Thanks! You've got to wonder if this is myopia on Google's part. Even ignoring concepts like windows, there are legitimate reasons why a device might report a display size change, for example if it's plugged into a larger touchscreen (I know there's at least one phone out there that has a "tablet" that it slots into.)
It's all the more peculiar given Android's default behavior with screen orientation changes is to restart the part of the app dealing with the screen (which annoys many developers no end because most initially write an app structured so the whole thing restarts because it all handles the screen.) Given a complete reset of the UI, why the hell would it matter that the screen size has changed?
Plus... not liking the idea that devices can only list official screen sizes to apps.
This is also the kind of decision that ties the hands of OS developers in the future. If apps can rely upon the screen size always being the same, then isn't there a risk they'll do so?
Maybe the supposed merger of ChromeOS and Android will lead them to... well, if not change their mind, then come up with a workaround.
Who do you work for? Apple? Google? Just curious, you seem to be very keen on calling me a "shill" despite my history of (usually modded down) criticism of Windows 10, some of which is even in the message this posted. Yes, I'm sure I'm being paid by Microsoft for posting that Windows 10 is shitty, bug ridden, and unresponsive, in virtually every thread where it's relevant. Hey, Microsoft, where's my fucking cash? Did you give it to Ol Olsoc? If so, can you tell him to give me my money?
I haven't called anyone a liar yet, but I'm getting close. The responses I'm getting to my original comment are simply impossible: as I've said, I've actually run the installer twice. It asks questions before installation. There's no way in hell to get around that. The questions are asked. The installer waits.
So whatever it is that supposedly happened to those claiming Windows 10 installed all by themselves, it wasn't anything to do with the standard GWX installer. Maybe it was people yessing dialog boxes to death and then claiming "It installed all by itself" once they realized that, oops, maybe they shouldn't have. Or, as I said, perhaps some jerk in the same office was playing a practical joke.
Or yeah, maybe Microsoft released two versions of the installer, a special superdooper automated one that actually controls the mouse and has it click its own buttons that is installed only on, like, ten machines out there, and a different one for every other Windows user in the world.
Because that conspiracy theory makes way more sense than "A user fucked up or had a joke played on them."
Oh, like the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if they downloaded 12 GB (or however much it is) without asking the user?
It's nowhere near 12Gb, but yes, there's a world of difference between using up more disk space and actually replacing their current relatively light weight operating system that runs the applications they have installed with one likely to fail at many applications that requires oodles more memory. In other words, rendering many, many, computers unusable for the purpose with which they're used.
But keep telling yourself that there is a ghost that is floating to peoples' computers and maliciously installing operating systems on them.
That's your position, not mine, except you've called the Ghost Microsoft. I have no idea who installed Windows 10 on your co-workers PC, but I know that someone did and you've decided - rather than using Occam's Razor - to instead blame Microsoft because Microsoft sucks, right?
You don't seem to be bothered with the facts here. You've apparently never installed Windows 10, and thus are blissfully unaware that it asks questions before it starts installing.
I have run it. I actually know what I'm talking about. Between the legal situation and actual experience, I know your interpretation of events is utterly absurd.
I'll await that video, thanks. Just an FYI: it'll never come.
Sure, I'm not asking because I disbelieve you (this is something people have been peeved at Google for a while over) but because it'd be interesting to know more.
Ctrl+X and Ctrl+V on a Bluetooth keyboard work well in Android on my Nexus 7 (2012) tablet. The most painful part of copying text around is selecting it with a finger, but a mouse solves that.
Unfortunately it's the selection I'm talking about. The review says for some apps you have to do exactly the same thing with the mouse that you'd have to do with a touchscreen, ie long touch and then adjust the little circle things on either side of the selection. Urgh.
By "closing" do you mean "cloning"? If so, how else would a non-full-screen version of the Android app launcher look?
Yes, cloning.
You need to look at the screenshots in the review, because I suspect you think I meant "Cloning Windows" or "Cloning a generic desktop OS". I really meant cloning Windows 10. It looks identical, with the exception of the Start button which is their logo rather than Windows. Same buttons. Same notification system. etc.
