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Cost-Effective Server Room Air Conditioning?

at0mic26 writes "I am currently tasked with finding a cost effective solution to our 30+ degree Celsius server room. The only air conditioning currently provided is a single duct pipe from one of two air conditioner units. I was thinking of stealing air from the second air conditioning unit with some sheet metal work, but it likely will not be sufficient — and would not have tolerance for both AC units being offline for any amount of time. An ideal supplemental portable AC unit is what I am after, however I'm finding it cost prohibitive, with $600+ humidity controlled AC unit, plus 20 amp socket requirement, plus contract work to make a hole in the wall for outside drainage so that the unit does not flood the place. What sort of successful cheaper air conditioning solutions have you come up with?"

414 comments

  1. Celcius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Silly Americans.

    1. Re:Celcius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, this is twice in one day that 'tasked' has appeared on the front page. This is a terrible word. The first sentence should be 'I have been asked to find...' not 'I have been tasked with finding...'. Please, will someone think of the children!

    2. Re:Celcius? by c_forq · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why is it a bad word choice? I think asked would be a bad choice, as I assume in his employer/employee relationship there was no asking taking place. "Tasked" is in my dictionary, and I don't see any reason to exclude it from the English language.

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    3. Re:Celcius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure we can... C.

    4. Re:Celcius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Tasked' is not in many dictionaries. It's a hateful piece of modern business jargon that is not used in any other context. It seems to exist just to make the 'tasker' or the 'taskee' feel more important. I think it makes me angry because it is so unnecessary, and messes up the rest of the sentence, forcing 'find' into 'finding' and making the whole thing a bit more difficult to comprehend. A linguist could probably explain this better.

      Also the key verb 'cooling' does not appear anywhere, making the whole of the first sentence sound like a kind of euphemism.

    5. Re:Celcius? by jadedoto · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      But languages evolve, else we wouldn't have half of the words we use now anyway. New words can be added to modern vocabulary. We don't speak Latin.

    6. Re:Celcius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New words appear organically if needed to describe a new idea, or if they are a genuine improvement on existing words. This word is not needed. Would you ever use 'tasked' in conversation? Can you even imagine a conversation with 'tasked' in it, possibly outside of an episode of The Office? I'll bet if the poster explained his problem to you face to face he would choose simpler words and so make his point more clearly. He might say 'We need to cool our server room'. Which is far better than 'I am currently tasked with finding a cost effective solution to our 30+ degree Celsius server room'.

    7. Re:Celcius? by The+Ultimate+Fartkno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but it's a good rule of thumb that if the language has evolved at the hands of a business consultant, they're just trying to make an ordinary, everyday job description sound sexy and exciting through deliberate obfuscation and complication of syntax. "I've been tasked with getting a tiger team to think outside the box vis-a-vis their normal operational paradigm with regards to proactively seeking out new-media revenue generation through forward-thinking distribution channels" sounds a lot sexier to the average suit than "We need more money. What ideas do you internet nerds have?"

    8. Re:Celcius? by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      He's at work. He wasn't asked, he was told. People for some reason like to be tasked to do things not told, it makes them feel special. I do agree, it's an annoying word that was made up to make people feel more important than they really are. People need to get over themselves and just dance monkey dance.

    9. Re:Celcius? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Well, I would say that you are brining out what I can only call a correllary to what my HS physics teacher once said (though he probably stole it from elsewhere), "Its a damned fool who can only think of one way to spell a word".

      Likewise, I don't see how this is a problem at all. Certainly you don't seem to work in the sort of buisness culture where this usage evolved. However, I find it perfectly clear, and, aside from offending your sense of grammatical aesthetics; I see no issue with it.

      "I am currently tasked" it conveys some important information:

        A) This isn't his personal machine room
        B) He is probably not the finale decision maker

      This, of course, also means that he doesn't define the requirements or budgets.

      This terminology comes out of what I might call "project culture". When people meet to discuss project status, we tend to talk of "deliverables", "tasks" etc.
      So its natural for giving someone a task to become "tasking them".

      Verbing happens all the time, and it only weirds language until you get used to it. I am sorry. Change happens.

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    10. Re:Celcius? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      and evolution happens regardless of whether you deem it to be an improvement or not. Actually, I hear "tasked" used all the time in everyday speech.

      Though you only really hear it in places and situations where you have several people working together and regularly meeting to determine what needs to be done AND you have individuals with the authority to assign tasks.

      Hence using "task" as a verb becomes rather commonplace.

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  2. Antarctica by ohxten · · Score: 5, Funny

    Move the room to Antarctica, turn off the heat.

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    1. Re:Antarctica by tommeke100 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't google thinking of moving some data centers to colder places to save on cooling expenses?
      However, you have to keep the temperature above freezing point, otherwise you'll have condensation and humidity problem.

    2. Re:Antarctica by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      ...wouldn't need LN2 then for overclocking

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    3. Re:Antarctica by nbert · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Since a few years we hear about people putting everything in an aquarium filled with vegetable oil. The only downside is that the oil creeps up the cables going out, so you have to wipe them from time to time. Never heard of any larger setup of this kind, but it would be interesting.

      And before someone mods me down consider this: The original article lacks info about just everything one would need in order to give reasonable advice: Location (local temperatures), heat output (amount of systems and what kind they are of), size of room and so on. So don't blame me but the guy who failed to articulate his question in a way that one could help him (plus the one putting it on the front page).

    4. Re:Antarctica by gid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So how does putting a computer in oil solve the heat problem in the server room? In this house we obey the law of thermodynamics.

    5. Re:Antarctica by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny

      Move the room to Antarctica, turn off the heat.

      Yeah, but if he's running Windows the penguins down there will attack.

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    6. Re:Antarctica by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would actually be the dew point. At the freezing point, the condensation will turn to ice.

      And some of the Scandinavian countries are courting datacenters. They have plenty of power from geothermal energy and also have the colder outside air to make cooling more efficient and/or basically free.

    7. Re:Antarctica by amorsen · · Score: 1

      So how does putting a computer in oil solve the heat problem in the server room?

      The oil should be much better than air at transporting heat. That makes the cooling problem much easier, e.g. you could pipe the oil outside for cooling. Also it would almost eliminate heat islands, so you could probably get away with having the oil at 40C or even 50C, again making the problem of cooling it much less. Air would likely need to be 15C or even 10C at the AC unit to cool the servers effectively.

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    8. Re:Antarctica by nbert · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Adding to amorsen: We all obey the law of thermodynamics (and at least I'm happy to do so). But nevertheless oil is a great heat conductor and air is one of the best insulators we have. We just use it to cool computer components because we have it all around us and it doesn't cost us anything. Oil is simply better if you want to transport intense amounts of heat from one point to the other

      Nevertheless I won't recommend anyone to use oil to get rid of heat problems - it was just a dumb but inspiring answer to a question which belongs in the former category of this sentence.

    9. Re:Antarctica by joocemann · · Score: 1

      Move the room to Antarctica, turn off the heat.

      Lol I was going to say "Take the walls off the building and pay a guard with a gun to keep people away" ...could be cost effective if its a big place.

    10. Re:Antarctica by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Iceland is pretty much the perfect place then. Lots and lots of geothermal energy, and it's pretty cold most of the time.

      And it's got Icelandic girls. And Bjork!

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    11. Re:Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://cgi.ebay.com/LG-12000-BTU-PORTABLE-ROOM-AIR-CONDITIONER-LP1200DXR_W0QQitemZ320291644164QQcmdZViewItem

    12. Re:Antarctica by bmwloco · · Score: 3, Informative

      Funny you should come up with that retort. 2000/2001 I was a network admin at the South Pole. We had a door to open, about 1' square, to open to atmosphere if the room got to hot. Mind you, there was a 4 inch ice "berm" around the entire room. It made cooling my beer easier.

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    13. Re:Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Bjork!

      sshhhhhhhh!

    14. Re:Antarctica by rossdee · · Score: 1

      And for the other 6 months of the year, try Thief River Falls, MN

    15. Re:Antarctica by Ruvim · · Score: 1

      The air is too dry in Antarctica: hard drives are failing much more often.

    16. Re:Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An oil bath is a good start, then pipe the hot oil to the kitchen for cooking fries. The cool oil then circulates back to be warmed up again for the next order of fries.

    17. Re:Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And iceland has more efficient and/or basically free heating too, with the naturally heated water under ground. So you can match them up for exactly the temperature you like, for nothing.

    18. Re:Antarctica by kbg · · Score: 1

      Actually there are plans here in Iceland to build big data centers.

    19. Re:Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't work. Cooling is a major problem in Antarctic server rooms. The moisture content of the air is so low it's very hard to pull heat out of it.

    20. Re:Antarctica by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Um vegetable oil?

      I dunno, I cook a fair amount, and I have an old wooden cutting board that I use for pasta (my great great grandmother's pasta board actually). Being that the board has literally been in my family for 4 generations, I figured I should care for it right, so I can pass it on to my nephew some day (I am no breeder)

      Anyway, long story short. I put it on my table and coat the entire top with a thick coat of MINERAL OIL. Yes, a petroleum based product, on my FOOD surface.

      Now before you go saying this isn't relevant. Let me tell you why I don't use vegetable oil: It can go rancid.

      Sure, it might be fine pure oil in a closed bottle, but seriously... you don't want a tub of rancid oil on your hands. Use mineral oil. Really!

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    21. Re:Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build your server farm like an old Cray supercomputer, have the entire racks immersed in non-conductive coolant. I think it was the X1E that used such a system.

    22. Re:Antarctica by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, look on the bright side of using oil, you can launch some CPU intensive tasks and then deep fry your lunch on a couple of minutes. No longer do you have to leave the building and goto McDonald's for chicken nuggets and French fries. Think of the possibilities, you can turn that frozen burrito into a chimichanga while you check the server logs.

    23. Re:Antarctica by idontgno · · Score: 1

      And if you really overclock, all you need is some frozen French fries and something to scoop 'em with and you've got a tasty snack!

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    24. Re:Antarctica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... some of the Scandinavian countries are courting datacenters. They have plenty of power from geothermal energy ...

      Actually there is only one Scandinavian country that has plenty of geothermal power and that's Iceland.

    25. Re:Antarctica by canuck57 · · Score: 1

      And some of the Scandinavian countries are courting datacenters. They have plenty of power from geothermal energy and also have the colder outside air to make cooling more efficient and/or basically free.

      Canada isn't that far, take Revelstoke and the Mica dam. I would even apply to work there. Put the heat exchangers into the lake, could cool down a data center nicely. Internet access, trivial, the fibre runs right by the town to Calgary and Vancouver.

  3. this article blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if you can't afford $600 to cool the room, you need to turn off your servers.

    1. Re:this article blows by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Correct.

      I would note, however, that most of the $600 1-ton units don't require drainage: they evaporate the condensate into the exhaust air instead.

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    2. Re:this article blows by wgoodman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have a similar setup and have had to go into it with a very low budget. I have a ~$400 portable LG air conditioner. No worries on draining it since it's smart enough to use the hot air of the exhaust to evaporate the moisture and send it out the warm air duct. I leave the unit on the "Dry" setting which tends to keep the room plenty cool.

    3. Re:this article blows by BKX · · Score: 3, Informative

      True, but condensation can't be an issue anyway. The compressor and condenser must be outside, or you'll just have a fancy heater that blows cold air on one side and drips water on the floor. See the laws of thermodynamics for details.

    4. Re:this article blows by mpoulton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True, but condensation can't be an issue anyway. The compressor and condenser must be outside, or you'll just have a fancy heater that blows cold air on one side and drips water on the floor. See the laws of thermodynamics for details.

      Nah. What you have is a refrigerator the size of the room. You just need to reject the heat out of the server room, not out of the building necessarily. Putting the condenser inside the building but outside the server room (as would be the case with a window AC unit installed through ain interior wall) will successfully cool the server room. The only downside is that it will increase the total load on the building's main cooling system. This may not be a problem.

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    5. Re:this article blows by jadedoto · · Score: 1

      Greatest comment ever. Brownie points for you.

    6. Re:this article blows by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      I've gotten more work that way. These cheap bastards spend $10K on their data stores but won't spring for a $1K-$2K redundant cooling system. Here's a news flash: Your cooling system is just as important to keep your business running as your $5K switch is. Don't nickle and dime yourself out of business. Your insurance claim will be denied when they find out you didn't cool your RAID properly, brainiac.

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    7. Re:this article blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I have to agree with this. If you can't afford $600, you shouldn't have a "server room". If you can't afford a proper setup, well, that's what hosting companies are for.

      If you go with some half-assed cheapo solution, you will probably still spend more than you would have paid to the hosting company, plus it will still be less reliable.

    8. Re:this article blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The unit he's talking about typically sits on the floor and has a duct to the window.

    9. Re:this article blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you're keeping a close eye on the filter. Because if the air intake slows down you're going to have a lot of water to deal with.

    10. Re:this article blows by Idaho · · Score: 1

      Came here to post this, but seriously, if you can't afford $600 for server-room A/C, which is less than the cost of a single server, you might as well stop your business right now.

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    11. Re:this article blows by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Informative

      The $600 A/C units both I and the poster are talking about sit entirely in the room. Air is drawn from the room, over the condenser and blown out of the room through a duct. For example: http://www.soleusair.com/soleusair/ph1_12r_03_c.html

      This particular unit also has a "memory" so it starts back up after a power loss. This is particularly critical for a computer room.

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    12. Re:this article blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You should always have a UPS anyway, but if you get at $400 or less air conditioner, you'd better pony up $1000 for a good power-conditioned UPS. Those air conditioners make beastly power spikes when they start up, which are Bad (tm) for servers.

      I agree with the host of comments that say if $600 is scaring your boss off, that boss needs to get out of any business that involves IT resources.

    13. Re:this article blows by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Most of those portable units have a sensor that shuts them down if the water starts to pool.

    14. Re:this article blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to contribute to his question, another wonderful Slashdot reply. Such great answers we find here. I am halfway down the page and still not one single helpful reply, just a bunch of questions and smart ass remarks!

    15. Re:this article blows by daenris · · Score: 1

      And I know from experience that many of these portable units are crap. We tried three different brands and the tank-full sensor failed to work on any of them, resulting in three cleanings of a very wet carpet. Eventually we moved the servers to a room with windows so we could put in more powerful window units which solved the problem. I highly recommend against portable "evaporative" air conditioners that claim they don't need drainage. They're lying.

    16. Re:this article blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except he's wrong, because he doesn't know how a portable air conditioner works. Hint: there's no violation of thermodynamics, instead there's an exhaust duct.

    17. Re:this article blows by kenh · · Score: 1

      Really, what do you expect for *less* than $600 plus construction work?

      Open the window?

      It sounds like you are looking at $1,000 total, stop complaining and start fixing the problem.

      Your only real "technical" alternative is to explore virtualization solutions (Hyper-V, VMware, Xen, etc.) and run less hardware, but without proper air conditioning, anything you run will likely overheat, and will most likely involve buying a newer server or two, that support hardware-assisted virtualization.

      Dude, for $1K, you're getting off cheap. What's next, how do I avoid the electric bills for the additional air conditioner?

      Final thought, consider colocating the servers elsewhere and call it a day, but how long will it take to burn through your magic $600 or $1,000 limit?

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    18. Re:this article blows by wgoodman · · Score: 1

      I've had it in there running for about a year now. We're less than a block from the ocean so we have plenty of moisture to deal with. I've never once drained the unit.

    19. Re:this article blows by ssstraub · · Score: 1

      I'd like to add my anecdotal evidence that our portable "never needs drainage" unit filled up so fast and often that we had to install a permanent drain to the plug on the bottom that routed outside the building.

      I wonder why that plug is there in the first place if it "never" needs to be drained?

  4. woooooosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dry ice.

    Just imagine the theatrics.

  5. Not much you can do by Nos. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dry ice and a fan? Seriously though, there's not much you can do here. What is the cost to the business if hardware starts failing if it overheats? How does that compare with the total cost of installing another A/C unit?

    1. Re:Not much you can do by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dry ice and a fan?

      This is not recommended:

      Due to the health risks associated with carbon dioxide exposure, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration says that average exposure for healthy adults during an eight-hour work day should not exceed 5,000 ppm (0.5%). The maximum safe level for infants, children, the elderly and individuals with cardio-pulmonary health issues is significantly less. For short-term (under ten minutes) exposure, the U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and American Conference of Government Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) limit is 30,000 ppm (3%). NIOSH also states that carbon dioxide concentrations exceeding 4% are immediately dangerous to life and health.

    2. Re:Not much you can do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the parent said.

      Don't be cheap where cooling is concerned.

      This being slashdot though, I'm sure there will be someone who will tell you how free alternatives to bowing down to the proprietary A/C industry are superior.

      These same people won't be there to help you recover your environment when heating issues cause catastrophic failures though.

    3. Re:Not much you can do by Ferzerp · · Score: 2, Informative

      You realize that the GP was being facetious, right?

    4. Re:Not much you can do by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      I use a vat of liquid nitrogen myself.

    5. Re:Not much you can do by nrgins · · Score: 1

      rofl :-)

    6. Re:Not much you can do by Blackhalo · · Score: 1

      Are these numbers really right for CO2 concentrations? I would think that 4% would occur naturally?

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    7. Re:Not much you can do by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      nitrogen? you pussy, nothing but helium for mine

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    8. Re:Not much you can do by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is that more or less dangerous than dihydrogen monoxide?

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    9. Re:Not much you can do by Schnoodledorfer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are these numbers really right for CO2 concentrations? I would think that 4% would occur naturally?

      You are only off by two decimal points. The correct figure is 0.038%.

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    10. Re:Not much you can do by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Seriously.

      According to wikipedia, exhalation has 4-5% CO2. I don't think my own breath (garlic or otherwise) is "immediately dangerous to life and health"

      However, according to wikianswers, 365Kg of CO2 is emitted per breath.

      YMMV. A lot.

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    11. Re:Not much you can do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that the GP (of your comment) realized that the average /. reader is as smart as the average /. moderator and thought, not a good idea, I'll let everyone know. This intelligence is proven by the fact that you've been modded informative when you (like I) were really just being a troll. Congrats.

    12. Re:Not much you can do by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      I was running a full-immersion cooling system in the entire room using liquid helium but I found it cost prohibitive.

    13. Re:Not much you can do by Schnoodledorfer · · Score: 1

      According to wikipedia, exhalation has 4-5% CO2. I don't think my own breath (garlic or otherwise) is "immediately dangerous to life and health"

      However, according to wikianswers, 365Kg of CO2 is emitted per breath.

      Think about it! If the air you exhale weren't "immediately dangerous to life and health", why would you need to exhale it? As soon as you exhale, the CO2 gets diluted, of course. Once that happens it's not hazardous to other people, but it's not at 4%, either.

      Were you just poking fun at wikianswers? I couldn't find anything about people exhaling 365kg of CO2 there, but I found other stuff that was equally ridiculous. Just in case you were serious, the mass of a normal sized person is somewhere around 80kg, so the idea that people exhale 365kg in a single breath is absurd.

      I hate it when someone copies text some elsewhere, but doesn't give the source! The "Due to the health risks..." quote in the grandparent comment apparently came from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_Dioxide#Toxicity.

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    14. Re:Not much you can do by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      This is not recommended:

      Due to the health risks associated with carbon dioxide exposure, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration says that average exposure for healthy adults during an eight-hour work day should not exceed 5,000 ppm (0.5%).

      Just use unhealthy adults. Or children.

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    15. Re:Not much you can do by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      According to wikipedia, exhalation has 4-5% CO2. I don't think my own breath (garlic or otherwise) is "immediately dangerous to life and health"

      If it weren't, why does your body have the urge to exhale it ? (And no, there's still plenty of oxygen in that air).

      However, according to wikianswers, 365Kg of CO2 is emitted per breath.

      This number fails a basic sanity check.

    16. Re:Not much you can do by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

      nothing but helium for mine

      ... he said in a squeaky, chipmunk-like voice.

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    17. Re:Not much you can do by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Co-lo on Titan?

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    18. Re:Not much you can do by mengel · · Score: 1

      We do liquid helium for superconducting magnets, that need to be that cold, but computers we just cool with water pumped to/from a nearby pond. Of course then you have to deal with the zebra mussels...

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    19. Re:Not much you can do by Zerth · · Score: 1

      A person emits about 1k of CO2 per day.

