thing about privacy. They really should change their logo to "Don't be evil, except to be greedy"
Are you new here? Microsoft has been known to use hidden API in order to gain advantage writing it's own software. Just search for "windows undocumented api" on google.
I have many times sent an email with some document to a company or a government agency, and gotten the response back that I need to fax it instead. So I just take the same document and then use print to fax directly on my laptop, no fax machine needed. It's just amazing how "normal" people don't understand how fax is not more secure than email. The only possible advantage of using fax is that at least it can be tied to a physical phone number, however I seriously doubt people check the fax logs for the number the fax came from, do fax machines even keep logs or print out the originating fax number?
Well given that Google can be pressured by evil governments or evil companies into doing evil things, as history has shown. I think it is given that they will use this information for evil purposes, maybe they are planning to sell this information to insurance companies.
The reason for the brackets, is that it is truly a different input device. Instead of having a small input field where you have to scroll constantly for every text field, the text field itself grows so that you can always see all of the text on the document itself. HTML and the web is just a very bad implementation of what notes had 20 years ago.
I highly doubt that Sharepoint is at the same level as Notes in terms of functionality. The declarative security model and data replication are one of the most amazing things in notes. You don't have to "program" in the security you just declare it and it just works everywhere.
A groupware application is of course is no different from any other application you still need to design, test and have a data model although lotus notes data model isn't a relational one you still have to have some kind of data model even if it is only in your head.
Lotus Notes is a groupware platform, where you can build applications on top. What this means is that you can have data flow from two different applications and they can mix together in either application. The applications don't have to be specially programmed to interface with each other. Documents from one application can flow into the other one and be displayed in it's views.
Actually Lotus Notes is light years ahead of Outlook/Exchange, but of course that doesn't say much because Outlook isn't very good groupware to begin with. The thing that people don't realize is that Lotus Notes is a fantastic rapid application development product. I can make a groupware application in 30 minutes that would take 6 months to a year to do in Outlook/Exchange/.NET and it still would not have the features of the notes application, for example: Integrated search in every view, Integrated replication, Easy customization, Every application is also a web application, Integrated logging, Integrated access control down to a field level, Integrated Offline capabilites and so on.
I'll admit that the email client that comes with Lotus Notes is not very good, but that is not because Notes is not very good, it's just that the IBM developers that create the email client are not very good developers, it would be possible to have the email client look exactly like Outlook.
But since Notes comes with POP and IMAP support out of the box, you can always just use the email client of your choice.
I personally find the ribbon to be crap but that's just me. However I would think one of the reason for OO is to provide an open source alternative for Microsoft monopoly on word processing. Given that it could be necessary to have an option in OO to have an alternate ribbon UI for those wanting to migrate from Office to OO. This option has now been permanently banned by Microsoft because they want to be a monoploy.
The ribbon isn't innovation it has been done many times before in other applications. Having software and UI patentable is just insane, computer methods can always be mapped into doing something using just pen and paper, adding a computer into it doesn't make it innovative. Software is also just a mathematical construct and you don't patent math. Just imagine how far we would be behind times if math was patentable.
Yes exactly because Hollywood needs it, what about the wishes of the users that buy the system? If the chinese government wanted Microsoft to implement filters at the OS level to censor information then you would just be okay with that? Unfortunately the bribing can't be proven, but that doesn't you mean you can't draw your own conclusions from the episode. Just the same way as O.J was not guilty everyone knows what actually happened.
What is really ironic about Hollywood today with all their DRM and DVD price fixing is that it all started with them breaking the law and refusing to pay patent royalties to Edison.
So just because you use MS technology you are just okay with them taking away all your rights? What about the freedom to use YOUR computer the way you want to? Remember they can cripple your computer anytime they like either because they want to or because of simple bugs. It saddens me that you don't seem to have critical thinking just because you get paid.
Being a big company or a government doesn't mean you are always right. Was McCarthyism just okay because it was the government doing it? What about slavery? You may say "well that was a long time ago" yes but that doesn't mean everything right now is just okay. In a 100 years people will say the same things about some of the stuff now. For example terrorism is at the same level now as communism was once. If you want to mess up someones life and credibility you just label them terrorists like you once labeled them communists and the government will react accordingly.