I'd imagine if Google ever does a similar OS (which they might, there have been rumors about Android for ChromeBooks for a long time), they'll use the ChromeOS UI as their guide to how a desktop should look like, not Windows 10.
"Your" experience is second hand, and appears to be someone playing a practical joke upon a co-worker. The "reports of several people" seems dubious too.
I have my own direct experience of how the install works, I've done it twice. Given actual, first hand, experience of three machines - two installed, one not - given the fact millions of people would be protesting if there had ever been a period whereby Windows 10 "installed itself" without bringing up a single cancellable dialog, and given the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if it ever tried to pull this stunt, I would seriously advice you to locate the practical joker in your office.
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I've been through the upgrade process twice now. I also have a PC that Microsoft was pestering me for a long time to upgrade. It's simply not true that you can go ahead and install Windows 10 without user intervention. (Additionally, how do you "accidentally download" something that's already downloaded? That's a major complaint most of us have about GWX, it downloads Windows 10 without asking us, filling up around 5Gb of our disks.)
This is going to be fucking annoying, no question about it, as you'll be hit with dialogs assuming you want to install. But there's next to no chance you'll accidentally install Windows 10. There are too many things you need to confirm before the install starts for that to happen. Plus, there's an "Undo" option in Windows 10 itself that lets you revert.
It's still mindboggling stupid of Microsoft to do this, especially with the half-finished bug-ridden unresponsive crap that is Windows 10 in its current form, but no, "accidentally installing Windows 10" is just about impossible. Even the computer illiterate are going to know this is what they're doing, even if they don't necessarily know the full ramifications.
The Remix OS apparently does actually run most apps in windows (with the option to full screen an app if wanted.) According to the review most apps work OK with this, some are a little glitchy (like having widgets out of reach), and one - ironically Hangouts (an IM app - exactly the kind of thing you want to have in a small window) - didn't work at all.
To be honest, I think the maximize/windowed part of the system is the issue I'm least concerned about. I'm more bothered about how horrendous typical desktop features like cut-and-paste seem to be when translated to mobile and then back again via Android.
Also why the f--- are they closing Windows 10? The utter lack of imagination the F/OSS community can have on occasion is staggering.
I believe most distributions come with a decent GUI that overlays over APT, I'm not sure the Play Store actually adds that much value in practice.
(Perhaps it should become standard though that ".deb" files downloaded independently aren't installable unless you check a box in a GUI somewhere, in a similar fashion to Android's treatment of.apks)
It's only so that Google can select more appropriate ads for you, depending on your sugar level. Do you really want ads for doughnuts when your sugar level is already high?;-)
There is no law of nature preventing bananas from being cultivated in a different way
Well, there kind of is. It's possible that some strain will eventually have edible, soft, pleasant seeds, but right now a non-sterile banana is packed with seeds that makes it hard to eat and far less of a useful fruit.
Bananas are produced industrially for the same reason iPhones and Testla Model Ses are. There's no other way, yet demonstrated, to produce a practical product. But I guess there's always 3D printing, the answer to everything...
It's generally easier to cut and paste apt-get commands than cut and paste a GUI session with the Ubuntu App Store (or whatever it's called these days), there's nothing wrong with doing so and it's a failing of other operating systems that you can't do an equivalent in them, not a failing of Debian et al that you have that option.
Yes, I have been known to change tabs, enter URLs, search for things, and add/remove/visit bookmarks, and as a developer I've had to make heavy use of the developer tools (which have been improving in Firefox, admittedly.)
I've also, not necessarily once a day, but maybe a couple times a week done things like enable/disable add-ons and plug-ins, change proxy settings, and so on.
But people today don't use Firefox because they like it. In fact, many people are quite vocal about how much they dislike the direction that Firefox has taken.
I think you have it the other way around. People do use Firefox because they like it, and people are complaining and leaving Firefox because Mozilla keeps changing it away from the browser they like. Nobody has to use Firefox, and pretty much the only people who do use it because it's the browser that's closest to Firefox 3.x in UI and functionality (if you customize it.)