      Apparently wikianswers confused breath with year.

      Or they're in coldsleep.

    20. Re:Not much you can do by alanshot · · Score: 1

      If they arent smart enough to give him more than $600 to add more air, do you think they are going to actually think of anything other than cash-in-hand logic?

      I ran into similar at a company when calculating the ROI on an investment. When I tried to introduce lost man hours and other non-concrete concepts I was told "they dont factor that into the budgetary plans."

      It was 100% how much do I have to write a check for, and how much will this effect the cash coming in from customers. Nothing about worker efficiency, etc, just how much currency changes hands each way.

      But to get back on topic...

      we have several remote sites that have a rack in a small room off the warehouse. they cut a square hole in the wall, permanently mounted a $200 high output window AC unit in the hole, and ran a drain tube to the floor drain in the warehouse.

      Not elegant, but VERY cheap. Hell, those racks run cooler than my data center. And since they are off the shelf product, when they fail (not if) they just go buy another at the big box store and replace it.

      I think the last one we did we installed for LESS than $600 and that included the lumber for the room that we built in the warehouse!

    21. Re:Not much you can do by tempest69 · · Score: 1
      so what your saying is that we need to roll in tanks of liquid nitrogen, and open them to the correct settings. as co2 is both warmer and more dangerous..?

      This is not recommended: Due to the health risks associated with carbon dioxide exposure, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration says that average exposure for healthy adults during an eight-hour work day should not exceed 5,000 ppm (0.5%). The maximum safe level for infants, children, the elderly and individuals with cardio-pulmonary health issues is significantly less. For short-term (under ten minutes) exposure, the U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) and American Conference of Government Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) limit is 30,000 ppm (3%). NIOSH also states that carbon dioxide concentrations exceeding 4% are immediately dangerous to life and health.

    22. Re:Not much you can do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he was being facetious, but heck, I learned something there that I probably never would have thought "Gee, I don't know this, I'll have to look that up."
      That's one of the big bummers here - what one person considers off-topic enough to flame, another finds to be fascinating trivia.

  6. do what CIHost does by trybywrench · · Score: 3, Funny

    just stick a boxfan in there.

    I toured CIHost's Bedford TX datacenter a few years ago. I saw a boxfan blowing on a bunch of servers and a single power strip plugged into 4 or 5 of those servers that was stretched across to a wall outlet so that it was about 8" off the floor. Pefect to trip over nevermind the walmart quality parts.

    tour was over after i saw that.

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    1. Re:do what CIHost does by ForestGrump · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually that's what we did at my last job.

      We had a lab packed full of routers/switches/data generators for stress testing. There were issues with hot spots and equipment would randomly fail. Solution? buy a ton of box fans during the off-season at $10 each and place them in the lab to help with hotspots. Works great, and is an inexpensive solution.

      Oh, and be sure to have a monitor on the A/C, so when it breaks on a weekend, you won't fry your equip.

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    2. Re:do what CIHost does by Gerald · · Score: 1

      Most box fans are about 19" wide. This fact came in handy years ago when I worked at an ISP. Our Ascend boxes (in an otherwise frigid data center) kept overheating, so we wire-tied a box fan to the front of the rack. Worked like a charm.

    3. Re:do what CIHost does by snakeyes · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Holy crap! I live across the street from there! Behind (what used to be) Gators. Small world :D

    4. Re:do what CIHost does by nrgins · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      fuckin A! i live a few blocks from that place! what are the chances of someone mentioning it here. (Or maybe it's more famous/significant than I thought.) Oh shit - i see snakeyes also lives here. wow, didn't know so many people from bedford read this blog. (hey, snakeyes - sup!)

    5. Re:do what CIHost does by kqc7011 · · Score: 1

      What is needed is, what is the outside air temp.. If it is at or below what you want for your server to run, then all that you need is a big air mover. Grainger or McMaster Carr. have just about any type of air mover that you would need. If you are on the cheap, go to a furnace repair shop and buy a used furnace blower, lots of cfm for a little work. Remember the best way is to have two air movers working at one time, one bowing in and one sucking it out. If you go this way, have the sucking out air mover be a little larger than the the one blowing in. Filter the incoming air.

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    6. Re:do what CIHost does by shadow349 · · Score: 1

      I saw a boxfan blowing on a bunch of servers

      Chumps. They need to step up to the big leagues and use an oscillating Cooling Apparatus.

    7. Re:do what CIHost does by RMH101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      which isp was this? so i can avoid them?

    8. Re:do what CIHost does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just stick a boxfan in there.

      I toured CIHost's Bedford TX datacenter a few years ago. I saw a boxfan blowing on a bunch of servers and a single power strip plugged into 4 or 5 of those servers that was stretched across to a wall outlet so that it was about 8" off the floor. Pefect to trip over nevermind the walmart quality parts.

      tour was over after i saw that.

      OMG, CIHost, that place is a continuous lesson in how to screw up a company. Having installed some hardware for them over the course of a few months, I came away very grateful I was never employed there. The motto seemed to be 'do it for less money and never pay attention to failures'

    9. Re:do what CIHost does by Brianwa · · Score: 1

      You say it like it's bad, but if you have servers in a dead spot in a room where they just keep recirculating their own exhaust, a cheap little fan can make a massive difference.

    10. Re:do what CIHost does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap! I live no where near there. What r the chances!!?!

    11. Re:do what CIHost does by Bronster · · Score: 1

      So bloody true. When we finally got our machines their very own machine room, the office manager skimped on AC, and the stupid AC not only wasn't really powerful enough for the size of the racks (luckily we didn't fill them anywhere near capacity), but after a power failure the servers would start again, but the AC wouldn't. You needed to press a button. POS.

      I'm glad I left that job.

    12. Re:do what CIHost does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, that's great, I work across the highway from that building and sometimes see their tech guys out at the restaurants. About a year ago, they painted the whole building white and covered all the windows. Check it out:

      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bedford,+tx&ie=UTF8&ll=32.840745,-97.130878&spn=0.012169,0.019312&z=16&layer=c&cbll=32.8373,-97.133457&panoid=9dWq2DgTPRPqTUxnZx14fw&cbp=1,308.72023173554317,,0,5

      (if the link doesn't work, you can see it on Google Streetview at the northwest corner of Central and Hwy 183 in Bedford, TX)

      And actually, in the Texas heat, painting the building white and covering/removing the windows is probably a pretty good idea.

    13. Re:do what CIHost does by Cramer · · Score: 1

      The problem with those things is the left-right airflow. Go ask PSI what happens when you put several rows of these things in a room. The air gets hotter and hotter as you go down the line; their solution... a piece of cardboard between the racks.

      Enclosed server racks are engineered for front-back airflow.

    14. Re:do what CIHost does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did this for a while too, just that the mass of servers packed into one room was a bunch of custom development systems and the solution included a bunch of box fans and one fan that blew air out the window. That was temporary though, until we could move everything into a real server room instead of the ex-mailroom that we were originally using.

  7. Simply this... by actionbastard · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are no cheap A/C solutions. Portable home units lack the tonnage to adequate cool even a small bedroom, let alone a room full of fire-breathing servers. Industrial portables for 'spot' cooling, that have sufficient tonnage start in the low $10K rang and quickly move up. My suggestion is to get an A/C pro to do up the spec for you and then bid it out with guarantees and such in the RFP.

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    1. Re:Simply this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that's pretty much the case. We were able to hook up an external fan for the winter and switch to that when the temp got low enough that helped shave the costs a bit in winter, but for 11 months of the year in the northern midwest it requires a $15K unit for even the most modest of server rooms.

    2. Re:Simply this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are full of crap.. We cool down our server 3 portable air condition (total cost 800.00) Works fine..

      7 Dell 2650's
      3 Dell 220s SCSI Racks
      3 UPS

    3. Re:Simply this... by linear+a · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sounds like you have more time than money. If you can't afford the cost to beef up the A/C, you can use some of the techniques used in server room design. If you can, take the cold air and put it directly into your hottest (or most expensive to replace maybe) and add partitions to channel the cold air where it will do the most good. Simply mixing a stream of cold air with the warm room air is not efficient. Put the limited cooling where it does the most good, don't let the cold air mix with the hot air, try to channel the hot air away from everything. As an added thought, and exhaust fan somewhere where it is hottest might do considerable good.

    4. Re:Simply this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you call B^HTuttle, ill-tempered, heavily-armed heating engineer.

    5. Re:Simply this... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Could you provide a description of the make and model for the air conditioners you found? I might like to pick up a couple for my condo. I haven't been able to find any of decent quality for less than 4-5 hundred. $233 sounds like a steal.

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    6. Re:Simply this... by pla · · Score: 1

      I haven't been able to find any of decent quality for less than 4-5 hundred. $233 sounds like a steal.

      The WallyWorld specials usually go in the $100-$150 range, up another hundred for their "high end" garbage.

      Not exactly something I'd trust my server room to, but they do work for a year or two (and can't argue that three separate unitsoffers some degree of redundancy).

    7. Re:Simply this... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      For a portable, not a window or wall, air conditioner? I think they start much higher than that. The window air conditioners work much better, but they wouldn't work for an interior room with out windows. The cheap portables that start at $359.10 at home depot at they can't even make 10 x 10 a room cool. To really cool a bedroom to below 80 degrees on a 90 degree day you typically need to step up to a $500 1200 BTU unit ( the BTU's aren't' comparable to any other kind of air conditioner because the heat is leaked out of the air exchange hoses).

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  8. Simple answer is don't mess around by banbeans · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never try and just make do with the cooling.
    The cost of doing it right pales in comparison with not doing it right and something happening.

    1. Re:Simple answer is don't mess around by cosinezero · · Score: 1

      The cost of doing it right pales in comparison with not doing it right WHEN something happens.

      Fixed that for you.

    2. Re:Simple answer is don't mess around by sterno · · Score: 1

      Indeed. At one place I worked the server room would stay reasonably cool as long as the door was open. If somebody happened to close the door, by morning, servers were crashing. Also, long term overheating might not cause crashes, but it will cause things like hard drives to fail prematurely.

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    3. Re:Simple answer is don't mess around by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      A major retailer in the US (and our single big customer at the time) built their own little computer rooms in their dispatch centres. We supplied a little GA-440-based computer and software that did a bit of inventory work for them back in the late 70's. They installed one of the domestic air conditioners they sold (which did match the BTU rating we specified). One of the service calls we had was traced to fried equipment, so we investigated -- 55 degrees C in the computer room -- turns out they did everything pretty much spot on, except for having the aircon's air inflow and outflow both in the same little room.

      Sometimes there is no substitute for basic knowledge of physics...

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    4. Re:Simple answer is don't mess around by Curtman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Another no no is to exhaust an air conditioner into a balcony enclosed with glass. I've seen that done, it's a great show as long as you are on a floor above, and park far far away.

  9. Factor in the price of cooling with the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    See subject. Don't just buy servers and think of the cooling problem later. Cooling is expensive, but it costs less if you install it at the same time you set up your facility.

    Apologies - I realise this doesn't really answer your question but it's an experience you, or others can gain from this situation.

    1. Re:Factor in the price of cooling with the servers by afidel · · Score: 1

      You also need to figure in power for the lifetime of the server and the fraction of generator and UPS you are going to use along with maintenance for all of the above. This is (most of) what's called hardware TCO and if you aren't computing it you aren't doing your job as an IT worker.

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  10. Whats the SEER rating? by ilovesymbian · · Score: 1

    >> I am currently tasked with finding a cost effective solution to our 30+ degree celcius server room.

    First, its "celsius" and not "celcius".

    On track, you need to check the SEER rating. A rating of at least 15 is good and energy efficient. Many of the Carrier models have decent SEER ratings. We use it in our office (a telecom) and its a huge saving over the old A/C which had a 10 SEER rating.

  11. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you posted more information you could get a reasonable answer.

    How much space?
    How much heat is the equipment giving off?
    What is your budget?
    At what temperature do you want to operate the room?
    How quickly is the heat output of the equipment growing?
    How much excess capacity do you need?

    If you can't answer those questions you won't get a workable solution.

    1. Re:Maybe by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

      How far is it from Antarctica?

    2. Re:Maybe by mpathetiq · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Damn you! No mod points! Best comment today.

    3. Re:Maybe by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 0, Redundant

      LOL. Nice. Hope you get some mod love for that one.

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    4. Re:Maybe by ignavus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn! It is a really long way from Antarctica.

      No hope for me getting cheap cooling then, here in northern Greenland.

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    5. Re:Maybe by Geak · · Score: 1

      What's it matter? The internet is made of tubes! Just connect to a web site in Antarctica and suck all the cold air through the tube!

    6. Re:Maybe by slogan · · Score: 1

      Please don't melt Antarctica!

    7. Re:Maybe by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Of course since he was "tasked" that usually involves management decisions. So he is probably saying the same thing himself. Reminds me of a conversation I had with an employer once:

      "You know, I have no idea what my requirements are, they are nearly undefined, and nobody seems to be able to tell me."

      "I know, and we are all scared"

      Thats the kind of leadership that often comes with tasking.

      -Steve

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  12. How many servers? by greymond · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the room averages a temperature of 86 degrees (sorry I'm american) and I wanted to get it cooler there are a lot of options, however what size room are we talking about and where is it located (room, ground floor, basement?) Lots of different options and choices depending on lots of variables that weren't in the post.

    I'm not trying to be a dick, just wondering because cooling a room for a small business like the one I work in that houses all of 3 servers in a room a little larger than your average walk-in closet is a lot different than trying to cool a room with 100 rack mount servers lined up in rows.

    A google search though brings up a lot of places like http://www.ptsdcs.com/ - might just be worthwhile to google for what you need.

    1. Re:How many servers? by shallot · · Score: 1

      If the room averages a temperature of 86 degrees (sorry I'm american) [...]

      That intro is just calling for a joke involving global warming and Michelle Obama :)

    2. Re:How many servers? by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not American, so if the room averaged 86 degrees, I would take my clothes off, pour water on the servers, drink some vodka and beat myself with birch brushes. And BTW, I'm not Finnish either.

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  13. Blow me incorporated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Higher a hooker for your boss that gave you an impossible task. Because then he won't fire you when you are unable to come through here.

    1. Re:Blow me incorporated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Higher a hooker

      Is that a 'special services' surcharge?

  14. Spend the freakin' money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and do it right!

  15. Simple... by aztektum · · Score: 1

    Cheaper A/C alternatives? Do nothing. Let the room overheat and replace all the computing hardware. So what if you're down for a week?

    Or suck it up and foot the bill to do it right.

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    1. Re:Simple... by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Or you could just underclock everything and blame it on heat related cpu throttling. If enough people bitch about the systems running slow maybe they'll up your budget.

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    2. Re:Simple... by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Let the room overheat and replace all the computing hardware. So what if you're down for a week?"

      Don't forget the BOFH option.
      Back everything up.
      Wait until meltdown, then be the hero for restoring the new systems. :)

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    3. Re:Simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would probably work pretty well, but only if you don't get canned as first thing. Your replacement then comes in, scratches head, turns off underclock, and we're back at square 1, just minus you.

    4. Re:Simple... by broken_chaos · · Score: 1

      Just make sure to document (even if after the fact - wink wink nudge nudge) that you reported that the server room needed more cooling, but were not listened to...

    5. Re:Simple... by Warll · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sure you`re thinking of the right BOFH? The one I know would do something more like this:

      Backup nothing

      lock Boss or some lusers in server room along with any old hardware

      Go on Junket

      Come back and blame mess on now dead Boss/Luser

      Buy new hardware from whomever is willing to give the best kickback.

    6. Re:Simple... by Molochi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given the ridiculously limited budget and the extent of responsibility, he's probably the son or nephew of the owner or the boss himself. Underclocking the systems would protect the hardware and probably reduce current heat problems. Not getting caught would just be a BOFH=in-training field test. It was supposed to be funny BTW.

      Here's another antisocial solution. Install the AC on an inside wall. It's cheaper to just cut through sheetrock.

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    7. Re:Simple... by luke923 · · Score: 1

      Been there -- done that.

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    8. Re:Simple... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      You sure you`re thinking of the right BOFH? The one I know would do something more like this:

      I'm sure the BOFH would get creative with the lock on the server room door, the boss and the "fan + dry ice" cooling method mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

  16. insulation by mabu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can use standard window units - but the key is insulation - you have to have a very well insulated and sealed room. I built my own server room by adding two additional layers of insulation on to the existing sheetrock (styrofoam with a plastic vinyl 4x8 sheet paneling and then putting silicon on all the seams, then using window units (with a backup unit). I can keep the room at a constant 61 degrees F with two full height racks running with a 8000-12000 btu 220 window unit.

    1. Re:insulation by Sosarian · · Score: 1

      Two full height racks full of 1Us with two quad core opterons each, running computation jobs?

      Or are you just cooling the racks, no gear? :)

    2. Re:insulation by eln · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's really no reason you need to keep your server room that cold, and you're probably wasting a lot of electricity doing so. You could set that thermostat at least 10 degrees higher and still be fine.

    3. Re:insulation by CommieSmurf · · Score: 0

      Parent has it all wrong. An extremely poorly insulated room will do just what you need; provide a rough maximum ambient temperature.

    4. Re:insulation by rcw-home · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can use standard window units - but the key is insulation - you have to have a very well insulated and sealed room.

      No, you don't. If you cool the room with A/C to the same temperature as any other office room, and it's right next to other office rooms, then there is no temperature gradient and no heat will move through even the flimsiest wall. On the other hand, when your A/C unit eventually fails, it'll get much, much hotter in a well-insulated room.

      Sealing may help the A/C unit maintain humidity, if that's a problem for you.

    5. Re:insulation by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      cooler room temp is sometimes a waste, but it speeds heat loss from the servers and gives you a buffer if the AC dies.

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    6. Re:insulation by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      You must live somewhere hot. For the rest of us, insulation is the worst idea imaginable, because the temperature of the server room is higher than the temperature of adjacent rooms / outdoors. But then most of us have warmer server rooms than you too. I've no idea why you think maintaining a temperature of 61 F (16 Celsius) is necessary. Unless the individual systems have truly awful cooling and would otherwise overheat, I suspect you're just wasting money by having the room that cold.

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    7. Re:insulation by HBI · · Score: 1

      This doesn't work for one reason. A window unit is always in dehumidification mode. It will suck the moisture out of the room till it is bone dry. However, you really don't want a bone dry server room. Static...

      Of course, if the window unit is inadequate, it'll never do the job of dehumidifying, but it also won't cool the room either.

      Incidentally, the gold standard here are Liebert units. You'll find them all over. Interestingly enough, the issue for AC in server rooms often revolves around heat transfer. Your window AC unit uses a condenser coil that does simple transfer of the heat to the outside air. This doesn't work in a typical server room. Most quality server room AC units will use chilled water to transfer heat, usually from a water tower.

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    8. Re:insulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but an average small server on idle uses about 100w of power, so roughly 341 BTUS of heat is generated. So realistically 12,000BTU will cool only about 30 small servers. It's difficult to believe that you manage to cool 2 full racks. Unless they are mostly empty racks.

    9. Re:insulation by eosp · · Score: 1

      Then they wouldn't be full racks.

    10. Re:insulation by pbdavidson · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only reason to do this- despite the wastefulness- is to buy time. Given a single window a/c unit, the op says there's a backup unit- which is likely not running all the time. When (not if) the first unit fails, the temp will climb very rapidly- once the room crosses the 85F mark, you're counting minutes before thermal shutdown starts to happen. In my room (15Kw ave consumption, north central US), keeping the room at 63F gives us exactly 15 minutes to get our backup cooling online- reasonable if we get the notice early enough, and are on-site. Raising it to 73F would give us 7 minutes or so- that's a dangerously short amount of time.

  17. Remove the heat by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The best idea I've seen is to use enclosed racks, sealed with weatherstripping except for vents at the bottom, and put a duct in the top that leads to an exhaust fan on the roof. Now you're not trying to cool the hot air produced by the servers; you're removing the hot air produced by the servers. Cool air from the already-air-conditioned room will be sucked up through ventilation at the bottom of the rack to keep the servers cool. And since your existing AC doesn't have to cool all that hot air, it should be able to keep the room temperature down to 20C.

    Note that this is a long-term solution in terms of lower energy costs. I have no idea what it would cost up front to implement.