Windows is unfortunately used in many hospitals for critical stuff so a corruption bug could b
You can have almost bug free code, NASA can do it, of course it means you have to have a very tight software development and must spent a lot of time and money on testing and not waste time with useless stuff.
You have to realise this is not some third party application we are talking about, this is the core OS which is used by millions of people every day, crashes and corruption bugs should be priority number one.
OK I think this thread here is getting a little out of control
I think we can agree on that at least the fix is available and it is in testing which is good
I have sometimes had my windows core files just corrupt for no reason, how am I supposed to know if this was the reason or not? Well we do know that they had at least $14 billion in profit this year. If that isn't a shitload of money then I don't know what is
and...uhm...maybe they could use their profits..I don't know...to actually make their products better?
You do realise the only reason for the ribbon interface change in 2007 is to keep a patent stranglehold on open source competitors? Ease of use had nothing to do with it.
Yes the fix has been in testing for at least 4 months. I am glad they didn't waste their time adding DRM to Vista, bribing ISO members or anything like that.
Uhm maybe the reason could be that Linux doesn't have shitload of money?
If Linux could hire developers to do units tests and quality assurance for that money. I can guarantie that it would be almost 100% bug free.
It isn't even about the money it is about priorities. Do you but priority on fixing bugs and making your product actually better than the competitor, or do you focus on useless and obtrusive things like DRM and fighting your competitors with underhand tactics?
Yes but it is an OS level bug, since there is no list of affected programs in the KB article you
can't really be sure if the program you are using has the possibility to corrupt your files.
So from a users point of view this is basically "randomly corrupting files" when it happens.
This is Microsoft we are talking about this company basically has unlimited amounts of money to throw at a problem. Instead of wasting time with useless features like DRM and eye candy (Vista) and UI changes for patent purposes only (Office 2007) they should instead fix core critical bugs in their OS and given that they have unlimited amount of money and resources I would expect their OS release to be almost 100% bug free.
And how do you interpret the KB article differently? As I understand it:
1. You share the file or create the file on a Windows server
2. You use a Windows XP client to access the file.
3. You use a program with the specific behaviour to edit/create the file for example "Microsoft linker"
See: http://ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21180484
It isn't mentioned what version of windows was used or what they did, so I can't be sure but anyway according to:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885936
By simply using Windows XP and then share the file on a windows network you can possibly corrupt the file.
Maybe not OS files but it is known to spontaneously corrupt files:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946676
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943393
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885936
Look it doesn't matter how much you try to defend Microsoft it is obvious they made a serious error in judgement.
What the hell are you talking about? Windows Update worked before the update, why the hell did it need to be updated?
And even if it needed to be updated it should have asked the user, not silently installing and mess up a perfectly
working computer.
The number one rule of software development is that you don't fix something that isn't broken.
Especially something critical as the update for windows update itself, because if you mess that up
you can't update the machine any longer, and this is exactly what happened. The users that have used
restore are now unable to update the machine, so even if Microsoft fixes this problem with windows update
the computers that have installed this and used restore are now sitting ducks for viruses.
Microsoft has no excuse here they are just really stupid and don't give a damn about anything except money.
You don't get it, your DVD player is an embedded device, your computer is, well a computer, a multipurpose device, which requires that the user has the ability to add and update the software, this is what computers are for.
Also this is about Microsoft requiring all computers to have Windows as the operating system, giving the user no option of what operating system if any he wants to have.
No that would be the files that the installer unpacks to a subfolder on your desktop. If you delete this folder, which of course you do because no one likes programs to leave crap which has no use on their desktop then you can't install the new version.
There is a bug in the installer, I have Open Office 2.2 installed and it
asks for openofficeorg22.msi before it can install 2.3, didn't anyone
even think of actually testing the installer?
This is no fairy tale, take a look at:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223606
and
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=234348
PS/2 mouse doesn't work under kernel-2.6.20-1.2933 which seems to be what Ubuntu 7.04 uses.
I am not trolling I am just telling it like it is, mouse doesn't work, which to me is a showstopper bug in any operating system.
>Linux has progressed a bit since then. Try Ubuntu 7.04;
I don't think Linux has progressed at all, it is still as buggy as ever.
I tried Ubuntu 7.04 just recently in a Virtual PC, guess what?
The mouse doesn't work at all. How it that that for progress?