Edge isn't going to change that. Edge is not Firefox 3.x, it's not meant to be, and it'll probably never look like that. Firefox will probably disappear into irrelevance within the next two years, but that's 100% on Mozilla, and 0% on any open source initiatives Microsoft might have.
I'm guessing they make a movie, license it to Netflix, and then use bots with stolen Netflix account credentials to pump up the viewing figures, and thus royalties.
The point is that the universe is (d)D, but looks (d)D because of the way information is encoded. Or something. A genuine physicist can probably explain it more accurately (I'm 100% sure I've made at least one error above) and clearly than I can though
Uh, correction...
The point is that the universe is (d-1)D, but looks (d)D because of the way information is encoded. Or something. A genuine physicist can probably explain it more accurately (I'm 100% sure I've made at least two errors above) and clearly than I can though
About 75% of the non-troll comments I've seen here think that this is about the theory we're all in the Matrix, or some variant.
That's not what Holographic Theory is about. Now, I'm not a physicist and I suck at explaining things anyway, so I don't want to get too far into it, but essentially the holographic theory is that there are fewer "real" dimensions than is apparent (like a hologram is a flat sheet of paper that appears to be 3D.)
The name is based upon the behavior of paper holograms - like the one on your credit card. Holograms themselves are able to appear 3D by using natural interference patterns and resonance to ensure that, looked at from different angles, they transmit different images. Well, that's kinda the direction you need to go in to understand the Holographic Universe theory, rather than attempts to build 3D images in space to make a virtual universe look real (as in "Holodeck")
The point is that the universe is (d)D, but looks (d)D because of the way information is encoded. Or something. A genuine physicist can probably explain it more accurately (I'm 100% sure I've made at least one error above) and clearly than I can though. So... uh, does Phil Plait or Neil Degrasse Tyson read Slashdot?
The phone you bought in 1999 supported one frequency. The phone you bought in 2005, ten years ago (ten years ago as in "Cellphones Really Are Not As Good As They Were 10 Years Ago At Making Calls") supported at least two bands, including one around 800-900MHz, and one around 1800-1900MHz, and may even have been Tri-band or Quad Band (it probably was at least Tri-band, I remember back then only the cheapest were dual band.)
So Antenna use hasn't changed much over the period in question, even if it might have changed since 1995.
Yes, but AMPS has not been the only mobile phone system in the US now for more than 20 years. Virtually all phones in the US have had to support frequencies close to 2GHz since the late 1990s.
Frequencies have barely changed. In 1999, European cellphones topped out at 1.8GHz, and US at 1.9GHz. In 2015, both are now at 2.1GHz, barely 10% higher. So that's not it.
To maintain the economics of US society, it would become mandatory to work until you are 85 or 90 years old.
Why stop at 90? Eternal life means eternal life, you're not going to get to a stopping point.
What pisses me off BTW is that this treatment will end up being mandatory. You're not going to get a choice, because if you refuse it it means you must want to die, and that - according to psychiatrists - means you're mentally ill.
I cannot imagine a greater hell than having to live forever. And yeah, I'm aware a huge number of people will go "Hey, what?!" in disbelief - I recall a Jehovah's witness collegue of mine telling me how he planned to live forever because of some wierd trick (heh) his religion allows him, and him being in utter shock when I said it sounds horrible, but... life should end. It should end peacefully and, within reason, predictably. I don't want to live forever. Let me die.
We've all known the oversensitive female employee that sucks the life out of a room because they take offense at everything. Or, if we haven't, we haven't worked with very many women
I've worked with a lot of women and never had that. Did work with a male Jehovah's Witness though, nice guy, but we had to be careful around him about the subjects we broached.
If you're finding more than one woman, for anything other than religious reasons, is "over-sensitive", perhaps... perhaps she's not the problem. You see, a lot of women actually avoid speaking up about things that make them uncomfortable, for fear of making things worse. And I wonder whether or not the companies you're comfortable working for create atmospheres that are hostile enough for women that some snap, in your presence, and refuse to bottle it up.