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    1. Re:Remove the heat by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your solution *sounds* nice, but in fact, may drive cooling bills UP.

      Where I live, it's routinely over 100 degrees (Yup. Ima 'merkin!) outside, today is expected to hit over 110. In order to provide a net savings, the hot air coming out from your server rack has to be even hotter than that, otherwise you're venting 90 degree air outside, then having to compensate for this by cooling down 110 degree air as it gets sucked into your building.

      And this problem is exacerbated if there is relatively high humidity. (EG: Florida) Then, not only are you cooling down the air, you're pumping water out of the air, and since OP mentioned water drains and "not flooding" the place, this may well be him.

      Now, if you're in an area where high temps are the exception, this may not be much of an issue. But it sure wouldn't work where I live.

      OP: Here's what you do: Go to three reputable contractors. Get three quotes for the job. Get references for each contractor. Present this information to your boss.

      If he/she can't handle that, you need to move on anyway.

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    2. Re:Remove the heat by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      This only works if the air outside is the right temperature and humidity, because outside air must enter the building to replace the hot air you're venting out the top of your racks. If it's too hot, or the humidity isn't right, you're still going to need air conditioning. You've just moved the problem: instead of containing it in your server room, it's now spread throughout your building (everywhere the negative pressure allows air to enter). I would NOT want to be the server guy when a heat wave hits and the building A/C can't keep up, because even if your servers aren't cooking yet, everyone else in the building might as well be.

    3. Re:Remove the heat by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      The best idea I've seen is to use enclosed racks, sealed with weatherstripping except for vents at the bottom, and put a duct in the top that leads to an exhaust fan on the roof

      You've got that right. You're moving heat, that's your core challenge.

      I'd add however that for proper dramatic effect you need a Stirling engine to use that spare heat, with a large flywheel driving a large number of random brass gears and rotating cylinders, with vapour venting through coils of copper pipe. Why do server rooms have to be boring?

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    4. Re:Remove the heat by markhahn · · Score: 1

      no - top exhausts appeal to people, but the fact is that servers are based on front-to-back airflow. that means that the whole front of the rack needs to be either exposed servers or blanking panels, and you must exhaust from the back of the rack. if you want to add a big duct to the back (probably have to be about 2 feet deep), you could direct the hot air up. but there's a reason real machinerooms have segregated hot and cold aisles. bouyancy is great, but doesn't move air like a rack full of fans...

      of course, if your heat density is low (say, 10KW/rack), none of this matters much.

    5. Re:Remove the heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Your solution *sounds* nice, but in fact, may drive cooling bills UP."

      Yeah I was immediately reminded of the movie Greed and the "Va-Poo-Rize" produce; Q: "but where does the poo go??"; A: "UP ... OUT! It goes AWAY... who knows!?"

      Drawing air OUT of the room means that air is coming IN to the room - from where? Elsewhere in the building? There's are only so many source for air in the building before you suck it down to a total vacuum and you have to let outside air in. Thus: you would be doing work to cool outside air.

      As bad as that may sound, it's possible that the outside air may require LESS cooling than the server however. I have personally stood in a major data center with dead chillers on the roof where the colo temperatures were nearing 100 degrees Fahrenheit - but the temperature was only 65 degrees outside in the middle of the night. Had there been an efficient means of just "opening the doors" to the outside air, the crisis would have abated until the chillers could be repaired. Instead we ordered a couple dozen spot cooling portable A/C units and spaced them out through the facility.

    6. Re:Remove the heat by Tmack · · Score: 1

      The best idea I've seen is to use enclosed racks, sealed with weatherstripping except for vents at the bottom, and put a duct in the top that leads to an exhaust fan on the roof. ...

      As other replies pointed out, sending it out the roof isnt the best option, for many reasons. Chances are, in the summer the outside air is hotter than that in the DC, and humidity is uncertain. Recycling the air will keep the humidity low and more easily controlled (you do want SOME to keep static discharge down, as well as increase the air's heat capacity).

      The enclosed rack space is a growing trend, in that it cools only the stuff that needs cooling: the racks. Either from ceiling or floor vents, its pushed up the cold side and sucked out the hot side. The ducting then goes right back to your Leiberts or whatever to be recycled and run again. You could add an electric damper to redirect the exhaust and intakes outside if the temp out there is cooler than the exhaust itself... But typically its cheaper to just run straight ducting.

      The drawbacks are that the servers farthest from the cold vent might not get adequate cooling, unless you put dampers in front of those closest to the vent or run a decent pressure differential across the rack, and enclosing the racks properly costs a decent sum of $$.

      That being said, the poor mans version can be accomplished by enclosing the cold side of the racks with some tarps, put all the cold vents in the area enclosed in tarpage, and let the rest of the room act as a heat sink for the hot side. It might get quite warm in the room, but the servers will get the cooling they need. If the temps keep rising, you are under capacity and need to pony up the $$ for more tonnage.

      Tm

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    7. Re:Remove the heat by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      As long as it was a *LOW HUMIDITY* 65 degrees. 65 degrees at high humidity may be just as expensive to make into 65 degrees at low humidity as cooling dry, 95 degree air down to 65.

      I pay good money to host my cluster in some of the finest hosting available on the West Coast. Along with the dual/redundant power, dual/redundant network feeds, and 24x7 tech support, the air is clean, ultra-pure, very dry, and cool. Fans last *forever* in this environment; after 3 years of 24x7 duty, there is no visible dust on the blades.There is not a lick of rust.

      Would I change any of this in order to save even 70% on my hosting bill?

      Sorry. Not for me, not when a single outage costs thousands directly, and untold thousands more in lost good will. In this case, anything cheaper is just too expensive.

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    8. Re:Remove the heat by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      (Yup. Ima 'merkin!)

      You do know what a merkin is, right? Right?

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    9. Re:Remove the heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This really depends on the output temp and other factors. Remember that if you expel air from the building, the air will be replaced by an equal volume drawn in from outside. If you're expelling 86 degree air and the temperature outside is 100 degrees, you haven't done your building A/C any favors.

    10. Re:Remove the heat by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      And then there's that whole pesky static pressure issue. Like if the building isn't sealed up much, you're creating a seriously negative pressure in the server room and dragging all the a/c in. Or if it's well sealed, you won't move much air out of the racks at all.

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    11. Re:Remove the heat by illumin8 · · Score: 1

      Your solution *sounds* nice, but in fact, may drive cooling bills UP.

      Where I live, it's routinely over 100 degrees (Yup. Ima 'merkin!) outside, today is expected to hit over 110. In order to provide a net savings, the hot air coming out from your server rack has to be even hotter than that, otherwise you're venting 90 degree air outside, then having to compensate for this by cooling down 110 degree air as it gets sucked into your building.

      Although his solution does have the advantage of using the building A/C instead of relying on server room A/C to pick up the slack. If his server room is a small room in a large building, this might be fine. If, on the other hand, it's a large server room in a small building, you probably want to stay away from this option.

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    12. Re:Remove the heat by An+anonymous+Frank · · Score: 1

      If air goes out, then, air must come in.

      At first I thought this might be interesting in the winter, y'know, pumping that lukewarm air into the rest of the building, as an indirect heating source.

      But there's only so much heat the staff is going to tolerate, and in the summer, well, if you reversed the flow, ..., you'd have a tad of a vicious cycle going.

    13. Re:Remove the heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And this problem is exacerbated if there is relatively high humidity.

      When I was a plant engineer in SC, we spend more money in power removing water from the air than to cool the air to 65 degrees. It was a textile plant so keeping it cool and the air dry was very important when making yarn with spinning machines. In fact, most of the year we did not run our AC units. The dehumidifiers cooled the air enough by themselves to keep the place cool despite the fact that the place used $125k of electricity (and thus created that much heat) per month for just the electric motors. Any outside air we had, like from loading docks being open or doors staying open during shift changes, required a lot of power to remove the water from the outside air.

  18. Turn off the servers by Bronster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, the coward shitteth you not. If you can't afford $600 to cool the room, then consolidate your services onto fewer machines and shut the others off, because they're obviously not making you enough money to be worth running.

    If, on the other hand, your boss is a cheapskate then do something like I did before - moved the servers out to my desk and stuck a honking big fan at one side to blow air past them. It had the very big plus side of being obvious to everyone that we had to keep the servers cool, and reminded them every day that the alternative was buying some aircon.

    1. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      let's face it the guy needs to find another job!

    2. Re:Turn off the servers by raddan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to mention-- adding another AC unit without that unit being tied into the same controller will cause problems for your AC units. They'll be turning on and shutting off more frequently. This will greatly affect the life of your AC units. If you're a hardware hacker, you can probably add capacity on the cheap by hacking your thermostat to coordinate multiple units. Otherwise, you really do just need to pony up and pay for the AC upgrade. Cool air is a basic business expense nowadays. If the people writing your budget don't see it that way, then your company is in trouble.

    3. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit.

      We had 2 racks full of servers and 2 AC units to cool them. I suggested slowly replacing the 30-40 single unit machines that do fuck all with 2-3 big boxes that have 8-16 cores and run VM's. Problem solved.

    4. Re:Turn off the servers by Trogre · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? Aren't all half-decent AC units these days inverter-based (ie running constantly)?

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    5. Re:Turn off the servers by ktappe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It had the very big plus side of being obvious to everyone that we had to keep the servers cool, and reminded them every day that the alternative was buying some aircon.

      Trying to re-educate the boss can easily backfire. When my company moved to a new building, ownership neglected to account for I.T. storage and workspace needs (workbench, shelving for spare monitors, PC's, cables, software, manuals, etc.) In protest (not wanting to turn my office into a store room), I stacked the stuff in the hallways of our nice new building. I thought this would give ownership the hint. Instead I got the evil eye from the owners and was outsourced shortly thereafter, despite seven years of service with consistently positive annual reviews.

      Many owners/bosses got to where they are by persuading others that they know more than they actually do. When you show them up, you become an obstacle to their ambition and ego. To their thinking, you, not the item they were wrong about, is what needs "fixing".

      Your boss refusing to pay $600 for A/C to keep thousands of dollars worth of servers running that (probably) contain data worth tens or even hundreds of thousands, is the real problem. But make sure you have calmly and unchallengingly made this clear to him/her. Use phrases like "The plant would be down X days if the servers fail due to heat. How much would that cost?"

      As for trying to rig something up yourself, I wouldn't unless you're a certified HVAC technician. Make that clear to the boss too (again as gently as you can). "I'm not trained in this. I don't want to accidentally take A/C away from anyone else--they have work to do to and we can't afford to lower their productivity." Again, make the costs of the lack of $600 apparent if you can.

      Good luck!

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    6. Re:Turn off the servers by Eil · · Score: 2, Informative

      I couldn't have said it better. It's not cheap to run a reliable server room. The hardware that you use to run your systems is rarely the biggest cost. If you need reliability, that means you need:

      * easy access to all machines
      * utility power
      * battery backups
      * backup generators
      * multiple network entry points
      * adequate cooling
      * redundant everything

      Among other stuff I'm probably forgetting. If you can't afford to build this yourself, it's really best in the long run to host your mission-critical machines in a datacenter that has all of this taken care of for you.

      Where I work, we have around 20 great big stonking AC units. These puppies run 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. I can't imagine the fat check our utility company receives each month, but it's clearly worth it since we never have servers die of heat-related problems.

    7. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...it's clearly worth it since we never have servers die of heat-related problems.

      I have a rock I'd like to sell you...

    8. Re:Turn off the servers by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trying to re-educate the boss can easily backfire. [...]
      In protest (not wanting to turn my office into a store room), I stacked the stuff in the hallways of our nice new building. I thought this would give ownership the hint.

      It sounds like you weren't trying to re-educate the boss. You were clumsily communicating.

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    9. Re:Turn off the servers by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      If you can't afford to build this yourself, it's really best in the long run to host your mission-critical machines in a datacenter that has all of this taken care of for you.

      I think that's the best advice I've seen so far in this thread.

      Clearly the company isn't really interested in maintaining a data centre, so it makes a lot of sense to outsource that to a company that is. The cost of a decent line to that centre could well end up being cheaper then the power and maintenance you need to do on an in-house data centre anyway.

      There's probably a few boxes that need to stay in your own machine room, but anything that doesn't need to be on the local network shouldn't be.

    10. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If, on the other hand, your boss is a cheapskate then do something like I did before - moved the servers out to my desk and stuck a honking big fan at one side to blow air past them. It had the very big plus side of being obvious to everyone that we had to keep the servers cool, and reminded them every day that the alternative was buying some aircon.

      Err, out to your desk? Fuck that. Stick the whole setup on the cheapskate bosses desk. Should drive the point home a bit faster.

    11. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It had the very big plus side of being obvious to everyone that we had to keep the servers cool, and reminded them every day that the alternative was buying some aircon.

      Trying to re-educate the boss can easily backfire. When my company moved to a new building, ownership neglected to account for I.T. storage and workspace needs (workbench, shelving for spare monitors, PC's, cables, software, manuals, etc.) In protest (not wanting to turn my office into a store room), I stacked the stuff in the hallways of our nice new building. I thought this would give ownership the hint. Instead I got the evil eye from the owners and was outsourced shortly thereafter, despite seven years of service with consistently positive annual reviews.

      Many owners/bosses got to where they are by persuading others that they know more than they actually do. When you show them up, you become an obstacle to their ambition and ego. To their thinking, you, not the item they were wrong about, is what needs "fixing".

      Your boss refusing to pay $600 for A/C to keep thousands of dollars worth of servers running that (probably) contain data worth tens or even hundreds of thousands, is the real problem. But make sure you have calmly and unchallengingly made this clear to him/her. Use phrases like "The plant would be down X days if the servers fail due to heat. How much would that cost?"

      As for trying to rig something up yourself, I wouldn't unless you're a certified HVAC technician. Make that clear to the boss too (again as gently as you can). "I'm not trained in this. I don't want to accidentally take A/C away from anyone else--they have work to do to and we can't afford to lower their productivity." Again, make the costs of the lack of $600 apparent if you can.

      Good luck!

      It had the very big plus side of being obvious to everyone that we had to keep the servers cool, and reminded them every day that the alternative was buying some aircon.

      Trying to re-educate the boss can easily backfire. When my company moved to a new building, ownership neglected to account for I.T. storage and workspace needs (workbench, shelving for spare monitors, PC's, cables, software, manuals, etc.) In protest (not wanting to turn my office into a store room), I stacked the stuff in the hallways of our nice new building. I thought this would give ownership the hint. Instead I got the evil eye from the owners and was outsourced shortly thereafter, despite seven years of service with consistently positive annual reviews.

      Many owners/bosses got to where they are by persuading others that they know more than they actually do. When you show them up, you become an obstacle to their ambition and ego. To their thinking, you, not the item they were wrong about, is what needs "fixing".

      Your boss refusing to pay $600 for A/C to keep thousands of dollars worth of servers running that (probably) contain data worth tens or even hundreds of thousands, is the real problem. But make sure you have calmly and unchallengingly made this clear to him/her. Use phrases like "The plant would be down X days if the servers fail due to heat. How much would that cost?"

      As for trying to rig something up yourself, I wouldn't unless you're a certified HVAC technician. Make that clear to the boss too (again as gently as you can). "I'm not trained in this. I don't want to accidentally take A/C away from anyone else--they have work to do to and we can't afford to lower their productivity." Again, make the costs of the lack of $600 apparent if you can.

      Good luck!

      You were outsourced because you took a pathetic passive aggressive approach and got in everyone's way by putting things in the hall. You should have articulated your needs in English, not passive aggressive actions.

    12. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Law 1

      Never Outshine the Master

      Always make those above you feel comfortably superior. In your desire to please or impress them, do not go too far in displaying your talents or you might accomplish the opposite - inspire fear and insecurity. Make your masters appear more brilliant than they are and you will attain the heights of power.

    13. Re:Turn off the servers by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      I was all set for a "I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter." when I decided to JFGI and found the source.

      Thank you! It was a great read!

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    14. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If, on the other hand, your boss is a cheapskate then do something like I did before - moved the servers out to my desk and stuck a honking big fan at one side to blow air past them. It had the very big plus side of being obvious to everyone that we had to keep the servers cool, and reminded them every day that the alternative was buying some aircon.

      Or you could just put two box fans in the doorway of your server room: Put one at floor level blowing in to push in cooler air, and one towards the top of the door blowing out into the hallway to exhaust the warmer air.

      My roommate and I used to do this in college in our non-air conditioned dorm. Worked like a charm.

    15. Re:Turn off the servers by raddan · · Score: 1

      It depends on your requirements. If you're going to be at full cooling load all of the time, it's better to go with a traditional unit. That's what we have, as our unit was chosen based on the expected heat load for the room (6 tons). But if your expected heat load is not constant, you're right, it would probably be better to go with an inverter-based unit. For our heat load, an inverter unit would have been cost-prohibitive and also unnecessary.

    16. Re:Turn off the servers by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      The problem I have with data centers is that when your internet or T1 connections go down, your almost completely out of production for the duration.

      I know it would be rare, but I know a company who within the last year or so went to a data centers for a few apps including their CRM and customer scheduling. Now this wasn't a problem until not one but two construction sites dug through underground phone bundles that left them without any access for 3 days the first time and 4 or 5 days the second. Interestingly, the telephones worked but no t1 access and no internet access. and 25 employees sharing a dial up connection just didn't cut it.

      BTW, the had a T1 to the data center as well as were able to access the servers through a VPN on the internet. Evidently, at the telecoms level, all these data lines traveled through the same bundles or something. Or maybe the telecoms were able to reroute the telephone lines for the duration or something. They now mirror the servers back in house which sort of defeats the point of the data center but it's their dime.

    17. Re:Turn off the servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been there, been that. First "real" job out of college. Our team's project was succeeding and quickly becoming the star of the company. I ran into the CEO, and invited him to come have a look at the latest build. He loved it.

      Shortly afterwards, one his henchmen got wind and derailed the project so he could take control of it in the aftermath. The rest of my team quit and I stayed. The rising star product was deader than a doornail. I was "the problem" to this man now as my continued employment was a glaring reminder of what had happened. The product was still in heavy use and I performed maintenance and upgrades to it on the side, but my svn checkins were emailed out to the devgroup, which included said henchman, putting a burr under his saddle each time.

      About 8 months later, I quit as well, having gained some very interesting experience with politics-in-the-workplace. New workplace has a less impressive technology stack, but the pay is good, and no-one with a capital 'C' on the front of their title is head-hunting me anymore.

  19. Cheaper? Really? by DogDude · · Score: 1

    A 20 amp socket, if you're in the US is required for all commercial buildings. You don't have to pay for that. But $600 and a hole in a wall is too much $$ for a server room? That's pretty crazy. One server probably costs more than that. What are you looking for, dry ice and a fan?

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  20. Holy crap! you're complaining about that cheap? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    You have less than $2500.00 in cost there. Cripes the Libert unit in the server room here cost me $15,000 to have complete. $600 is dirt cheap $2500 is dirt cheap for what you are looking at.

    Even if you did the Half-arse way and put 4 window air conditioners in the wall you still need the electrician to run wires.

    You'll still come out the same price.

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    1. Re:Holy crap! you're complaining about that cheap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Liebert" makes complete systems. And guarantees them. The way to go for mission critical stuff.

      Raised floor stuff, like in the old days, is just like raised floor stuff from the new days.

      Take the daily business REVENUES and divide it by
      any downtime you have expierenced. That will give a basic value for per hour downtime it costs to the company. If they can stand a long downtime with no real monetary loss, then the cheap way is going to prevail.

  21. Cost of doing business by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 5, Informative
    You can cut corners - but if a 20 Amp circuit + $600 for a cheap unit is scaring you off, you are out of your league.

    Bite the bullet and get what you need right the first time, because the repair and replace if it isn't done correctly will make $1500 seem like a drop in the bucket...

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    1. Re:Cost of doing business by Ryan+Stortz · · Score: 1

      I agree that you're out of your league, but there are some alternative methods for cooling your server room.

      One of the most ingenious I've heard of (right here on /. even), is to strike a deal with your neighbors to provide heating for their businesses. It basically gives you a big heat sink and you may even be able to get away with charging a little for your services. This is assuming you're located in an area where heating is a concern for a large portion of the year.

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    2. Re:Cost of doing business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he might need a real System Administrator too, or he might need to read BOFH to gain an understanding how these problems are solved :-)

  22. MovinCool by Swampcritter · · Score: 1

    I recommend taking a look at MovinCool (www.movincool.com) products.