For all the faults of the companies I've worked for the longest, the men working at each has generally known (for the most part) when certain topics are appropriate in a professional setting, and when they're not. But I've heard enough stories to know that a sizeable number of workplaces are full of juvenile, sex-obsessed, manchildren who wouldn't know professionalism if it walked up to them in a suit and signed a contract.
If those are the companies you've worked for, don't get too comfortable.
While I wouldn't defend what happened to Hunt - losing your job over something that didn't constitute actual harassment or evidence of active discrimination is 100% wrong - you and the person AmiMojo responded to are playing fast and loose with what actually happened and how it differs from ESR's outrageous and dangerous allegation.
Hunt lost a single honorary title at a single educational institution. It wasn't a job. It didn't affect his ability to research cancer or in any other way prevent him from working. The witchhunt from certain over-enthusiastic anti-sexism groups was inappropriate, but it was widely seen as such and it's hard to believe Hunt's reputation was damaged in any serious way.
ESR, on the other hand, is accusing "Feminists" of a plot to spread false rape allegations against a major figure in the OSS community because... he doesn't come up with a coherent reason. He doesn't explain how feminists would be in favor of false allegations, given that distrust of rape victims is actually the number one concern feminists give when protesting about how society deals with rape and deters rapists.
ESR's views aren't simply inappropriate and not justified by the poor treatment of Hunt, they're dispicable. He is intentionally sowing distrust against victims of a hideous crime in order to spite feminists and Feminism.
Add to that his recent tirade demanding that people be forced out of FOSS if they express concerns that harassment is driving out talented women, and you're looking at someone who is doing some extremely obnoxious things right now that have nothing to do with the poor treatment of people like Tim Hunt, the victims of Donglegate, or even Pax Dickinson.
Raising Tim Hunt right now shows a tribal mentality, an unwillingness to deal with problems simply because some the people raising them are people who aren't nice either, or an inappropriate desire to align yourself with scumbags because they're enemies of perceived enemies.
Think it through. Tim Hunt's poor treatment at the hands of some feminists does not mean rape allegations should be ignored, and it certainly doesn't mean contributors to open source who feel women are poorly treated here should be thrown out.
Heh, that almost happened with Commodore, with the successful UK arm scraping the cash together for a buy-out of the loss making US-based corporation in '93 (or whenever it was they went bust for the last time), only for Escom to overstretch itself and sweep in at the last minute, killing any chance C= would have survived as we knew it.
*sigh*
So really what they mean is they're selling off the non-JP arm?
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Thanks! You've got to wonder if this is myopia on Google's part. Even ignoring concepts like windows, there are legitimate reasons why a device might report a display size change, for example if it's plugged into a larger touchscreen (I know there's at least one phone out there that has a "tablet" that it slots into.)
It's all the more peculiar given Android's default behavior with screen orientation changes is to restart the part of the app dealing with the screen (which annoys many developers no end because most initially write an app structured so the whole thing restarts because it all handles the screen.) Given a complete reset of the UI, why the hell would it matter that the screen size has changed?
Plus... not liking the idea that devices can only list official screen sizes to apps.
This is also the kind of decision that ties the hands of OS developers in the future. If apps can rely upon the screen size always being the same, then isn't there a risk they'll do so?
Maybe the supposed merger of ChromeOS and Android will lead them to... well, if not change their mind, then come up with a workaround.
Who do you work for? Apple? Google? Just curious, you seem to be very keen on calling me a "shill" despite my history of (usually modded down) criticism of Windows 10, some of which is even in the message this posted. Yes, I'm sure I'm being paid by Microsoft for posting that Windows 10 is shitty, bug ridden, and unresponsive, in virtually every thread where it's relevant. Hey, Microsoft, where's my fucking cash? Did you give it to Ol Olsoc? If so, can you tell him to give me my money?
I haven't called anyone a liar yet, but I'm getting close. The responses I'm getting to my original comment are simply impossible: as I've said, I've actually run the installer twice. It asks questions before installation. There's no way in hell to get around that. The questions are asked. The installer waits.