  23. A Big fan. by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really I have been wondering if one of those big fans like I see on some restaurant kitchens would help our server room.
    Suck the hot air out and draw cold air from the rest of the building in.

    Honestly a better solution is to reduce the heat.
    How many servers are you running? How many are old PIV class machines?
    How many could you replace with say new low heat Intel or AMD based systems.
    Have you looked at building a few BIG boxes with new CPUs and running Zen or VMWare on them. Cut the total number of servers down.

    It maybe cheaper to get new more efficient servers than to upgrade the AC. Not to mention the down time you may have when they install the new AC.
    You may want to look at making less heat before you spend money on better cooling.

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    1. Re:A Big fan. by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      Suck the hot air out and draw cold air from the rest of the building in.

      Except that the negative pressure you've created in the rest of the building will draw air in from outside. If it's hot out (or too wet/dry), this air must now be cooled (conditioned). All you've done is move the problem out of the machine room to the rest of the building. And now you have to make sure the building A/C can keep up (it's not just the machines getting uncomfortable now).

    2. Re:A Big fan. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      True I was assuming that the rest of the building's AC can keep up other wise it is a loosing battle.
      I still say the best choice is to make less heat.

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    3. Re:A Big fan. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Negative pressure notwithstanding, the downside is that during cooling months you'll add a latent heat load to the building. You'd be better off putting in two fans which cross ventilate the server room, pulling air from the rest of the building, through the server room, then back out to the building. This might be partially accomplished by re-routing the return to pull a large portion of the recirculated air from the room and getting grates/louvers for the doors. Of course, that will fuck up the building load balancing. I suppose if you only had one wall, you could put a small air conditioner on an _interior_ wall and provide a drip cup for the condensate. You should have very little condensate since the room is already conditioned, and in the winter you'll have the advantage of heating the rest of the building with the waste heat from the servers. It will be more efficient in the summer since it's working against a cooler sink temperature. Also, you won't need to worry about exterior wall penetrations and flashing. Of course, having a heat source - and a noisy one at that - facing into an interior space is bound to cause some griping from the rest of the staff.

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    4. Re:A Big fan. by xperimental · · Score: 1

      So when you first put it in, only run the fan really slowly. Ramp it up over a few week, nobody will suspect that's why the office is getting warmer, and the office aircon will be upgraded. That's a brilliant plan!

    5. Re:A Big fan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I did - one rack of servers in a fairly small room. big industrial fan unit about a foot across venting to the outside, rack placed a couple of feet in front of this, and then some vents drilled through the bottom of the door out into the corridor. Only slight snag is spiders taking up residence in the servers as the huge airflow must bring them lots of tiny insects !

  24. ...oh and we can't afford a heating consultant by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    so we're asking slashdot for a bunch of stupid answers.

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    1. Re:...oh and we can't afford a heating consultant by indifferent+children · · Score: 1

      IANAHVACE

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  25. keginator by bugs2squash · · Score: 5, Funny

    from your budget, you clearly only have one server in play, so put it in a refrigerator.

    Cut a hole in the door to let the cables in and seal around them with that expanding foam stuff in a spray can.

    Sounds like that would max out your budget.

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    1. Re:keginator by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      If the room is that hot with only one server in play, the room is probably the garage of a house, in which case he just needs to follow this simple procedure:

      1.) Get a large cardboard box. Poke holes in the top for ventilating hot air out.
      2.) Cut a big hole in the side of the box.
      3.) Wrap box with insulation.
      4.) Put computer in box.
      5.) Knock big hole in wall between garage and main house with a sledgehammer.
      6.) Place the box with the hole in its side flush against the hole in the wall.
      7.) Place box fan in the house, situated to blow air into the hole.

      And Voila, cheap cooling. Alternatively, you could put the server in the main house, but seriously, that's just a cheap hack of a solution.

      Also, he should ask for his pay in cash in the future, because the company clearly has no operating capital and will probably be bouncing checks very soon.

    2. Re:keginator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful, you'd better watch out for frost byte.

    3. Re:keginator by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 4, Funny

      1.) Get a large cardboard box.
      2.) Cut a big hole in the side of the box.

      I remember now, Andy Samberg did a how-to video about this on SNL.

    4. Re:keginator by ammaro · · Score: 1

      Yes, but do it with style. Buy a small refrigerator, spray paint it gray, add rails, and rack mount the sucker. Just make sure you put the servers in the top of the fridge and the beer in the bottom so you don't risk server damage from leaks.

    5. Re:keginator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      interesting... i wonder if someone did it already...

      the best i could find is this : www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOw_lwaEi3o

    6. Re:keginator by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      But with all the windows, my house is actually hotter than my home wiring closet during the summer!

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  26. People coolers by eggfoolr · · Score: 1

    Don't use people coolers, those stand alone AC units are not designed for 24x7 operation. I have seen computer rooms fry when they have been used because when they fail they fail spectacularly!

    Bight the bullet and install a proper unit. The first time your people cooler dies, it will cost you more than proper AC.

    1. Re:People coolers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We tried cheap consumer air conditioners in a small room that would get 86F from servers even though it was -20F outside. Eventually started using a Mitsubishi PKA-A12GA split air conditioner that runs 24/7, and amazingly this thing will still cool down the room with an outside air temperature near -40F. Like everyone else says, though, it was in the $6000-$10,000 range. Moving to the arctic does not really help a small enclosed room with even a few servers in it.

    2. Re:People coolers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A duct to the outside + a fan.

      Can I have "$6000-$10,000"???

      Seriously, though, if you have such cold air available, use it! Thru a heat-exchanger if you are worried about the hunidity, etc. But use it!

    3. Re:People coolers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't assume we did not try duct + fan, does not work in the summer, sun shines on one of the walls of the room.

  27. Law of natural consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let it be the way it is until servers fail and cause outages. When it hurts the business enough, you'll get the budget you need to do it right.

  28. It depends by quarkie68 · · Score: 1

    The temperature 30+ says nothing to me. If I know the area of your machine room, the total number of watts from your equipment, maybe I can be more specific. FYI, I have eliminated the drainage issue by installing a small 12V pump myself and getting the pipes to the nearest kitchen sink, so no drilling on external walls.

  29. There's nothing you can do except open the windows by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're talking about concern over $600 price points, then all is lost. It sounds like you don't have the money to provide proper A/C to a residential home much less a commercial server room. I suggest you look into co-locating your servers to a real data center and pay a monthly fee. You'll have lower up front costs and your PHB probably isn't smart enough to recognize the long-term implications.

    Good luck.

  30. The best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install Linux, problem solved.

  31. Just one question? by SolarStorm · · Score: 1

    What company do you work for that can afford multiple servers at 10k each, give or take, and a server room and then balks at the price of an air conditioner? I like the idea of letting it fail, then going to your boss with downtime costs and recovery costs (you do have a recovery plan?) Then mention that the $600 plus looks pretty good.

    1. Re:Just one question? by gdog05 · · Score: 1

      You don't even have to wait for it to fail. Telling the boss that they are in the process of failing and handing him a printout of what it costs to replace stuff, and then say "it's ok, but we're gonna need to spend a little money on A/C or that will happen." You'd be amazed at how fast wheels get greased.

    2. Re:Just one question? by plover · · Score: 1

      You don't even have to wait for it to fail. Telling the boss that they are in the process of failing and handing him a printout of what it costs to replace stuff, and then say "it's ok, but we're gonna need to spend a little money on A/C or that will happen." You'd be amazed at how fast wheels get greased.

      I doubt it. The guy seems to think $600 is a lot of money, and that it'll somehow be "cost effective" to cobble in a window air conditioner. To me that says "update your resume, Junior, because if your boss is complaining about $600 your next paycheck is going to bounce faster than a speeding bullet."

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  32. Can't just add ductwork by taradfong · · Score: 3, Informative

    In your posting you talked about adding ducts to steal A/C from a second unit. To work decently you would need to not only add a new output duct 'run', but also a new return 'run' (that is, unless the 2 units share a network of return ducting).

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  33. F/OSS by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...You can use standard window units

    Maybe he has a F/OSS shop. Geeze!

  34. Do it right by dkf · · Score: 2, Informative

    What sort of sucessful cheaper air coniditoning solutions have you come up with?

    You've already found the cheap option. Your best bet is to not skimp (unless you like cooking hardware, assuming a reasonable growth rate in computing power under your care) though some of the steps you can take (e.g. hot/cold aisles) are really just rearranging your existing kit and adding some sheet metal work. But that doesn't allow you to skimp on getting adequate cooling. (If you want to know what "adequate cooling" is, ask a real expert; the answer depends on lots of facts you've not revealed.)

    Be aware that in large datacenters, the cost of keeping them cool will usually dominate. Really. Be prepared to be your A/C salesman's good customer...

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  35. Can't you have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't you have like, air blowing up from the bottom of the building, through the room, and then out the top? Like a PC case? Sure it doesn't have to go straight up obviously because the rain would get in. But if you have it go out the roof anyway out a chimney it would work. I guarantee it!!!

  36. Check the basement by spribyl · · Score: 1

    This may seem a bit odd but try the basement of the building. Basements are usually cooler then the upper floors.
    Simply blow the cooler basement air into your server room.

    The down side of this is moisture and the outside chance of CO poisoning.

    1. Re:Check the basement by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      And when all of the cool basement air is heated, then what? It's unlikely that the surface area of a basement the size of a server room will dissipate the heat created by a room full of machines. It might help, marginally, but I doubt the benefit will be significant enough to make someone decide to move machines there.

      Now, drill some holes deep into the ground, and run a network of fluid-filled pipes through them, and you might be in business (figuratively speaking). I suspect this will be expensive.

    2. Re:Check the basement by amorsen · · Score: 1

      Now, drill some holes deep into the ground, and run a network of fluid-filled pipes through them, and you might be in business (figuratively speaking). I suspect this will be expensive.

      It is not all that uncommon. It works best if the year-round average temperature is relatively low, of course.

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    3. Re:Check the basement by T3Tech · · Score: 1

      Ground based cooling tubes - air or water - (the common terms are what earth tubes, geothermal?) is certainly a cheaper to run alternative, but the initial cost could be prohibitive. Such solutions make more sense to implement in the initial design and construction of a building and I imagine retrofitting could be entirely impossible for some places.

      Then there's always evaporative cooling which as I understand costs less to run than traditional AC, but is more suited to certain geographic locations than it is to others and can be rather expensive to begin with.

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  37. Fund raiser and cooling at same time. by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 4, Funny
    Better yet, rent the room out for birthday parties with those big 5 gallon tubs of ice cream. Put fans on the ice cream to cool the room and it helps to serve it because it'll be softer. Then when you have enough money for an air conditioning unit and contracting work, cancel the ice cream parties.

    See! Problem solved!

  38. Submerge the servers in Fluorinert ... by NealAbq · · Score: 1

    ... and don't forget the waterfall.

  39. Multiple aircon may be inadvisable by harryjohnston · · Score: 1

    I'm no expert, but according to our consultants if more than one aircon unit is serving the same area they will conflict and one or the other (or both) will be likely to fail. (This even applies to leaving a door open between two rooms that are served by different units.)

    I've got to admit that I've never quite understood their explanations as to why this is, but FYI.

    1. Re:Multiple aircon may be inadvisable by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      I've heard this too. I always assumed it was for the same reason you don't want an air conditioner too large for the space it's cooling: it ends up cycling too quickly/frequently. It sounds perfectly reasonable to have a second a/c unit on standby, however, in case the first fails.

  40. Iceland and a window fan by olddoc · · Score: 0, Troll

    Move the servers to Iceland and get a window fan.

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  41. How much are your servers worth? by Puffy+Director+Pants · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, you ask yourself how much your servers are worth, what it'd cost to replace them, or do without them, and then you can factor in how much you should spend on setting up your cooling. There are several ways to do that, but few of them are cheap, and if your systems are at all valuable, you shouldn't balk at spending thousands on your needs. Since it seems 600 dollars is too much for you, all I can suggest is looking at your ventilation, or possibly replacement of your existing systems with more energy-efficient ones.

  42. You need that hole by James+Youngman · · Score: 1

    Forget drainage, you need a hole in the wall to let out the hot air that the air conditioner produces as waste.

  43. Discussed this with an A/C tech friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    My buddy, who pulls six figures doing A/C installs and consulting (and earns every penny), discussed this with me a couple months ago. Basically, good A/C is as complicated as putting together a good database. There's air flow and direction and insulation and compression and all sorts of things you'd never even consider. You can get by without training, but you should expect it to fail, and badly.

    Depending on the size and population of your server room, you might expect to need a couple of $10K cooler units on the roof. Call your local industrial-service A/C or ducting guys and get an estimate for your BTUs and target temperature. That cost will make your boss cry- but give him a list of what the equipment in the rack would cost to replace and he'll sign off on it.

    You wouldn't want the A/C guy to design your db, your boss shouldn't expect you to put together a good A/C solution.

    1. Re:Discussed this with an A/C tech friend. by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's a good way to go and I'm happy someone had enough sense to actually bring it up.

      The first step is to figure out how much cooling you actually need. If you're running commercial grade hardware the BTU/Hr heat output should be listed on the spec sheets. Add it up.

      If you're running unrated consumer grade hardware, consider looking for another job. Failing that, though, you can guestimate the heat load by adding up the max output of all the power supplies in the room, multiply by 1.25 (account for PSU efficiency, wiggle room) then convert watts to BTU/Hr by multiplying again by 3.41 (Not Pi - read carefully...)

      You'll need an AC unit that meets or exceeds this BTU/Hr rating. I would recommend a split/ductless system for ease of installation: One unit sits outside on a (preferably concrete) pad, the other half hangs on the wall, and you only need a fist-sized hole in the wall to run the pipes and wiring. Such an installation is a pro job, though.

      If you insist on going it alone, then portable AC units (as some have mentioned) are your second best bet - just need an exhaust duct, typically 6-8 inch diameter. Most units will evaporate any condensation into the exhaust air.
      =Smidge=

  44. What are you really trying to do? by nenya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think there's a basic unanswered question here that will determine which of the above types of solutions you aim for.

    If you're trying to make the actual server room a more pleasant place to be, you really do need to look into additional A/C capacity, and that's just not gonna be cheap.

    But if all you're trying to do is keep your servers from overheating, there may be other ways of doing this. It could involve dedicated A/C units, but needn't necessarily. Non-A/C options include installing fans (not Wal-Mart box fans, something more permanent; talk to a local HVAC contractor), opening windows, installing specialized vent ducts, etc.

    Either way, you're probably going to want to get HVAC in there. Proper cooling for computers, especially servers, is something like proper insurance for driving a car: the question isn't whether you can afford it, it's whether you can afford not to have it.

  45. Liquid Cooling! by Greyfox · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Immerse your server room in Flourinet!

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    1. Re:Liquid Cooling! by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      Curses you beat me! Fluorinert has definately got it's advantages. Once you get past the enormous startup costs, all you'd need is an appropriately sized radiator outside and the cost to run a liquid pump at a surprisingly low volume.

    2. Re:Liquid Cooling! by Pontiac · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah.. great idea..
      On his budget you could afford about 1/2 gallon of the stuff.. maybe he could keep his iPod cool when he's roasting in the server room.

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    3. Re:Liquid Cooling! by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Yeah, plus you get to wear cool SCUBA gear whenever you have to change a board or system out! How cool would that be?

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  46. ahh let it go by nomadic · · Score: 1

    Just leave it as it is. Yes everyone likes to put their professional demeanor on and make proper recommendations and use words like BTU and SEER, but everyone here has seen a bunch of servers jammed into a poorly ventilated closet work just fine. Computers have pretty high tolerances for heat, and usually the worst that happens is the computer will shut down if it gets really bad. I remember one place I worked had modems that got so hot you couldn't touch them; every once in a while they'd stop working because of it but you'd just sort of jostle them around and they'd cool off just fine and start working again.

    1. Re:ahh let it go by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Ummm....hardware has higher failure rates at higher temperatures. Plus downtime costs involved in having their servers unavailable during said downtime (Which *WILL* occur with greater frequency given a higher temperature)

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    2. Re:ahh let it go by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Plus downtime costs involved in having their servers unavailable during said downtime

      They are worried about $600

      This suggests that downtime isn't costing a lot.

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  47. Enviromaster Ductless by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    Prices should start around 3 - 4 k installed.

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  48. Target the problem, not a symptom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you considered consolidating your servers?

    Machines with low load could be consolidated into one, by virtualizing or config-fu. This is a good option if you've got lots of older single-core units.

    If you have fewer machines belching heat, you need less energy to cool them.

  49. $600 is probably already to cheap... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    You get what you pay for in terms of reliability, electicity consumption and power. I expect that server-room grade AC will be a bit more expensive than that.

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  50. Doing it cheap doesn't work. by richardkelleher · · Score: 1

    You should not consider trying to do this on the cheap. If you keep in mind the cost of early equipment failures, installing a real dedicated AC unit becomes less costly. Check out a Mini-Split unit. Some of them have very high efficiencies and they do not require any ducting, just two lines to transfer the coolant and a drain line to get rid of moisture and power of course.

  51. Lots of Options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are several alternatives:

    1. ask to see the service level agreement (SLA) that defines your servers' uptime, availability, data loss, security, etc. If he has none, then simply drop the subject - whatever you do is AOK

    Assuming you do have a service level to respect and no money to spend, then

    2. Get a few ceiling fans and hang them below the ceiling blowing up through missing tiles into the air space above the ceiling. Open the main door to let cool air from the rest of the office in. Barbed wire filling the open door space will definitely qualify for security *see SLA above

    3. Provide him with an estimate of costs and downtime to replace several servers because of overheating. Note to him that warranties don't necessarily apply either, if the machines are abused.

    4. Start looking for a job where the management can see the light of day from where their routinely keep their head.

    Please note, some of these options are tongue in cheek. Choose which ones ...

  52. Don't do cheap AC or cheap power... by volxdragon · · Score: 1

    BIGGEST mistakes you can make on a server room is going cheap/unreliable cooling and power, you'll regret both when you have a room full of burned-up toasters.

  53. 12000 BTU of cool by jhines · · Score: 1

    The LG LWHD1200R I got for my girl in Fla is working fine. Got it from compactappliances.com delivered via UPS. No shipping or taxes, such a deal. Plugs into regular outlet.

    No problems, just store "right side up" overnight to let the oil resettle if UPS didn't follow the sticker. And remove the manual and instructions before you run it.

  54. Here's a tool to help you out by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    OK, here's a way to approach the problem.

    APC sells racks with integrated cooling. They have an online configurator program. Run the configurator, fill in your info, and you'll get a rack design.

    Try changing the "watts per rack" number. Watch what happens as the configurator adds air conditioning units and fans. Note that as the power density goes up, the cost goes way up.

    This is where they start to ask questions like "Do we really need a Web 2.0 web site?" Now you're starting to get the picture.

    I'm not partticularly recommending APC. They just happen to have a useful online tool, one which can give you something to take to your bosses to give them a sense of the costs as you add more equipment to a rack.

  55. try a big-ass fan.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.bigassfans.com/

  56. Dual Air Conditioning Issues by billstewart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Steven Wright has a line about "I bought a humidifier and a dehumidifier and put them together in a room to fight it out." That was what happened with our dual A/C system in the first computer room I helped build, back in the early 80s to support our VAXes. We had a couple of chilled-water Liebert units that were bigger than the computers, and management had decided to get two of them so we'd never lose cooling. Turned out we couldn't actually run them both at once, though I don't remember if they were fighting more about temperature or humidity - one unit would be pushing a bunch of cold dry air under the floor, which would blow into the sensors of the other unit, which would push a bunch of warm wet air under the floor, etc. And any time there was a power failure, the A/C wouldn't automatically restart, but the VAX would, so if this happened overnight or on a weekend, the room would reach 130 degrees (F), at which point the power system would decide their might be a fire and shut everything down until the room got cooler - which would take a while, since it wouldn't let us use the A/C. So we'd get in on Monday morning, have to open the back doors to the lab and go steal desk fans.

    My late-90s lab had much smaller equipment - a bunch of routers and PCs in an enclosed office - but it still generated enough heat that we needed extra A/C. We didn't own the building, and the A/C unit that the landlord put in the ceiling would occasionally ice up and start dripping water onto our desk, but fortunately it usually missed the rack. For a couple of weeks during one of the A/C repairs, they gave us a big standalone thing that blew cool air into the room and warm air out through the ceiling ductwork. It had enough room in the top to chill a couple of bottles of wine, so our winetasting that month did whites.

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    1. Re:Dual Air Conditioning Issues by afidel · · Score: 1

      Yep, our friendly Liebert installer told us this AFTER he had installed our second CRAC unit, too bad the presales engineer failed to mention the need for a control computer to us when we were setting the project budget! For now we switch units quarterly and leave the idle one in standby so if our pager goes off all someone has to do is go in and press one button. We have environmental monitoring from like everything in the datacenter including the A/C units, servers, UPS's and even a managed third party monitoring from our building alarm company. It sucks but it will have to do for now since it came in after we had submitted next years budget as well =( At least we were told before we prematurely wore out our equipment =)

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    2. Re:Dual Air Conditioning Issues by lucm · · Score: 1

      > Steven Wright has a line about "I bought a humidifier and a dehumidifier and put them together in a room to fight it out."

      This reminds me of the "Iceland Express": a 25-gallon trash bin with the lid upside-down and covered with holes, on which an intern was tasked to maintain a huge pile of convenience-store crushed ice until the A/C was fixed. Add three hi-speed fans and a 30$ dehumidifier and you get maybe 27 Celsius in a small room. It was one of those "hey it works" moment.

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    3. Re:Dual Air Conditioning Issues by Brian+Ristuccia · · Score: 1

      [...]We had a couple of chilled-water Liebert units that were bigger than the computers, and management had decided to get two of them so we'd never lose cooling. Turned out we couldn't actually run them both at once, though I don't remember if they were fighting more about temperature or humidity - one unit would be pushing a bunch of cold dry air under the floor, which would blow into the sensors of the other unit, which would push a bunch of warm wet air under the floor, etc. [...]

      Newer Liebert DS computer room air conditioner systems have a teamwork mode that helps units cooperate instead of competing. A network-wide election occurs to determine if the system will heat/cool and if the humidifiers will run. Unfortunately, this gear is expensive enough that it will make the original poster's $600 pricetag seem like pocket change...

    4. Re:Dual Air Conditioning Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We just normally crack the windows a bit

  57. Use cold outside air by Rudolfo · · Score: 1

    If the outside air is cold (winter, night, etc.) blowing it into the server room costs next to nothing.

    Of course, if it's humid outside air, it may not be a good idea.

  58. Please DO NOT cut corners on this by georgewilliamherbert · · Score: 1

    I have seen multiple server rooms full of systems ruined by A/C related failures (directly via overheating, indirectly by fires or sprinkler discharges after A/C failures).

    Don't skimp!

    Tell your employer to spend the money needed to get a proper A/C installation. "portable" units are ok - if they're professional grade, not home grade, and properly drained and wired and vent ducted. Permanent installation units are better, generally - cheaper for given tonnage of rating.

    In either case, put in environmental monitoring ($400 or less) to send out alerts if it gets too hot or something else goes wrong.

    IT folks tend to either not understand or not believe in the significance of getting facilities right. Experienced IT folks, with decades in the industry, know better. Take our advice - spend the money, get it right.

    Figure out what your actual power is, what the UPS capacity is (remember, if the A/C isn't on UPS but the systems are, after a power failure the room will start heating up until the UPS is exhausted!). Definitely install monitoring (can be cheaper than any rackmount server is).

  59. Bosses Office by CambodiaSam · · Score: 1

    Distribute the servers in conspicuous places around the office, with your Bosses office as the home of the most loud and obnoxious machines.

    This won't solve your cooling problem, but it might solve your budget issue if you don't get fired.

  60. Two good resources on cooling by 1sockchuck · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looking at the cooling issue more broadly, here are a couple of resources that provide good information on techniques to optimize cooling on a budget:

    The Hot Aisle: Great blog from Steve O'Donnell with practical ways to implement hot-aisle or cold-aisle containment and economizers.

    Data Center Knowledge: Recent articles look at "roll your own" thermal monitoring solutions and using excess heat in swimming pools and greenhouses.

  61. Go Geothermal! by haemish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I once had to do essentially this in a slightly unusual situation: the server room was by an outside wall, and on the other side of the wall they were about to put in a new lawn. We just dug down extra deep (about 4 feet) and got about 100 feet of 6' diameter corrugated plastic drainpipe (intended to be buried, the corrugations make it somewhat flexible), covered it with dirt+lawn, and finally put a fan on one end and recirculated the server room air through this. Only had to buy a fan and the pipe, and the long-term power bills were almost zero (just the fan). And it's incredibly reliable.

    1. Re:Go Geothermal! by Craig+Davison · · Score: 1

      Isn't that more of a heat exchanger than geothermal? Geothermal is drawing heat from (typically) deep in the earth.

      And I hope you meant 6" pipe! Imagining the stonehenge effect, in reverse...

  62. 1 grand isn't bad by jsimon12 · · Score: 1

    So all told you are talking about $1,000 dollars for AC? Frankly that is a pretty cheap solution for datacenter cooling.

  63. Get a Better Job by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, I'm all for maximizing economic efficiency, but you can't cool for free.

    "Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

    There are some great options for minimizing the ongoing costs of cooling:

    • Use your chilled water supply to cool the room - pump server heat into 50 degree street water and serve the building 53 degree street water. win (unless you live in a desert, then bad)
    • Use a geothermal heat sink to take your excess heat. Or water if you have a stream or pond nearby.
    • In the right climate, just use an air/air heat pump.

    But any of those are going to take some investment. Remember, server acquisition cost is 1/3 of the total budget, the other 2/3 includes electricity and cooling, more than maintenance costs, on average.

    Like others have said, virtualize, slow your CPU clocks, take unused disks offline, replace your power supplies, all good, but if your servers aren't worth $600 to cool (and therefor keep operational), how the heck do they justify your salary to run them? (hint: maybe they don't)

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    1. Re:Get a Better Job by coryking · · Score: 1

      And for that fucking matter how much time (read, cost) does it take to do things like:

      Like others have said, virtualize, slow your CPU clocks, take unused disks offline, replace your power supplies

      When I first read this, I read it as $6000 and thought "oh, that is kinda cheap". Once I realized it was $600, well... heh... whoever this person is needs to either get a new job or they are like 18 and are still used to white-boxing their computers and doing everything on the cheap.

    2. Re:Get a Better Job by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      And for that fucking matter how much time (read, cost) does it take to do things like

      Yeah, but it fits the "he's probably not doing anything anyway" mentality. I know, alarm bells everywhere.

      are still used to white-boxing their computers, and doing everything on the cheap

      Whitebox'ing tends to be bi-modal on the cost/quality curve! (when everything you can buy off the shelf is "cheap, underspec'ed crap")

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    3. Re:Get a Better Job by coryking · · Score: 1

      Trust me from learned experience, do *not* try to build your own servers. Fry's is *not* open at 2am and trust me, servers have a strong bias for hardware failure (they never do it during the day when you are around for some reason).

      And honestly, while I enjoy building my own desktop computers and have done so for the computer I use for business, I'll never do it again for the same reason. You simply cannot afford to fuck around with your computer when it breaks down. It is worth every penny to get a good service plan and let Dell drive to your home/business and replace a busted video card. A million times more so for your servers...

      In short, white boxing is great for a home computer, but if money is on the line when it goes down, you are a fool (like I was) to not purchase a "real" computer with a good support plan.

    4. Re:Get a Better Job by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I guess it depends where you live. Most of the vendors won't even provide support contracts up where I live, since it's more than 2 hours outside of a metro area. Some of them will send me parts overnight, if I call soon enough in the day. If the machine fails at 6PM on Friday, it's SOL until Monday morning.

      I build servers when I can't buy one that meets the requirements, but buy one when I can. This happens for all kinds of reasons. But I never design an architecture that would be adversely affected by the loss of any single part or server, and I instrument everything, so I can sleep well at night.

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  64. i work at a site with a fairly big data center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i.e. several thousand servers. We only have to AC it for a few days a year (including probably today, since it's hot). Except on unusually hot days, we blow outside air through the building with fans and we have exhaust ports in the ceiling and roof for this purpose. This saves a huge amount of electricity over our old setup. I'm just a code geek so I haven't actually visited the data center yet, but maybe I'll take some pictures if I get there for some reason.

  65. Don't cut corners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $600 won't get you an air conditioning unit suitable for any server room, let alone cover installation costs.
    I'd suggest requesting a budget the is sufficient for the job at hand. You can't cut corners for a job like this, particularly if you actually value your data and uptime.
    Possibly you could roof mount several units, and have a single heat exchanger for all of them. The holes required for the plumbing are actually not particularly large. The pipes to the heat exchanger can go through either the walls or ceiling, depending on the physical location of your room. It will probably cost more to have someone plumb the units than it will to have an electrician do the wiring. Hire professionals - they will do both.
    I'd say that 20A is to low. 20A @ 240V is only ~4.8KW. You aren't going to get many servers in your room with only 20A.
    Your room temperature is far to high. I'd remove the servers to alternate locations until you can control this. 18-20C should really be your target.

  66. Open the window by TheDreadedGMan · · Score: 1

    If you can afford a window, open it.

    The outside air is probably cooler then the inside air... if it's not, tough luck, you can't afford anything else.

  67. missing info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your missing key information: wjat is the size of the server room. how many servers there is...

    Honestly a small room a cheap 150$ 5K BTU unit will do the job, add a external temp sensor to computer that will page you when temp rise above X

  68. Heat pipe by Meor · · Score: 1

    Dig a hole, install pipe + water + pump, sink heat in to the ground. Ongoing costs = electricity to run a pump that only has to overcome fluid friction loss within the pipe. Cost variance over a year through different seasons = 0 since the ground in mostly a constant temp unlike an AC unit trying to sink heat to the air in the summer.

  69. you can use a split system 2.5Ton colling solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    costs around 3-5kUS

  70. the BEST solution by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    knock out one of the walls and put in one of those movie hurricane fans that are like 10 feet tall and run on a v8 engine :D Then crank it up! It'll move air through that place so fast, the temp inside will be the temp outside! Now I'm from Wisconsin so that's rarely a problem but in like CA that'd be bad. But seriously, if $600 is out of your budget, you need to simply move the hot air out. Buy some ducting and install like a 12" fan in the ceiling (where the hot air goes) that blows down the duct and into the hallway or the closest large room. That's kinda what I do in my room at home cuz it goes up about 5 degrees Fahrenheit per hour of 3D gaming. So I blast it all out into the living room with a fan and it cools in back down to normal in about 3 minutes

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    1. Re:the BEST solution by plover · · Score: 1

      But seriously, if $600 is out of your budget, you need to simply move the hot air out. Buy some ducting and install like a 12" fan in the ceiling (where the hot air goes) that blows down the duct and into the hallway or the closest large room. That's kinda what I do in my room at home cuz it goes up about 5 degrees Fahrenheit per hour of 3D gaming. So I blast it all out into the living room with a fan and it cools in back down to normal in about 3 minutes

      That's fine for your bedroom because equipment failure means you can't frag your buddies for a couple days while you rebuild your burned-out gaming rig. But if you're running a business it's likely your business will suffer if you lose your computers. Depending on the nature of your work, a small business can maybe survive a week or two without their computers, but it'll hurt their ability to schedule work, pay the bills on time, and get money from their customers. And the longer they let it go, the more customers they'll inconvenience, and the more unpaid vendors will refuse to serve them in the future. It takes a surprisingly short amount of time before the chances are they won't recover from the outage.

      The guy asked for a cost-effective solution to cooling his server room, not for cost-effective cooling during a LAN party. A cost-effective solution for a business really starts with "don't do something so stupidly cheap that you risk going out of business."

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  71. One word: colocation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just rent space in a colo facility with all the cooling/power/net. You can throw in monitoring, backups and failover. It'll be cheaper (up front, not over long haul) to rent a small space at a datacenter.

    And as an added bonus: you'll sleep better.

  72. Useful Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Increase the airflow THROUGH the room by using an exhaust fan. Just vent it from near the ceiling to another space.

    More airflow = more heat removed

  73. Is there a problem? by RobertSeattle · · Score: 1

    I'm a small company - we have 8 Dell Servers in a 10 by 10 room. Its probably 80+ degrees there all the time - even hotter on weekends when the building turns the AC off or down. I've never had one hardware problem attributable to heat.

    1. Re:Is there a problem? by vladsinger · · Score: 1

      Fahrenheit/Celsius. Pay attention.

    2. Re:Is there a problem? by vladsinger · · Score: 1

      Fahrenheit/Celsius. Pay attention.

      Wait, that was stupid. Sorry.

      80+F is indeed about 30 C

  74. This is very simple and I can make you money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1. Measure the output BTU from each server.

    Step 2. Measure the BTU cooling capacity of the AC vent.

    Step 3. Subtract the difference.

    The difference is either excess cooling or heating, in your case I can guess it is excess heating, and what is heat, but energy, and energy = dollars.

    Heat rises because it is more energetic. So the next thing you need to do is find the hottest spot on the ceiling and mark it with an X.

    Now buy about 200 dollars worth of duct work and a duct fan and install it at this point. Vent the duct work outside and run it through a stirling heat engine mounted to a generator. The bigger the heat differential the better. Connect the generator to the power grid and cell back excess kilowatt hours generated by your server heat.

    Take that money and buy a real AC unit.

  75. Prop the door open and get a big fan... by Pontiac · · Score: 1

    A fan and an open door is about your only option with your budget..

    My last job tried the cheep route for the test lab.. 20-30 servers in a 15x30 room hooked to a roof mount AC unit (don't know the tonage).. That stupid thing would break down every couple of months and couldn't keep up with the servers when it did work.

    They tried some portable 1.5 ton units to suplement the roof unit but it was still always hot in there. 80-90f was the average

    Then the portables started to break..

    It all went to hell one weekend when everything failed and the room got up over 120f. The racks were to hot to touch and you could smell the servers cooking..

    Only then the directors figured out that we couldn't complete testing on his pet projects because the lab was fried. Nobody listened before..

    Then they wen't way way overkill and bought a 20 ton CRAC. The thing almost didn't hit through the door.

    After that you didn't want to be in there without a heavy coat and a something heavy to keep your papers from blowing away (no joke!)

    Bottom line.. cheep fixes will break sooner or later.. they are not designed for 365/24/7 operation at max capacity.. You need enough cooling to cool the room below the set temp and let the compressor cycle off for a bit.

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  76. Short of spending money? by mistahkurtz · · Score: 1

    Turn the servers off.

    or explain to the powers that be what heat does to IT equipment, and what a complete failure could mean for their future and everyone's livelihood.

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  77. Dont Recycle Air... by vk2tds · · Score: 1

    I have thought about this a lot... and there are some simple solutions.

    1. When the air outside is cooler than the air in your computer room, bring air in from outside via the Air Conditioner. Why cool air when Mother Nature cools the air for you.

    2. Combine the hot air from your servers into a duct. Have this go up to the roof. In most cases send the hot air outside. Why cool air that you have just heated.

    3. Use natural cooling when possible. If you can just use the warm air for heating in the rest of the building things will be a heap cheaper to run all arount.

    Darryl

  78. Grid computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consider Amazon's EC2 service, or similar offerings from Sun, Google, etc. because it doesn't sound like you have the budget nor expertise to properly maintain a server room. If $600 sounds like a lot of money, then you have to ask yourself how much it would cost to have an a/c failure.

  79. Call an Engineer! by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FFS, call an expert. If an engineer with a design firm wrote in and asked how to set up the company's servers, but he doesn't want to hire any IT people, everyone would be incensed at his stupidity for not calling in an expert. But somehow IT training makes people qualified HVAC design engineers?

    Spend the money now, and only cry once.

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  80. Doing nothing is an option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, if the room isn't getting over 30C, you don't have to do anything. All commerical machines are rated to run at temperatures higher than that, and if you're concerned, clean the dust out of them every now and then!

    It sounds to me that the energy required for the A/C would exceed the value of your 'servers' anyway :) .

    1. Re:Doing nothing is an option... by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      Don't be too sure about that. Even if the thermometer on the wall only reads 30C, you can be damn sure that there are much, much warmer areas inside rack cabinets and the like.

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  81. Cooler -- schmooler by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously though, I put in a commercial grade window unit. I had to cut a hole in a brick wall, second story (glad that we own lifts here) while the server room was operational.

    I keep it set to 72F with a smart fan option, and it has been running 24/7 for 4 years now. It is cooling 12 machines in 2 racks, PBX and switches/routers plus all the UPSs. Positioned the hole in the wall so that it blows across the front of the racks. Nary a problem. The unit cost $800 from McMaster-Carr, and I spent a weekend installing it. I'm fortunate that I spent 25 years in the building/fabrication trades before moving to IT, and I don't have to have anyone's permission to do the right thing.

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    1. Re:Cooler -- schmooler by afidel · · Score: 1

      I had a customer do a similar stunt against my advice when I was a consultant and it cost them big time. The dust from the construction got into a Dell server and caused the onboard video card to overheat and catch on fire. Which then caused the power supplies to catch and eventually the sprinklers went off, two racks of equipment and a weeks outage was VERY expensive.

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    2. Re:Cooler -- schmooler by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 1

      I went low tech with cutting the hole. I used a brick set and hammer from the outside. This was a brick veneer over block with brick veneer on the inside wall construction. When it was time to cut the inside, I powered down all the equipment, draped it all with plastic and didn't start anything back up until the vacuum cleaner filter was always coming out clean. Slow but safe.

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  82. And My question was rejected? by TornCityVenz · · Score: 1

    Seriously you can't afford AC for your Servers? And I wanted to get suggestions for a robot pigeon deterent for my pool...how was that worse? I jest...Kinda.

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    1. Re:And My question was rejected? by karnal · · Score: 1

      You've got robot pigeons? Where?

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    2. Re:And My question was rejected? by neurovish · · Score: 1

      Check out the DefCon robot shooter competition. Throw something together with an airsoft gun that shoots at anything that moves. Your guests might complain a little, but no more pigeons!

  83. Making use of the climate. by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    The problem with the logical solution bringing in external air in great quantity is humidity and the climate in your area. The best solution to this I've seen is system that only kicks in to dehumidify external air, for example on a rainy day humidity surpassing 90% is not good for equipment. It's also the only time I've ever been cold in a server room at 12 C, outside was 5 C! Other than changing dust filters, on going costs were 1/5th of recirculating air con. Since a hot summer day is seldom above 25-30 C nor below about 10 C in winter in my area this was acceptable solution. Bringing in freezing air or very hot dry external air would require turning back on a heat pump air con system.

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    1. Re:Making use of the climate. by m.dillon · · Score: 1

      Fake it. Install some big fans to pull the building air in and exhaust it through the machine room. That's about all you can do if you only have $600 to spend. Of course, if the building manager figures out what you are doing he isn't going to be too happy about it.

      You might also want to consider replacing the machines with ones that use less power, or consolidating resources into fewer boxes.

      -Matt

  84. I've had that too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to be the sysadmin for a high school, and that sounds like my server room. 12*20 feet, with one AC register on the ceiling T-tapped from ductwork that barely dribbled cool air down. The thermostat was in a classroom next door.

    During the winter, I not only got heat ducted into the server room, but I also got a 1930s steam pipe over the ceiling grid helping out, keeping the server room around 30C.

    I informed the school district's thoroughly incompetent construction director about the situation several times, and he did nothing.

    In the meantime, another building on campus was renovated. Air handlers meant to go on the roof were hung from the ceiling inside, making the shop classroom prohibitively loud, and a pipe carrying 88C heating water burst over a computer lab in another room. Maybe I'm glad they didn't wind up sending that contractor to "fix" my HVAC problem. :-)

  85. Cost? by madcat2c · · Score: 1

    Figure out the cost of down time (parts, lost money, etc), VS the cost of properly cooling that room. Then sell it to management as a cost saving strategy.

  86. Look at your airflow patterns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The other thing you might want to do is get an HVAC engineer, or proper datacenter engineer in there and look at current air flow patterns.

    If you have decent equipment, the spec sheet should include where and how it sucks the (supposedly cool) air in, and where the hot air is blown out. Arrange your hardware (servers, racks) so that you have "cold" and "hot" aisles, and make sure no A/C cold air can inadvertently get into a hot aisle without going through a server. So "cold" aisles should have the perforated tiles on the floor and a roof on top (at the height of your racks) and the "hot" aisles should have solid tiles and no roof.