So whatever it is that supposedly happened to those claiming Windows 10 installed all by themselves, it wasn't anything to do with the standard GWX installer. Maybe it was people yessing dialog boxes to death and then claiming "It installed all by itself" once they realized that, oops, maybe they shouldn't have. Or, as I said, perhaps some jerk in the same office was playing a practical joke.
Or yeah, maybe Microsoft released two versions of the installer, a special superdooper automated one that actually controls the mouse and has it click its own buttons that is installed only on, like, ten machines out there, and a different one for every other Windows user in the world.
Because that conspiracy theory makes way more sense than "A user fucked up or had a joke played on them."
It's nowhere near 12Gb, but yes, there's a world of difference between using up more disk space and actually replacing their current relatively light weight operating system that runs the applications they have installed with one likely to fail at many applications that requires oodles more memory. In other words, rendering many, many, computers unusable for the purpose with which they're used.
That's your position, not mine, except you've called the Ghost Microsoft. I have no idea who installed Windows 10 on your co-workers PC, but I know that someone did and you've decided - rather than using Occam's Razor - to instead blame Microsoft because Microsoft sucks, right?
You don't seem to be bothered with the facts here. You've apparently never installed Windows 10, and thus are blissfully unaware that it asks questions before it starts installing.
I have run it. I actually know what I'm talking about. Between the legal situation and actual experience, I know your interpretation of events is utterly absurd.
I'll await that video, thanks. Just an FYI: it'll never come.
Sure, I'm not asking because I disbelieve you (this is something people have been peeved at Google for a while over) but because it'd be interesting to know more.
Unfortunately it's the selection I'm talking about. The review says for some apps you have to do exactly the same thing with the mouse that you'd have to do with a touchscreen, ie long touch and then adjust the little circle things on either side of the selection. Urgh.
Yes, cloning.
You need to look at the screenshots in the review, because I suspect you think I meant "Cloning Windows" or "Cloning a generic desktop OS". I really meant cloning Windows 10 . It looks identical, with the exception of the Start button which is their logo rather than Windows. Same buttons. Same notification system. etc.
I'd imagine if Google ever does a similar OS (which they might, there have been rumors about Android for ChromeBooks for a long time), they'll use the ChromeOS UI as their guide to how a desktop should look like, not Windows 10.
"Your" experience is second hand, and appears to be someone playing a practical joke upon a co-worker. The "reports of several people" seems dubious too.
I have my own direct experience of how the install works, I've done it twice. Given actual, first hand, experience of three machines - two installed, one not - given the fact millions of people would be protesting if there had ever been a period whereby Windows 10 "installed itself" without bringing up a single cancellable dialog, and given the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if it ever tried to pull this stunt, I would seriously advice you to locate the practical joker in your office.
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I've been through the upgrade process twice now. I also have a PC that Microsoft was pestering me for a long time to upgrade. It's simply not true that you can go ahead and install Windows 10 without user intervention. (Additionally, how do you "accidentally download" something that's already downloaded? That's a major complaint most of us have about GWX, it downloads Windows 10 without asking us, filling up around 5Gb of our disks.)
This is going to be fucking annoying, no question about it, as you'll be hit with dialogs assuming you want to install. But there's next to no chance you'll accidentally install Windows 10. There are too many things you need to confirm before the install starts for that to happen. Plus, there's an "Undo" option in Windows 10 itself that lets you revert.
It's still mindboggling stupid of Microsoft to do this, especially with the half-finished bug-ridden unresponsive crap that is Windows 10 in its current form, but no, "accidentally installing Windows 10" is just about impossible. Even the computer illiterate are going to know this is what they're doing, even if they don't necessarily know the full ramifications.
The Remix OS apparently does actually run most apps in windows (with the option to full screen an app if wanted.) According to the review most apps work OK with this, some are a little glitchy (like having widgets out of reach), and one - ironically Hangouts (an IM app - exactly the kind of thing you want to have in a small window) - didn't work at all.