    Cold air should flow in from underneath the floor, enter the cold aisle through a perforated tile, get sucked through your machinery and is blown out into a hot aisle. Where it rises to the top of the room and is sucked out.

    Oh, and the hot aisle should be hot. 30 degrees is no problem. As long as it is sucked out by the A/C unit, and not sucked back into some wrongly positioned machinery somewhere.

    That's how you plan, build and cool a datacenter. But even if you have "servers" that are nothing more than desktop or deskside machines in the wrong location, then a few bits of plywood and some smart repositioning might go a long way.

  87. Underground? by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    I've been wondering if this is practical. I remember that some people have been building houses with dirt on top and non-south facing windows. Sort of like some of the hobbit houses pictured here: http://images.google.ca/images?q=hobbit%20house&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi - perhaps too whimsical an answer here.

    The living conditions in these houses tends to not require AC to cool the house even in warm climates in warm/hot seasons. I don't know if this is practical, but in theory the building should be cooler to begin with.

  88. Do you need to do anything ? and other thoughts by RGRistroph · · Score: 1

    I have been involved with cooling some small business "server closets" and have some observations and thoughts:

    1) Is 86 degrees F out of bounds ? Are you having regular hardware failure now, that you think will be fixed by running cooler ? I know of various little closets around Austin in various small businesses that are packed with 4 to 8 servers (desktops running linux) that probably sit at over 90 or even 100 a lot of the time. I try to put the servers near the floor and disperse them as much as possible to avoid hot spots. Most of the failures I deal with I attribute to crappy hardware, and they happen on the desktops sitting in people's air conditioned offices just as often as they happen on the cast-off desktops sitting in the baking hot closet.

    2) Those standalone AC units that have a water pan and exhaust the hot air through a dryer hose are crap from an efficiency point of view. Even if the hot air is exhausted out of the building instead of just loading the central AC, outside air will then be pulled into the building. Also, the water (as in most central AC units) is thrown out. These should be regarded as emergency use only, hot spots are really better taken care of my moving servers or even a wal-mart box fan blowing on them.

    3) I believe (I plan to do actually tests with a kill-a-watt meter and thermometer) that the cheap, small window or wall unti airconditioners cool the most per watt. This is because there is no air exchange to the outside, and the condensate is allowed to run outside and then spattered over the condenser coil and re-evaporated. Even central AC units usually don't do that because the inside and outside coils are too far apart.

    4) If you are marginally too hot -- which sounds like your situation -- you can probably best get what you need by cutting power consumption. Focus on the oldest servers first, and see if there are any disk servers that no longer used, backup servers that can be turned only when backups are happening, old hardware that has services that can moved to existing machines or virtualized onto existing machines, etc. There are some very low power boards out there now, that are probably faster than your oldest hardware. Look up that under-voltaged K8 writeup on Tom's hardware. You may find you have a bigger budget if you are speeding up the servers as well as lowering the temperature.

    Also, I have chopped power consumption in some places by using laptops with a broken screen as a "server" for light tasks, such as a little used web site or a CVS server. Remember to keep on top of your backup situation when using possibly flaky hardware like that.
    Good luck.

  89. Hot Air Ducting by sciop101 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Install separate ductwork for hot air expulsion.

    The hot air is expelled from the server cabinets, into the hot air ductwork, and out of the building.

    Don't blow equipment heated air into the air-conditioned facility.

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  90. Use some cooler servers by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have a room full of computers and you can afford $600?? Something is wrong.

    Is the room full of cheap desktop PCs? if that is the case then your problem is that you yu are using to much power. Replace and consolidate the servers

    Back to the "can't afford $600 problem: have you figured out what it will cost per month to run your $600 AC unit? I'm thinking that you can burn up $600 of power in 90 days. If you were to replace those servers you'd save a bundle. Look into something like one of Sun's "cool threads" servers. Typically one of these can replace a rack of PCs It's a very low power 16 core machine.

    In the mean time it ooks like you've found your low cost solution, only that you are not only paying to much for power now but the $600 AC unit will double your power bill. Best to cut power usage with low power servers. Every wat that the server burns takes more than one wat to cool with an AC unit.

    1. Re:Use some cooler servers by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

      Yeah, get some Macs, they are sooo cool...

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  91. My company tried the cheap route by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They tried it, then after that, they ponied up and paid some contractors to do it right. Seriously, you can't skimp on this one, quit trying, it's a really, really bad idea. If you're tasked with it you need to get the best bid you can and submit a proposal arguing why it's a good idea to do it the right way. If you can't, turn the servers off, they clearly are not valuable.

  92. Cool the servers, not the room. by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    Direct the output of your cooling units directly into the intakes of the servers, and exhaust the hot air coming out the back of them out of the server room, rather than letting it recirculate within the server room.

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  93. Watercooling! by Underfunded · · Score: 1

    Lets setup water cooling!

  94. Answer... by __aamisb9940 · · Score: 1

    Having worked in the sheet metal industry for several years, I can tell you that this is not something for the layman to 'research and implement'. You need professional advice my friend. You need someone to analyze the heat generated, floor area, and possible CFM output of a new, or additional a/c unit. Refrigeration tech requires many, and I mean *many* hours of training, and years of experience. In the meantime, the best thing you can do is get the air to circulate in your server room. In ours, we have a two pedestal fans that literally force the air in a circle. Since we did that, our a/c unit no longer ices up - which is an indication of the intake rad taking in too much cold air - it condenses and freezes. The intake needs WARM (circulated) air. Good luck - and hire someone who knows refrigeration. It's WELL worth your while, trust me.

  95. Dial 911 by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    built my own server room by adding two additional layers of insulation on to the existing sheetrock (styrofoam with a plastic vinyl 4x8 sheet paneling
    .

    Two layers of styrofoam on top of the existing sheetrock sounds like a fire waiting to happen.

    Foam insulation is relatively hard to ignite but when ignited, it burns readily and emits a dense, black, smoke containing many toxic gases. The combustion characteristics of foam insulation products vary with the combustion temperatures, chemical formulation, and available air. Because of the dangers described above, foams used for construction require a covering as a fire barrier. One half-inch thick (1.27 cm) gypsum wallboard is one of the most common fire barriers. Foam and foam board insulation

  96. Conversion issue by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

    All you have to do is swap 30 Farenheit for 30 Celsius and the problem will reconcile itself forthwith.

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  97. Evaporative Coolers work for some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you live in a place like California with very low humidity on the very hottest days, then an evaporative cooler can do a good job and take a lot less power than a typical air conditioner. Note that here where I am, we are next to SF. While normally the humidity is high, on the hottest days the humidity plummets. So a unit with no compressor can blow a lot of fresh air (and evaporatively cooled air) into the building. We have an ADA70 unit on our roof for just the kind of cooling you describe:
    http://www.essickair.com/eac/4_champ_ada70.htm

  98. I have to agree... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $600 is not enough to work with here.

    Where I work, we have a smaller server room, maybe 100 square feet. Inside it we have two racks, one for network / phone gear, the other for our servers. Even with the small space provided, we spent the money to get the room it's own AC. It has it's own water line, backup power, and soon we'll be adding humidity monitors. Our installation didn't require a separate area for drainage, thankfully. All in all, it is worth the investment. I couldn't tell you what we paid, but I know it's well over $600.00 - and worth every penny.

    It is better safe than sorry in this situation, because what happens if you pay $600 for a "solution" that doesn't work? Then you're risking your servers, your job security if something fails, wasting money, annnnd if you're lucky enough to still be employed, you'll end up having to get a bigger budget anyway. I'm sorry this doesn't help much in the way of ideas, but yeah, with that kind of budget I wouldn't know what to suggest. Though... Buying 50 fans or so might be kinda fun... Hehe.

    One last note... If you can get the temp of your room down, you can go with a cheaper cooling solution. Virtualize some servers, save on power and temp! Keep in mind, depending on how many servers are virtualized, the cost to run ESX server could likely cost more than an initial investment on AC, haha. Software isn't cheap!

    (Except for pirates, arrrrr.)

  99. Cheap != Cost Effective by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

    Trying to save a few bucks on this is not cost effective. You will eat it up in staff time and equipment breakage in short order. You don't want your servers running with 3% free space on the drives and CPU loads at 95%, and you don't want an AC unit in the server room that you have to think about. It's 105 F outside right now, and the server room is nice and cool. Your $600 plus labor is a cheap solution. Expect to pay about $3,000.00 to do it right.

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  100. Co-Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If cost is a factor then maybe you should think about moving your servers to a pre-built data center so you do not have to worry about such things as cooling.

    Depending where you are at most major cities have data centers that offer Co-Location.

    Let the data center worry about cooling, power, and network. And you focus on your hardware and business.

    I work for a company with location all over the US. I found a nice Data Center in Omaha, NE that hosts all my main servers for me. Go to google and search for cosentry.

    I hope that helps.

  101. Doing this TODAY - Literally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an aircon unit being installed today to cool my 30oc+ DR site - a lot more complicated as the compressor has to be installed 3 floors down - cores being drilled tomorrow morning (saturday) = added$$$.
    Anyway - it costs $AU7600ex (and all for a potentially off-line system).

    The way I look at it - how much would it cost to replace the equipment and rebuild the data... worth more than $600?
    Think the usual things... boiling batteries in the UPS, processor/psu etc fan fails etc. (see all of these)

    What about the company insurance evaluator when they find out what you are doing.. you WILL get your yearly premiums increase (seen that too)

    Oh yea.. and it might be 30oC where you sit - but how hot is it inside the UPS/CPU case? +50oC?? Pretty likely..

  102. Are you serious? by doodzed · · Score: 1

    if you have a problem with getting $600 together you are not running a datacenter. We ended up spending between 10 and 20k on a bunch of Mr. Slim units and have been happy.

    You can try and be cheap but when you are talking computing you have to have at least 1k to spend on a problem at any point in time. if you can't, get a fruit stand and do that.

    Are you serious? Can't beleive this made slashdot.

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    1. Re:Are you serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said they were running a server room, not a datacentre.

    2. Re:Are you serious? by coryking · · Score: 1

      Then they need to look at colocation. Either you sink the money into building your own data center (read: ac, power, etc) or you just outsource it to people who do it for a living.

  103. What are you flipping nuts? Spend the $600 plus!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The A/C units in a "real" data centre are about EUR 45,000 each (not including installation and maintenance), and a server room should have three.. two to actually do the work, and a third to activate if either of the others is down for either maintenance or due to a fault. $600 plus some electrical work is a *JOKE*.. just get it done & stop whining about it! Bitching about $600! Yikes!

  104. power output versus cooling by ColonelBlinky · · Score: 1

    if it's not possible to install enough exhaust fans to get the hot air outside or into the office area where the building aircond can deal with the heat then you are going to need an airconditoner and a good way to drain water away from the dehumidfying process.

    With out knowing anything about your environment i go by a simple rule, for every watt of power you need about a watt of cooling.

    check the power supply's on each device, server, router switch, ups etc etc and count up the watts, you can use Amps just find and online calclulater to convert. This will tell you the power of the system need to cool, split air cond used for a home will do about 2KW (kilowatts) a fully ducted system used in a house will do about 20kw. I am using house system for rough comparison only.

    so now you have an idea of heat output, the 2 options I would use is either 2 cheap aircond units with each one capable of meeting the KW requirement, that way if one dies the other will keep everyting going and you can have cheap maintenance, or one good quality systen with high level of maintenance with extracter fans for back up. don't forget the extracted hot air and moisture has to go somewhere!

    one thing to keep in mind, using the power supply info assumes running all systems at 100% untilisation, which unlikely but does give you worst case scenario, so if you know none of your server go over 50% cpu, for example, you reduce your required kw of cooling by about 25%.

    i know there are proper formulas to calcuate exact KW/BTU/AMPS/WATTS etc etc, but when I am just trying to figure the best stragety the "it takes a Watt to cool a Watt" is a quick way to estimate what its going to take and draft up a plan.

    Cheers

    1. Re:power output versus cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you considered attending remedial English classes?

  105. Install Reflective Coating on Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have any windows which receive direct sunlight and are plain glazing, be sure to install reflective film on the windows. It turned out that much of the heat in our server room was coming in the window, rather then from the servers. The semi transparent film lets most of the light in, so is still easy to work. It's just like a pair of sunglasses for the room :-)

    It went from 2 full time air conditioners to only 1 easily doing the job.

  106. not cheap.... by Danzigism · · Score: 1
    as much as I wish I could recommend simply sticking an AC unit in your server room or some air ducts, I'll have to tell you that could potentially ruin your equipment thanks to moisture and electro static discharge. it's the only reason companies like APC implement cooling technologies apropriate for server rooms. it's definitely not cheap, but worth it to protect your investment in thousands of dollars worth of server equipment. I recently had APC come and install their ISX solution along with the cooling as you can see hereand here as well

    sorry for the promo but I have to admit their work is outstanding.

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  107. cost of replacement server by confused+one · · Score: 1

    You should be asking, what's more cost effective: putting in an aircon unit for the server room, or replacing the equipment that is going to fail because your input air temp is 30C? Not to mention, when it does fail, it might take your last few hours/days data with it.

    Seriously.

    A couple thousand dollars should be enough to cover an air conditioner for a small business server room(which I assume you are since you're sweating $600).

    Might want to consider consolidating servers as well. Look at the system CPU and memory utilization -- I bet you can consolidate a couple of machines into one box. This will reduce the heat being pumped into the room.

  108. Mini Split System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to purchase a 'Ductless Mini Split System', cooling only....no heat.

    There are two parts to the system - just like the one in a typical house - but there is no duct work. You don't need duct work because you are cooling a single space.

    The inside part typically mounts on the wall over the door, inside the IT room. The compressor mounts outside on the ground or on the roof. The inside part draws in air from the space and continuously cools it. Every commercial IT room I have seen has a similar setup. Now go to eBay.

  109. Overwhelming sentiment by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    of these comments are, "You are asking the wrong questions, and approaching the problem from entirely the wrong perspective"

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  110. Solution: Outsource by Laser+Lou · · Score: 1

    Find a good dedicated server provider (i.e. Softlayer, Liquid Web) or a colocation facility. You would have an much easier time controlling costs, and would have time to get some real work done.

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  111. Halon by ilikejam · · Score: 1

    Just hit the halon dump switch when you need to cool the room. Makes a hell of a noise, but cools the place down pretty nicely.

    That's what I did at my last job, anyway. And the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that...

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  112. IANACE by melted · · Score: 1

    I'm not an air conditioning expert, but is it really necessary to have it for the most part of the year? Why keep datacenters so cold? Most processors are rated for over 65 degrees celsius of operating temperature, most hard drives are rated at 55 degrees celsius or more. Wouldn't it be wise to design specifically for higher operating temperatures, and simply pump the air from the outside and release it through a giant chimney on the roof?

    Take Apple iMac as an example of good thermal design. I took it apart and made some measurements and what I've discovered is that they won't even begin to cool the hard drive until it reaches 50 degrees celsius or so. I suspect it's even higher than that for the processor.

    Compare this to a PCs geeks build by themselves - oversized power supply, biggest ass heatsink they can find so that the processor would run at room temperature. News flash folks, the processor can tolerate a lot more than room temperature without any adverse effects on performance or reliability. In fact, some mobile Intel processors can boil water and still work fine. Hard drives don't need room temperature either. In hardware world, if the manufacturer says the part works at 55 degrees, it fucking better work at 55 degrees, or someone will sue their ass. As the temperature increases, too, the thermal gradient gets steeper, so much smaller heatsinks are needed to transfer the heat away.

    I do understand that it would be somewhat uncomfortable if data centers operated at 40 degrees celsius air temperature, but that could be solved with individual air conditioner jackets for the personnel or something.

    It wouldn't hurt if hard drive manufacturers worked in the direction of raising their products' operating temperature, too.

  113. Get a datacenter by Nathan · · Score: 1

    It cost us about $2500 for a refurbished 1.5 ton recirc unit in the ceiling adjacent to our 60 sqft server room (not above it). I had done some calculations to determine that it should be enough cooling to handle 3.5 racks of our 1U whiteboxes running a full tilt. You'd want to put it adjacent because they are full of water and past experiences of server-waterfalls have taught me not to have servers under AC units. :)

    However, stop now. Don't do that. What we learned is that to do it right, you need a lot more than just some AC units. You need reliable power, internet, chillers, maintenance staff and building management. You need to be able to get an AC contractor that will be able to be on-call and respond to you within a few hours, even in the middle of the night or on the weekend. When it freezes up (they do it from time to time) and stops heating you have a situation to deal with and must implement emergency cooling measures until they arrive. Always a fun day. And that power and AC in an older (80's era) office building are not designed for mission critical support of high density servers. Room would get hot almost every weekend as the building owners conserved AC by turning off the chillers. Maintenance staff and building owners had no concepts of how to deal with our 'internet company' needs. Don't forget worrying about physical security too, don't want a rogue employee or maintenance staff getting into the server room and doing god knows what (plugging a vacuum/Flavia/heater into the wrong power outlet and blowing the circuit).

    So we moved it all to a cage at a local datacenter and haven't looked back. Much better situation and a lot cheaper & easier.

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    1. Re:Get a datacenter by coryking · · Score: 1

      bingo. This is the right answer. And if these servers are "local" (mail/file), make sure to factor in the cost of a fast ass link to your colo facility. I'm no expert, but I do know you can lease things like fiber and copper and have it pulled into your cage at the facility.

  114. An unsuccessful example... by summetj · · Score: 1

    I have an example of what not too do.

    Don't just go buy a standard window air conditioner unit, cut a whole in the wall, mount it, and turn it on full blast. Also be sure not to mount it directly over your main UPS. An ISP I worked for in the past did just this.

    Window air conditioners are not designed for a 100% duty cycle. Over time, condensation built up on the inner coils, and FROZE into ice. At some point the air conditioner recognized that it needed to defrost itself, and shut off. The ice melted, forming water that dripped straight down onto our UPS, shorting it out, and taking down our core router, web, DNS, and email servers. (Yes, it was a small ISP, we had one of each.)

  115. Why not cool the servers separately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  116. measure power, then fix airflow by markhahn · · Score: 1

    first, calculate your dissipation - get a power meter and measure the draw of your hardware at the wall. 1 kW = 3412 BTU; 1 ton = 12000 BTU; 1 ton = 3.517 kW. if your AC isn't big enough for your dissipation, no amount of sheet metal will help.

    if you have enough cooling capacity, then your problem is that you're not segregating your hot and cold air properly. all commodity servers are designed for hot/cold aisles - that is, the front of the rack needs to be pure cold air supply from the chillers. hot air needs to be kept from reaching the front-of-rack. blanking panels avoid wasting cold air by flowing through the rack.

  117. 3 options i see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can drop temperature a lot by doing a few things:

    1 - see if your equipment supports low-power modes.

    HP Proliants have 3 levels of power. Full, dynamic, and low. Also consider consolidating physical servers into virtual machines.

    2 - Remove obstructions. Anything that interrupts air supply or return is going to cost you.

    3 - Re-route your supply and return ducting. You want supply to dump in front of your servers and the return to pull that hot air out.

  118. Ductless Split by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its going to cost you more than $600, but a ductless split system is a popular solution for server room cooling. Mitsubishi's mr slim line is very popular for this, just have to make sure its installed properly so the air isnt boucing off the server racks making it short cycle.

  119. Water? by Bomarrow1 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps one could install water cooling on the server(s) but instead of having it lead to a radiator in the case have it hang out of the window.
    Maybe you could even just use water from the tap and send it back down the drain if you are unmetered.

    1. Re:Water? by WyrdOne · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, and your city will come slap you with a huge fine or just cut off your water after you go through a couple million gallons in a month.

  120. Huh? by CNTOAGN · · Score: 1

    All the solutions thus far indicate "staying the course". Just stop being a datacenter - whatever you are running can easily be hosted somewhere else - stop worrying about it, and move your code somewhere else - there are PLENTY of people that will host you. Otherwise you are playing with numbers that are really not worthy of being talked about.

  121. Re: cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're running 3 Soleus 14kBTU units to pump heat out of our 16 servers + switches + ...

    Yes, it's a toy [cooling system|network|server room], yes it's the wrong way to do it.

    We got a bigger improvement from putting a box-fan blowing downward on the top of one of the racks to circulate the air more aggressively than from adding the third Soleus.

    There is strong talk of dumping the hot air into the offices of some of those reptilian types who run space heaters in the summer and reclaiming some of the waste heat.

    Exhausting waste heat has merit and is highly effective.

  122. That's what google does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just stick a boxfan in there.

    That's what google does, although, if you look, you can see they use a round fan.

    http://perspectives.mvdirona.com/content/binary/JeffDean_Google2000.jpg

  123. Cheap but works by Andrew+Lindh · · Score: 1

    Assuming you have a computer "room" (enclosed space)....

    Supplies (plus tools):
      Duct tape (you have it somewhere in your desk)
      Some 2x4 wood (get it from a dumpster or construction site)
      New circuit breaker (take it from another unused circuit)
      Cheap 25000 BTU window AC unit ($600)

    1) Convert your 20A circuit from 120V to 240V, or move to Europe, or get a smaller AC unit.

    2) Cut a hole in you computer room to the outside. This could be a hole to the real outdoors or just into another room. You don't care because the computers are all you need to deal with for this project. If this hole happens to be into another room it will still work just fine as it will move heat from the inside of your computer room to the outside (into your office or where ever).

    3) Use the 2x4 wood to build a support for the window AC unit in your new hole. You don't want it falling out, then you'll just have a hole in the wall (another cheap cooling idea).

    4) Install the cheap window AC unit into the hole and seal with the duct tape. Plug it into the outlet and turn it on.

    5) Profit!...I mean, you're done. If you need redundancy then repeat the procedure for a second unit (assuming you have the power, or a long extension cord).

    This is not a joke...I have seen this setup in a few places (eg. basement computer room), it's a crude setup but the computer room is cool.

    Note, if the AC unit happens to be next to your office cubicle then you might want to move first. Don't forget to put a large trash can under the back of the AC unit as it will drip condensate all day. Also in the winter, please don't walk on a the rug in your computer room as you will build up a big static charge because your humidity (RH) will be about 0-5%.

    For about $600 you can get a 25000 BTU window unit. With that you can cool about 7KW of computers. If you only have 120V then you can get a 15000 BTU unit for about $400 and cool about 4KW of computers. Don't forget to include the heat from your UPS (assuming you have one).

    If you need better humidity control, put a big bucket of water in the room for the winter, and add a space heater for the summer (for reheat, you run both AC and heat).

    Now if you made a mistake in your post and have a $6000 budget then you can get a ductless split system and have it installed (unless you are in a real office building and can't get outside access).

  124. Same here... by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 1

    [...] and would not have tolerance for both AC units

    Yeah, Anonymous Cowards get on my nerves, too.

    Seriously now, in my experience portable air conditioning is a joke (noisy, inefficient, and they still need an exhaust duct for the hot air, of course). But I doubt you'll find any satisfactory solution for less than $600, unless you plan to build the AC unit yourself.

  125. Exhaust fans plus air-con by ^switch · · Score: 1

    About a year ago we moved to a new building. The room designated for server room had no air-con so we were open to a number of options to keep it cool during Australian summers (and winters!). The room is fairly small - it will fit around two to three racks maximum. Currently we have one fully populated rack of equipment (mostly 1U servers).

    We decided to try exhausting the air first (into the ceiling cavity) as the external air was reasonably cool. This actually worked pretty well. The room average temperature was between 24c-26c, and remained fairly constant. Worst case was 31c. Interestingly the room did not go above 35c when the fans were off for long periods of time, as it appeared that convention drew the heat out the exhaust fans. For the expected life of our equipment this temperature range was reasonable and surprisingly was much better than the previous 2x18Kwh cooling setup (floor was 18c, ceiling was 35c), however one thing we noticed is that there was significant turbulence in the room from the server fans and that it was mixing the hot and cold air around.

    It also became clear that to keep the room around 24c with more servers going in was going to be a challenge, and that during winter (when the external air is typically heated), we would see a rise in the external air temperature.

    As our winter approached, we decided to install a 8KWh split unit. It works really well, we now maintain the room at a constant 22c and could easily handle cooler temperatures if we desired. The exhaust fans are still in place and running. Interestingly they work well at removing the hot air so that we are not spending extra energy cooling it.

    So, exhaust of hot air works for us in keeping the cooling costs down, and had the added bonus of avoiding very high temperatures when air-cons failed.

  126. Co-locate by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    share space with someone who can afford AC. Virtualize services to reduce machines.

  127. Easy by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

    Dump a few gallons of water on your servers.

    Oh, you wanted the servers to survive? That'll be $10000 per server.

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  128. How about used units? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you buy a small portable units used, you can find them in your budget. As for the water, a small pump attached to tubing can be used to pump out the sump on the device. Even new ones can be had at 10K BTU for much less than $600.

  129. Hold a seance to call upon by crovira · · Score: 1

    Maxwells' Demon.

    When that fails, call your friendly neighborhood AC salesman and tell him the data center has some problems.

    You can spend money now or spend money right now.

    There is NO solution to make up for unplanned growth (except to end it.)

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  130. Removing heat rather than injecting cooling by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    You might get better mileage out of improving airflow through your rack rather than beefing up your HVAC. You want to focus on removing heat rather than directing cool air into your racks.

    Look at racks (such as Chatsworth CPI) that have options for heat ducts that evacuate hot air from hot spots (it typically means a vented front door and a solid rear door, and yes, you have to dress your cables so you can actually close them!). You could exhaust the hot air elsewhere outside, as long as you have a clean filtered intake. But even if you just return the hot air to the HVAC intake, the existing AC should operate more efficiently.

    Anyway this should be much more cost effective than doing a raised floor with AC vents, trying to force the cool air to rise.

  131. If you are considering $600 units by Zerth · · Score: 1

    then, unless you live in florida or the tropics, those portable jobs aren't that much of a pain. I managed to get one the size of a minifridge after a real AC unit lost out to a new p520. I've only 1 full rack, so I don't really need that much, but I didn't want the hardware taking up my limited space and I imagine it won't last for more than a few years with a 90%+ duty cycle in the summer.

    It came with a built-in water tank, maybe 2 liters or so, and I have to empty it about once a week. If it had been more frequently than that, I could've just ran the outflow hose to a 10 gallon bucket or something.

    BTW, what kind of server room are you in that doesn't have a 20 amp socket? One where $600 is pricy I suppose...

  132. First, fan out the heat by davygrvy · · Score: 1

    If you effectively duct the heat pushed out by the rack units to the outside, your requirement to cool down the hot exhausted air in the room diminishes quite a lot.

    Ok, not usually possible with computers, but I used to do that for racks of audio power amplifiers used in a permanent install. They drew air in from the front of the racks and blew out the back which was fanned outside, thus the room didn't require much to keep it cool.

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  133. breakroom fridge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consolidate the servers. Put the servers inside the adjusted breakroom fridge.

  134. use a 1200 cfm attic fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had 16 servers at one time, and consumer air conditioning units could not keep it cool even in the winter.

    then I spent $100 on a 1200 cfm "attic" fan, and it dropped the room temperature by 10 degrees, and it doesn't run constantly. I don't use air conditioning anymore.

  135. Do you need to cool? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Random server temp spec:
    IBM 9406-570 (AS400)

    Recommended operating temperature
    5 degrees to 35 degrees C (41 degrees to 95 degrees F)

    So, do you NEED to cool?

    Find out the hardware specs. If you're within the specs, then its cool enough.

    I'm assuming that since this is a server room, there's rarely any people in there.

    Also, one of the best ways to make a place cool is to add less heat!

    As others have said, it could be that replacing hardware is a better solution than adding cooling.
    New Intel core based hardware or AMD gear is much cooler for the same performance than a lot of older gear (especially P4 based gear)

    You get better performace, and your power bills go down not up. (Newer, cooler boxes will use less power to run, and you won't have the added load of new cooling)

  136. The poeple with the cash dont care until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At my company, our CFO refused to take action on our repeated requests for a new AC. The AC we had (an overrated, under performing heat pump) was fine for when the office first opened up with 10 servers. Triple the server count and add in a few disk shelves and you can see the cooling needs drastically changed. Eventually the unit was always running and it would just randomly pop a fuse, resulting in a server room that over heat (120F on the floor!) The easiest solution to the issue was to start shutting down his accounting servers a few times a week blaming the heat. After the third "thermal shutdown" week, we had a contractor quote us for a rush job and had it installed a week later. It cost 20k (5k more because of the rush order), but its been a COLD 60F ever since:) All in all, the poeple in charge dont care until it effects them.

  137. Maybe not Antarctica.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the comments about Antarctica were obnoxious... they weren't too far off base. Move your servers. I was talking with one of our data providers about doubling our bandwidth to our colo, and if I could move some of my servers down there, I would break even on electricity to power the servers alone.... not to mention lower cooling requirements. You get them moved into a state of the art facility, and you don't have to have ridiculous pricing.

    Depending on your situation, it may or may not work.

    Another alternative is removing some of the servers from that room and put them somewhere else in the building. Put them somewhere where they won't overheat.... then you reduce the load on the existing room.

  138. HVAC design for Server rooms by Elfich47 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You have to ask the following questions when designing a cooling system for an HVAC system for a server room. The conditions are significantly different than cooling for an office.

    1. What is your total kW consumed in the room.

    2. What is the cooling strategy you want to employ?

    Passive cooling - use a fan to dump the heat out of the building.
    Active cooling - Install an air conditioner with an external condensing unit to dump the heat outside.
    Alternate cooling - Dump the heat into the rest of the building during winter in order to saving on heating costs.
    Any of these options have good and bad points: expense, humidity control, thermostat control, expense of use, required backups.

    3. How is your server room arranged?
    Is everything just thrown in the room?
    Are you running a hot isle/cold isle environment?
    Do you have a raised server floor so you can pump cold air into the bottom of the racks with a ceiling return?
    Do the racks have fans to draw air from front to back?

    4. What is your current cooling capacity that is dedicated to that room?

    The last server room I designed was 500 square feet and consumed roughly 14 kw (28 watts/sf). That is roughly 4 tons of sensible cooling. To purchase a system capable of 4 tons of sensible cooling you will need to purchase a system capable of 5-6 tons of total cooling (Skipping the lecture on Sensible vs Latent vs Total cooling). So have you have just spent $4,000 in materials. Assume your costs will double for installation. Plus another couple of grand to have an actual engineer come in and design a system that will serve your specific needs.

    The question is not one of getting the heat off the chips. The heat is making its way into the air just fine. You need to get the heat out of the air (and the room) and out of the building. If your room is exceeding 30C I would assume your racks are easily running 5-10 degrees hotter. That is getting into the range where your equipment is going to start shutting down.

    Now onto your problem: $600 budget. Option: Throw a patch of your choice at it. A roll-a-way unit from Wal-mart or target where you can push a heat rejection duct out of the building, for example. This is a patch, not a solution.

    Assume you are going to have to pony up $10,000 (USD) to solve this problem.

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    1. Re:HVAC design for Server rooms by Cow+Jones · · Score: 2, Funny

      Assume you are going to have to pony up $10,000 (USD) to solve this problem.

      Oh come on. A fishbowl and a portable AC would cost $505.50.
      For the "priceless" picture, click here.

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    2. Re:HVAC design for Server rooms by jshiflet · · Score: 1

      We just recently upgraded our air conditioning in one of our server rooms and it cost us about $25,000 (USD) for enough air conditioning for about 32kW of power to be used in the room. Right now, we only have about 25kW and the room is outrageously cold.

    3. Re:HVAC design for Server rooms by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      If I were you, I would turn the air down a bit. By down, I mean raise the temp to something closer to ambient temps in the rest of the building. If that is 70 degrees F or whatever, you need to be somewhat closer.

        I had a tech who would constantly turn a wall unit down to 60 or so which effectively made the AC unit run all the time. Every time the door opened, you could see the could air mixing with the warmer air just outside the server room. Anyways, because the server room wasn't sealed, the end result was that moisture would enter and then condense on the cold metal surfaces. This wasn't really apparent until we noticed corrosion at the phone cabinet and then after checking we noticed that some strange network issues were fixed because of corrosion in the termination blocks and such.

      To make a long story short, the excessive cold caused condensation which caused us to replace an entire patch panel for both the network and the phone system, we had to replace the receptacles for the electricity on the server bench and the walls, we have a few UPS that I question but was told was outside the budget to replace, and now because of the drain/drip pan being so full, we end up with some rotten egg smells when the drip pan is dry. I'm not sure why it has a drip pan instead of going straight to the drain but the drain is only for overflow I guess. To stop the smells, you have to just put watter in it and them spay some room freshener but it gets annoying when you walk in and get that outhouse aroma before you can do anything.

    4. Re:HVAC design for Server rooms by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to avoid that option. Once you start cooking things off like that it starts getting more expensive before it gets cheaper.

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    5. Re:HVAC design for Server rooms by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

      The room does not have to be cold. Just set the thermostat to something livable. Just because the room temperature is set to 70F does not mean the air conditioning can't keep up with the server load.

      If you set the temperature to 70F and the AC equipment can't keep up with the load (ie the room temperature is always higher) then you have an issue.

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    6. Re:HVAC design for Server rooms by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

      If the drain traps dry out then the sewer gases (ie methane mixed with other products of sewer rot) can travel back up the pipe. It is the same reason all plumbing fixtures in your house have water traps, otherwise you would be getting sewer smell in your house all the time.

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    7. Re:HVAC design for Server rooms by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      This is actually the evaporator tray. There is a trap in the drain, I think. At least that is what I am told.

      I was told that some sort of harmless bacteria grew in the drip pan dried up when they took the system down to fix the corroded stuff. It could be the drain as you say and they are too cheap to do anything about it and use the bacteria as a cover story. It wouldn't surprise me. They are weird, if you have a flashy pitch, they will spend thousands, if not, your lucky to get hundreds. I actually had to create a power point presentation and show it on a projector to get funds to replace a cisco 1600 or 1700 series router. I had borrowed an adtran wan unit from another customer who closed a satellite office down and put a $50 linksys router as a patch when when the cisco went south and someone suggested that they couldn't see the difference and asked why we needed the cisco.

  139. Portable Noma 12000 BTU by lucm · · Score: 1

    I have a portable unit, brand is NOMA (found in most hardware stores in Canada). Paid around 500$. What is great is there is no bucket to empty, the humidity is kinda vaporized and pushed out the heat exhaust (no dripping). It's been running steady at "Low Speed" for the last 4 months or so, and it keeps a 250 sq/f room with two full racks and two huge monitors around 23 Celsius. I simply taped the exhaust to the existing air duct (yeah, using duct tape on duct!), there is no water drip.

    I like this model because the room is cool and there is no humidity. It is portable but it's big, like those mini-fridge in hotel rooms.

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  140. Turkey AC by blhack · · Score: 1

    I once had the Air Conditioner go out.

    In phoenix.
    In July.

    I took a turkey out of the freezer and stuck it in front of a massive fan. I also took a bunch of empty beet bottles from around the house and filled them with cold water.

    It didn't really work, but it was really funny!

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  141. You have got to be kidding! by Dark_Gravity · · Score: 1

    If $600 - $1000 is too large of a budget for your project, then you should just shut your server room down, as you aren't making enough money from having a server room.

    Seriously, relocate your servers to colocated hosting, or pay up for the requisite climate controls. Beyond that...fuck off.

    Someone else said it nicer in another post.

  142. HVAC airflow modeling by Try+a+little+harder · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm about to embark on a course where I learn how to exactly model the airflow in server rooms. I thought this would be usefull for cases like yours, to be able to evaluate possible alternative setups and improvements to the configuration of your racks, ventilation ducts and airco's. This in turn is part of my switch to green IT consultancy. I still need a demo case for the course, so if this is interesting let me know. Cheers, and don't sweat it ;-)

  143. SOL by hardwarefreak · · Score: 1

    He already balked at $600 folks. His problem isn't finding the right cooling solution, it's getting the proper funding and support from management for what he needs to properly cool the equipment.

    People in his org aren't having the right conversations. They're not willing to spend $600 to save multiple thousands in fried gear?

    at0mic26 you need to have the proper conversation with your higher ups.

  144. Re:Cheaper? Really? by Cramer · · Score: 1

    True, but it's not a dedicated 20A socket. It's a 20A LINE with several 20A sockets on it. Large capacity (over 9k BTU) A/C "window units" use significant power, to the point they pretty much need to be on their own circuit.

  145. Cooling the server room with water by flashdot1234 · · Score: 1

    I once made a cooling system for a small server room that used tap water. I don't want to recommend this though, because running significant amounts of water through a server room is generally a bad idea :)

    I got some aluminium sheet bent to a duct shape, so that it ran from about 20 cm from the ceiling to about 50 cm above the floor. Inside the duct i placed several of the larger type radiators that are used when cooling overclocked computers with water. At the end of the duct I placed 3 20mm fans that would pull air through from the ceiling down through the radiators and out at the bottom. A thermostat stopped the fans and waterflow (magnetic valve) when the temperature was low enough. Radiators were connected in serial, so that the coolest water was closest to the fans.

    This server room was inside an industrial area where water was abundant and free of charge, so water came right from the pipes, ran through the radiators in the duct, and then right down the drain after cooling the air.

    CONS: Not a very efficient setup, requires some DIY work, and you risk flooding your server room.

    PROS: In this case it was cheap, and we had no accidents ;)

  146. pump out the heat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if I'm talking out of my ass here (it's 3am right now), but instead of cooling it with more A/C, perhaps you could find a way to pump out the heat instead and channel it back into the building.

    Not only would this save money from less heating bills (in the long run, anyways), but you would need to spend less energy (hence $$$) to cool the room down.

    Either this is an ingenious idea, or a sign I need to go back to sleep. :-P

  147. Costs vs Failure by Kryptic+Knight · · Score: 1

    Its your COMMS ROOM with hundreds of thousands of (your choice of currency unit) located there.
    Plus the business inconvenience of having the equipment fail and you having to resolve that / invoke your BC/DR program.

    Should you really be mucking around trying to save money on the Aircon / Drainage?

    Get hold of a reputable company who knows about computer room air-con, get them to give you some cost scaled options and put those on the table alongside the cost of the business being down for a week.

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  148. In the meantime... by quakenul · · Score: 1

    ...the servers died

  149. Why is it your task? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

    Seriously - if you're the IT-guy (administrator or whatever) why is it your task? Is it also your task to run new power lines and add in new fuse boxes to keep the servers running?

    Now, if you're the building supervisor then it's an entirely different thing, but other than that, how is it your task?

    If I'm the guy that does most of the driving in the company cars (salesman or whatever), is it my task to arrange for a new parking structure, just because the old one is now flooded? No.

    Call up five or ten contractors that deal in these sorts of things and have them give you an offer (maybe including a minimum need and a future need offer). Give those offers to your boss or the bean counters and let him/them decide what to buy. Shouldn't take more than an hours work one day (finding and calling contractors) and then something like 10 to 20 minutes per contractor to show them around.

    Delegate, delegate, delegate!

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  150. Air from outside by dargaud · · Score: 1
    After observing that only 2% of the time is the outside air too hot for our machines, we implemented the following system:
    • grab air from outside and run it through the machines after passing it only through a filter. All standard servers have no problem working at 35ÂC, we are not in the 70s anymore.
    • for the 2% of the time when the temperature in the back of the machines get too high, we get air from an air-conditioning unit.

    The tuning of the algo is not all that easy, but it divided the electricity bill by 3 overnight !

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  151. on the flipside...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    very low budget solution:

    first consider this. an aircon is used because you need to cool the servers "enough".

    enough = cold air + circulating air.

    but...

    enough = warmer air + faster circulation

    so...

    cheaperst solution is to have faster fans to circulate more air quicker over the cpu / ram / power-sup.

    if you have a tower, fit a fan in the side blowing directly onto the motherboard/cpu/ram.

    ir you have rack servers, move them apart so that they are 3-4cm apart. cut a hole in the top and fit a slim fan blowing downwards into the server.

    -what im trying to say is:

    if cpu = 70degrees celcius, you need a standard cpu / case fans to cool server inside with cold air (20degrees celcius). so mild fans and cold air to cool is enough.

    you could cool the same cpu with warmer room temp air:
    but, YOU NEED TO MOVE MORE AIR FASTER TO GET RID OF THE SAME AMOUNT OF HEAT, THAT THE COOLER AIR AND STANDARD FANS DID.

    hope this helps.