To be honest, I think the maximize/windowed part of the system is the issue I'm least concerned about. I'm more bothered about how horrendous typical desktop features like cut-and-paste seem to be when translated to mobile and then back again via Android.
Also why the f--- are they closing Windows 10? The utter lack of imagination the F/OSS community can have on occasion is staggering.
I believe most distributions come with a decent GUI that overlays over APT, I'm not sure the Play Store actually adds that much value in practice.
(Perhaps it should become standard though that ".deb" files downloaded independently aren't installable unless you check a box in a GUI somewhere, in a similar fashion to Android's treatment of .apks)
It's only so that Google can select more appropriate ads for you, depending on your sugar level. Do you really want ads for doughnuts when your sugar level is already high? ;-)
Well, there kind of is. It's possible that some strain will eventually have edible, soft, pleasant seeds, but right now a non-sterile banana is packed with seeds that makes it hard to eat and far less of a useful fruit.
Bananas are produced industrially for the same reason iPhones and Testla Model Ses are. There's no other way, yet demonstrated, to produce a practical product. But I guess there's always 3D printing, the answer to everything...
It's generally easier to cut and paste apt-get commands than cut and paste a GUI session with the Ubuntu App Store (or whatever it's called these days), there's nothing wrong with doing so and it's a failing of other operating systems that you can't do an equivalent in them, not a failing of Debian et al that you have that option.
Yes, I have been known to change tabs, enter URLs, search for things, and add/remove/visit bookmarks, and as a developer I've had to make heavy use of the developer tools (which have been improving in Firefox, admittedly.)
I've also, not necessarily once a day, but maybe a couple times a week done things like enable/disable add-ons and plug-ins, change proxy settings, and so on.
I think you have it the other way around. People do use Firefox because they like it, and people are complaining and leaving Firefox because Mozilla keeps changing it away from the browser they like. Nobody has to use Firefox, and pretty much the only people who do use it because it's the browser that's closest to Firefox 3.x in UI and functionality (if you customize it.)
Edge isn't going to change that. Edge is not Firefox 3.x, it's not meant to be, and it'll probably never look like that. Firefox will probably disappear into irrelevance within the next two years, but that's 100% on Mozilla, and 0% on any open source initiatives Microsoft might have.
I'm guessing they make a movie, license it to Netflix, and then use bots with stolen Netflix account credentials to pump up the viewing figures, and thus royalties.
It's foolproof I tell you!
Uh, correction...
The point is that the universe is (d-1)D, but looks (d)D because of the way information is encoded. Or something. A genuine physicist can probably explain it more accurately (I'm 100% sure I've made at least two errors above) and clearly than I can though
About 75% of the non-troll comments I've seen here think that this is about the theory we're all in the Matrix, or some variant.
That's not what Holographic Theory is about. Now, I'm not a physicist and I suck at explaining things anyway, so I don't want to get too far into it, but essentially the holographic theory is that there are fewer "real" dimensions than is apparent (like a hologram is a flat sheet of paper that appears to be 3D.)
The name is based upon the behavior of paper holograms - like the one on your credit card. Holograms themselves are able to appear 3D by using natural interference patterns and resonance to ensure that, looked at from different angles, they transmit different images. Well, that's kinda the direction you need to go in to understand the Holographic Universe theory, rather than attempts to build 3D images in space to make a virtual universe look real (as in "Holodeck")
The point is that the universe is (d)D, but looks (d)D because of the way information is encoded. Or something. A genuine physicist can probably explain it more accurately (I'm 100% sure I've made at least one error above) and clearly than I can though. So... uh, does Phil Plait or Neil Degrasse Tyson read Slashdot?
The phone you bought in 1999 supported one frequency. The phone you bought in 2005, ten years ago (ten years ago as in "Cellphones Really Are Not As Good As They Were 10 Years Ago At Making Calls") supported at least two bands, including one around 800-900MHz, and one around 1800-1900MHz, and may even have been Tri-band or Quad Band (it probably was at least Tri-band, I remember back then only the cheapest were dual band.)
So Antenna use hasn't changed much over the period in question, even if it might have changed since 1995.