  152. Sometimes you gotta learn 'em by FridgeFreezer · · Score: 1
    We complained to our bosses for ages about a dodgy aircon unit, nothing got done until one day they found all the desk fans had vanished into the equipment room and there was a gale of superheated air directed from the equipment room, through the boss's office, and out of the fire escape.

    It got fixed pretty quickly after that.

    You might also point out that $600 saved on aircon will probably equal $1200 or much more in early component failure and downtime. When it's 30 in the server room, it's much hotter inside the server.

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  153. You are already killing your servers by MarkH · · Score: 1

    If your servers are operating at more than 25C on a regular basis then chances are you are seeing high rates of disk drive failure and other component based failures. I can't imagine the downtime, cost of replacement parts and effort to fix would be cheaper than spending the $600.

    We had an AC outage for just 1/2 an hour on about 12 racks. Over the nexct 3 months lots of random disk failures cropped up in that area.

  154. Build yourself a swimming pool by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Electricity is expensive, therefore simply turning the electricity into heat and dumping it into the atmosphere is also expensive.

    => Do something else with it.

     

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    1. Re:Build yourself a swimming pool by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

      The electricity powering the server room has already been used and is now laying around the space as left over heat. It is just a question now of what you do with the heat: keep it and heat another space or eject it out of the building envelope.

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  155. Cheap? OK... by tm2b · · Score: 1

    Tell management that all employees must get extra ice in their beverages at lunch and bring it back to go into a bucket in the machine room.

    'Cause that's the absurd level of penny-pinching you're looking at here.

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  156. not saying its the best by nimbius · · Score: 1

    but we ran 3 mitsubishi mr slim air conditioners ceiling mount.

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  157. Ice cubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep putting a large ice cube in the middle of the server room.

  158. Air Conditioning isn't cost-effective by jonadab · · Score: 1

    In terms of cooling, the most cost-effective thing is the proverbial Big Fat Heat Sink, and the second-most cost-effective is fans. Actual air conditioning is not a cheap thing, especially when the room has a bunch of heat-generating devices (like, e.g., servers) in it.

    So the question becomes: where is this building located, and what does the ambient outdoor temperature run to?

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  159. Make your own A/C for under $100 by meiao · · Score: 1
  160. Late to the party by ericrost · · Score: 1

    One major consideration that I didn't see addressed anywhere is the hot air return. You won't get very far just pumping air into the room if there's not an efficient way to get the hot air out. Major mistake that is often made. AC is a closed loop system. Its removing heat from the air it sucks into its return ducting. If the really hot air you're worried about isn't headed into its return ducting you'll get some minor benefit from it, but you'll do FAR better to direct the heated air TO the air conditioner.

    Just my 2 cents as a mechanical engineer.

  161. Special equipment by maurert · · Score: 1

    If you think your building AC is up to the load over all, have you considered better ventilation from the ambient air outside the room. Faster turn over of air can go a long way in cooling. Though it's doubtful you'll be able to high turnover of ambient office space air to bring your server room down to 20C, I'll bet you can make a dent in the current 30+C level. This might even be possible without making your co-workers too uncomfortable by maknig sure that the exhaust air is discharged into the return air plenum, which is usually the space above the drop ceiling.

    All that fan power and ventilation might however increase the noise level near the server room.

  162. no idea what I'm talking about by Zashi · · Score: 1

    If you're going to go the cheap route without having someone come onsite and consulting, I'd get a couple of the window mounted air conditioners that go for between $100 and $200 and a couple of dehumidifiers (which you'd have to empty regularly or hook up to a drain).

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  163. What it the use of the servers worth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $600 is not much for a business that has a server room, so it sounds as if the manager does not know what the servers or information on them is worth (or maybe he does??). At one large company, I got a agreement to turn off our workstations when the temperature in a room got over 95F based on the equipment specifications (Operating conditions for them under 100F). The day I turned them off, the manager was upset, came to the room and saw I was not kidding about the temperature, he got a temporary fix in by the next day (had a hole cut in another AC duct running in the false ceiling above) and within weeks an AC system for the room was installed. He knew what the lack of access to the machines was worth and now knew what a 95F room was like.

  164. Think this through... by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

    You're looking at about $1500 to add a portable AC to a room. That's about right. I'm guessing if you need supplemental air conditioning, you have around $100,000 worth of gear sitting in said room. Do you really want to cheap out on this? If the cheaped-out AC (if you're not sacrificing amount of cooling, you're sacrificing reliability) fails and burns up your gear, was the savings really worth it?

    If this seems high to you; you can often add a 1-ton HVAC for about $5000-$8000 providing you have space on the breaker panels. That's a much better permanent solution.

    This is one of the (many) reasons that people often end up colocating mission-critical gear. It costs you more to build your own server room than host it in a tier 4 datacenter for 3 years.

  165. For what it's worth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the answers I see here are not very helpful. We have a situation where we are in a multi-year lease and grew more than anticipated. Our server room is an inside room on the second floor of the 3 floor building. We are in a hot and humid climate. And lately, the landlord has started turning off the AC nights and weekends.

    Originally, we had additional cooling with a single Edgestar AC unit. This is a pretty good unit; does not produce water we have to get rid of and we pump the waste heat into the plenum. The only downside was that it doesn't handle power outages well; the electronic controls have no battery backup.

    Recently, we found the single unit could not handle the load so we added a second unit. This second unit is a disaster. Like the first unit, it doesn't produce water; however, it only operates at temperatures below 85 degrees. And this is by design! Above 85 degrees, it just blows air.

    I have no idea what we paid for the units.

  166. I once worked... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    for a company that had a very small server room (like 5 machines). It was basically a closet with a slim style air conditioner in it. It kept the room quite cool. It was similar to a Mr. Slim. I have a hunch it will cost more than $800 though.

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  167. server room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ductwork booster fans will circulate the cool air into the room even when the main a/c system is turned off. I suggest 2 of them one from each a/c system you referenced. $100 worth of 5" flex duct from home depot and 2 extension cords

  168. also.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For my customers, I put a temperature controlled fan in the server room. Cut a secure ventilation vent in the server room door (near the floor) and installed the fan (blowing out) near the ceiling. Put a temperature sensor (around 25C) to turn on. This should cost you max about 150USD.

  169. Water cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just thought I'd share a story (do not know if it's true, but it sure is a good story) about the computer enthusiasts' club at my University union.
    They raided an old abandoned building set for demolition, scrounging all the water radiators from the rooms. They arranged these in a grid covering the floor of their server room, interconnecting them with some sort of hoses or tubes. They then covered the grid with a latticework of wooden boards and put the servers on top of the boards. Finally, they connected one of the end tubes to a water tap and stuck the other one down a floor drain. A turn on the tap and they had passive water cooling in the entire room.
    Now, the university must have suspected they had a "leak" somewhere, but since they only had one water meter for the entire campus and since the throughput in that tap wasn't so big they never caught on until the club relocated.

    Of course, I won't suggest wasting water like this, but a similar setup only with a pump and some kind of external heat exchange would probably not be too hard to set up. Some others in the thread had a couple of ideas...

  170. They work fine here by name_already_taken · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I highly recommend against portable "evaporative" air conditioners that claim they don't need drainage. They're lying.

    It's more likely that there's something faulty in your installation, or some strange circumstance that's making them not work properly.

    We have a very small server room (really a large closet), and only about seven machines plus a couple of 3000VA UPS's in the room. We've been cooling it for four years now with a Haier portable A/C unit (yes, a cheap Chinese unit bought from Walmart.com) which evaporates the condensate and exhausts it via a short duct through the wall into the next room.

    There have been zero problems so far, and as a side benefit our lunch room stays nice and warm in winter. I have replaced the unit once, after three years of continuous operation just as a preventative measure (there was nothing wrong with it and it's still working at my in-laws' house). They cost under $300. We have to wash out the air filters about twice a year, otherwise the reduced airflow will make the evaporator freeze up solid, but that's the only maintenance it requires, and that's just a quick rinse of the filters in a sink.

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    1. Re:They work fine here by permaculture · · Score: 1

      name_already_taken wrote:
      > We've been cooling it for four years now with a Haier portable
      > A/C unit (yes, a cheap Chinese unit bought from Walmart.com)
      > which evaporates the condensate and exhausts it via a short
      > duct through the wall into the next room.

      If you haven't already. get it checked for legionella http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionella.

      The aircon units around here are checked regularly. It was worrying when one unit tested positive, but better than running it without knowing. The unit was replaced, of course.

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  171. Re:Turn off the servers(outsourced following move) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just had to add a comment to this one - which is at a tangent to the general discussion so I apologise.

    You weren't outsourced because you annoyed your bosses by stacking boxes in the corridor. The writing was very clearly on the wall from the moment you were moved to a building that had no provision for your service.

    Far from neglecting to account for your needs, you were scratched out of the grand plan months before you knew anything about it. It does, after all, take a little while to arrange an outsourcing deal. I should know.

    Seen in this light, had you wanted to hold on to some sort of job you were probably best off working twice as hard following the move. Rather than stacking oldware in the hallways.

    This sounds very critical of you and I'm sorry, it's not supposed to come over that way. After 7 years it must be very difficult to realise that your employer could literally not care any less about you. But at least you've learned that lesson now so you're ahead.

    GP.

  172. Typical big-shop bias by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    I can't believe the number of replies that tell this guy he's out of his mind asking this question with a $600 figure in it. Not every IT shop in the world is a large shop. Heck, there are loads of places that don't even have a clue what they've invested in IT, since they cobbled it together over a period of years.

    I just joined a midsized manufacturing firm because they want me to establish an IT department. They realized that they needed someone to deal with the technology who knows how to look at it long-term, but that doesn't mean that they can fund everything that needs to be done right away. If I were this guy (and I am, in some ways--see below), I would do whatever you can right now for $600, and let management know that it is only a bandaid. They need to be made to understand that not funding a proper solution is likely to cost them big dollars in gear replacement and downtime. Let them know how long it will take to purchase and deploy replacement gear, and ask them to estimate how much money they will lose due to that downtime. What they would lose will likely be far more than you will need for any solution.

    The place where I'm working doesn't have a dedicated server room. The twin racks are standing in the corner of a long high-wall office space that designed to house two employees. It's only indirectly air conditioned, and the gear throws off so much heat that you can feel it from three feet away. The fan noise is so loud that the office staff tend to close the door to the room (cutting off the air flow). They have the rack fans venting into the attic, but the attic has no outside vents (tin roof, no openings, because they had too many problems with leaks in the past), so the attic can only take on so much vented air. Much of it escapes back into the room, since the vent hood does not seal on top of the rack.

    There are three 1U PowerEdge servers, a 48-port switch that is nearly maxed out, an 24 port switch for the servers, home runs, and a few key workstations, and a legacy switch of unknown use (it predates the guys who kept the network running before I got there, and nothing is labeled). There are also two mid-tower servers, two LCD displays (thankfully, no CRTs!), a KVM, and the requisite UPS units. They didn't mount all of the gear properly, so the three switches are basically stacked on the bottom shelf of one rack, and all of the 1U servers are right on top of each other, too. Segments of the network have gone down numerous times since I started, and most instances appear tied to heat.

    No brainer, you say. Just have them build a proper enclosure, you say. I've been working that angle for three months. I have one officer who wants all the servers in the attic (where the ambient temperaturs is already around 35C/95F) where they have the telelcomm gear and our firewall (they warned me that the voicemail system needs to be rebooted periodically, especially on hot, sunny days). I have another officer who wants to relocate the whole lot into non-heated and non-cooled area of the building that shows signs of significant rodent traffic. I'm sure the servers would be just the kinds of vacation spot the mice would love. Their cash flows are significant, and they're even building a new shop and office addition, but they didn't plan for any IT expense in the process. I tried to get a single high-wall office in the new office space, but no dice.

    Fortunately, my directly up-line has been willing to listen and is starting to understand how critical this issue is. We have an ERP program installed, and when the network goes down almost nothing can get done (apart from what was already in the pipeline). He's starting to realize that, though they are paying me good money, I'm losing most of my time to issues that would be non-issues if they front some money now. This thread came at a perfect time for me, since I'm stil trying to figure out what type of cooling system to pitch as part of my current proposal--one that is getting some traction--to build me a double

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  173. Cost Effective is the key. by SharkPork · · Score: 1

    Cost Effective.. As in, how much will the cost be if your server hardware takes a dump, and you have to put all new hardware in, restore from backup, and be losing money during the down time?

    I work for a newspaper, one of the absolutely skinflintiest, most penny-pinching companies I've seen in my life. When they built the new building about 5 years ago, I asked them to include climate control for the server room. "We'll deal with that next year, it's not in the budget this year." was their reply. So, the server room, which at the time only had two rack-mounted servers and a Unix box inside, got up to about 80F routinely. I begged, pleaded, and pestered them until they actually did something. Chopped a hole in the wall, and stuck in an old window-mount, venting to the inside of the inserting/packaging/warehouse area. This was able to get the temperature down to about 70F, and hold it there. With the addition of two more servers, though, the temp got up to about 78-80F. And, this was in the winter. As soon as spring came around, the tempereatures started to climb, up to about 85-90F, and with the upcoming addition of four to six more servers, it was way too hot.

    We took the plunge, and I was able to actually get them to install, as a Capital project, rather than regular expenses, a Mitsubishi Mr. Slim remote unit. Wall-mounted, with external condenser, etc...
    This did require the running of a 220V circuit, but the cost was just under USD$10,000.00. Considering that there are nine servers in there, with a few more on the way, and each one costs about 5 grand, plus some software, and plus the downtime and such, it was VERY much worth the cost, especially since we'll be able to add more servers in the future and still have plenty of growth room. Plus, the servers and hard drives should last longer too, since their lifespan won't be affected by high temperatures. I'm able to keep it at about 63F right now, measured on the wall farthest away from the A/C unit, behind the servers. Just walking back there, you can feel a massive amount of heat being thrown off.

    Seriously, don't cheap out on cooling your hardware. In the long run, you will regret it if you do.
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  174. Not failsafe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if you suddenly stop being able to remove the hot air? Your servers will be cooked inside their airtight racks.

    1. Re:Not failsafe! by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      What if you suddenly stop being able to remove the hot air? Your servers will be cooked inside their airtight racks.

      So use multiple redundant exhaust fans.

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  175. Let'em burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like your business is playing the cheap card. You really need a qualified HVAC contractor with experience and references in datacenter design that can do a site analysis (trust me, it's more complicated than it looks.) If your business/manager thinks it too expensive or just doesn't think it's worth it, make sure you document your concerns and your request and then just let the servers bake. Sooner or later the servers and equipment will just start to fail due to heat loading and after a few good sized repair bills, maybe they'll get the hint that doing nothing or worse yet something stupid is more expensive than doing it right.

  176. Water cooling OK for up to about 1-2 racks by WyrdOne · · Score: 1

    I setup a watercooled system for a small business once.

    We created a custom setup for an HP Rack Cabinet using 3" PVC with 3/4" leads off off into each server, then 3/4" leads back out to another 3" PVC, which ran to a 30 gallon resivour before running outside to a set of 3 heat exchangers we were able to get for cheap via surplus. Each heat exchanger had 3/4" piping and a seperate pump and fan assembly. (about the size of a house heat pump exchanger.)

    We programmed a PIC to monitor water temps and switch on the heat exchanger pumps and fans depending on load, with a minimum of one running all the time.

    During the summer all 3 would run at peak, and during the winter only one would be on.

    In VA the summer temps never peak above 95'F. I think the highest they have ever recorded on the hot-side temp sensor was 100'F (and 5'F rise over ambient for a whole server rack is not bad).

    It was a lot of fun to build, but for an enterprise setup, a raised floor datacenter with proper Leibert cooling systems is the way to go. I would say more than two racks and your talking at the very least an industrial AC system w/ humidity controls (too dry == bad).

  177. Water Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've heard water cooling is up to 80% more effective than air cooling. You may want to consider a closed solution. It could lower your server exhaust temperature into the range that doesn't require any A/C changes at all.

    Another inexpensive approach is to extend the vent via pvc etc. to extend directly to the server intake, but YMMV based on your actual setup.

  178. Solar Powered Servers by MaryBethP · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure about the AC, but folks at Planetmind run their servers on solar power. Perhaps this could free up some of your funds to put toward AC. http://www.planetmind.net/

  179. Split mini system. Cost effective != cheap install by dkt5 · · Score: 1

    We had a similar problem. In the long term you need to look at efficiency vs. installation cost.

    Running one (or two) large units constantly just for a server room is in the long term quite expensive depending on where you live and how much the cost of electricity goes up. Unless you are in a facility that is staffed 24/7 (and I suspect you are not) there is no reason to do this.

    For between $1800 and $3400 you can have a "mini split" system installed which will cool only one room, on its own thermostat and be completely self contained. It can be installed with a small pump to dump moisture out close to the external unit. With a cooling (compressor on) current of 9-10 amps, and 12000Btu of cooling, we are able to keep our (admittedly small) server room at around 65F, which gives more than enough response time for a unit malfunction before the temperature reaches critical levels.

  180. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have a very small server room, maybe a little bigger than a walk-in closet. We have about 4 big box fans directing air into, and then out of the room. It doesn't keep the room "COOL" but it does prevent the stagnant hot air from expanding the HDDs :)

  181. What we did... by sirgoran · · Score: 1

    While not the best solution we used a standard window mount unit that you would find in your home.

    We had some serious reconstruction work being done to out server room and during that our regular AC unit was taken offline so as not to clog it up with Construction dust. The unit mounted in a hole in the wall with the back end facing out into the Cube farm. While we as the tech group had to deal with the added heat from the AC unit in our office area, the Server Room stayed nice and cold. As for any water that was collected, that was resolved with two 5-gallon buckets. One that was empty and one that the water drained into. In an average 8-hour shift there was only about a quart of water in the bucket. Dumping the bucket each morning wasn't a problem since it was a short walk to the breakroom sink. The extra bucket simply took its place under the drain while you dumped the other.

    This might be a quick fix for you, but then you also then have to deal with the security of having the wall unit. Since our cube farm was an internal office space accessed by key-card, the only folks that would have ready access would be the ones that worked on the boxen in the first place. So for us, the security issue was very small.

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  182. We did it for less... by Da_Big_G · · Score: 1

    We had a similar problem... the computer room is in the middle of our 6-room 1200 sq ft office, no windows, one ac duct on with the rest of the office. That rooms 8.5' by 12' (about 100 sq ft) with 9.5' ceilings. We now have 15 servers (mostly mid-range pc's but a few 8-core xeon boxes) running full time in there.

    The solution came in several parts... first was to move any critical/primary stuff to our offsite servers and use the in-house boxes for backup and local-only stuff. We already had a cab at internap with some spare room.

    Next we got a couple ceiling panels (its a false ceiling like in most office bldgs) that have a plastic grid for airflow instead of the usual cardboard foamy stuff.

    We got rid of the nice locked, enclosed cabinets and got breadracks to increase airflow, and put two cheapy ($15) home depot oscillating fans in there.

    If things get warm in the summer (i.e. today) we leave the door open for a bit and it cools down quickly. We're considering adding an exhaust fan/vent in the wall or ceiling, but since there's no exterior wall it's a pain, plus we'd have to deal with the landlord.

    We probably only spent $100 and a day of labor, and it's "good enough."

  183. Remove the heat by jhutchins · · Score: 1

    Your goal is not to pump more cold air into the room, your goal is to remove the heat. More than one computer room has sized on the simple expedient of cutting a hole in a ceiling tile and lying a box fan on it, blowing up.

    Make a good hot-air removal system and your existing cooling should work fine. Whatever system you use will have a point of failure.

  184. blows out warm air, but new air comes in by egghat · · Score: 1

    Blowing out warm air doen't create a vaccuum. If the rest of the building is warm, new warm air flows in. If the rest of the building is cool, well cool air flows in.

    The big problem: The effect of these a/c units are nearly equal to a ventilator. That's why those split a/c are the way to go. These transport the heat via some kind of liquid but do not move air to the outside.

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  185. Re:Use some cooler servers- and Run Hot by hyperventilate · · Score: 1

    RIGHT!
    Also, don't panic. Monitor your disk temperature but don't assume they will fail more often at 30C. Based on LOTS of data, Google published a paper that shows that disk temperature has to be right up to the rated max temp before any extra chance of failure appears.