Yes, but AMPS has not been the only mobile phone system in the US now for more than 20 years. Virtually all phones in the US have had to support frequencies close to 2GHz since the late 1990s.
Frequencies have barely changed. In 1999, European cellphones topped out at 1.8GHz, and US at 1.9GHz. In 2015, both are now at 2.1GHz, barely 10% higher. So that's not it.
Why stop at 90? Eternal life means eternal life, you're not going to get to a stopping point.
What pisses me off BTW is that this treatment will end up being mandatory. You're not going to get a choice, because if you refuse it it means you must want to die, and that - according to psychiatrists - means you're mentally ill.
I cannot imagine a greater hell than having to live forever. And yeah, I'm aware a huge number of people will go "Hey, what?!" in disbelief - I recall a Jehovah's witness collegue of mine telling me how he planned to live forever because of some wierd trick (heh) his religion allows him, and him being in utter shock when I said it sounds horrible, but... life should end. It should end peacefully and, within reason, predictably. I don't want to live forever. Let me die.
I've worked with a lot of women and never had that. Did work with a male Jehovah's Witness though, nice guy, but we had to be careful around him about the subjects we broached.
If you're finding more than one woman, for anything other than religious reasons, is "over-sensitive", perhaps... perhaps she's not the problem. You see, a lot of women actually avoid speaking up about things that make them uncomfortable, for fear of making things worse. And I wonder whether or not the companies you're comfortable working for create atmospheres that are hostile enough for women that some snap, in your presence, and refuse to bottle it up.
For all the faults of the companies I've worked for the longest, the men working at each has generally known (for the most part) when certain topics are appropriate in a professional setting, and when they're not. But I've heard enough stories to know that a sizeable number of workplaces are full of juvenile, sex-obsessed, manchildren who wouldn't know professionalism if it walked up to them in a suit and signed a contract.
If those are the companies you've worked for, don't get too comfortable.
While I wouldn't defend what happened to Hunt - losing your job over something that didn't constitute actual harassment or evidence of active discrimination is 100% wrong - you and the person AmiMojo responded to are playing fast and loose with what actually happened and how it differs from ESR's outrageous and dangerous allegation.
Hunt lost a single honorary title at a single educational institution. It wasn't a job. It didn't affect his ability to research cancer or in any other way prevent him from working. The witchhunt from certain over-enthusiastic anti-sexism groups was inappropriate, but it was widely seen as such and it's hard to believe Hunt's reputation was damaged in any serious way.
ESR, on the other hand, is accusing "Feminists" of a plot to spread false rape allegations against a major figure in the OSS community because... he doesn't come up with a coherent reason. He doesn't explain how feminists would be in favor of false allegations, given that distrust of rape victims is actually the number one concern feminists give when protesting about how society deals with rape and deters rapists.
ESR's views aren't simply inappropriate and not justified by the poor treatment of Hunt, they're dispicable. He is intentionally sowing distrust against victims of a hideous crime in order to spite feminists and Feminism.
Add to that his recent tirade demanding that people be forced out of FOSS if they express concerns that harassment is driving out talented women, and you're looking at someone who is doing some extremely obnoxious things right now that have nothing to do with the poor treatment of people like Tim Hunt, the victims of Donglegate, or even Pax Dickinson.
Raising Tim Hunt right now shows a tribal mentality, an unwillingness to deal with problems simply because some the people raising them are people who aren't nice either, or an inappropriate desire to align yourself with scumbags because they're enemies of perceived enemies.
Think it through. Tim Hunt's poor treatment at the hands of some feminists does not mean rape allegations should be ignored, and it certainly doesn't mean contributors to open source who feel women are poorly treated here should be thrown out.
Heh, that almost happened with Commodore, with the successful UK arm scraping the cash together for a buy-out of the loss making US-based corporation in '93 (or whenever it was they went bust for the last time), only for Escom to overstretch itself and sweep in at the last minute, killing any chance C= would have survived as we knew it.
*sigh*
So really what they mean is they're selling off the non-JP arm?